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 by: NoBody - Mon, 29 May 2023 14:48 UTC

On Sun, 28 May 2023 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
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>https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html

And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
world we're living in now.

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 by: moviePig - Mon, 29 May 2023 15:18 UTC

On 5/29/2023 10:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2023 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
>
> And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
> world we're living in now.

No, not fired for "defending his life", nor for any "crazy" reason.

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 by: Ed Stasiak - Mon, 29 May 2023 22:32 UTC

> moviePig
> > NoBody
> > > RichA
> > >
> > > https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
> > >
> > > The incident started when a passenger, who authorities identified as Omarri Shariff Tobias,
> > > got up while the bus was in motion and asked the driver to let him off between designated
> > > bus stops, according to a news release from Charlotte Area Transit System.
> > >
> > > The driver, David Fullard, told Tobias he would have to wait until the next approved stop.
> > > After about a two-minute exchange, Tobias pulled out a gun and pointed it at Fullard, the
> > > transit system said.
> > >
> > > At this time, Fullard also pulled out a firearm, the transit system said. Both men fired their
> > > guns “in rapid succession,” although it is unclear who shot first, company spokesperson
> > > Brandon Hunter told CNN by phone Saturday.

Note: anti-gun CNN implying that who shot first matters and that the bus driver is somehow
at fault for not waiting until he was shot and possibly dead, before defending himself.

> > > Tobias was charged with assault with a deadly weapon inflicting serious injuries, communicating
> > > threats, and carrying a concealed firearm, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department said
> > > in a news release. It’s unclear whether charges will be brought against Fullard.
> > >
> > > Fullard was fired by his employer, RATP Dev, which employs the transit system’s bus operators,
> > > Hunter told CNN on Saturday. CNN has reached out to RATP Dev for comment.
> > >
> > > Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or on company property is prohibited
> > > by the company’s workplace policy and employees can be discharged after the first violation,
> > > according to the transit system.
> > >
> > > The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not follow proper protocol.

So in fact the driver was fired for defending himself, as company policy bars him from defending
himself yet does nothing to provide him with protection from violent passengers.

The driver's options were die to keep his job (at which point it wouldn't matter) or defend himself.

What would have been your choice, moviePig?

> > > “It would have been reasonable for the operator to attempt to de-escalate the situation by
> > > allowing the suspect/passenger to exit the bus before arriving at the next bus stop,” the
> > > transit system said.

We all know that's bullshit. Bus stops exist for a reason, drivers can't stop to drop off or pick up
people wherever they want and the driver would have been disciplined or fired for doing what the
company spokesman suggests.

> > > Fullard is still recovering from his injuries, his attorney told CNN, noting Fullard was
> > > “a dedicated employee and treasured his employment,” who worked as a driver for more
> > > than 19 years.

Something the driver would know full well, considering his long time on the job.

And shit like this is why America can't have a viable public transportation system.

> > And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
> > world we're living in now.
>
> No, not fired for "defending his life", nor for any "crazy" reason.

