Dude I once saw a line of pricey houses situated on a cliff that was
obviously going to crumble sometime in the next 40 years.

On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:54:20 -0600, David Johnston
<davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dude I once saw a line of pricey houses situated on a cliff that was
>obviously going to crumble sometime in the next 40 years.

Once? It seems like we get posts of those sorts of homes falling into
the water every couple of years. Admittedly the people likely can
afford it and had some pricey insurance on the home. Still it has to
hurt to lose a home and all the possessions inside.

In <r6207ihm34a5cftuad0dgqo5ioaj18m15p@4ax.com> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> writes:

>On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:54:20 -0600, David Johnston
><davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>Dude I once saw a line of pricey houses situated on a cliff that was
>>obviously going to crumble sometime in the next 40 years.

Hell, people are buying apartments in SF's "Millenium Tower".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower_(San_Francisco)

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On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:54:20 -0600, David Johnston
<davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dude I once saw a line of pricey houses situated on a cliff that was
>obviously going to crumble sometime in the next 40 years.

I don't know anything about that but do know my wife collected 200
year old broken china from the remains of a house that during the last
50 years went from being on top of a cliff to at the bottom of a
cliff. (This was on the Jurassic coast near Dorchester, England)

danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
> In <r6207ihm34a5cftuad0dgqo5ioaj18m15p@4ax.com> shawn
> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:54:20 -0600, David Johnston
>> <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Dude I once saw a line of pricey houses situated on a cliff that was
>>> obviously going to crumble sometime in the next 40 years.
>
> Hell, people are buying apartments in SF's "Millenium Tower".
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower_(San_Francisco)
>

Yikes. It reads like the script for Irwin Allen movie.

So it doesn’t have a 13th floor because there are a lot of really stupid
people that won’t live on the 13th floor and it doesn’t have a 44th floor
because there are a lot of stupid Asian people who won’t live in a building
with a 44th floor.

Does anybody else think maybe we should build buildings with two 13th
floors and two 44th floors so those stupid people won’t live in them?

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In article
<1763233396.706762407.990169.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
> > In <r6207ihm34a5cftuad0dgqo5ioaj18m15p@4ax.com> shawn
> > <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> writes:
> >
> >> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:54:20 -0600, David Johnston
> >> <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Dude I once saw a line of pricey houses situated on a cliff that was
> >>> obviously going to crumble sometime in the next 40 years.
> >
> > Hell, people are buying apartments in SF's "Millenium Tower".
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower_(San_Francisco)
> >
>
> Yikes. It reads like the script for Irwin Allen movie.
>
> So it doesn¹t have a 13th floor because there are a lot of really stupid
> people that won¹t live on the 13th floor and it doesn¹t have a 44th floor
> because there are a lot of stupid Asian people who won¹t live in a building
> with a 44th floor.

Some elevator control panels substitute F for 4 and simply skip 13 and
14 so they read 11, 12, 15, 16. Skipping 13 has been routine for U.S.
elevators since elevators were invented, so I'm not pointing any
fingers. IIRC the Korean word for "four" is very similar to the one
for "death," which is the reason for all the skipping.

> Does anybody else think maybe we should build buildings with two 13th
> floors and two 44th floors so those stupid people won¹t live in them?

I think that's a great idea, and I'm not kidding.

On Fri, 26 May 2023 00:35:21 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>So it doesn’t have a 13th floor because there are a lot of really stupid
>people that won’t live on the 13th floor and it doesn’t have a 44th floor
>because there are a lot of stupid Asian people who won’t live in a building
>with a 44th floor.
>
>Does anybody else think maybe we should build buildings with two 13th
>floors and two 44th floors so those stupid people won’t live in them?

Allegedly the builders figure the selling price of units on these
floors is about 5-10% below units on the 12th or 14th floors.

When I was a teenager we had a house with the number 1340 - the new
owners spent about $10000 petitioning the local council to change the
street number to 1338 and figure they gained $30-40k on the selling
price of the house (when they eventually sold). So said the assessment
the year after they did it in what was at the time a rather flat
market.

