Zod wrote:

> George Dance wrote:
>> wrote:
>> > George Dance wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > > > Today on The Penny Blog:
>> > > > > > > > > If Winter Remain, by Clark Ashton Smith
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Hateful, and most abhorred,
>> > > > > > > > > about us the season
>> > > > > > > > > of sleet, of snow and of frost
>> > > > > > > > > reaches, and seems unending
>> > > > > > > > > as plains whereon
>> > > > > > > > > lashed prisoners go
>> > > > > > > > > [...]
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-winter-remain-clark-ashton-smith.html
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Aha, I remember Clark Ashton Smith from my later childhood days, when I was steeped in Edgar Allan Poe, H.P. Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard, Baudelaire and Rimbaud, the Cthulu Mythos, and all the lurching shambling horrors that went with it. Great stuff, and very influential on the Shadowville scene.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Here's a groovy quote from C.A.S.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > "The nostalgia of things unknown, of lands forgotten or unfound, is upon me at times. Often I long for the gleam of yellow suns upon terraces of translucent azure marble, mocking the windless waters of lakes unfathomably calm; for lost, legendary palaces of serpentine, silver and ebony, whose columns are green stalactites; for the pillars of fallen temples, standing in the vast purpureal sunset of a land of lost and marvellous romance. I sigh for the dark-green depths of cedar forests, through whose fantastically woven boughs, one sees at intervals an unknown tropic ocean, like gleams of blue diamond; for isles of palm and coral, that fret an amber morning, somewhere beyond Cathay or Taprobane; for the strange and hidden cities of the desert, with burning brazen domes and slender pinnacles of gold and copper, that pierce a heaven of heated lazuli."
>> > > > > > > > -Clark Ashton Smith, "Nostalgia of the Unknown"
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I'm glad you know of that tradition (which I didn't until I started working on PPP). I wonder if Michael does, since it's the one he actually works within. It's a shame, really; if it weren't for the Mickey Mouse Act of 1998, all their works would be public domain by now, and everyone would probably be well aware of them; but nowadays one won't find any of their poetry without digging for it.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > When I was publishing "Penny Dreadful," I corresponded with a lot fellow
>> > > > > > writers with similar tastes (most of them living in England); and was a member > of The Doppelganger Society which published a broadsheet that focused on horror > and fantasy writings from that period.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sorry if I was unclear. I'm sure you know a lot more about the Cthulu writers' horror fiction than I do. And I'm sure that nearly every reader has at least heard of it. I was referring to their poetry: I'd had no idea that Smith, Lovecraft, Howard, and Frank Belknap Long all wrote Romantic/Gothic poetry, too; that's the part I fear may be being forgotten. I've never read a word in any poetry texts or anthologies that I've read (mind you, that's true of a number of top-notch poets, like Vachel Lindsay and Alfred Noyes, as well). As far as academia is concerned, their poetry never existed. And, due to the absurd U.S. copyright term, the Internet can't be counted on to fill the vacuum, either.
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm familiar with some of Lovecraft's poetry, but nothing by Smith or the others. It would be great if you could put some more of them on TPB..
>> > >
>> > > I'll start searching those authors today; thanks for the leads.
>> > >
>> > > I can use some poetry by Lovecraft, since he died in 1937, which makes all the work he published in his lifetime in the public domain in Canada.. Unfortunately, though, like Howard his poetry doesn't seem to have been collected in book form until the mid-1950s, which makes it all under copyright in the U.S. for at least another 30 years.
>> > >
>> > > On the bright side, his fans haven't let that stop them from putting it on the Net, and the copyright holders seem to be lax about having it taken down. There are a lot of sites that have printed Lovecraft's poetry, of which this one looks like the most comprehensive
>> > >
>> > > http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/#poetry
>> >
>> > Yes, the fans of H.P. Lovecraft are, oddly, similar to those of the Grateful Dead, and the copyright holders seem to have similar stances as far as letting the material be presented on the fan sites, et cetera... the slightly harder to find works, and in the case of the Dead, almost every performance has been recorded in some form or another.
>> >
>> I changed the subject header, BTW, in the hope of making the Lovecraft links easier to find in a search later.
>> > Another poet I've been reading, actually pointed out to be by Lisa Scarboro from her "Poratble Beat" volume is the very obscure Beatnik poet Ray Bremser, who pretty much began and ended his poetry career with one 1965 small press chapbook:
>> >
>> > anyway, funk is when
>> > thelonious monk peeps
>> > above the bamboo shades
>> > to see the piana setting there,
>> > bald and bold ... monk looks at it,
>> > while the bass run and the drummer
>> > bugs him with the cymbal ... 6 days sleepless ...
>> > monk looks ... perfectly zonked and
>> > loafing on the stool ... he looks
>> > and looks
>> > and the bass and drummer meet
>> > like flys making it on the mid-air,
>> > attracting, (at least,) the ears
>> > of monk, who lifts his hands
>> > and lets them fall on the keys in
>> > commentary; with whut's funk.
>> > -Ray Bremser
>> >
>> > Read more at:
>> > http://www.blacklistedjournalist.com/column74g.html
>> >
>> > [POEMS OF MADNESS was originally published in 1965 by PAPER BOOK GALLERY and reprinted by WATER ROW PRESS, PO Box 438, Sudbury, MA 01776. These excerpts from POEMS OF MADNESS appears here with the permission of Jeffrey Weinberg, publisher of WATER ROW PRESS and literary executor of the poet's estate.]
>> >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bremser
>> >
>> > "Ray Bremser (February 22, 1934 - November 3, 1998) was an American poet. Bremser was born in Jersey City, New Jersey. He began writing poetry there and sent copies to Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso and LeRoi Jones (Imamu Amear Baraka), who published his poems in 'Yugen' and threw a big party for him when he got out of jail in 1958..."
>> Thanks for the leads. I've added Bremser into PPP, using the wiki article, and adding a few links (including the one to the above book) and a video.. I compiled a new bibliography: turns out he published at least 6 books, right up to his death in the late 90s. As a bonus, I even found (and referenced) a mention of him in a Dylan poem:
>>
>> http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_Bremser

> Quite interesting back story....!!

Good morning, yes, Ray Bremser was an interesting person as well as poet.

