On Nov 14, 2023 at 4:09:01 PM PST, "bruce bowser" <bruce2bowser@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Gas Prices’ Steady Decline Might Gain Momentum As Holidays Approach: AAA
> Fox Business - Nov 10, 2023
>
> --
> https://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/gas-prices-steady-decline-before-thanksgiving-aaa

So we're going to get another round of Biden and his people claiming credit
for gas prices falling.

But whenever gas prices go up, they duck criticism and say "The president
doesn't control the price of gas".

Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.

Apparently Biden is only responsible when the news is good. When the news is
bad, it's someone else's fault.

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:15:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>On Nov 14, 2023 at 4:09:01 PM PST, "bruce bowser" <bruce2bowser@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Gas Prices’ Steady Decline Might Gain Momentum As Holidays Approach: AAA
>> Fox Business - Nov 10, 2023
>>
>> --
>> https://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/gas-prices-steady-decline-before-thanksgiving-aaa
>
>So we're going to get another round of Biden and his people claiming credit
>for gas prices falling.
>
>But whenever gas prices go up, they duck criticism and say "The president
>doesn't control the price of gas".
>
>Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>
>Apparently Biden is only responsible when the news is good. When the news is
>bad, it's someone else's fault.
>

As I recall you were one of the ones blaming Biden for the high gas
prices so it's only fair for them (whomever they are) to claim him
responsible for gas prices going down.

Personally I've always found it hard to blame any President for the
rise and fall of prices of commodity's . At least over the short term.
Though introducing something like a hefty tariff is one way to have a
quick impact on prices. With gasoline there's little any President can
do to have a big impact on prices over the short term. Even releasing
gas from stockpiles won't do much to bring prices down but it looks
good from a political angle.

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:15:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>
Sure you can if the reason for the rise is that you've imposed a new
gas tax. (That's the #1 reason why gas is so expensive in Canada and
especially in Vancouver where we have a gas levy to support the public
transit system. No levy on e-vehicles though....)

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:35:57 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:15:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>>dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>>
>Sure you can if the reason for the rise is that you've imposed a new
>gas tax. (That's the #1 reason why gas is so expensive in Canada and
>especially in Vancouver where we have a gas levy to support the public
>transit system. No levy on e-vehicles though....)

Oh, I think BTR is quite aware of the impact of gas taxes on the
price. California suffers from high gas prices because of those taxes.
If not for them the price would likely be half the current price.

On 11/15/2023 9:35 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:15:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>> dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>>
> Sure you can if the reason for the rise is that you've imposed a new
> gas tax. (That's the #1 reason why gas is so expensive in Canada and
> especially in Vancouver where we have a gas levy to support the public
> transit system. No levy on e-vehicles though....)
>

And Biden isn't even claiming it, it's the newscasters.

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 12:40:22 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:35:57 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:15:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>>>dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>>>
>>Sure you can if the reason for the rise is that you've imposed a new
>>gas tax. (That's the #1 reason why gas is so expensive in Canada and
>>especially in Vancouver where we have a gas levy to support the public
>>transit system. No levy on e-vehicles though....)
>
>Oh, I think BTR is quite aware of the impact of gas taxes on the
>price. California suffers from high gas prices because of those taxes.
>If not for them the price would likely be half the current price.

1/2 may be an exaggeration but 1/3 >isn't< as shown by the picture in
the followng article
https://biv.com/article/2023/02/carbon-tax-gets-jacked-again-year#:~:text=As%20of%20April%202023%2C%20the,per%20litre%20provincial%20excise%20tax.

Gas in Canada is priced by the liter not the gallon but 78 cents tax
with a pump price of $ 2.03 is a little more than 1/3. (This is
roughly US$ 6.50 / US gallon)

This is for BC - you would have to ask Rhino for the comparable
numbers in Southern Ontario.

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 11:22:24 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 12:40:22 -0500, shawn
><nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:35:57 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:15:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>>>>dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>>>>
>>>Sure you can if the reason for the rise is that you've imposed a new
>>>gas tax. (That's the #1 reason why gas is so expensive in Canada and
>>>especially in Vancouver where we have a gas levy to support the public
>>>transit system. No levy on e-vehicles though....)
>>
>>Oh, I think BTR is quite aware of the impact of gas taxes on the
>>price. California suffers from high gas prices because of those taxes.
>>If not for them the price would likely be half the current price.
>
>1/2 may be an exaggeration but 1/3 >isn't< as shown by the picture in
>the followng article
>https://biv.com/article/2023/02/carbon-tax-gets-jacked-again-year#:~:text=As%20of%20April%202023%2C%20the,per%20litre%20provincial%20excise%20tax.