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On 5/29/2023 6:32 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> moviePig
>>> NoBody
>>>> RichA
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
>>>>
>>>> The incident started when a passenger, who authorities identified as Omarri Shariff Tobias,
>>>> got up while the bus was in motion and asked the driver to let him off between designated
>>>> bus stops, according to a news release from Charlotte Area Transit System.
>>>>
>>>> The driver, David Fullard, told Tobias he would have to wait until the next approved stop.
>>>> After about a two-minute exchange, Tobias pulled out a gun and pointed it at Fullard, the
>>>> transit system said.
>>>>
>>>> At this time, Fullard also pulled out a firearm, the transit system said. Both men fired their
>>>> guns “in rapid succession,” although it is unclear who shot first, company spokesperson
>>>> Brandon Hunter told CNN by phone Saturday.
>
> Note: anti-gun CNN implying that who shot first matters and that the bus driver is somehow
> at fault for not waiting until he was shot and possibly dead, before defending himself.
>
>>>> Tobias was charged with assault with a deadly weapon inflicting serious injuries, communicating
>>>> threats, and carrying a concealed firearm, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department said
>>>> in a news release. It’s unclear whether charges will be brought against Fullard.
>>>>
>>>> Fullard was fired by his employer, RATP Dev, which employs the transit system’s bus operators,
>>>> Hunter told CNN on Saturday. CNN has reached out to RATP Dev for comment.
>>>>
>>>> Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or on company property is prohibited
>>>> by the company’s workplace policy and employees can be discharged after the first violation,
>>>> according to the transit system.
>>>>
>>>> The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not follow proper protocol.
>
> So in fact the driver was fired for defending himself, as company policy bars him from defending
> himself yet does nothing to provide him with protection from violent passengers.
>
> The driver's options were die to keep his job (at which point it wouldn't matter) or defend himself.
>
> What would have been your choice, moviePig?
>
>>>> “It would have been reasonable for the operator to attempt to de-escalate the situation by
>>>> allowing the suspect/passenger to exit the bus before arriving at the next bus stop,” the
>>>> transit system said.
>
> We all know that's bullshit. Bus stops exist for a reason, drivers can't stop to drop off or pick up
> people wherever they want and the driver would have been disciplined or fired for doing what the
> company spokesman suggests.
>
>>>> Fullard is still recovering from his injuries, his attorney told CNN, noting Fullard was
>>>> “a dedicated employee and treasured his employment,” who worked as a driver for more
>>>> than 19 years.
>
> Something the driver would know full well, considering his long time on the job.
>
> And shit like this is why America can't have a viable public transportation system.
>
>>> And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
>>> world we're living in now.
>>
>> No, not fired for "defending his life", nor for any "crazy" reason.

Here's why he was fired, according to them:

--------
Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or on company
property is prohibited by the company’s workplace policy and employees
can be discharged after the first violation, according to the transit
system.
The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not follow proper
protocol.
“It would have been reasonable for the operator to attempt to
de-escalate the situation by allowing the suspect/passenger to exit the
bus before arriving at the next bus stop,” the transit system said.
--------

And I won't speculate about whether, for whatever reason, they're lying.
Meanwhile, we can wonder about whether, after the passenger displayed
a weapon, the driver had the option to stop the bus and let him off --
which sounds to me like a preferable scenario, getting no one fired.

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In article <49ca36b7-3afa-4910-8a79-2fe853c57ca2n@googlegroups.com>,
Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:

> > moviePig
> > > NoBody
> > > > RichA
> > > >
> > > > https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
> > > >
>>>> The incident started when a passenger, who authorities identified
>>>> as Omarri Shariff Tobias, got up while the bus was in motion and
>>>> asked the driver to let him off between designated bus stops,
>>>> according to a news release from Charlotte Area Transit System.

>>>> The driver, David Fullard, told Tobias he would have to wait until
>>>> the next approved stop. After about a two-minute exchange, Tobias
>>>> pulled out a gun and pointed it at Fullard, the transit system said.

>>>> At this time, Fullard also pulled out a firearm, the transit system
>>>> said. Both men fired their guns "in rapid succession", although it
>>>> is unclear who shot first, company spokesperson Brandon Hunter told
>>>> CNN by phone Saturday.
>
> Note: anti-gun CNN implying that who shot first matters and that the bus
> driver is somehow at fault for not waiting until he was shot and possibly
> dead, before defending himself.

Exactly. I read that and I was like, "Huh? What does it matter who shot
first? That's utterly irrelevant unless you have an underlying agenda to
look for reasons why the innocent citizen should be punished for
defending his life from one of the thugs the government is giddily
allowing to roam our streets.

>>>> Tobias was charged with assault with a deadly weapon inflicting
>>>> serious injuries, communicating threats, and carrying a concealed
>>>> firearm, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department said in a news
>>>> release.