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 10:50:56 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>
> > George Dance wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> > George Dance wrote:
> >>
> >> > > > > > > > > Today on The Penny Blog:
> >> > > > > > > > > If Winter Remain, by Clark Ashton Smith
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Hateful, and most abhorred,
> >> > > > > > > > > about us the season
> >> > > > > > > > > of sleet, of snow and of frost
> >> > > > > > > > > reaches, and seems unending
> >> > > > > > > > > as plains whereon
> >> > > > > > > > > lashed prisoners go
> >> > > > > > > > > [...]
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-winter-remain-clark-ashton-smith.html
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Aha, I remember Clark Ashton Smith from my later childhood days, when I was steeped in Edgar Allan Poe, H.P. Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard, Baudelaire and Rimbaud, the Cthulu Mythos, and all the lurching shambling horrors that went with it. Great stuff, and very influential on the Shadowville scene.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Here's a groovy quote from C.A.S.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > "The nostalgia of things unknown, of lands forgotten or unfound, is upon me at times. Often I long for the gleam of yellow suns upon terraces of translucent azure marble, mocking the windless waters of lakes unfathomably calm; for lost, legendary palaces of serpentine, silver and ebony, whose columns are green stalactites; for the pillars of fallen temples, standing in the vast purpureal sunset of a land of lost and marvellous romance. I sigh for the dark-green depths of cedar forests, through whose fantastically woven boughs, one sees at intervals an unknown tropic ocean, like gleams of blue diamond; for isles of palm and coral, that fret an amber morning, somewhere beyond Cathay or Taprobane; for the strange and hidden cities of the desert, with burning brazen domes and slender pinnacles of gold and copper, that pierce a heaven of heated lazuli."
> >> > > > > > > > -Clark Ashton Smith, "Nostalgia of the Unknown"
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I'm glad you know of that tradition (which I didn't until I started working on PPP). I wonder if Michael does, since it's the one he actually works within. It's a shame, really; if it weren't for the Mickey Mouse Act of 1998, all their works would be public domain by now, and everyone would probably be well aware of them; but nowadays one won't find any of their poetry without digging for it.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > When I was publishing "Penny Dreadful," I corresponded with a lot fellow
> >> > > > > > writers with similar tastes (most of them living in England); and was a member > of The Doppelganger Society which published a broadsheet that focused on horror > and fantasy writings from that period.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Sorry if I was unclear. I'm sure you know a lot more about the Cthulu writers' horror fiction than I do. And I'm sure that nearly every reader has at least heard of it. I was referring to their poetry: I'd had no idea that Smith, Lovecraft, Howard, and Frank Belknap Long all wrote Romantic/Gothic poetry, too; that's the part I fear may be being forgotten. I've never read a word in any poetry texts or anthologies that I've read (mind you, that's true of a number of top-notch poets, like Vachel Lindsay and Alfred Noyes, as well). As far as academia is concerned, their poetry never existed. And, due to the absurd U.S. copyright term, the Internet can't be counted on to fill the vacuum, either.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I'm familiar with some of Lovecraft's poetry, but nothing by Smith or the others. It would be great if you could put some more of them on TPB.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'll start searching those authors today; thanks for the leads.
> >> > >
> >> > > I can use some poetry by Lovecraft, since he died in 1937, which makes all the work he published in his lifetime in the public domain in Canada. Unfortunately, though, like Howard his poetry doesn't seem to have been collected in book form until the mid-1950s, which makes it all under copyright in the U.S. for at least another 30 years.
> >> > >
> >> > > On the bright side, his fans haven't let that stop them from putting it on the Net, and the copyright holders seem to be lax about having it taken down. There are a lot of sites that have printed Lovecraft's poetry, of which this one looks like the most comprehensive
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/#poetry
> >> >
> >> > Yes, the fans of H.P. Lovecraft are, oddly, similar to those of the Grateful Dead, and the copyright holders seem to have similar stances as far as letting the material be presented on the fan sites, et cetera... the slightly harder to find works, and in the case of the Dead, almost every performance has been recorded in some form or another.
> >> >
> >> I changed the subject header, BTW, in the hope of making the Lovecraft links easier to find in a search later.
> >> > Another poet I've been reading, actually pointed out to be by Lisa Scarboro from her "Poratble Beat" volume is the very obscure Beatnik poet Ray Bremser, who pretty much began and ended his poetry career with one 1965 small press chapbook:
> >> >
> >> > anyway, funk is when
> >> > thelonious monk peeps
> >> > above the bamboo shades
> >> > to see the piana setting there,
> >> > bald and bold ... monk looks at it,
> >> > while the bass run and the drummer
> >> > bugs him with the cymbal ... 6 days sleepless ...
> >> > monk looks ... perfectly zonked and
> >> > loafing on the stool ... he looks
> >> > and looks
> >> > and the bass and drummer meet
> >> > like flys making it on the mid-air,
> >> > attracting, (at least,) the ears
> >> > of monk, who lifts his hands
> >> > and lets them fall on the keys in
> >> > commentary; with whut's funk.
> >> > -Ray Bremser
> >> >
> >> > Read more at:
> >> > http://www.blacklistedjournalist.com/column74g.html
> >> >
> >> > [POEMS OF MADNESS was originally published in 1965 by PAPER BOOK GALLERY and reprinted by WATER ROW PRESS, PO Box 438, Sudbury, MA 01776. These excerpts from POEMS OF MADNESS appears here with the permission of Jeffrey Weinberg, publisher of WATER ROW PRESS and literary executor of the poet's estate.]
> >> >
> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bremser
> >> >
> >> > "Ray Bremser (February 22, 1934 - November 3, 1998) was an American poet. Bremser was born in Jersey City, New Jersey. He began writing poetry there and sent copies to Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso and LeRoi Jones (Imamu Amear Baraka), who published his poems in 'Yugen' and threw a big party for him when he got out of jail in 1958..."
> >> Thanks for the leads. I've added Bremser into PPP, using the wiki article, and adding a few links (including the one to the above book) and a video. I compiled a new bibliography: turns out he published at least 6 books, right up to his death in the late 90s. As a bonus, I even found (and referenced) a mention of him in a Dylan poem:
> >>
> >> http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_Bremser
>
> > Quite interesting back story....!!
> Good morning, yes, Ray Bremser was an interesting person as well as poet.

Brenda Frazer tells some of his story:

https://www.beatdom.com/my-true-stories/

************************** My True Stories by Brenda Frazer, formerly Bonnie Bremser, is a collection of four previously unpublished manuscripts covering the years from 1959 to 1983. Poets and Oddfellows (1959-61), Drug City (1961-67), Artista (1967-70), and Cherry Valley Ballads and Stories (1970-83) have been kept hidden on the shelf for ages. Now Brenda provides the reader with new insights into one of the most pulsating times of the 20th century: the Beat era. Having lived together with prominent figureheads like Allen Ginsberg and his circle of friends, Frazer provides a unique and unprecedented female viewpoint.

