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 by: Daniel65 - Wed, 16 Aug 2023 13:08 UTC

tsbru...@gmail.com wrote on 16/8/23 9:48 pm:
> Did Jackson Lake really think that his balloon could time travel?

No.

> Will he marry Rosita?
>
No.

--
Daniel

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 by: solar penguin - Wed, 16 Aug 2023 13:17 UTC

Daniel declared:

> tsbru...@gmail.com wrote on 16/8/23 9:48 pm:
>> Did Jackson Lake really think that his balloon could
>> time travel?
>
> No.
>
>> Will he marry Rosita?
>>
> No.
>

Why not?

--
solar penguin

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 by: Daniel65 - Thu, 17 Aug 2023 12:08 UTC

solar penguin wrote on 16/8/23 11:17 pm:
> Daniel declared:
>> tsbru...@gmail.com wrote on 16/8/23 9:48 pm:
>>> Did Jackson Lake really think that his balloon could
>>> time travel?
>>
>> No.
>>
>>> Will he marry Rosita?
>>>
>> No.
>
> Why not?
>
He was white, she wasn't.
He was 'Well-to-do-='ish, she wasn't

(Remember the Social standards of the time!!)
--
Daniel

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 by: Daniel65 - Fri, 18 Aug 2023 06:35 UTC

tsbr...@gmail.com wrote on 17/8/23 11:29 pm:
> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 5:08:25 AM UTC-7, Daniel65 wrote:
>> solar penguin wrote on 16/8/23 11:17 pm:
>>> Daniel declared:
>>>> tsbru...@gmail.com wrote on 16/8/23 9:48 pm:
>>>>> Did Jackson Lake really think that his balloon could
>>>>> time travel?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>> Will he marry Rosita?
>>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>>
>> He was white, she wasn't.
>> He was 'Well-to-do-='ish, she wasn't
>>
>> (Remember the Social standards of the time!!)
>
> Would a howling mob have torn them to shreds?
>
> I thought that the episode was in Britain, not the Southern USA!
>
Oh!! Perhaps the local expert on *all* things English (a.k.a. the
asswipe) could tell us of the Social Standings of that time in England??

Could a White Man have married a Coloured Woman in that time-period??
(Screwed, Sure, but not actually married!!)
--
Daniel

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 by: Daniel65 - Fri, 18 Aug 2023 06:37 UTC

tsbr...@gmail.com wrote on 17/8/23 11:31 pm:
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 6:08:24 AM UTC-7, Daniel65 wrote:
>> tsbru...@gmail.com wrote on 16/8/23 9:48 pm:
>>> Did Jackson Lake really think that his balloon could time travel?
>> No.
>>
>>> Will he marry Rosita?
>>>
>> No.
>
> Will he hire Rosita as a nanny?
>
Why?? Did he have any kids?? (None that I remember!)

--
Daniel

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 by: solar penguin - Fri, 18 Aug 2023 08:59 UTC

Daniel demanded:

> tsbr...@gmail.com wrote on 17/8/23 11:29 pm:
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 5:08:25 AM UTC-7, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> solar penguin wrote on 16/8/23 11:17 pm:
>>>> Daniel declared:
>>>>> tsbru...@gmail.com wrote on 16/8/23 9:48 pm:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Will he marry Rosita?
>>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>>
>>> He was white, she wasn't.
>>> He was 'Well-to-do-='ish, she wasn't
>>>
>>> (Remember the Social standards of the time!!)
>>
>> Would a howling mob have torn them to shreds?
>>
>> I thought that the episode was in Britain, not the Southern USA!
>>
> Oh!! Perhaps the local expert on *all* things English
> (a.k.a. the asswipe) could tell us of the Social Standings
> of that time in England??
>
> Could a White Man have married a Coloured Woman
> in that time-period?? (Screwed, Sure, but not actually
> married!!)

Legally, yes he could. Socially, it would’ve been considered
rather eccentric. But not necessarily wrong.

--
solar penguin

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Daniel65 wrote:
> >
> Oh!! Perhaps the local expert on all things English (a.k.a. the
> asswipe) could tell us of the Social Standings of that time in England??
>
> Could a White Man have married a Coloured Woman in that time-period??
> (Screwed, Sure, but not actually married!!)

Of course. There has never been any law in the UK banning inter-racial
marriages. It almost certainly would have been socially unacceptable
though.

