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by: Zod - Wed, 1 Mar 2023 22:27 UTC

George J. Dance wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > > Today's poems on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > 4 autumn haiku, by Jack Kerouac
> > >
> > > Cool sunny autumn day ...
> > > Bird bath thrashing ...
> > > Waiting for the leaves ...
> > > Cloudy autumn night ...
> > >
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/09/4-autumn-haiku-jack-kerouac.html
> > Good selections, Jack Kerouac wrote what he called American Haiku.
> Are you suggesting I put that in the title: call it "4 American Haiku" or "4 autumn American Haiku"?

Could be good but also good as is....

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by: W.Dockery - Fri, 3 Mar 2023 17:08 UTC

Zod wrote:

> George J. Dance wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>> > George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>> > > Today's poems on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> > > 4 autumn haiku, by Jack Kerouac
>> > >
>> > > Cool sunny autumn day ...
>> > > Bird bath thrashing ...
>> > > Waiting for the leaves ...
>> > > Cloudy autumn night ...
>> > >
>> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/09/4-autumn-haiku-jack-kerouac.html
>> > Good selections, Jack Kerouac wrote what he called American Haiku.
>> Are you suggesting I put that in the title: call it "4 American Haiku" or "4 autumn American Haiku"?

> Could be good but also good as is....

Good afternoon, that's true.

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by: General-Zod - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 20:52 UTC

Will Dockery wrote:

> Zod wrote:

>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > George J. Dance wrote:
>>>
>>> > > Today's poems on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>>> > > 4 autumn haiku, by Jack Kerouac
>>> > >
>>> > > Cool sunny autumn day ...
>>> > > Bird bath thrashing ...
>>> > > Waiting for the leaves ...
>>> > > Cloudy autumn night ...
>>> > >
>>> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/09/4-autumn-haiku-jack-kerouac.html
>>> > Good selections, Jack Kerouac wrote what he called American Haiku.
>>> Are you suggesting I put that in the title: call it "4 American Haiku" or "4 autumn American Haiku"?

>> Could be good but also good as is....

> Good afternoon, that's true.

Hi there...

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by: W-Dockery - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:37 UTC

Zod wrote:

> Could be good but also good as is....

That's right.

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by: General-Zod - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 19:22 UTC

George J. Dance wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>> > George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>> > > Today's poems on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> > > 4 autumn haiku, by Jack Kerouac
>> > >
>> > > Cool sunny autumn day ...
>> > > Bird bath thrashing ...
>> > > Waiting for the leaves ...
>> > > Cloudy autumn night ...
>> > >
>> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/09/4-autumn-haiku-jack-kerouac.html
>> > Good selections, Jack Kerouac wrote what he called American Haiku.
>> Are you suggesting I put that in the title: call it "4 American Haiku" or "4 autumn American Haiku"?

More American forms of haiku are from Allen Ginsberg, his "American Sentances":

https://briefpoems.wordpress.com/2017/05/29/the-taste-of-rain-american-haiku-by-jack-kerouac/

************ Allen Ginsberg created many haiku, most of them risible. He did manage to create his own American version of the haiku – a monostich form he called American Sentences. If haiku involved seventeen syllables down the page, he reasoned, American Sentences would be seventeen syllables across the page. It was his attempt, successful at times, to “Americanize” a Japanese form. Like (rough) English approximations of the haiku, American Sentences work closely with concision of line and sharpness of detail. Unlike its literary predecessor, however, it is compressed into a single line of poetry and often included a reference to a month and year (or alternatively, a location) rather than a season. Some of his more interesting examples are posted on the monostich page of this blog.

Jack Kerouac also attempted to “Americanise” the haiku form. He became acquainted with Gary Snyder in California, and discussed Buddhism and poetry with him. He was interested in Buddhism, and experimented with haiku which he called ‘pops,‘ a genre he defined as ‘‘short 3-line pomes.” His haiku remain fundamentally American –

The windmills
of Oklahoma look
in every direction.

He offered his own definition of the American Haiku: The American Haiku is not exactly the Japanese Haiku. The Japanese Haiku is strictly disciplined to seventeen syllables but since the language structure is different I don’t think American Haikus (short three-line poems intended to be completely packed with Void of Whole) should worry about syllables because American speech is something again…bursting to pop…. I propose that the ‘Western Haiku’ simply say a lot in three short lines in any Western language. Above all, a Haiku must be very simple and free of all poetic trickery and make a little picture and yet be as airy and graceful as a Vivaldi Pastorella. A large selection of his haiku is available on the Terebess Asia Online site. Cor van den Heuval, editor of The Haiku Anthology: Haiku and Senryu in English has said of Kerouac and the haiku that he probably came closer than any of the Beat poets to its essence. But it remained a footnote to his work. I tend to agree. I have included a baker’s dozen of these brief poems of which more than half are concerned with rain *******************************