Zod wrote:

> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 10:50:56 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>
>> > George Dance wrote:
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > George Dance wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > > > > > > > > Today on The Penny Blog:
>> >> > > > > > > > > If Winter Remain, by Clark Ashton Smith
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Hateful, and most abhorred,
>> >> > > > > > > > > about us the season
>> >> > > > > > > > > of sleet, of snow and of frost
>> >> > > > > > > > > reaches, and seems unending
>> >> > > > > > > > > as plains whereon
>> >> > > > > > > > > lashed prisoners go
>> >> > > > > > > > > [...]
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-winter-remain-clark-ashton-smith.html
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Aha, I remember Clark Ashton Smith from my later childhood days, when I was steeped in Edgar Allan Poe, H.P. Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard, Baudelaire and Rimbaud, the Cthulu Mythos, and all the lurching shambling horrors that went with it. Great stuff, and very influential on the Shadowville scene.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Here's a groovy quote from C.A.S.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > "The nostalgia of things unknown, of lands forgotten or unfound, is upon me at times. Often I long for the gleam of yellow suns upon terraces of translucent azure marble, mocking the windless waters of lakes unfathomably calm; for lost, legendary palaces of serpentine, silver and ebony, whose columns are green stalactites; for the pillars of fallen temples, standing in the vast purpureal sunset of a land of lost and marvellous romance. I sigh for the dark-green depths of cedar forests, through whose fantastically woven boughs, one sees at intervals an unknown tropic ocean, like gleams of blue diamond; for isles of palm and coral, that fret an amber morning, somewhere beyond Cathay or Taprobane; for the strange and hidden cities of the desert, with burning brazen domes and slender pinnacles of gold and copper, that pierce a heaven of heated lazuli."
>> >> > > > > > > > -Clark Ashton Smith, "Nostalgia of the Unknown"
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > I'm glad you know of that tradition (which I didn't until I started working on PPP). I wonder if Michael does, since it's the one he actually works within. It's a shame, really; if it weren't for the Mickey Mouse Act of 1998, all their works would be public domain by now, and everyone would probably be well aware of them; but nowadays one won't find any of their poetry without digging for it.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > When I was publishing "Penny Dreadful," I corresponded with a lot fellow
>> >> > > > > > writers with similar tastes (most of them living in England); and was a member > of The Doppelganger Society which published a broadsheet that focused on horror > and fantasy writings from that period.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Sorry if I was unclear. I'm sure you know a lot more about the Cthulu writers' horror fiction than I do. And I'm sure that nearly every reader has at least heard of it. I was referring to their poetry: I'd had no idea that Smith, Lovecraft, Howard, and Frank Belknap Long all wrote Romantic/Gothic poetry, too; that's the part I fear may be being forgotten. I've never read a word in any poetry texts or anthologies that I've read (mind you, that's true of a number of top-notch poets, like Vachel Lindsay and Alfred Noyes, as well). As far as academia is concerned, their poetry never existed. And, due to the absurd U.S. copyright term, the Internet can't be counted on to fill the vacuum, either.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I'm familiar with some of Lovecraft's poetry, but nothing by Smith or the others. It would be great if you could put some more of them on TPB.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I'll start searching those authors today; thanks for the leads.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I can use some poetry by Lovecraft, since he died in 1937, which makes all the work he published in his lifetime in the public domain in Canada. Unfortunately, though, like Howard his poetry doesn't seem to have been collected in book form until the mid-1950s, which makes it all under copyright in the U.S. for at least another 30 years.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On the bright side, his fans haven't let that stop them from putting it on the Net, and the copyright holders seem to be lax about having it taken down. There are a lot of sites that have printed Lovecraft's poetry, of which this one looks like the most comprehensive
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/#poetry
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, the fans of H.P. Lovecraft are, oddly, similar to those of the Grateful Dead, and the copyright holders seem to have similar stances as far as letting the material be presented on the fan sites, et cetera... the slightly harder to find works, and in the case of the Dead, almost every performance has been recorded in some form or another.
>> >> >
>> >> I changed the subject header, BTW, in the hope of making the Lovecraft links easier to find in a search later.
>> >> > Another poet I've been reading, actually pointed out to be by Lisa Scarboro from her "Poratble Beat" volume is the very obscure Beatnik poet Ray Bremser, who pretty much began and ended his poetry career with one 1965 small press chapbook:
>> >> >
>> >> > anyway, funk is when
>> >> > thelonious monk peeps
>> >> > above the bamboo shades
>> >> > to see the piana setting there,
>> >> > bald and bold ... monk looks at it,
>> >> > while the bass run and the drummer
>> >> > bugs him with the cymbal ... 6 days sleepless ...
>> >> > monk looks ... perfectly zonked and
>> >> > loafing on the stool ... he looks
>> >> > and looks
>> >> > and the bass and drummer meet
>> >> > like flys making it on the mid-air,
>> >> > attracting, (at least,) the ears
>> >> > of monk, who lifts his hands
>> >> > and lets them fall on the keys in
>> >> > commentary; with whut's funk.
>> >> > -Ray Bremser
>> >> >
>> >> > Read more at:
>> >> > http://www.blacklistedjournalist.com/column74g.html
>> >> >
>> >> > [POEMS OF MADNESS was originally published in 1965 by PAPER BOOK GALLERY and reprinted by WATER ROW PRESS, PO Box 438, Sudbury, MA 01776. These excerpts from POEMS OF MADNESS appears here with the permission of Jeffrey Weinberg, publisher of WATER ROW PRESS and literary executor of the poet's estate.]
>> >> >
>> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bremser
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ray Bremser (February 22, 1934 - November 3, 1998) was an American poet. Bremser was born in Jersey City, New Jersey. He began writing poetry there and sent copies to Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso and LeRoi Jones (Imamu Amear Baraka), who published his poems in 'Yugen' and threw a big party for him when he got out of jail in 1958..."
>> >> Thanks for the leads. I've added Bremser into PPP, using the wiki article, and adding a few links (including the one to the above book) and a video. I compiled a new bibliography: turns out he published at least 6 books, right up to his death in the late 90s. As a bonus, I even found (and referenced) a mention of him in a Dylan poem:
>> >>
>> >> http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_Bremser
>>
>> > Quite interesting back story....!!
>> Good morning, yes, Ray Bremser was an interesting person as well as poet.

> Brenda Frazer tells some of his story:

> https://www.beatdom.com/my-true-stories/

> ************************** My True Stories by Brenda Frazer, formerly Bonnie Bremser, is a collection of four previously unpublished manuscripts covering the years from 1959 to 1983. Poets and Oddfellows (1959-61), Drug City (1961-67), Artista (1967-70), and Cherry Valley Ballads and Stories (1970-83) have been kept hidden on the shelf for ages. Now Brenda provides the reader with new insights into one of the most pulsating times of the 20th century: the Beat era. Having lived together with prominent figureheads like Allen Ginsberg and his circle of friends, Frazer provides a unique and unprecedented female viewpoint.