No attempt-murder charge? I suppose that would be too mean or something.

>>>> It's unclear whether charges will be brought against Fullard.

It's not unclear whether charges *should* be brought against Fullard.
The answer is an emphatic no.

>>>> Fullard was fired by his employer, RATP Dev, which employs the
>>>> transit system's bus operators, Hunter told CNN on Saturday.

Because of course he was. Can't have drivers defending their lives
against the human debris that they allow to infest public transportation
systems these days.

>>>> Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or on
>>>> company property is prohibited by the company's workplace policy
>>>> and employees can be discharged after the first violation,
>>>> according to the transit system.

>>>> The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not follow
>>>> proper protocol.

> So in fact the driver was fired for defending himself, as company policy
> bars him from defending himself yet does nothing to provide him with
> protection from violent passengers.

He followed the only protocol that matters: he saved his own life by any
means necessary.

Obviously this wasn't the first time he'd been put in this kind of
danger or he wouldn't have had a gun in the first place.

> The driver's options were die to keep his job (at which point it wouldn't
> matter) or defend himself.
>
> What would have been your choice, moviePig?

Wait for the social worker and her diploma to arrive and sort things out.
>>>> "It would have been reasonable for the operator to attempt to
>>>> de-escalate the situation by allowing the suspect/passenger to exit
>>>> the bus before arriving at the next bus stop," the transit system
>>>> said.
>
> We all know that's bullshit. Bus stops exist for a reason, drivers can't
> stop to drop off or pick up people wherever they want and the driver
> would have been disciplined or fired for doing what the company spokesman
> suggests.

Not only that, the driver didn't know he needed to "de-escalate" the
situation by stopping in an unauthorized manner until the thug pulled
out his gun, at which point the time for talking was over.

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In article <p1adM.2231094$MVg8.1974473@fx12.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 5/29/2023 6:32 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> >> moviePig
> >>> NoBody
> >>>> RichA

> >>>> Fullard was fired by his employer, RATP Dev, which employs the transit
> >>>> system's bus operators, Hunter told CNN on Saturday. CNN has reached
> >>>> out to RATP Dev for comment.
> >>>>
> >>>> Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or on company
> >>>> property is prohibited by the company’s workplace policy and employees
> >>>> can be discharged after the first violation, according to the transit
> >>>> system.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not follow proper
> >>>> protocol.
> >
> > So in fact the driver was fired for defending himself, as company policy
> > bars him from defending himself yet does nothing to provide him with
> > protection from violent passengers.
> >
> > The driver's options were die to keep his job (at which point it wouldn't
> > matter) or defend himself.
> >
> > What would have been your choice, moviePig?
>
> Here's why he was fired, according to them:
>
> --------
> Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or on company
> property is prohibited by the company's workplace policy and employees
> can be discharged after the first violation, according to the transit
> system.
> The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not follow proper
> protocol.
> "It would have been reasonable for the operator to attempt to
> de-escalate the situation by allowing the suspect/passenger to exit the
> bus before arriving at the next bus stop," the transit system said.
> --------

Yes, thanks for copy-pasting the news article again.

> And I won't speculate about whether, for whatever reason, they're lying.
> Meanwhile, we can wonder about whether, after the passenger displayed
> a weapon, the driver had the option to stop the bus and let him off --
> which sounds to me like a preferable scenario, getting no one fired.

You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun on
you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling over
immediately?

I wouldn't.

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Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:

>>moviePig
>>>NoBody
>>>>RichA

>>>>https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html

>>>>The incident started when a passenger, who authorities identified as Omarri Shariff Tobias,
>>>>got up while the bus was in motion and asked the driver to let him off between designated
>>>>bus stops, according to a news release from Charlotte Area Transit System.

>>>>The driver, David Fullard, told Tobias he would have to wait until the next approved stop.
>>>>After about a two-minute exchange, Tobias pulled out a gun and pointed it at Fullard, the
>>>>transit system said.

>>>>At this time, Fullard also pulled out a firearm, the transit system said. Both men fired their
>>>>guns "in rapid succession," although it is unclear who shot first, company spokesperson
>>>>Brandon Hunter told CNN by phone Saturday.

>Note: anti-gun CNN implying that who shot first matters and that the bus driver is somehow
>at fault for not waiting until he was shot and possibly dead, before defending himself.

His bosses are going to have him up on a grievance for violating policy,
which would have been hard to do if he were in the morgue.

>>>>Tobias was charged with assault with a deadly weapon inflicting serious injuries, communicating
>>>>threats, and carrying a concealed firearm, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department said
>>>>in a news release. It's unclear whether charges will be brought against Fullard.

Some day, someone will explain the point of the "concealed weapons"
charge. The actual issue is that he brandished it, then fired. While in
his pocket, it wasn't being used to commit assault.

>>>>Fullard was fired by his employer, RATP Dev, which employs the transit system's bus operators,
>>>>Hunter told CNN on Saturday. CNN has reached out to RATP Dev for comment.

But of course he was going to be fucked either way.

>>>>Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or on company property is prohibited
>>>>by the company's workplace policy and employees can be discharged after the first violation,
>>>>according to the transit system.

>>>>The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not follow proper protocol.

>So in fact the driver was fired for defending himself, as company policy bars him from defending
>himself yet does nothing to provide him with protection from violent passengers.

Nonsense. If he had social-worker training, he could have de-escalated
and gotten the guy to peacefully surrender.

>The driver's options were die to keep his job (at which point it
>wouldn't matter) or defend himself.

>What would have been your choice, moviePig?

>>>>"It would have been reasonable for the operator to attempt to de-escalate the situation by
>>>>allowing the suspect/passenger to exit the bus before arriving at the next bus stop," the
>>>>transit system said.

I told you! I told you!

Perhaps someone should inform management that bus drivers are neither
social workers nor violence intervenors. They're trained to drive a bus
and deal with passengers who aren't committing armed assault.

>We all know that's bullshit. Bus stops exist for a reason, drivers can't stop to drop off or pick up
>people wherever they want and the driver would have been disciplined or fired for doing what the
>company spokesman suggests.

If the guy had told him to stop the bus to let him off or he'll shoot
him, the driver would have been fired for that.

>>>>Fullard is still recovering from his injuries, his attorney told CNN, noting Fullard was
>>>>"a dedicated employee and treasured his employment," who worked as a driver for more
>>>>than 19 years.

>Something the driver would know full well, considering his long time on the job.

>And shit like this is why America can't have a viable public
>transportation system.

>>>And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
>>>world we're living in now.

>>No, not fired for "defending his life", nor for any "crazy" reason.

I'm having trouble translating from moviePig English into English.

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On 5/29/2023 7:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <p1adM.2231094$MVg8.1974473@fx12.iad>, moviePig
> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/29/2023 6:32 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>> moviePig
>>>>> NoBody
>>>>>> RichA
>
>>>>>> Fullard was fired by his employer, RATP Dev, which employs
>>>>>> the transit system's bus operators, Hunter told CNN on
>>>>>> Saturday. CNN has reached out to RATP Dev for comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or
>>>>>> on company property is prohibited by the company’s
>>>>>> workplace policy and employees can be discharged after the
>>>>>> first violation, according to the transit system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not
>>>>>> follow proper protocol.
>>>
>>> So in fact the driver was fired for defending himself, as company
>>> policy bars him from defending himself yet does nothing to
>>> provide him with protection from violent passengers.
>>>
>>> The driver's options were die to keep his job (at which point it
>>> wouldn't matter) or defend himself.
>>>
>>> What would have been your choice, moviePig?
>>
>> Here's why he was fired, according to them:
>>
>> -------- Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or
>> on company property is prohibited by the company's workplace policy
>> and employees can be discharged after the first violation,
>> according to the transit system. The Charlotte Area Transit System
>> said Fullard did not follow proper protocol. "It would have been
>> reasonable for the operator to attempt to de-escalate the situation
>> by allowing the suspect/passenger to exit the bus before arriving
>> at the next bus stop," the transit system said. --------
>
> Yes, thanks for copy-pasting the news article again.

You're right, I should've just repeatedly said "Read the article"...

>> And I won't speculate about whether, for whatever reason, they're
>> lying. Meanwhile, we can wonder about whether, after the passenger
>> displayed a weapon, the driver had the option to stop the bus and
>> let him off -- which sounds to me like a preferable scenario,
>> getting no one fired.
>
> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
> over immediately?
>
> I wouldn't.

If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.

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On 5/29/23 6:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <p1adM.2231094$MVg8.1974473@fx12.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/29/2023 6:32 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>> moviePig
>>>>> NoBody
>>>>>> RichA
>
>>>>>> Fullard was fired by his employer, RATP Dev, which employs the transit
>>>>>> system's bus operators, Hunter told CNN on Saturday. CNN has reached
>>>>>> out to RATP Dev for comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or on company
>>>>>> property is prohibited by the company’s workplace policy and employees
>>>>>> can be discharged after the first violation, according to the transit
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not follow proper
>>>>>> protocol.
>>>
>>> So in fact the driver was fired for defending himself, as company policy
>>> bars him from defending himself yet does nothing to provide him with
>>> protection from violent passengers.
>>>
>>> The driver's options were die to keep his job (at which point it wouldn't
>>> matter) or defend himself.
>>>
>>> What would have been your choice, moviePig?
>>
>> Here's why he was fired, according to them:
>>
>> --------
>> Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or on company
>> property is prohibited by the company's workplace policy and employees
>> can be discharged after the first violation, according to the transit
>> system.
>> The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not follow proper
>> protocol.
>> "It would have been reasonable for the operator to attempt to
>> de-escalate the situation by allowing the suspect/passenger to exit the
>> bus before arriving at the next bus stop," the transit system said.
>> --------
>
> Yes, thanks for copy-pasting the news article again.
>
>> And I won't speculate about whether, for whatever reason, they're lying.
>> Meanwhile, we can wonder about whether, after the passenger displayed
>> a weapon, the driver had the option to stop the bus and let him off --
>> which sounds to me like a preferable scenario, getting no one fired.
>
> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun on
> you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling over
> immediately?
>
> I wouldn't.

I agree with Oath Keeper Twat on this. The Republicans want the U.S. to
be the Wild West all over again with millions more guns than people, and
this is the kind of thing that comes up. Sure it makes it our country
look like a pile of shit in the eyes of the world, but this is how right
wing assholes want it. They have no pride and would fuck their own
mothers if it suited their agenda.

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On 5/29/23 7:07 PM, RichA wrote:
> On Monday, 29 May 2023 at 10:50:07 UTC-4, NoBody wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
>>
>> And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
>> world we're living in now.
>
> Pretty depressing a driver has to carry a gun to protect himself from low-class, violent passengers.

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On 5/29/23 7:07 PM, RichA wrote:
> On Monday, 29 May 2023 at 10:50:07 UTC-4, NoBody wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
>>
>> And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
>> world we're living in now.
>
> Pretty depressing a driver has to carry a gun to protect himself from low-class, violent passengers. In Toronto, they had to install
> plastic shields because of the THUG element. We NEVER needed that prior to that class of people coming here.

Totally agree, all because of guns and the deliberate misinterpretation
of the second amendment.

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On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:18:26 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:

>On 5/29/2023 10:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
>>
>> And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
>> world we're living in now.
>
>No, not fired for "defending his life", nor for any "crazy" reason.
>

He had a gun pointed at him and used his own to defend his life. He
got fired for having a weapon to defend his life. Conclusion: he was
fired for defending his life. I think he should sue the bus company
for inadaquate safety protection.

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On Tue, 30 May 2023 03:04:57 -0500, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

>On 5/29/23 7:07 PM, RichA wrote:
>> On Monday, 29 May 2023 at 10:50:07 UTC-4, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
>>>
>>> And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
>>> world we're living in now.
>>
>> Pretty depressing a driver has to carry a gun to protect himself from low-class, violent passengers. In Toronto, they had to install
>> plastic shields because of the THUG element. We NEVER needed that prior to that class of people coming here.
>
>
>Totally agree, all because of guns and the deliberate misinterpretation
>of the second amendment.

Ah so you believe he should have been murdered and everything would be
better.

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On 5/30/2023 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:18:26 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/29/2023 10:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
>>>
>>> And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
>>> world we're living in now.
>>
>> No, not fired for "defending his life", nor for any "crazy" reason.
>>
>
> He had a gun pointed at him and used his own to defend his life. He
> got fired for having a weapon to defend his life. Conclusion: he was
> fired for defending his life. I think he should sue the bus company
> for inadaquate safety protection.

No, he got fired for having a gun ...irrespective of whether it was to
defend his life or to moonlight as an extra on 'Yellowstone'.

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In article <swndM.3404765$iS99.1323199@fx16.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 5/30/2023 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
> > On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:18:26 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/29/2023 10:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
> >>>
> >>> And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
> >>> world we're living in now.
> >>
> >> No, not fired for "defending his life", nor for any "crazy" reason.
> >>
> > He had a gun pointed at him and used his own to defend his life. He
> > got fired for having a weapon to defend his life. Conclusion: he was
> > fired for defending his life. I think he should sue the bus company
> > for inadaquate safety protection.
>
> No, he got fired for having a gun

Something of a necessity given the position he's put in on a daily basis.

Why isn't the bus company held responsible for not only failing to
provide its employees with a safe workplace environment, but then
instituting policies that prevent them from providing for their own
safety?

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In article <TmddM.401325$b7Kc.82746@fx39.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 5/29/2023 7:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <p1adM.2231094$MVg8.1974473@fx12.iad>, moviePig
> > <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/29/2023 6:32 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> >>>> moviePig
> >>>>> NoBody
> >>>>>> RichA
> >
> >>>>>> Fullard was fired by his employer, RATP Dev, which employs
> >>>>>> the transit system's bus operators, Hunter told CNN on
> >>>>>> Saturday. CNN has reached out to RATP Dev for comment.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or
> >>>>>> on company property is prohibited by the company’s
> >>>>>> workplace policy and employees can be discharged after the
> >>>>>> first violation, according to the transit system.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not
> >>>>>> follow proper protocol.
> >>>
> >>> So in fact the driver was fired for defending himself, as company
> >>> policy bars him from defending himself yet does nothing to
> >>> provide him with protection from violent passengers.
> >>>
> >>> The driver's options were die to keep his job (at which point it
> >>> wouldn't matter) or defend himself.
> >>>
> >>> What would have been your choice, moviePig?
> >>
> >> Here's why he was fired, according to them:
> >>
> >> -------- Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or
> >> on company property is prohibited by the company's workplace policy
> >> and employees can be discharged after the first violation,
> >> according to the transit system. The Charlotte Area Transit System
> >> said Fullard did not follow proper protocol. "It would have been
> >> reasonable for the operator to attempt to de-escalate the situation
> >> by allowing the suspect/passenger to exit the bus before arriving
> >> at the next bus stop," the transit system said. --------
> >
> > Yes, thanks for copy-pasting the news article again.
>
> You're right, I should've just repeatedly said "Read the article"...

Would have taken less space and not wasted everyone's time looking
through it to see if there was anything new.

> >> And I won't speculate about whether, for whatever reason, they're
> >> lying. Meanwhile, we can wonder about whether, after the passenger
> >> displayed a weapon, the driver had the option to stop the bus and
> >> let him off -- which sounds to me like a preferable scenario,
> >> getting no one fired.
> >
> > You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
> > on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
> > over immediately?
> >
> > I wouldn't.
>
> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.

Where do you think he was pointing it? At himself?

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On 5/30/2023 4:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <TmddM.401325$b7Kc.82746@fx39.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/29/2023 7:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <p1adM.2231094$MVg8.1974473@fx12.iad>, moviePig
>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/29/2023 6:32 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>>> NoBody
>>>>>>>> RichA
>>>
>>>>>>>> Fullard was fired by his employer, RATP Dev, which employs
>>>>>>>> the transit system's bus operators, Hunter told CNN on
>>>>>>>> Saturday. CNN has reached out to RATP Dev for comment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or
>>>>>>>> on company property is prohibited by the company’s
>>>>>>>> workplace policy and employees can be discharged after the
>>>>>>>> first violation, according to the transit system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not
>>>>>>>> follow proper protocol.
>>>>>
>>>>> So in fact the driver was fired for defending himself, as company
>>>>> policy bars him from defending himself yet does nothing to
>>>>> provide him with protection from violent passengers.
>>>>>
>>>>> The driver's options were die to keep his job (at which point it
>>>>> wouldn't matter) or defend himself.
>>>>>
>>>>> What would have been your choice, moviePig?
>>>>
>>>> Here's why he was fired, according to them:
>>>>
>>>> -------- Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or
>>>> on company property is prohibited by the company's workplace policy
>>>> and employees can be discharged after the first violation,
>>>> according to the transit system. The Charlotte Area Transit System
>>>> said Fullard did not follow proper protocol. "It would have been
>>>> reasonable for the operator to attempt to de-escalate the situation
>>>> by allowing the suspect/passenger to exit the bus before arriving
>>>> at the next bus stop," the transit system said. --------
>>>
>>> Yes, thanks for copy-pasting the news article again.
>>
>> You're right, I should've just repeatedly said "Read the article"...
>
> Would have taken less space and not wasted everyone's time looking
> through it to see if there was anything new.
>
>>>> And I won't speculate about whether, for whatever reason, they're
>>>> lying. Meanwhile, we can wonder about whether, after the passenger
>>>> displayed a weapon, the driver had the option to stop the bus and
>>>> let him off -- which sounds to me like a preferable scenario,
>>>> getting no one fired.
>>>
>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>> over immediately?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't.
>>
>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.
>
> Where do you think he was pointing it? At himself?

Yes, I didn't realize he apparently pointed the gun straightaway.

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On 5/30/2023 4:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <swndM.3404765$iS99.1323199@fx16.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/30/2023 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:18:26 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/29/2023 10:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
>>>>> world we're living in now.
>>>>
>>>> No, not fired for "defending his life", nor for any "crazy" reason.
>>>>
>>> He had a gun pointed at him and used his own to defend his life. He
>>> got fired for having a weapon to defend his life. Conclusion: he was
>>> fired for defending his life. I think he should sue the bus company
>>> for inadaquate safety protection.
>>
>> No, he got fired for having a gun
>
> Something of a necessity given the position he's put in on a daily basis.
>
> Why isn't the bus company held responsible for not only failing to
> provide its employees with a safe workplace environment, but then
> instituting policies that prevent them from providing for their own
> safety?

That sounds easier said than done. Regardless, it's irrelevant to the
fact that he was fired for having a gun.

Meanwhile, note that common sense would've forced them to at least take
him from his bus runs, as leaving him active would've preordained their
culpability in lawsuits resulting from future similar instances.

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 by: FPP - Tue, 30 May 2023 23:50 UTC

On 5/29/23 11:18 AM, moviePig wrote:
> On 5/29/2023 10:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
>>
>> And the driver gets fired for defending his life.  What a crazy ass
>> world we're living in now.
>
> No, not fired for "defending his life", nor for any "crazy" reason.
>
>

This is the Republican DREAM! Shootouts where the public is placed in
danger and has to scramble to save their lives.