I'm not sure it would have been an issue in 1851 anyway as I doubt there
was too many coloured people in the UK back then, but I haven't gone back
in my time machine to check...

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 by: The Last Doctor - Sat, 19 Aug 2023 06:12 UTC

Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> Daniel65 wrote:
>>>
>> Oh!! Perhaps the local expert on all things English (a.k.a. the
>> asswipe) could tell us of the Social Standings of that time in England??
>>
>> Could a White Man have married a Coloured Woman in that time-period??
>> (Screwed, Sure, but not actually married!!)
>
> Of course. There has never been any law in the UK banning inter-racial
> marriages. It almost certainly would have been socially unacceptable
> though.
>
> I'm not sure it would have been an issue in 1851 anyway as I doubt there
> was too many coloured people in the UK back then, but I haven't gone back
> in my time machine to check...
>

By 1800 it’s estimated there were about 15,000 black people in London and
5,000 more scattered across the country (mainly in cities). London had
about 1,000,000 people at this time so 1.5% of the population or about 1
person in 70. “Racial crossings” were fairly rare but they did exist,
usually in working class communities. Such relationships did face racism,
of course.

Of course, people returning from the far reaches of the Empire were more
likely to be in a mixed relationship. In New Zealand there was even an
official policy of “racial amalgamation” in the early Victorian era when
white and Māori were encouraged to intermarry.

--
Jodie Whittaker played the Thirteenth Doctor in Doctor Who.

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 by: Blueshirt - Sat, 19 Aug 2023 07:09 UTC

The Last Doctor wrote:

> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > Daniel65 wrote:
> >>>
> >> Oh!! Perhaps the local expert on all things English (a.k.a. the
> >> asswipe) could tell us of the Social Standings of that time in
> >> England??
> >> Could a White Man have married a Coloured Woman in that time-period??
> >> (Screwed, Sure, but not actually married!!)
> >
> > Of course. There has never been any law in the UK banning inter-racial
> > marriages. It almost certainly would have been socially unacceptable
> > though.
> >
> > I'm not sure it would have been an issue in 1851 anyway as I doubt
> > there was too many coloured people in the UK back then, but I haven't
> > gone back in my time machine to check...
>
> By 1800 it’s estimated there were about 15,000 black people in London
> and 5,000 more scattered across the country (mainly in cities).

Over here 'coloured' people were mainly found around the dock areas of
the big cities, so I assume something similar for the UK.

(Although back then - 1801 onwards - our cities and ports were part of
the UK.)

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The Doctor wrote:

> In article <xn0o5rpyromgqor006@reader.xsnews.nl>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > The Last Doctor wrote:
> >>
> >> By 1800 it’s estimated there were about 15,000 black people in London
> >> and 5,000 more scattered across the country (mainly in cities).
> >
> > Over here 'coloured' people were mainly found around the dock areas of
> > the big cities, so I assume something similar for the UK.
> >
> > (Although back then - 1801 onwards - our cities and ports were part of
> > the UK.)
>
> I just you have not the BBC documentaries I have seen.

If it is a modern documentary on the BBC it is very likely to be fake
news or propaganda...

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The Doctor wrote:

> In article <xn0o5rzfbozakzm002@reader.xsnews.nl>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > The Doctor wrote:
> >
> >> In article <xn0o5rpyromgqor006@reader.xsnews.nl>,
> >> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> >> > The Last Doctor wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> By 1800 it’s estimated there were about 15,000 black people in
> >> >> London and 5,000 more scattered across the country (mainly in
> >> >> cities).
> >> > Over here 'coloured' people were mainly found around the dock
> >> > areas of the big cities, so I assume something similar for the UK.
> >> >
> >> > (Although back then - 1801 onwards - our cities and ports were
> >> > part of the UK.)
> >>
> >> I just you have not the BBC documentaries I have seen.
> >
> > If it is a modern documentary on the BBC it is very likely to be fake
> > news or propaganda...
>
> Who are you?

Somebody who is clearly cleverer than you.

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Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

> The Doctor wrote:
>
>>
>> Who are you?
>
> Somebody who is clearly cleverer than you.
>

That doesn’t narrow it down very much.

--
solar penguin

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solar penguin wrote:

>
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>
> > The Doctor wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Who are you?
> >
> > Somebody who is clearly cleverer than you.
> >
>
> That doesn’t narrow it down very much.

:-)


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