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 4:22:59 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 10:50:56 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Zod wrote:
> >
> > > George Dance wrote:
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > George Dance wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > > > > > > > > Today on The Penny Blog:
> > >> > > > > > > > > If Winter Remain, by Clark Ashton Smith
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > Hateful, and most abhorred,
> > >> > > > > > > > > about us the season
> > >> > > > > > > > > of sleet, of snow and of frost
> > >> > > > > > > > > reaches, and seems unending
> > >> > > > > > > > > as plains whereon
> > >> > > > > > > > > lashed prisoners go
> > >> > > > > > > > > [...]
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-winter-remain-clark-ashton-smith.html
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Aha, I remember Clark Ashton Smith from my later childhood days, when I was steeped in Edgar Allan Poe, H.P. Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard, Baudelaire and Rimbaud, the Cthulu Mythos, and all the lurching shambling horrors that went with it. Great stuff, and very influential on the Shadowville scene.
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Here's a groovy quote from C.A.S.
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > "The nostalgia of things unknown, of lands forgotten or unfound, is upon me at times. Often I long for the gleam of yellow suns upon terraces of translucent azure marble, mocking the windless waters of lakes unfathomably calm; for lost, legendary palaces of serpentine, silver and ebony, whose columns are green stalactites; for the pillars of fallen temples, standing in the vast purpureal sunset of a land of lost and marvellous romance. I sigh for the dark-green depths of cedar forests, through whose fantastically woven boughs, one sees at intervals an unknown tropic ocean, like gleams of blue diamond; for isles of palm and coral, that fret an amber morning, somewhere beyond Cathay or Taprobane; for the strange and hidden cities of the desert, with burning brazen domes and slender pinnacles of gold and copper, that pierce a heaven of heated lazuli."
> > >> > > > > > > > -Clark Ashton Smith, "Nostalgia of the Unknown"
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > I'm glad you know of that tradition (which I didn't until I started working on PPP). I wonder if Michael does, since it's the one he actually works within. It's a shame, really; if it weren't for the Mickey Mouse Act of 1998, all their works would be public domain by now, and everyone would probably be well aware of them; but nowadays one won't find any of their poetry without digging for it.
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > When I was publishing "Penny Dreadful," I corresponded with a lot fellow
> > >> > > > > > writers with similar tastes (most of them living in England); and was a member > of The Doppelganger Society which published a broadsheet that focused on horror > and fantasy writings from that period.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Sorry if I was unclear. I'm sure you know a lot more about the Cthulu writers' horror fiction than I do. And I'm sure that nearly every reader has at least heard of it. I was referring to their poetry: I'd had no idea that Smith, Lovecraft, Howard, and Frank Belknap Long all wrote Romantic/Gothic poetry, too; that's the part I fear may be being forgotten. I've never read a word in any poetry texts or anthologies that I've read (mind you, that's true of a number of top-notch poets, like Vachel Lindsay and Alfred Noyes, as well). As far as academia is concerned, their poetry never existed. And, due to the absurd U.S. copyright term, the Internet can't be counted on to fill the vacuum, either.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I'm familiar with some of Lovecraft's poetry, but nothing by Smith or the others. It would be great if you could put some more of them on TPB.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I'll start searching those authors today; thanks for the leads.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I can use some poetry by Lovecraft, since he died in 1937, which makes all the work he published in his lifetime in the public domain in Canada. Unfortunately, though, like Howard his poetry doesn't seem to have been collected in book form until the mid-1950s, which makes it all under copyright in the U.S. for at least another 30 years.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On the bright side, his fans haven't let that stop them from putting it on the Net, and the copyright holders seem to be lax about having it taken down. There are a lot of sites that have printed Lovecraft's poetry, of which this one looks like the most comprehensive
> > >> > >
> > >> > > http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/#poetry
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, the fans of H.P. Lovecraft are, oddly, similar to those of the Grateful Dead, and the copyright holders seem to have similar stances as far as letting the material be presented on the fan sites, et cetera... the slightly harder to find works, and in the case of the Dead, almost every performance has been recorded in some form or another.
> > >> >
> > >> I changed the subject header, BTW, in the hope of making the Lovecraft links easier to find in a search later.
> > >> > Another poet I've been reading, actually pointed out to be by Lisa Scarboro from her "Poratble Beat" volume is the very obscure Beatnik poet Ray Bremser, who pretty much began and ended his poetry career with one 1965 small press chapbook:
> > >> >
> > >> > anyway, funk is when
> > >> > thelonious monk peeps
> > >> > above the bamboo shades
> > >> > to see the piana setting there,
> > >> > bald and bold ... monk looks at it,
> > >> > while the bass run and the drummer
> > >> > bugs him with the cymbal ... 6 days sleepless ...
> > >> > monk looks ... perfectly zonked and
> > >> > loafing on the stool ... he looks
> > >> > and looks
> > >> > and the bass and drummer meet
> > >> > like flys making it on the mid-air,
> > >> > attracting, (at least,) the ears
> > >> > of monk, who lifts his hands
> > >> > and lets them fall on the keys in
> > >> > commentary; with whut's funk.
> > >> > -Ray Bremser
> > >> >
> > >> > Read more at:
> > >> > http://www.blacklistedjournalist.com/column74g.html
> > >> >
> > >> > [POEMS OF MADNESS was originally published in 1965 by PAPER BOOK GALLERY and reprinted by WATER ROW PRESS, PO Box 438, Sudbury, MA 01776. These excerpts from POEMS OF MADNESS appears here with the permission of Jeffrey Weinberg, publisher of WATER ROW PRESS and literary executor of the poet's estate.]
> > >> >
> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bremser
> > >> >
> > >> > "Ray Bremser (February 22, 1934 - November 3, 1998) was an American poet. Bremser was born in Jersey City, New Jersey. He began writing poetry there and sent copies to Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso and LeRoi Jones (Imamu Amear Baraka), who published his poems in 'Yugen' and threw a big party for him when he got out of jail in 1958..."
> > >> Thanks for the leads. I've added Bremser into PPP, using the wiki article, and adding a few links (including the one to the above book) and a video. I compiled a new bibliography: turns out he published at least 6 books, right up to his death in the late 90s. As a bonus, I even found (and referenced) a mention of him in a Dylan poem:
> > >>
> > >> http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_Bremser
> >
> > > Quite interesting back story....!!
> > Good morning, yes, Ray Bremser was an interesting person as well as poet.
> Brenda Frazer tells some of his story:
>
> https://www.beatdom.com/my-true-stories/
>
> ************************** My True Stories by Brenda Frazer, formerly Bonnie Bremser, is a collection of four previously unpublished manuscripts covering the years from 1959 to 1983. Poets and Oddfellows (1959-61), Drug City (1961-67), Artista (1967-70), and Cherry Valley Ballads and Stories (1970-83) have been kept hidden on the shelf for ages. Now Brenda provides the reader with new insights into one of the most pulsating times of the 20th century: the Beat era. Having lived together with prominent figureheads like Allen Ginsberg and his circle of friends, Frazer provides a unique and unprecedented female viewpoint.
>
> The first book of the series, Poets and Oddfellows spans the turbulent years 1959-61 after Brenda had met and married Beat poet Ray Bremser. Written during the 1990s, it is the first book in the series, and it depicts her first meeting with poet Ray and the first months of their relationship. The events in Poets and Oddfellows are the pre-story to Troia: Mexican Memoirs (first published in 1969 and reissued by Dalkey Archive Press in 2007). “I had taken a fancy in describing my experiences in NYC in the booming ’60s, and also to resolve my feelings of deep love and disappointment for Ray Bremser. I was a ‘fool for love’ as Ray Charles sang it. Young love and the injustice we suffered under the law in New Jersey,” Brenda writes. In Poets and Oddfellows, the Bremsers try to reach a unifying spiritual state through marijuana and hallucinogens. Peyote, magic mushrooms, and marijuana strengthen Brenda’s conviction that her dedication to Ray is never-ending. ******************************

Zod wrote:

> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 10:50:56 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>
>> > George Dance wrote:
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > George Dance wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > > > > > > > > Today on The Penny Blog:
>> >> > > > > > > > > If Winter Remain, by Clark Ashton Smith
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Hateful, and most abhorred,
>> >> > > > > > > > > about us the season
>> >> > > > > > > > > of sleet, of snow and of frost
>> >> > > > > > > > > reaches, and seems unending
>> >> > > > > > > > > as plains whereon
>> >> > > > > > > > > lashed prisoners go
>> >> > > > > > > > > [...]
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-winter-remain-clark-ashton-smith.html
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Aha, I remember Clark Ashton Smith from my later childhood days, when I was steeped in Edgar Allan Poe, H.P. Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard, Baudelaire and Rimbaud, the Cthulu Mythos, and all the lurching shambling horrors that went with it. Great stuff, and very influential on the Shadowville scene.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Here's a groovy quote from C.A.S.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > "The nostalgia of things unknown, of lands forgotten or unfound, is upon me at times. Often I long for the gleam of yellow suns upon terraces of translucent azure marble, mocking the windless waters of lakes unfathomably calm; for lost, legendary palaces of serpentine, silver and ebony, whose columns are green stalactites; for the pillars of fallen temples, standing in the vast purpureal sunset of a land of lost and marvellous romance. I sigh for the dark-green depths of cedar forests, through whose fantastically woven boughs, one sees at intervals an unknown tropic ocean, like gleams of blue diamond; for isles of palm and coral, that fret an amber morning, somewhere beyond Cathay or Taprobane; for the strange and hidden cities of the desert, with burning brazen domes and slender pinnacles of gold and copper, that pierce a heaven of heated lazuli."
>> >> > > > > > > > -Clark Ashton Smith, "Nostalgia of the Unknown"
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > I'm glad you know of that tradition (which I didn't until I started working on PPP). I wonder if Michael does, since it's the one he actually works within. It's a shame, really; if it weren't for the Mickey Mouse Act of 1998, all their works would be public domain by now, and everyone would probably be well aware of them; but nowadays one won't find any of their poetry without digging for it.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > When I was publishing "Penny Dreadful," I corresponded with a lot fellow
>> >> > > > > > writers with similar tastes (most of them living in England); and was a member > of The Doppelganger Society which published a broadsheet that focused on horror > and fantasy writings from that period.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Sorry if I was unclear. I'm sure you know a lot more about the Cthulu writers' horror fiction than I do. And I'm sure that nearly every reader has at least heard of it. I was referring to their poetry: I'd had no idea that Smith, Lovecraft, Howard, and Frank Belknap Long all wrote Romantic/Gothic poetry, too; that's the part I fear may be being forgotten. I've never read a word in any poetry texts or anthologies that I've read (mind you, that's true of a number of top-notch poets, like Vachel Lindsay and Alfred Noyes, as well). As far as academia is concerned, their poetry never existed. And, due to the absurd U.S. copyright term, the Internet can't be counted on to fill the vacuum, either.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I'm familiar with some of Lovecraft's poetry, but nothing by Smith or the others. It would be great if you could put some more of them on TPB.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I'll start searching those authors today; thanks for the leads.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I can use some poetry by Lovecraft, since he died in 1937, which makes all the work he published in his lifetime in the public domain in Canada. Unfortunately, though, like Howard his poetry doesn't seem to have been collected in book form until the mid-1950s, which makes it all under copyright in the U.S. for at least another 30 years.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On the bright side, his fans haven't let that stop them from putting it on the Net, and the copyright holders seem to be lax about having it taken down. There are a lot of sites that have printed Lovecraft's poetry, of which this one looks like the most comprehensive
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/#poetry
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, the fans of H.P. Lovecraft are, oddly, similar to those of the Grateful Dead, and the copyright holders seem to have similar stances as far as letting the material be presented on the fan sites, et cetera... the slightly harder to find works, and in the case of the Dead, almost every performance has been recorded in some form or another.
>> >> >
>> >> I changed the subject header, BTW, in the hope of making the Lovecraft links easier to find in a search later.
>> >> > Another poet I've been reading, actually pointed out to be by Lisa Scarboro from her "Poratble Beat" volume is the very obscure Beatnik poet Ray Bremser, who pretty much began and ended his poetry career with one 1965 small press chapbook:
>> >> >
>> >> > anyway, funk is when
>> >> > thelonious monk peeps
>> >> > above the bamboo shades
>> >> > to see the piana setting there,
>> >> > bald and bold ... monk looks at it,
>> >> > while the bass run and the drummer
>> >> > bugs him with the cymbal ... 6 days sleepless ...
>> >> > monk looks ... perfectly zonked and
>> >> > loafing on the stool ... he looks
>> >> > and looks
>> >> > and the bass and drummer meet
>> >> > like flys making it on the mid-air,
>> >> > attracting, (at least,) the ears
>> >> > of monk, who lifts his hands
>> >> > and lets them fall on the keys in
>> >> > commentary; with whut's funk.
>> >> > -Ray Bremser
>> >> >
>> >> > Read more at:
>> >> > http://www.blacklistedjournalist.com/column74g.html
>> >> >
>> >> > [POEMS OF MADNESS was originally published in 1965 by PAPER BOOK GALLERY and reprinted by WATER ROW PRESS, PO Box 438, Sudbury, MA 01776. These excerpts from POEMS OF MADNESS appears here with the permission of Jeffrey Weinberg, publisher of WATER ROW PRESS and literary executor of the poet's estate.]
>> >> >
>> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bremser
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ray Bremser (February 22, 1934 - November 3, 1998) was an American poet. Bremser was born in Jersey City, New Jersey. He began writing poetry there and sent copies to Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso and LeRoi Jones (Imamu Amear Baraka), who published his poems in 'Yugen' and threw a big party for him when he got out of jail in 1958..."
>> >> Thanks for the leads. I've added Bremser into PPP, using the wiki article, and adding a few links (including the one to the above book) and a video. I compiled a new bibliography: turns out he published at least 6 books, right up to his death in the late 90s. As a bonus, I even found (and referenced) a mention of him in a Dylan poem:
>> >>
>> >> http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_Bremser
>>
>> > Quite interesting back story....!!
>> Good morning, yes, Ray Bremser was an interesting person as well as poet.

> Brenda Frazer tells some of his story:

> https://www.beatdom.com/my-true-stories/

> ************************** My True Stories by Brenda Frazer, formerly Bonnie Bremser, is a collection of four previously unpublished manuscripts covering the years from 1959 to 1983. Poets and Oddfellows (1959-61), Drug City (1961-67), Artista (1967-70), and Cherry Valley Ballads and Stories (1970-83) have been kept hidden on the shelf for ages. Now Brenda provides the reader with new insights into one of the most pulsating times of the 20th century: the Beat era. Having lived together with prominent figureheads like Allen Ginsberg and his circle of friends, Frazer provides a unique and unprecedented female viewpoint.

Zod wrote:

> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 10:50:56 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>
>> > George Dance wrote:
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > George Dance wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > > > > > > > > Today on The Penny Blog:
>> >> > > > > > > > > If Winter Remain, by Clark Ashton Smith
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Hateful, and most abhorred,
>> >> > > > > > > > > about us the season
>> >> > > > > > > > > of sleet, of snow and of frost
>> >> > > > > > > > > reaches, and seems unending
>> >> > > > > > > > > as plains whereon
>> >> > > > > > > > > lashed prisoners go
>> >> > > > > > > > > [...]
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-winter-remain-clark-ashton-smith.html
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Aha, I remember Clark Ashton Smith from my later childhood days, when I was steeped in Edgar Allan Poe, H.P. Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard, Baudelaire and Rimbaud, the Cthulu Mythos, and all the lurching shambling horrors that went with it. Great stuff, and very influential on the Shadowville scene.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Here's a groovy quote from C.A.S.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > "The nostalgia of things unknown, of lands forgotten or unfound, is upon me at times. Often I long for the gleam of yellow suns upon terraces of translucent azure marble, mocking the windless waters of lakes unfathomably calm; for lost, legendary palaces of serpentine, silver and ebony, whose columns are green stalactites; for the pillars of fallen temples, standing in the vast purpureal sunset of a land of lost and marvellous romance. I sigh for the dark-green depths of cedar forests, through whose fantastically woven boughs, one sees at intervals an unknown tropic ocean, like gleams of blue diamond; for isles of palm and coral, that fret an amber morning, somewhere beyond Cathay or Taprobane; for the strange and hidden cities of the desert, with burning brazen domes and slender pinnacles of gold and copper, that pierce a heaven of heated lazuli."
>> >> > > > > > > > -Clark Ashton Smith, "Nostalgia of the Unknown"
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > I'm glad you know of that tradition (which I didn't until I started working on PPP). I wonder if Michael does, since it's the one he actually works within. It's a shame, really; if it weren't for the Mickey Mouse Act of 1998, all their works would be public domain by now, and everyone would probably be well aware of them; but nowadays one won't find any of their poetry without digging for it.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > When I was publishing "Penny Dreadful," I corresponded with a lot fellow
>> >> > > > > > writers with similar tastes (most of them living in England); and was a member > of The Doppelganger Society which published a broadsheet that focused on horror > and fantasy writings from that period.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Sorry if I was unclear. I'm sure you know a lot more about the Cthulu writers' horror fiction than I do. And I'm sure that nearly every reader has at least heard of it. I was referring to their poetry: I'd had no idea that Smith, Lovecraft, Howard, and Frank Belknap Long all wrote Romantic/Gothic poetry, too; that's the part I fear may be being forgotten. I've never read a word in any poetry texts or anthologies that I've read (mind you, that's true of a number of top-notch poets, like Vachel Lindsay and Alfred Noyes, as well). As far as academia is concerned, their poetry never existed. And, due to the absurd U.S. copyright term, the Internet can't be counted on to fill the vacuum, either.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I'm familiar with some of Lovecraft's poetry, but nothing by Smith or the others. It would be great if you could put some more of them on TPB.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I'll start searching those authors today; thanks for the leads.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I can use some poetry by Lovecraft, since he died in 1937, which makes all the work he published in his lifetime in the public domain in Canada. Unfortunately, though, like Howard his poetry doesn't seem to have been collected in book form until the mid-1950s, which makes it all under copyright in the U.S. for at least another 30 years.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On the bright side, his fans haven't let that stop them from putting it on the Net, and the copyright holders seem to be lax about having it taken down. There are a lot of sites that have printed Lovecraft's poetry, of which this one looks like the most comprehensive
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/#poetry
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, the fans of H.P. Lovecraft are, oddly, similar to those of the Grateful Dead, and the copyright holders seem to have similar stances as far as letting the material be presented on the fan sites, et cetera... the slightly harder to find works, and in the case of the Dead, almost every performance has been recorded in some form or another.
>> >> >
>> >> I changed the subject header, BTW, in the hope of making the Lovecraft links easier to find in a search later.
>> >> > Another poet I've been reading, actually pointed out to be by Lisa Scarboro from her "Poratble Beat" volume is the very obscure Beatnik poet Ray Bremser, who pretty much began and ended his poetry career with one 1965 small press chapbook:
>> >> >
>> >> > anyway, funk is when
>> >> > thelonious monk peeps
>> >> > above the bamboo shades
>> >> > to see the piana setting there,
>> >> > bald and bold ... monk looks at it,
>> >> > while the bass run and the drummer
>> >> > bugs him with the cymbal ... 6 days sleepless ...
>> >> > monk looks ... perfectly zonked and
>> >> > loafing on the stool ... he looks
>> >> > and looks
>> >> > and the bass and drummer meet
>> >> > like flys making it on the mid-air,
>> >> > attracting, (at least,) the ears
>> >> > of monk, who lifts his hands
>> >> > and lets them fall on the keys in
>> >> > commentary; with whut's funk.
>> >> > -Ray Bremser
>> >> >
>> >> > Read more at:
>> >> > http://www.blacklistedjournalist.com/column74g.html
>> >> >
>> >> > [POEMS OF MADNESS was originally published in 1965 by PAPER BOOK GALLERY and reprinted by WATER ROW PRESS, PO Box 438, Sudbury, MA 01776. These excerpts from POEMS OF MADNESS appears here with the permission of Jeffrey Weinberg, publisher of WATER ROW PRESS and literary executor of the poet's estate.]
>> >> >
>> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bremser
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ray Bremser (February 22, 1934 - November 3, 1998) was an American poet. Bremser was born in Jersey City, New Jersey. He began writing poetry there and sent copies to Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso and LeRoi Jones (Imamu Amear Baraka), who published his poems in 'Yugen' and threw a big party for him when he got out of jail in 1958..."
>> >> Thanks for the leads. I've added Bremser into PPP, using the wiki article, and adding a few links (including the one to the above book) and a video. I compiled a new bibliography: turns out he published at least 6 books, right up to his death in the late 90s. As a bonus, I even found (and referenced) a mention of him in a Dylan poem:
>> >>
>> >> http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_Bremser
>>
>> > Quite interesting back story....!!
>> Good morning, yes, Ray Bremser was an interesting person as well as poet.

> Brenda Frazer tells some of his story:

> https://www.beatdom.com/my-true-stories/

> ************************** My True Stories by Brenda Frazer, formerly Bonnie Bremser, is a collection of four previously unpublished manuscripts covering the years from 1959 to 1983. Poets and Oddfellows (1959-61), Drug City (1961-67), Artista (1967-70), and Cherry Valley Ballads and Stories (1970-83) have been kept hidden on the shelf for ages. Now Brenda provides the reader with new insights into one of the most pulsating times of the 20th century: the Beat era. Having lived together with prominent figureheads like Allen Ginsberg and his circle of friends, Frazer provides a unique and unprecedented female viewpoint.