I've even seen buildings without a 13th floor in Hong Kong in an
industrial neighborhood with virtually no non-Chinese companies.
(Admittedly I was getting in their elevator - not going to the 14th
floor)

On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:10:33 -0400, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

>Some elevator control panels substitute F for 4 and simply skip 13 and
>14 so they read 11, 12, 15, 16. Skipping 13 has been routine for U.S.
>elevators since elevators were invented, so I'm not pointing any
>fingers. IIRC the Korean word for "four" is very similar to the one
>for "death," which is the reason for all the skipping.

It is in Chinese too and there are a lot more Chinese than Koreans

In article <260520230810335631%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

> In article
> <1763233396.706762407.990169.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
> > > In <r6207ihm34a5cftuad0dgqo5ioaj18m15p@4ax.com> shawn
> > > <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> writes:
> > >
> > >> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:54:20 -0600, David Johnston
> > >> <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>> Dude I once saw a line of pricey houses situated on a cliff that was
> > >>> obviously going to crumble sometime in the next 40 years.
> > >
> > > Hell, people are buying apartments in SF's "Millenium Tower".
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower_(San_Francisco)
> > >
> > Yikes. It reads like the script for Irwin Allen movie.
> >
> > So it doesn�t have a 13th floor because there are a lot of really stupid
> > people that won�t live on the 13th floor and it doesn�t have a 44th floor
> > because there are a lot of stupid Asian people who won�t live in a building
> > with a 44th floor.
>
> Some elevator control panels substitute F for 4 and simply skip 13 and
> 14 so they read 11, 12, 15, 16. Skipping 13 has been routine for U.S.
> elevators since elevators were invented, so I'm not pointing any
> fingers. IIRC the Korean word for "four" is very similar to the one
> for "death," which is the reason for all the skipping.

Which I've never understood, because a building whose elevator doesn't
have a button for 13 still has a 13th floor. Giving it a different name
doesn't mean the floor doesn't exist. It's still the 13th floor from the
bottom even if you call it 14.

What kind of bad luck is so stupid it would fall for such a transparent
trick to evade it?

A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> In article
> <1763233396.706762407.990169.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>> In <r6207ihm34a5cftuad0dgqo5ioaj18m15p@4ax.com> shawn
>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:54:20 -0600, David Johnston
>>>> <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Dude I once saw a line of pricey houses situated on a cliff that was
>>>>> obviously going to crumble sometime in the next 40 years.
>>>
>>> Hell, people are buying apartments in SF's "Millenium Tower".
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower_(San_Francisco)
>>>
>>
>> Yikes. It reads like the script for Irwin Allen movie.
>>
>> So it doesn¹t have a 13th floor because there are a lot of really stupid
>> people that won¹t live on the 13th floor and it doesn¹t have a 44th floor
>> because there are a lot of stupid Asian people who won¹t live in a building
>> with a 44th floor.
>
>
> Some elevator control panels substitute F for 4 and simply skip 13 and
> 14 so they read 11, 12, 15, 16. Skipping 13 has been routine for U.S.
> elevators since elevators were invented, so I'm not pointing any
> fingers. IIRC the Korean word for "four" is very similar to the one
> for "death," which is the reason for all the skipping.

Interesting and useful additional information. Thank you.

>
>
>> Does anybody else think maybe we should build buildings with two 13th
>> floors and two 44th floors so those stupid people won¹t live in them?
>
>
> I think that's a great idea, and I'm not kidding.
>

OK, that’s two!

I’m trying to decide if we should put them on top of each other or scatter
them across the elevator control panel.

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The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 May 2023 00:35:21 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> So it doesn’t have a 13th floor because there are a lot of really stupid
>> people that won’t live on the 13th floor and it doesn’t have a 44th floor
>> because there are a lot of stupid Asian people who won’t live in a building
>> with a 44th floor.
>>
>> Does anybody else think maybe we should build buildings with two 13th
>> floors and two 44th floors so those stupid people won’t live in them?
>
> Allegedly the builders figure the selling price of units on these
> floors is about 5-10% below units on the 12th or 14th floors.
>

The Trump Tower skips IIRC 10 stories in the numbering, because the higher
floor numbers sell for more.

> When I was a teenager we had a house with the number 1340 - the new
> owners spent about $10000 petitioning the local council to change the
> street number to 1338 and figure they gained $30-40k on the selling
> price of the house (when they eventually sold). So said the assessment
> the year after they did it in what was at the time a rather flat
> market.

A couple years ago we had a registered sex offender move into the
neighborhood across the street and maybe 10 houses to the south. Close
enough that they had to notify us.

I noticed a few months ago that his street number is gone. Nobody knows
what happened. I can speculate, but it would be wild, baseless speculation.
Which usually doesn’t stop me.

>
> I've even seen buildings without a 13th floor in Hong Kong in an
> industrial neighborhood with virtually no non-Chinese companies.
> (Admittedly I was getting in their elevator - not going to the 14th
> floor)
>

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <260520230810335631%nope@noway.com>,
> A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <1763233396.706762407.990169.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>>> In <r6207ihm34a5cftuad0dgqo5ioaj18m15p@4ax.com> shawn
>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:54:20 -0600, David Johnston
>>>>> <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Dude I once saw a line of pricey houses situated on a cliff that was
>>>>>> obviously going to crumble sometime in the next 40 years.
>>>>
>>>> Hell, people are buying apartments in SF's "Millenium Tower".
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower_(San_Francisco)
>>>>
>>> Yikes. It reads like the script for Irwin Allen movie.
>>>
>>> So it doesn¹t have a 13th floor because there are a lot of really stupid
>>> people that won¹t live on the 13th floor and it doesn¹t have a 44th floor
>>> because there are a lot of stupid Asian people who won¹t live in a building
>>> with a 44th floor.
>>
>> Some elevator control panels substitute F for 4 and simply skip 13 and
>> 14 so they read 11, 12, 15, 16. Skipping 13 has been routine for U.S.
>> elevators since elevators were invented, so I'm not pointing any
>> fingers. IIRC the Korean word for "four" is very similar to the one
>> for "death," which is the reason for all the skipping.
>
> Which I've never understood, because a building whose elevator doesn't
> have a button for 13 still has a 13th floor. Giving it a different name
> doesn't mean the floor doesn't exist. It's still the 13th floor from the
> bottom even if you call it 14.
>
> What kind of bad luck is so stupid it would fall for such a transparent
> trick to evade it?
>

When I was a teenager Mad magazine used to include stickers, such as a
bumper sticker that simply read BUMPER STICKER.

They had one that said something like “warning to occupants of the 14th
floor. You’ve really been on the 13th floor all along. Lots of luck!“

I put it on the elevator call panel on the 14th floor where I worked (on
11). I asked permission first from the high muckety-muck on the 17th floor,
who I knew hated the lack of the 13th floor in his building. He thought it
was funny. :-)

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[snip]
>> > So it doesnt have a 13th floor because there are a lot of really stupid
>> > people that wont live on the 13th floor and it doesnt have a 44th floor
>> > because there are a lot of stupid Asian people who wont live in a building
>> > with a 44th floor.

>have a button for 13 still has a 13th floor. Giving it a different name
>doesn't mean the floor doesn't exist. It's still the 13th floor from the
>bottom even if you call it 14.

Back when there was a Mad Magazine and... their "annuals" (which seemed
to come out much more often than once/year) and their other specials
would have adhesive stickers in them.

One that I recall was (something like):
"hey, all you people living here on the 14th floor.
You're really on the 13th!!"

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In article
<318481508.706818169.566304.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 May 2023 00:35:21 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> So it doesn't have a 13th floor because there are a lot of really stupid
> >> people that won't live on the 13th floor and it doesn't have a 44th floor
> >> because there are a lot of stupid Asian people who won't live in a building
> >> with a 44th floor.
> >>
> >> Does anybody else think maybe we should build buildings with two 13th
> >> floors and two 44th floors so those stupid people won't live in them?
> >
> > Allegedly the builders figure the selling price of units on these
> > floors is about 5-10% below units on the 12th or 14th floors.
> >
>
> The Trump Tower skips IIRC 10 stories in the numbering, because the higher
> floor numbers sell for more.