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by: W.Dockery - Wed, 15 Mar 2023 14:07 UTC

General-Zod wrote:

> George J. Dance wrote:
>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > George J. Dance wrote:
>>>
>>> > > Today's poems on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>>> > > 4 autumn haiku, by Jack Kerouac
>>> > >
>>> > > Cool sunny autumn day ...
>>> > > Bird bath thrashing ...
>>> > > Waiting for the leaves ...
>>> > > Cloudy autumn night ...
>>> > >
>>> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/09/4-autumn-haiku-jack-kerouac.html
>>> > Good selections, Jack Kerouac wrote what he called American Haiku.
>>> Are you suggesting I put that in the title: call it "4 American Haiku" or "4 autumn American Haiku"?

> More American forms of haiku are from Allen Ginsberg, his "American Sentances":

> https://briefpoems.wordpress.com/2017/05/29/the-taste-of-rain-american-haiku-by-jack-kerouac/

> ************ Allen Ginsberg created many haiku, most of them risible. He did manage to create his own American version of the haiku – a monostich form he called American Sentences. If haiku involved seventeen syllables down the page, he reasoned, American Sentences would be seventeen syllables across the page. It was his attempt, successful at times, to “Americanize” a Japanese form. Like (rough) English approximations of the haiku, American Sentences work closely with concision of line and sharpness of detail. Unlike its literary predecessor, however, it is compressed into a single line of poetry and often included a reference to a month and year (or alternatively, a location) rather than a season. Some of his more interesting examples are posted on the monostich page of this blog.

> Jack Kerouac also attempted to “Americanise” the haiku form. He became acquainted with Gary Snyder in California, and discussed Buddhism and poetry with him. He was interested in Buddhism, and experimented with haiku which he called ‘pops,‘ a genre he defined as ‘‘short 3-line pomes.” His haiku remain fundamentally American –

> The windmills
> of Oklahoma look
> in every direction.

> He offered his own definition of the American Haiku: The American Haiku is not exactly the Japanese Haiku. The Japanese Haiku is strictly disciplined to seventeen syllables but since the language structure is different I don’t think American Haikus (short three-line poems intended to be completely packed with Void of Whole) should worry about syllables because American speech is something again…bursting to pop…. I propose that the ‘Western Haiku’ simply say a lot in three short lines in any Western language. Above all, a Haiku must be very simple and free of all poetic trickery and make a little picture and yet be as airy and graceful as a Vivaldi Pastorella. A large selection of his haiku is available on the Terebess Asia Online site. Cor van den Heuval, editor of The Haiku Anthology: Haiku and Senryu in English has said of Kerouac and the haiku that he probably came closer than any of the Beat poets to its essence. But it remained a footnote to his work. I tend to agree. I have included a baker’s dozen of these brief poems of which more than half are concerned with rain *******************************

Good read, Zod.

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by: W-Dockery - Sun, 19 Mar 2023 03:29 UTC

Zod wrote:

> Could be good but also good as is....

Good evening, that's true.

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by: General-Zod - Wed, 22 Mar 2023 19:23 UTC

Will Dockery wrote:

> Zod wrote:

>> Could be good but also good as is....

> Good afternoon, that's true.

Jack Kerouac.... one of the all time greats of poetry...

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by: W.Dockery - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 18:12 UTC

General-Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> Zod wrote:

>>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> > George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > > Today's poems on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>>>> > > 4 autumn haiku, by Jack Kerouac
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Cool sunny autumn day ...
>>>> > > Bird bath thrashing ...
>>>> > > Waiting for the leaves ...
>>>> > > Cloudy autumn night ...
>>>> > >
>>>> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/09/4-autumn-haiku-jack-kerouac.html
>>>> > Good selections, Jack Kerouac wrote what he called American Haiku.
>>>> Are you suggesting I put that in the title: call it "4 American Haiku" or "4 autumn American Haiku"?

>>> Could be good but also good as is....

>> Good afternoon, that's true.

> Jack Kerouac.... one of the all time greats of poetry...

No doubt about it.

What we wish, that we readily believe. -- Demosthenes

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Re: PPB: 4 autumn haiku / Jack Kerouac	Zod
Re: PPB: 4 autumn haiku / Jack Kerouac	W.Dockery
Re: PPB: 4 autumn haiku / Jack Kerouac	General-Zod
Re: PPB: 4 autumn haiku / Jack Kerouac	General-Zod
Re: PPB: 4 autumn haiku / Jack Kerouac	W.Dockery
Re: PPB: 4 autumn haiku / Jack Kerouac	W-Dockery
Re: PPB: 4 autumn haiku / Jack Kerouac	General-Zod
Re: PPB: 4 autumn haiku / Jack Kerouac	W.Dockery
Re: PPB: 4 autumn haiku / Jack Kerouac	W-Dockery