Will Dockery wrote:

> Zod wrote:

>> George Dance wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>> > George Dance wrote:
>>>
>>> > > > > > > > > Today on The Penny Blog:
>>> > > > > > > > > If Winter Remain, by Clark Ashton Smith
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > Hateful, and most abhorred,
>>> > > > > > > > > about us the season
>>> > > > > > > > > of sleet, of snow and of frost
>>> > > > > > > > > reaches, and seems unending
>>> > > > > > > > > as plains whereon
>>> > > > > > > > > lashed prisoners go
>>> > > > > > > > > [...]
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-winter-remain-clark-ashton-smith.html
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Aha, I remember Clark Ashton Smith from my later childhood days, when I was steeped in Edgar Allan Poe, H.P. Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard, Baudelaire and Rimbaud, the Cthulu Mythos, and all the lurching shambling horrors that went with it. Great stuff, and very influential on the Shadowville scene.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Here's a groovy quote from C.A.S.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > "The nostalgia of things unknown, of lands forgotten or unfound, is upon me at times. Often I long for the gleam of yellow suns upon terraces of translucent azure marble, mocking the windless waters of lakes unfathomably calm; for lost, legendary palaces of serpentine, silver and ebony, whose columns are green stalactites; for the pillars of fallen temples, standing in the vast purpureal sunset of a land of lost and marvellous romance. I sigh for the dark-green depths of cedar forests, through whose fantastically woven boughs, one sees at intervals an unknown tropic ocean, like gleams of blue diamond; for isles of palm and coral, that fret an amber morning, somewhere beyond Cathay or Taprobane; for the strange and hidden cities of the desert, with burning brazen domes and slender pinnacles of gold and copper, that pierce a heaven of heated lazuli."
>>> > > > > > > > -Clark Ashton Smith, "Nostalgia of the Unknown"
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > I'm glad you know of that tradition (which I didn't until I started working on PPP). I wonder if Michael does, since it's the one he actually works within. It's a shame, really; if it weren't for the Mickey Mouse Act of 1998, all their works would be public domain by now, and everyone would probably be well aware of them; but nowadays one won't find any of their poetry without digging for it.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > When I was publishing "Penny Dreadful," I corresponded with a lot fellow
>>> > > > > > writers with similar tastes (most of them living in England); and was a member > of The Doppelganger Society which published a broadsheet that focused on horror > and fantasy writings from that period.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Sorry if I was unclear. I'm sure you know a lot more about the Cthulu writers' horror fiction than I do. And I'm sure that nearly every reader has at least heard of it. I was referring to their poetry: I'd had no idea that Smith, Lovecraft, Howard, and Frank Belknap Long all wrote Romantic/Gothic poetry, too; that's the part I fear may be being forgotten. I've never read a word in any poetry texts or anthologies that I've read (mind you, that's true of a number of top-notch poets, like Vachel Lindsay and Alfred Noyes, as well). As far as academia is concerned, their poetry never existed. And, due to the absurd U.S. copyright term, the Internet can't be counted on to fill the vacuum, either.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I'm familiar with some of Lovecraft's poetry, but nothing by Smith or the others. It would be great if you could put some more of them on TPB..
>>> > >
>>> > > I'll start searching those authors today; thanks for the leads.
>>> > >
>>> > > I can use some poetry by Lovecraft, since he died in 1937, which makes all the work he published in his lifetime in the public domain in Canada.. Unfortunately, though, like Howard his poetry doesn't seem to have been collected in book form until the mid-1950s, which makes it all under copyright in the U.S. for at least another 30 years.
>>> > >
>>> > > On the bright side, his fans haven't let that stop them from putting it on the Net, and the copyright holders seem to be lax about having it taken down. There are a lot of sites that have printed Lovecraft's poetry, of which this one looks like the most comprehensive
>>> > >
>>> > > http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/#poetry
>>> >
>>> > Yes, the fans of H.P. Lovecraft are, oddly, similar to those of the Grateful Dead, and the copyright holders seem to have similar stances as far as letting the material be presented on the fan sites, et cetera... the slightly harder to find works, and in the case of the Dead, almost every performance has been recorded in some form or another.
>>> >
>>> I changed the subject header, BTW, in the hope of making the Lovecraft links easier to find in a search later.
>>> > Another poet I've been reading, actually pointed out to be by Lisa Scarboro from her "Poratble Beat" volume is the very obscure Beatnik poet Ray Bremser, who pretty much began and ended his poetry career with one 1965 small press chapbook:
>>> >
>>> > anyway, funk is when
>>> > thelonious monk peeps
>>> > above the bamboo shades
>>> > to see the piana setting there,
>>> > bald and bold ... monk looks at it,
>>> > while the bass run and the drummer
>>> > bugs him with the cymbal ... 6 days sleepless ...
>>> > monk looks ... perfectly zonked and
>>> > loafing on the stool ... he looks
>>> > and looks
>>> > and the bass and drummer meet
>>> > like flys making it on the mid-air,
>>> > attracting, (at least,) the ears
>>> > of monk, who lifts his hands
>>> > and lets them fall on the keys in
>>> > commentary; with whut's funk.
>>> > -Ray Bremser
>>> >
>>> > Read more at:
>>> > http://www.blacklistedjournalist.com/column74g.html
>>> >
>>> > [POEMS OF MADNESS was originally published in 1965 by PAPER BOOK GALLERY and reprinted by WATER ROW PRESS, PO Box 438, Sudbury, MA 01776. These excerpts from POEMS OF MADNESS appears here with the permission of Jeffrey Weinberg, publisher of WATER ROW PRESS and literary executor of the poet's estate.]
>>> >
>>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bremser
>>> >
>>> > "Ray Bremser (February 22, 1934 - November 3, 1998) was an American poet. Bremser was born in Jersey City, New Jersey. He began writing poetry there and sent copies to Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso and LeRoi Jones (Imamu Amear Baraka), who published his poems in 'Yugen' and threw a big party for him when he got out of jail in 1958..."
>>> Thanks for the leads. I've added Bremser into PPP, using the wiki article, and adding a few links (including the one to the above book) and a video.. I compiled a new bibliography: turns out he published at least 6 books, right up to his death in the late 90s. As a bonus, I even found (and referenced) a mention of him in a Dylan poem:
>>>
>>> http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_Bremser

>> Quite interesting back story....!!

> Good morning, yes, Ray Bremser was an interesting person as well as poet.

