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* Does Star Trek Suck Now?Travoltron
+* Re: Does Star Trek Suck Now?Your Name
|+* Re: Does Star Trek Suck Now?The Doctor
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|| `- Re: Does Star Trek Suck Now?Travoltron
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Subject: Does Star Trek Suck Now?
From: Travoltron
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Subject: Does Star Trek Suck Now?
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The answer is yes. Yes it does.


Subject: Re: Does Star Trek Suck Now?
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Subject: Re: Does Star Trek Suck Now?
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On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:

The answer is yes. Yes it does.

It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise" and then got even suckier with the second reboot attempt by JarJar Abrams. At this point real "Star Trek" has been long dead.  :-(



Subject: Re: Does Star Trek Suck Now?
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In article <t2vkmf$mtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
Your Name  <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:

The answer is yes. Yes it does.

It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"
and then got even suckier with the second reboot attempt by JarJar
Abrams. At this point real "Star Trek" has been long dead.  :-(


And then there is Chibnall and Doctor Who!
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Subject: Re: Does Star Trek Suck Now?
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In rec.arts.startrek.current The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <t2vkmf$mtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
Your Name  <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:

The answer is yes. Yes it does.

It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"
and then got even suckier with the second reboot attempt by JarJar
Abrams. At this point real "Star Trek" has been long dead.  :-(


And then there is Chibnall and Doctor Who!

Star Wars, etc.
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Subject: Re: Does Star Trek Suck Now?
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Le 10/04/2022 à 21:39, Travoltron a écrit :

The answer is yes. Yes it does.

Definitely


Subject: Re: Does Star Trek Suck Now?
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Le 11/04/2022 à 00:11, Your Name a écrit :
On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:

The answer is yes. Yes it does.

It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"

"Enterprise" is not a reboot, rather a prequel. And in contrast to the 2009+ fake-trek, ENT is fully consistent with the existing universe, built by TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY
 
and then got even suckier with the second reboot attempt by JarJar Abrams. At this point real "Star Trek" has been long dead.  :-(




Subject: Re: Does Star Trek Suck Now?
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On 2022-04-26 09:44:38 +0000, pehache said:
Le 11/04/2022 à 00:11, Your Name a écrit :
On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:

The answer is yes. Yes it does.

It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"

"Enterprise" is not a reboot, rather a prequel.

It was both - it was a reboot set before Kirk's time. Beavis & Butthead were trying to reboot the franchise due to supposed "franchise fatigue" after TNG, DS9, VOY, and TNG movies.



And in contrast to the 2009+ fake-trek, ENT is fully consistent with the existing universe, built by TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY

Not only did it not consisent with the then-existing universe, they purposely tried to distance it by not calling it "Star Trek: Enterprise", and then at the end tried to retro-fit it by making it all a silly Holodreck fantasy.




Subject: Re: Does Star Trek Suck Now?
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Dark days. All our favorite "franchises' (hate that term) have been entrusted to legit imbeciles.
These people have no life experience. They go right from university to industry jobs that daddy got them. The most worthless, vapid people on earth.


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Le 26/04/2022 à 22:40, Your Name a écrit :
On 2022-04-26 09:44:38 +0000, pehache said:
Le 11/04/2022 à 00:11, Your Name a écrit :
On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:

The answer is yes. Yes it does.

It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"

"Enterprise" is not a reboot, rather a prequel.

It was both - it was a reboot set before Kirk's time. Beavis & Butthead were trying to reboot the franchise due to supposed "franchise fatigue" after TNG, DS9, VOY, and TNG movies.



And in contrast to the 2009+ fake-trek, ENT is fully consistent with the existing universe, built by TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY

Not only did it not consisent with the then-existing universe,

What is not consistent, precisely ? I mean speaking about important inconsistencies, not about inconsistent details that happened also in all the previous shows and that are impossible to completely avoid during almost 800 episodes and 10 movies.

On the other hand, Enterprise for instance :
- gave an explanation to the Klingon change of appearance between TOS and TNG
- established how and why the human race took a kind of lead in the Federation. This was given for granted in the previous, but was somehow strange if you consider that the Vulcan for instance were much more advance than the human at that times, both technologically and ethically.

they purposely tried to distance it by not calling it "Star Trek: Enterprise",

Just a name... What is important is the content. "Discovery" and "Picard" both display the "Star Trek" name, but are much less "Star Trek" than any of the previous shows.





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