Well, I'm going by the price I heard from someone in California (Los
Angeles area) saying they were paying over $6/gallon while the current
price just down the street from me is $2.74/gallon. So a 50%
difference is fairly close.

>Gas in Canada is priced by the liter not the gallon but 78 cents tax
>with a pump price of $ 2.03 is a little more than 1/3. (This is
>roughly US$ 6.50 / US gallon)
>
>This is for BC - you would have to ask Rhino for the comparable
>numbers in Southern Ontario.

On 11/15/2023 9:40 AM, shawn wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:35:57 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:15:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>>> dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>>>
>> Sure you can if the reason for the rise is that you've imposed a new
>> gas tax. (That's the #1 reason why gas is so expensive in Canada and
>> especially in Vancouver where we have a gas levy to support the public
>> transit system. No levy on e-vehicles though....)
>
> Oh, I think BTR is quite aware of the impact of gas taxes on the
> price. California suffers from high gas prices because of those taxes.
> If not for them the price would likely be half the current price.

California's requirements for a cleaner burning blend than the rest of
the country also contributes.

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dirty old man.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 11:22:24 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 12:40:22 -0500, shawn
>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:35:57 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:15:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>>>>> dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>>>>>
>>>> Sure you can if the reason for the rise is that you've imposed a new
>>>> gas tax. (That's the #1 reason why gas is so expensive in Canada and
>>>> especially in Vancouver where we have a gas levy to support the public
>>>> transit system. No levy on e-vehicles though....)
>>>
>>> Oh, I think BTR is quite aware of the impact of gas taxes on the
>>> price. California suffers from high gas prices because of those taxes.
>>> If not for them the price would likely be half the current price.
>>
>> 1/2 may be an exaggeration but 1/3 >isn't< as shown by the picture in
>> the followng article
>> https://biv.com/article/2023/02/carbon-tax-gets-jacked-again-year#:~:text=As%20of%20April%202023%2C%20the,per%20litre%20provincial%20excise%20tax.
>
>
> Well, I'm going by the price I heard from someone in California (Los
> Angeles area) saying they were paying over $6/gallon while the current
> price just down the street from me is $2.74/gallon. So a 50%
> difference is fairly close.
>
>> Gas in Canada is priced by the liter not the gallon but 78 cents tax
>> with a pump price of $ 2.03 is a little more than 1/3. (This is
>> roughly US$ 6.50 / US gallon)
>>
>> This is for BC - you would have to ask Rhino for the comparable
>> numbers in Southern Ontario.
>

“Hey Siri, what’s the current price for gasoline in Los Angeles?“

Current average $5.271

just for giggles, I asked what the high price was and was told premium is
going for 5.8.

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On 11/15/2023 4:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 11:22:24 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 12:40:22 -0500, shawn
>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:35:57 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:15:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>>>>>> dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sure you can if the reason for the rise is that you've imposed a new
>>>>> gas tax. (That's the #1 reason why gas is so expensive in Canada and
>>>>> especially in Vancouver where we have a gas levy to support the public
>>>>> transit system. No levy on e-vehicles though....)
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I think BTR is quite aware of the impact of gas taxes on the
>>>> price. California suffers from high gas prices because of those taxes.
>>>> If not for them the price would likely be half the current price.
>>>
>>> 1/2 may be an exaggeration but 1/3 >isn't< as shown by the picture in
>>> the followng article
>>> https://biv.com/article/2023/02/carbon-tax-gets-jacked-again-year#:~:text=As%20of%20April%202023%2C%20the,per%20litre%20provincial%20excise%20tax.
>>
>>
>> Well, I'm going by the price I heard from someone in California (Los
>> Angeles area) saying they were paying over $6/gallon while the current
>> price just down the street from me is $2.74/gallon. So a 50%
>> difference is fairly close.
>>
>>> Gas in Canada is priced by the liter not the gallon but 78 cents tax
>>> with a pump price of $ 2.03 is a little more than 1/3. (This is
>>> roughly US$ 6.50 / US gallon)
>>>
>>> This is for BC - you would have to ask Rhino for the comparable
>>> numbers in Southern Ontario.
>>
>
> “Hey Siri, what’s the current price for gasoline in Los Angeles?“
>
> Current average $5.271
>
> just for giggles, I asked what the high price was and was told premium is
> going for 5.8.
>
You shouldn't do that. You'll just confuse yourself with facts and
reality. :P

--
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dirty old man.

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 11/15/2023 9:40 AM, shawn wrote:
>>Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:35:57 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>:
>>>On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:15:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>>>>Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>>>>dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.

>>>Sure you can if the reason for the rise is that you've imposed a new
>>>gas tax. (That's the #1 reason why gas is so expensive in Canada and
>>>especially in Vancouver where we have a gas levy to support the public
>>>transit system. No levy on e-vehicles though....)

>>Oh, I think BTR is quite aware of the impact of gas taxes on the
>>price. California suffers from high gas prices because of those taxes.
>>If not for them the price would likely be half the current price.

>California's requirements for a cleaner burning blend than the rest of
>the country also contributes.

I have no problem with that. Is it effective in fighting photochemical
smog in Los Angeles?

On 11/15/2023 9:15 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 11/15/2023 9:40 AM, shawn wrote:
>>> Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:35:57 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:15:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>>>>> dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>
>>>> Sure you can if the reason for the rise is that you've imposed a new
>>>> gas tax. (That's the #1 reason why gas is so expensive in Canada and
>>>> especially in Vancouver where we have a gas levy to support the public
>>>> transit system. No levy on e-vehicles though....)
>
>>> Oh, I think BTR is quite aware of the impact of gas taxes on the
>>> price. California suffers from high gas prices because of those taxes.
>>> If not for them the price would likely be half the current price.
>
>> California's requirements for a cleaner burning blend than the rest of
>> the country also contributes.
>
> I have no problem with that. Is it effective in fighting photochemical
> smog in Los Angeles?

Yes. The adoption of the laws setting California's standards were a big
part of making it possible to see more than 50 feet in LA.

--
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dirty old man.

On Nov 15, 2023 at 6:44:20 PM PST, "Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@sonic.net>
wrote:

> On 11/15/2023 4:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 11:22:24 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 12:40:22 -0500, shawn
>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:35:57 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:15:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>>>>>>> dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure you can if the reason for the rise is that you've imposed a new
>>>>>> gas tax. (That's the #1 reason why gas is so expensive in Canada and
>>>>>> especially in Vancouver where we have a gas levy to support the public
>>>>>> transit system. No levy on e-vehicles though....)
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I think BTR is quite aware of the impact of gas taxes on the
>>>>> price. California suffers from high gas prices because of those taxes.
>>>>> If not for them the price would likely be half the current price.
>>>>
>>>> 1/2 may be an exaggeration but 1/3 >isn't< as shown by the picture in
>>>> the followng article
>>>>
>>>> https://biv.com/article/2023/02/carbon-tax-gets-jacked-again-year#:~:text=As%20of%20April%202023%2C%20the,per%20litre%20provincial%20excise%20tax.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I'm going by the price I heard from someone in California (Los
>>> Angeles area) saying they were paying over $6/gallon while the current
>>> price just down the street from me is $2.74/gallon. So a 50%
>>> difference is fairly close.
>>>
>>>> Gas in Canada is priced by the liter not the gallon but 78 cents tax
>>>> with a pump price of $ 2.03 is a little more than 1/3. (This is
>>>> roughly US$ 6.50 / US gallon)
>>>>
>>>> This is for BC - you would have to ask Rhino for the comparable
>>>> numbers in Southern Ontario.
>>>
>>
>> “Hey Siri, what’s the current price for gasoline in Los Angeles?“
>>
>> Current average $5.271
>>
>> just for giggles, I asked what the high price was and was told premium is
>> going for 5.8.
>>
> You shouldn't do that. You'll just confuse yourself with facts and
> reality. :P

Or you'd learn what 'average' means.

atropos@mac.com wrote:
> "trotsky" wrote:

>> Gas Prices' Steady Decline Might Gain Momentum As Holidays Approach
>
>So we're going to get another round of Biden and his people claiming credit
>for gas prices falling.
>
>But whenever gas prices go up, they duck criticism and say "The president
>doesn't control the price of gas".

Or they point fingers at someone else.

>Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>
>Apparently Biden is only responsible when the news is good. When the news is
>bad, it's someone else's fault.

It's one of the few rules leftists follow.

--
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In article <uj352v$1ia6h$1@solani.org>, suzee@imbris.com wrote:
> On 11/15/2023 9:35 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>>> