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In article <SjQdM.3730268$9sn9.3590880@fx17.iad>, moviePig
<pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> >> moviePig
> >>> BTR1701
> >>>
> >>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
> >>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
> >>> over immediately?
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't.
> >>
> >> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.
> >
> > The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
> > the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>
> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well have
> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped? I'd
> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".

If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
(unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you. I don't why the driver,
or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
brandishing" the gun.

And, yes, shoot to kill. "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.

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In article <310520232312441844%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

> In article <SjQdM.3730268$9sn9.3590880@fx17.iad>, moviePig
> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
> > On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > >> moviePig
> > >>> BTR1701
> > >>>
> > >>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
> > >>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
> > >>> over immediately?
> > >>>
> > >>> I wouldn't.
> > >>
> > >> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.
> > >
> > > The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
> > > the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
> >
> > And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well have
> > expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped? I'd
> > hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".
>
> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you. I don't why the driver,
> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
> brandishing" the gun.
>
> And, yes, shoot to kill. "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.

+1

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A Friend wrote:
>moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:

>>>>moviePig
>>>>>BTR1701

>>>>>You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>>>>over immediately?

>>>>>I wouldn't.

>>>>If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.

>>>The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
>>>the bus driver was justified in shooting him.

>>And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well have
>>expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped? I'd
>>hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".

>If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>(unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you. I don't why the driver,
>or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>brandishing" the gun.

>And, yes, shoot to kill. "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.

It's a newspaper comic strip thing too.

The Phantom regularly shoots guns out of crooks' hands. Anyone can learn
to do that. Not a problem at all.

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On 5/31/23 10:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <310520232312441844%nope@noway.com>,
> A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <SjQdM.3730268$9sn9.3590880@fx17.iad>, moviePig
>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>> BTR1701
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.
>>>>
>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>
>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well have
>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped? I'd
>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".
>>
>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you. I don't why the driver,
>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>> brandishing" the gun.
>>
>> And, yes, shoot to kill. "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>
> +1

Oath Keeper approved!

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 by: anim8rfsk - Thu, 1 Jun 2023 09:20 UTC

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> A Friend wrote:
>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>
>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>> BTR1701
>
>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>>>>> over immediately?
>
>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>
>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.
>
>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>
>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well have
>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped? I'd
>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".
>
>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you. I don't why the driver,
>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>> brandishing" the gun.
>
>> And, yes, shoot to kill. "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>
> It's a newspaper comic strip thing too.
>
> The Phantom regularly shoots guns out of crooks' hands. Anyone can learn
> to do that. Not a problem at all.
>

Does he? I don’t think I’ve ever seen the Phantom newspaper strip. The Lone
Ranger always shot guns out of peoples hands. The phantom used to slug you
in the face and leave a skull imprint.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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In article
<353531108.707301443.809153.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
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> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> > A Friend wrote:
> >> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> >
> >>>>> moviePig
> >>>>>> BTR1701
> >
> >>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
> >>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
> >>>>>> over immediately?
> >
> >>>>>> I wouldn't.
> >
> >>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.
> >
> >>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
> >>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
> >
> >>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well have
> >>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped? I'd
> >>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".
> >
> >> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
> >> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you. I don't why the driver,
> >> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
> >> brandishing" the gun.
> >
> >> And, yes, shoot to kill. "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
> >
> > It's a newspaper comic strip thing too.
> >
> > The Phantom regularly shoots guns out of crooks' hands. Anyone can learn
> > to do that. Not a problem at all.
> >
>
> Does he? I don¹t think I¹ve ever seen the Phantom newspaper strip. The Lone
> Ranger always shot guns out of peoples hands. The phantom used to slug you
> in the face and leave a skull imprint.

Yes. He had a ring with a skull on it. I think all the Phantoms, in
succession, wore the same ring.

The Phantom strip ran in my local Hearst newspapers until the '60s
strikes undid all of them.

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 by: FPP - Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:06 UTC

On 5/31/23 11:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <310520232312441844%nope@noway.com>,
> A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <SjQdM.3730268$9sn9.3590880@fx17.iad>, moviePig
>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>> BTR1701
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.
>>>>
>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>
>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well have
>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped? I'd
>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".
>>
>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you. I don't why the driver,
>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>> brandishing" the gun.
>>
>> And, yes, shoot to kill. "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>
> +1
>

I was taught to shoot until the danger is neutralized. But, yeah, I'd
go for center mass every time.

To quote Stilgar... "Nothing fancy."

--
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC
Bible 25B.G.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0

Gracie, age 6.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0

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 by: FPP - Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:17 UTC

On 6/1/23 8:27 AM, A Friend wrote:
> In article
> <353531108.707301443.809153.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> A Friend wrote:
>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>>>> BTR1701
>>>
>>>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>
>>>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.
>>>
>>>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
>>>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>
>>>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well have
>>>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped? I'd
>>>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".
>>>
>>>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>>>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you. I don't why the driver,
>>>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>>>> brandishing" the gun.
>>>
>>>> And, yes, shoot to kill. "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>>>
>>> It's a newspaper comic strip thing too.
>>>
>>> The Phantom regularly shoots guns out of crooks' hands. Anyone can learn
>>> to do that. Not a problem at all.
>>>
>>
>> Does he? I don¹t think I¹ve ever seen the Phantom newspaper strip. The Lone
>> Ranger always shot guns out of peoples hands. The phantom used to slug you
>> in the face and leave a skull imprint.
>
>
> Yes. He had a ring with a skull on it. I think all the Phantoms, in
> succession, wore the same ring.
>
> The Phantom strip ran in my local Hearst newspapers until the '60s
> strikes undid all of them.
>

Two rings... the one with the skull, and the one with the "good mark."

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6904cbz7aau5b8i/Ghost%20Who%20Walks.jpg?dl=0

Long time collector...

--
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC
Bible 25B.G.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0

Gracie, age 6.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0

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 by: FPP - Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:26 UTC

On 6/1/23 10:17 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 6/1/23 8:27 AM, A Friend wrote:
>> In article
>> <353531108.707301443.809153.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>> A Friend wrote:
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>>>>> BTR1701
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you
>>>>>>>>> pulling
>>>>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may
>>>>>>>> change.
>>>>
>>>>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached
>>>>>>> for it
>>>>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>>
>>>>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may
>>>>>> well have
>>>>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus
>>>>>> stopped?  I'd
>>>>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's
>>>>>> "justified".
>>>>
>>>>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>>>>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you.  I don't why the
>>>>> driver,
>>>>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>>>>> brandishing" the gun.
>>>>
>>>>> And, yes, shoot to kill.  "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>>>>
>>>> It's a newspaper comic strip thing too.
>>>>
>>>> The Phantom regularly shoots guns out of crooks' hands. Anyone can
>>>> learn
>>>> to do that. Not a problem at all.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Does he? I don¹t think I¹ve ever seen the Phantom newspaper strip.
>>> The Lone
>>> Ranger always shot guns out of peoples hands. The phantom used to
>>> slug you
>>> in the face and leave a skull imprint.
>>
>>
>> Yes.  He had a ring with a skull on it.  I think all the Phantoms, in
>> succession, wore the same ring.
>>
>> The Phantom strip ran in my local Hearst newspapers until the '60s
>> strikes undid all of them.
>>
>
> Two rings... the one with the skull, and the one with the "good mark."
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6904cbz7aau5b8i/Ghost%20Who%20Walks.jpg?dl=0
>
> Long time collector...

Way too long...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/53ydfruky5j300u/PH%20Woodcut.png?dl=0

--
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC
Bible 25B.G.
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Gracie, age 6.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0

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 by: anim8rfsk - Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:37 UTC

A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> In article
> <353531108.707301443.809153.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> A Friend wrote:
>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>>>> BTR1701
>>>
>>>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>
>>>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.
>>>
>>>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
>>>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>
>>>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well have
>>>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped? I'd
>>>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".
>>>
>>>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>>>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you. I don't why the driver,
>>>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>>>> brandishing" the gun.
>>>
>>>> And, yes, shoot to kill. "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>>>
>>> It's a newspaper comic strip thing too.
>>>
>>> The Phantom regularly shoots guns out of crooks' hands. Anyone can learn
>>> to do that. Not a problem at all.
>>>
>>
>> Does he? I don¹t think I¹ve ever seen the Phantom newspaper strip. The Lone
>> Ranger always shot guns out of peoples hands. The phantom used to slug you
>> in the face and leave a skull imprint.
>
>
> Yes. He had a ring with a skull on it. I think all the Phantoms, in
> succession, wore the same ring.
>
> The Phantom strip ran in my local Hearst newspapers until the '60s
> strikes undid all of them.
>

I’ve always liked the phantom. I’ll watch the Billy Zane movie if it’s on.
I can’t handle that pilot film though even if it has Sandrine holt in it.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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 by: moviePig - Thu, 1 Jun 2023 15:06 UTC

On 6/1/2023 10:06 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 5/31/23 11:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <310520232312441844%nope@noway.com>,
>>   A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <SjQdM.3730268$9sn9.3590880@fx17.iad>, moviePig
>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>>> BTR1701
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may
>>>>>> change.
>>>>>
>>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached
>>>>> for it
>>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>>
>>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well
>>>> have
>>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped?
>>>> I'd
>>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's
>>>> "justified".
>>>
>>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you.  I don't why the driver,
>>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>>> brandishing" the gun.
>>>
>>> And, yes, shoot to kill.  "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>>
>> +1
>>
>
> I was taught to shoot until the danger is neutralized.  But, yeah, I'd
> go for center mass every time.
>
> To quote Stilgar... "Nothing fancy."

Yeah, I'm not second guessing that aspect. But, even if I weren't
averse to killing, I wonder if *my* chances of survival might be
maximized by leaving my gun hidden and letting the guy off the bus.

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moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> On 6/1/2023 10:06 AM, FPP wrote:
>> On 5/31/23 11:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <310520232312441844%nope@noway.com>,
>>>   A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <SjQdM.3730268$9sn9.3590880@fx17.iad>, moviePig
>>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>>>> BTR1701
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may
>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached
>>>>>> for it
>>>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well
>>>>> have
>>>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped?
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's
>>>>> "justified".
>>>>
>>>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>>>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you.  I don't why the driver,
>>>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>>>> brandishing" the gun.
>>>>
>>>> And, yes, shoot to kill.  "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>
>> I was taught to shoot until the danger is neutralized.  But, yeah, I'd
>> go for center mass every time.
>>
>> To quote Stilgar... "Nothing fancy."
>
> Yeah, I'm not second guessing that aspect. But, even if I weren't
> averse to killing, I wonder if *my* chances of survival might be
> maximized by leaving my gun hidden and letting the guy off the bus.
>

There is probably good reason that he’s not supposed to stop in that part
of town. At the very least it would get him fired.

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On 6/1/2023 1:42 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> On 6/1/2023 10:06 AM, FPP wrote:
>>> On 5/31/23 11:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <310520232312441844%nope@noway.com>,
>>>>   A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <SjQdM.3730268$9sn9.3590880@fx17.iad>, moviePig
>>>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>>>>> BTR1701
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>>>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may
>>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached
>>>>>>> for it
>>>>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped?
>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's
>>>>>> "justified".
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>>>>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you.  I don't why the driver,
>>>>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>>>>> brandishing" the gun.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, yes, shoot to kill.  "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was taught to shoot until the danger is neutralized.  But, yeah, I'd
>>> go for center mass every time.
>>>
>>> To quote Stilgar... "Nothing fancy."
>>
>> Yeah, I'm not second guessing that aspect. But, even if I weren't
>> averse to killing, I wonder if *my* chances of survival might be
>> maximized by leaving my gun hidden and letting the guy off the bus.
>>
>
> There is probably good reason that he’s not supposed to stop in that part
> of town. At the very least it would get him fired.

Yes, he's forced to turn down the guy's initial request. But once the
guy shows a gun, there may be a choice between stopping the bus or
engaging in a gunfight. Afaics, the former offers better outcomes.
(Yes, I'm assuming the guy's unlikely to plug him for the hell of it.)

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anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> A Friend wrote:
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>> BTR1701

>>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may change.
>>>>>
>>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
>>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>>
>>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well have
>>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped? I'd
>>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".
>>>
>>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you. I don't why the driver,
>>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>>> brandishing" the gun.
>>
>>> And, yes, shoot to kill. "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>>
>> It's a newspaper comic strip thing too.
>>
>> The Phantom regularly shoots guns out of crooks' hands. Anyone can learn
>> to do that. Not a problem at all.
>
>Does he? I don't think I've ever seen the Phantom newspaper strip. The Lone
>Ranger always shot guns out of peoples hands. The phantom used to slug you
>in the face and leave a skull imprint.

If memory serves, The Phantom had a ring for enemies (with a skull) and one for
friends (with a cross). I am pretty sure he didn't punch his friends in the
face, tho...

[Kerman's incorrect formatting fixed.]

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> moviePig
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
> > the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>
> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill?

Yes.

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZDT9jy9/Mozambique-Drill.gif

> ...when the guy may well have expected that merely brandishing the gun
> would get the bus stopped?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

> I'd hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".

The threshold was the criminal going for his gun.

Again: you do NOT have to wait until you are shot and possible killed,
before defending yourself.

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> Ed Stasiak
> > > > RichA
> > > >
> > > > https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/28/us/charlotte-bus-shooting/index.html
> > > >
> > > > The incident started when a passenger, who authorities identified as Omarri Shariff Tobias,
> > > > got up while the bus was in motion and asked the driver to let him off between designated
> > > > bus stops, according to a news release from Charlotte Area Transit System.
>
> And shit like this is why America can't have a viable public transportation system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJRbl52BXw0

And the bus ends up stopping 10' past the bus stop...

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On 6/1/2023 4:54 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> moviePig
>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>
>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>
>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill?
>
> Yes.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/7ZDT9jy9/Mozambique-Drill.gif
>
>> ...when the guy may well have expected that merely brandishing the gun
>> would get the bus stopped?
>
> Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
>
>> I'd hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".
>
> The threshold was the criminal going for his gun.
>
> Again: you do NOT have to wait until you are shot and possible killed,
> before defending yourself.

Any comment on the likelihood (raised elsewhere) that, once he produced
a gun, just letting him off the bus results in no shots fired? If he
was just trigger-happy, he'd likely have shot the driver straightaway.

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On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 17:17:33 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:

>On 6/1/2023 4:54 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>> moviePig
>>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>>
>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached for it
>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>
>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/7ZDT9jy9/Mozambique-Drill.gif
>>
>>> ...when the guy may well have expected that merely brandishing the gun
>>> would get the bus stopped?
>>
>> Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
>>
>>> I'd hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's "justified".
>>
>> The threshold was the criminal going for his gun.
>>
>> Again: you do NOT have to wait until you are shot and possible killed,
>> before defending yourself.
>
>Any comment on the likelihood (raised elsewhere) that, once he produced
>a gun, just letting him off the bus results in no shots fired? If he
>was just trigger-happy, he'd likely have shot the driver straightaway.
>

Agreed. There really wasn't any reason for the driver not to do so
after the guy had pulled a gun. If for no other reason than to
distract the guy if he had intended to shoot. Though as you say the
likelihood was that he never intended to shoot.

What isn't clear is why he was so set on getting off at that spot that
he couldn't wait a minute or two. I'm sure he had used the bus system
before and was used to having to walk from the bus stop to his
destination. At least with the guy that opened the plane door right
before it landed it was clear afterwards that he was having some sort
of panic attack which led him to opening the door (which really should
never have opened at that point.)

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On 6/1/23 9:06 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 5/31/23 11:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <310520232312441844%nope@noway.com>,
>>   A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <SjQdM.3730268$9sn9.3590880@fx17.iad>, moviePig
>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>>> BTR1701
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you pulling
>>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may
>>>>>> change.
>>>>>
>>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached
>>>>> for it
>>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>>
>>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well
>>>> have
>>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped?
>>>> I'd
>>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's
>>>> "justified".
>>>
>>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you.  I don't why the driver,
>>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>>> brandishing" the gun.
>>>
>>> And, yes, shoot to kill.  "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>>
>> +1
>>
>
> I was taught to shoot until the danger is neutralized.  But, yeah, I'd
> go for center mass every time.
>
> To quote Stilgar... "Nothing fancy."

That's an important distiction. If Oath Keeper Twat was really a
trained officer of any kind he'd have said they're taught to shoot at
the center of mass, but instead he reinforces the masturbatory fantasy
of "shoot to kill."

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 by: FPP - Fri, 2 Jun 2023 12:46 UTC

On 6/2/23 5:48 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 6/1/23 9:06 AM, FPP wrote:
>> On 5/31/23 11:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <310520232312441844%nope@noway.com>,
>>>   A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <SjQdM.3730268$9sn9.3590880@fx17.iad>, moviePig
>>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>>>> BTR1701
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you
>>>>>>>> pulling
>>>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may
>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached
>>>>>> for it
>>>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well
>>>>> have
>>>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped?
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's
>>>>> "justified".
>>>>
>>>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>>>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you.  I don't why the driver,
>>>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>>>> brandishing" the gun.
>>>>
>>>> And, yes, shoot to kill.  "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>
>> I was taught to shoot until the danger is neutralized.  But, yeah, I'd
>> go for center mass every time.
>>
>> To quote Stilgar... "Nothing fancy."
>
>
> That's an important distiction.  If Oath Keeper Twat was really a
> trained officer of any kind he'd have said they're taught to shoot at
> the center of mass, but instead he reinforces the masturbatory fantasy
> of "shoot to kill."

I also use safety rounds in my home defense revolver. They're made with
a type of plastic tip, with small steel shot instead of a solid wad of lead.

They're made to NOT penetrate walls and doors, so you don't accidentally
kill your wife and kids in the next room, or your neighbor across the
street. The plastic end breaks up on contact and delivers the steel
balls into the target.

They're called "safety" because they're safe for those living around you
- but make no mistake, they're not so safe for the recipient.

I'd rather not kill anything if I don't have to.

--
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC
Bible 25B.G.
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Gracie, age 6.
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On 6/2/2023 8:46 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 6/2/23 5:48 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 6/1/23 9:06 AM, FPP wrote:
>>> On 5/31/23 11:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <310520232312441844%nope@noway.com>,
>>>>   A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <SjQdM.3730268$9sn9.3590880@fx17.iad>, moviePig
>>>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>>>>> BTR1701
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you
>>>>>>>>> pulling
>>>>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may
>>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached
>>>>>>> for it
>>>>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may
>>>>>> well have
>>>>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus
>>>>>> stopped? I'd
>>>>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's
>>>>>> "justified".
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>>>>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you.  I don't why the
>>>>> driver,
>>>>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>>>>> brandishing" the gun.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, yes, shoot to kill.  "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was taught to shoot until the danger is neutralized.  But, yeah,
>>> I'd go for center mass every time.
>>>
>>> To quote Stilgar... "Nothing fancy."
>>
>>
>> That's an important distiction.  If Oath Keeper Twat was really a
>> trained officer of any kind he'd have said they're taught to shoot at
>> the center of mass, but instead he reinforces the masturbatory fantasy
>> of "shoot to kill."
>
>
> I also use safety rounds in my home defense revolver.  They're made with
> a type of plastic tip, with small steel shot instead of a solid wad of
> lead.
>
> They're made to NOT penetrate walls and doors, so you don't accidentally
> kill your wife and kids in the next room, or your neighbor across the
> street.  The plastic end breaks up on contact and delivers the steel
> balls into the target.
>
> They're called "safety" because they're safe for those living around you
> -  but make no mistake, they're not so safe for the recipient.
>
> I'd rather not kill anything if I don't have to.

Swift 'n' Certain Justice wants a word with you...

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On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 08:46:14 -0400, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 6/2/23 5:48 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 6/1/23 9:06 AM, FPP wrote:
>>> On 5/31/23 11:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <310520232312441844%nope@noway.com>,
>>>>   A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <SjQdM.3730268$9sn9.3590880@fx17.iad>, moviePig
>>>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/31/2023 6:46 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>>>>> moviePig
>>>>>>>>> BTR1701
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You wanna bet your life that a lunatic who's willing to pull a gun
>>>>>>>>> on you over where the bus stops is gonna be mollified by you
>>>>>>>>> pulling
>>>>>>>>> over immediately?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If he actually points the gun at you, your choice of actions may
>>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The criminal didn't need to point the gun, the moment he reached
>>>>>>> for it
>>>>>>> the bus driver was justified in shooting him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill? ...when the guy may well
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> expected that merely brandishing the gun would get the bus stopped?
>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>> hope one's threshold for lethal force can rise above what's
>>>>>> "justified".
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't want to get shot, don't wave your gun at somebody who's
>>>>> (unexpectedly) armed and prepared to stop you.  I don't why the driver,
>>>>> or anybody else, would rely on the idea that the perp was "merely
>>>>> brandishing" the gun.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, yes, shoot to kill.  "Shooting to wound" is a TV thing.
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was taught to shoot until the danger is neutralized.  But, yeah, I'd
>>> go for center mass every time.
>>>
>>> To quote Stilgar... "Nothing fancy."
>>
>>
>> That's an important distiction.  If Oath Keeper Twat was really a
>> trained officer of any kind he'd have said they're taught to shoot at
>> the center of mass, but instead he reinforces the masturbatory fantasy
>> of "shoot to kill."
>
>
>I also use safety rounds in my home defense revolver. They're made with
>a type of plastic tip, with small steel shot instead of a solid wad of lead.
>
>They're made to NOT penetrate walls and doors, so you don't accidentally
>kill your wife and kids in the next room, or your neighbor across the
>street. The plastic end breaks up on contact and delivers the steel
>balls into the target.
>

Sounds like the rat killer rounds my dad used to have many many years
ago. A similar idea of a plastic tip with balls inside that do the
damage but isn't going to penetrate the same way a solid bullet would.

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 by: The Horny Goat - Fri, 2 Jun 2023 17:35 UTC

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 17:29:21 -0400, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>Agreed. There really wasn't any reason for the driver not to do so
>after the guy had pulled a gun. If for no other reason than to
>distract the guy if he had intended to shoot. Though as you say the
>likelihood was that he never intended to shoot.
>
>What isn't clear is why he was so set on getting off at that spot that
>he couldn't wait a minute or two. I'm sure he had used the bus system
>before and was used to having to walk from the bus stop to his
>destination. At least with the guy that opened the plane door right
>before it landed it was clear afterwards that he was having some sort
>of panic attack which led him to opening the door (which really should
>never have opened at that point.)

Indeed - I live on a bus route that terminates downtown (a 40-45
minute trip) without transfers - but the nearest stop is about 1 1/2
to 2 blocks from me despite the fact that it roars right in front of
my house. (I'm not making this up)

I can safely assure you that on several cold and rainy nights I've
gotten off the bus cursing the route designers that laid out the stops
(who are a major reason I seldom take the bus except when I'm going to
or from downtown) but have NEVER been tempted to do what this guy
apparently did.

Fancy that eh?

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 by: Ed Stasiak - Fri, 2 Jun 2023 22:52 UTC

> moviePig
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > Again: you do NOT have to wait until you are shot and possibly killed,
> > before defending yourself.
>
> Any comment on the likelihood (raised elsewhere) that, once he produced
> a gun, just letting him off the bus results in no shots fired? If he
> was just trigger-happy, he'd likely have shot the driver straightaway.
>
> likelihood
> likely

We're talking about a guy willing to PULL A GUN on a bus driver simply
for not stopping in the middle of the street to let him off.

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 by: moviePig - Fri, 2 Jun 2023 23:03 UTC

On 6/2/2023 6:52 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> moviePig
>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>
>>> Again: you do NOT have to wait until you are shot and possibly killed,
>>> before defending yourself.
>>
>> Any comment on the likelihood (raised elsewhere) that, once he produced
>> a gun, just letting him off the bus results in no shots fired? If he
>> was just trigger-happy, he'd likely have shot the driver straightaway.
>>
>> likelihood
>> likely
>
> We're talking about a guy willing to PULL A GUN on a bus driver simply
> for not stopping in the middle of the street to let him off.

He thinks his is the only gun, so merely showing it will get him what he
wants, and probably with no further consequences. Consider, e.g., how
less likely he'd have been to pull his gun knowing the driver was armed.

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