Here is a lovely tribute to Ray B.

https://www.thirdmindbooks.com/pages/books/3972/michael-buchenroth-ray-bremser/four-beats-diverged-in-ginsbergs-woods

***** Written on the occasion of the Ray Bremser Memorial held in Cherry Valley, NY at Allen Ginsberg's farm in 1998, poet-publisher (and Beat student/devotee) Michael Buchenroth brings us the elegiac and powerful "Four Beats Diverged in Ginsberg's Woods ********

"Indeed, ole Al convinced us / to turn left there just past / where that ole yellow car sat / there at the first T in that dirt path / after leaving Ginsberg's Committee. / Shortly, Joe's big Buick comenced (sic) to lurch-- / four burnt out beatnik hippies / in a beat blue Buick lurch'n down this eternal short cut, / that I suppose Charlie [Plymell] might have had in mind / when he wrote the line / about the "totem slope of time" / in Baltimore there at Poe's Grave..." Michael Buchenroth

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>>> George Dance wrote:
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>>>> > George Dance wrote:
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>>>> > > > > > > > > Today on The Penny Blog:
>>>> > > > > > > > > If Winter Remain, by Clark Ashton Smith
>>>> > > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > > Hateful, and most abhorred,
>>>> > > > > > > > > about us the season
>>>> > > > > > > > > of sleet, of snow and of frost
>>>> > > > > > > > > reaches, and seems unending
>>>> > > > > > > > > as plains whereon
>>>> > > > > > > > > lashed prisoners go
>>>> > > > > > > > > [...]
>>>> > > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > > http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-winter-remain-clark-ashton-smith.html
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > Aha, I remember Clark Ashton Smith from my later childhood days, when I was steeped in Edgar Allan Poe, H.P. Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard, Baudelaire and Rimbaud, the Cthulu Mythos, and all the lurching shambling horrors that went with it. Great stuff, and very influential on the Shadowville scene.
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > Here's a groovy quote from C.A.S.
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > "The nostalgia of things unknown, of lands forgotten or unfound, is upon me at times. Often I long for the gleam of yellow suns upon terraces of translucent azure marble, mocking the windless waters of lakes unfathomably calm; for lost, legendary palaces of serpentine, silver and ebony, whose columns are green stalactites; for the pillars of fallen temples, standing in the vast purpureal sunset of a land of lost and marvellous romance. I sigh for the dark-green depths of cedar forests, through whose fantastically woven boughs, one sees at intervals an unknown tropic ocean, like gleams of blue diamond; for isles of palm and coral, that fret an amber morning, somewhere beyond Cathay or Taprobane; for the strange and hidden cities of the desert, with burning brazen domes and slender pinnacles of gold and copper, that pierce a heaven of heated lazuli."
>>>> > > > > > > > -Clark Ashton Smith, "Nostalgia of the Unknown"
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > I'm glad you know of that tradition (which I didn't until I started working on PPP). I wonder if Michael does, since it's the one he actually works within. It's a shame, really; if it weren't for the Mickey Mouse Act of 1998, all their works would be public domain by now, and everyone would probably be well aware of them; but nowadays one won't find any of their poetry without digging for it.
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>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > When I was publishing "Penny Dreadful," I corresponded with a lot fellow
>>>> > > > > > writers with similar tastes (most of them living in England); and was a member > of The Doppelganger Society which published a broadsheet that focused on horror > and fantasy writings from that period.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Sorry if I was unclear. I'm sure you know a lot more about the Cthulu writers' horror fiction than I do. And I'm sure that nearly every reader has at least heard of it. I was referring to their poetry: I'd had no idea that Smith, Lovecraft, Howard, and Frank Belknap Long all wrote Romantic/Gothic poetry, too; that's the part I fear may be being forgotten. I've never read a word in any poetry texts or anthologies that I've read (mind you, that's true of a number of top-notch poets, like Vachel Lindsay and Alfred Noyes, as well). As far as academia is concerned, their poetry never existed. And, due to the absurd U.S. copyright term, the Internet can't be counted on to fill the vacuum, either.
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>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > I'm familiar with some of Lovecraft's poetry, but nothing by Smith or the others. It would be great if you could put some more of them on TPB..
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I'll start searching those authors today; thanks for the leads.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I can use some poetry by Lovecraft, since he died in 1937, which makes all the work he published in his lifetime in the public domain in Canada.. Unfortunately, though, like Howard his poetry doesn't seem to have been collected in book form until the mid-1950s, which makes it all under copyright in the U.S. for at least another 30 years.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On the bright side, his fans haven't let that stop them from putting it on the Net, and the copyright holders seem to be lax about having it taken down. There are a lot of sites that have printed Lovecraft's poetry, of which this one looks like the most comprehensive
>>>> > >
>>>> > > http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/#poetry
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes, the fans of H.P. Lovecraft are, oddly, similar to those of the Grateful Dead, and the copyright holders seem to have similar stances as far as letting the material be presented on the fan sites, et cetera... the slightly harder to find works, and in the case of the Dead, almost every performance has been recorded in some form or another.
>>>> >
>>>> I changed the subject header, BTW, in the hope of making the Lovecraft links easier to find in a search later.
>>>> > Another poet I've been reading, actually pointed out to be by Lisa Scarboro from her "Poratble Beat" volume is the very obscure Beatnik poet Ray Bremser, who pretty much began and ended his poetry career with one 1965 small press chapbook:
>>>> >
>>>> > anyway, funk is when
>>>> > thelonious monk peeps
>>>> > above the bamboo shades
>>>> > to see the piana setting there,
>>>> > bald and bold ... monk looks at it,
>>>> > while the bass run and the drummer
>>>> > bugs him with the cymbal ... 6 days sleepless ...
>>>> > monk looks ... perfectly zonked and
>>>> > loafing on the stool ... he looks
>>>> > and looks
>>>> > and the bass and drummer meet
>>>> > like flys making it on the mid-air,
>>>> > attracting, (at least,) the ears
>>>> > of monk, who lifts his hands
>>>> > and lets them fall on the keys in
>>>> > commentary; with whut's funk.
>>>> > -Ray Bremser
>>>> >
>>>> > Read more at:
>>>> > http://www.blacklistedjournalist.com/column74g.html
>>>> >
>>>> > [POEMS OF MADNESS was originally published in 1965 by PAPER BOOK GALLERY and reprinted by WATER ROW PRESS, PO Box 438, Sudbury, MA 01776. These excerpts from POEMS OF MADNESS appears here with the permission of Jeffrey Weinberg, publisher of WATER ROW PRESS and literary executor of the poet's estate.]
>>>> >
>>>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bremser
>>>> >
>>>> > "Ray Bremser (February 22, 1934 - November 3, 1998) was an American poet. Bremser was born in Jersey City, New Jersey. He began writing poetry there and sent copies to Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso and LeRoi Jones (Imamu Amear Baraka), who published his poems in 'Yugen' and threw a big party for him when he got out of jail in 1958..."
>>>> Thanks for the leads. I've added Bremser into PPP, using the wiki article, and adding a few links (including the one to the above book) and a video.. I compiled a new bibliography: turns out he published at least 6 books, right up to his death in the late 90s. As a bonus, I even found (and referenced) a mention of him in a Dylan poem:
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>>>> http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_Bremser

>>> Quite interesting back story....!!

>> Good morning, yes, Ray Bremser was an interesting person as well as poet.

> Here is a lovely tribute to Ray B.

> https://www.thirdmindbooks.com/pages/books/3972/michael-buchenroth-ray-bremser/four-beats-diverged-in-ginsbergs-woods

> ***** Written on the occasion of the Ray Bremser Memorial held in Cherry Valley, NY at Allen Ginsberg's farm in 1998, poet-publisher (and Beat student/devotee) Michael Buchenroth brings us the elegiac and powerful "Four Beats Diverged in Ginsberg's Woods ********