I can confirm.

danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>>>> So it doesnt have a 13th floor because there are a lot of really stupid
>>>> people that wont live on the 13th floor and it doesnt have a 44th floor
>>>> because there are a lot of stupid Asian people who wont live in a building
>>>> with a 44th floor.
>
>> have a button for 13 still has a 13th floor. Giving it a different name
>> doesn't mean the floor doesn't exist. It's still the 13th floor from the
>> bottom even if you call it 14.
>
> Back when there was a Mad Magazine and... their "annuals" (which seemed
> to come out much more often than once/year) and their other specials
> would have adhesive stickers in them.
>
> One that I recall was (something like):
> "hey, all you people living here on the 14th floor.
> You're really on the 13th!!"
>

Hee hee hee

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On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 9:19:31 PM UTC-4, shawn wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:54:20 -0600, David Johnston
> <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Dude I once saw a line of pricey houses situated on a cliff that was
> >obviously going to crumble sometime in the next 40 years.
> Once? It seems like we get posts of those sorts of homes falling into
> the water every couple of years. Admittedly the people likely can
> afford it and had some pricey insurance on the home. Still it has to
> hurt to lose a home and all the possessions inside.

I admit I'm no real estate expert but maybe you shouldn't
buy a house that is sitting on the edge of a cliff.

Just sayin'

Irish Mike

On Fri, 26 May 2023 14:02:06 -0700 (PDT), Irish Mike
<irishranger317@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 9:19:31?PM UTC-4, shawn wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:54:20 -0600, David Johnston
>> <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Dude I once saw a line of pricey houses situated on a cliff that was
>> >obviously going to crumble sometime in the next 40 years.
>> Once? It seems like we get posts of those sorts of homes falling into
>> the water every couple of years. Admittedly the people likely can
>> afford it and had some pricey insurance on the home. Still it has to
>> hurt to lose a home and all the possessions inside.
>
>I admit I'm no real estate expert but maybe you shouldn't
>buy a house that is sitting on the edge of a cliff.
>

Much of the time they didn't. The houses started out far away from the
cliff edge but over time the cliff keeps getting closer and closer as
pieces break away.

On 2023-05-26 11:53 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Fri, 26 May 2023 00:35:21 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> So it doesn’t have a 13th floor because there are a lot of really stupid
>> people that won’t live on the 13th floor and it doesn’t have a 44th floor
>> because there are a lot of stupid Asian people who won’t live in a building
>> with a 44th floor.
>>
>> Does anybody else think maybe we should build buildings with two 13th
>> floors and two 44th floors so those stupid people won’t live in them?
>
> Allegedly the builders figure the selling price of units on these
> floors is about 5-10% below units on the 12th or 14th floors.
>
> When I was a teenager we had a house with the number 1340 - the new
> owners spent about $10000 petitioning the local council to change the
> street number to 1338 and figure they gained $30-40k on the selling
> price of the house (when they eventually sold). So said the assessment
> the year after they did it in what was at the time a rather flat
> market.
>
> I've even seen buildings without a 13th floor in Hong Kong in an
> industrial neighborhood with virtually no non-Chinese companies.
> (Admittedly I was getting in their elevator - not going to the 14th
> floor)

I've been in plenty of skyscrapers here in Canada and I don't recall
EVER seeing a 13th floor on any of them! That particularly superstition
seems to linger on, at least in this country.

--
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In article <u4ovvs$3nf2e$3@dont-email.me>, davidjohnston29@yahoo.com wrote:

>Dude I once saw a line of pricey houses situated on a cliff that was
>obviously going to crumble sometime in the next 40 years.

That's relatively far in the future, considering these "global warming"
Chicken Littles claim we have less than a decade left.

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atropos@mac.com wrote:
> A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

>>> So it doesn�t have a 13th floor because there are a lot of really stupid
>>> people that won�t live on the 13th floor and it doesn�t have a 44th floor
>>> because there are a lot of stupid Asian people who won�t live in a
>>> building with a 44th floor.
>>
>> Some elevator control panels substitute F for 4 and simply skip 13 and
>> 14 so they read 11, 12, 15, 16. Skipping 13 has been routine for U.S.
>> elevators since elevators were invented, so I'm not pointing any
>> fingers. IIRC the Korean word for "four" is very similar to the one
>> for "death," which is the reason for all the skipping.
>
>Which I've never understood, because a building whose elevator doesn't
>have a button for 13 still has a 13th floor. Giving it a different name
>doesn't mean the floor doesn't exist. It's still the 13th floor from the
>bottom even if you call it 14.
>
>What kind of bad luck is so stupid it would fall for such a transparent
>trick to evade it?

But what is there IS a 13th floor that was left unoccupied?

(Hmm, wasn't that a plot point to something?)

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