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On 5/29/23 7:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <p1adM.2231094$MVg8.1974473@fx12.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/29/2023 6:32 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>> moviePig
>>>>> NoBody
>>>>>> RichA
>
>>>>>> Fullard was fired by his employer, RATP Dev, which employs the transit
>>>>>> system's bus operators, Hunter told CNN on Saturday. CNN has reached
>>>>>> out to RATP Dev for comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or on company
>>>>>> property is prohibited by the company’s workplace policy and employees
>>>>>> can be discharged after the first violation, according to the transit
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not follow proper
>>>>>> protocol.
>>>
>>> So in fact the driver was fired for defending himself, as company policy
>>> bars him from defending himself yet does nothing to provide him with
>>> protection from violent passengers.
>>>
>>> The driver's options were die to keep his job (at which point it wouldn't
>>> matter) or defend himself.
>>>
>>> What would have been your choice, moviePig?
>>
>> Here's why he was fired, according to them:
>>
>> --------
>> Possession of a firearm or other weapons while on duty or on company
>> property is prohibited by the company's workplace policy and employees
>> can be discharged after the first violation, according to the transit
>> system.
>> The Charlotte Area Transit System said Fullard did not follow proper
>> protocol.
>> "It would have been reasonable for the operator to attempt to
>> de-escalate the situation by allowing the suspect/passenger to exit the
>> bus before arriving at the next bus stop," the transit system said.
>> --------
>
> Yes, thanks for copy-pasting the news article again.
>
>> And I won't speculate about whether, for whatever reason, they're lying.
>> Meanwhile, we can wonder about whether, after the passenger displayed
>> a weapon, the driver had the option to stop the bus and let him off --
>> which sounds to me like a preferable scenario, getting no one fired.
>
> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun on
> you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling over
> immediately?
>
> I wouldn't.
>

Why are you admitting you're a lunatic? We already knew that... but
it's nice to see you own up to it.

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On 5/30/23 4:04 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 5/29/23 7:07 PM, RichA wrote:
>> On Monday, 29 May 2023 at 10:50:07 UTC-4, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
>>>
>>> And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
>>> world we're living in now.
>>
>> Pretty depressing a driver has to carry a gun to protect himself from
>> low-class, violent passengers.  In Toronto, they had to install
>> plastic shields because of the THUG element.  We NEVER needed that
>> prior to that class of people coming here.
>
>
> Totally agree, all because of guns and the deliberate misinterpretation
> of the second amendment.

Guess both were members of "a well regulated militia..."

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On 5/30/23 4:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <swndM.3404765$iS99.1323199@fx16.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
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>> On 5/30/2023 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:18:26 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/29/2023 10:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> And the driver gets fired for defending his life. What a crazy ass
>>>>> world we're living in now.
>>>>
>>>> No, not fired for "defending his life", nor for any "crazy" reason.
>>>>
>>> He had a gun pointed at him and used his own to defend his life. He
>>> got fired for having a weapon to defend his life. Conclusion: he was
>>> fired for defending his life. I think he should sue the bus company
>>> for inadaquate safety protection.
>>
>> No, he got fired for having a gun
>
> Something of a necessity given the position he's put in on a daily basis.

Nope. Lots of bus drivers don't carry guns.
He broke a company rule, and was fired for it. What's the big deal?

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> moviePig
> > BTR1701
> >
> > You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
> > on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
> > over immediately?
> >
> > I wouldn't.
>
> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.

The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
the bus driver was justified in shooting him.

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> FPP
>
> This is the Republican DREAM! Shootouts where the public is placed in
> danger and has to scramble to save their lives.

No, unfortunately this is the Democrat REALITY.

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On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> moviePig
>>> BTR1701
>>>
>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>> over immediately?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't.
>>
>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.
>
> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.

And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well have
expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped? I'd
hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".

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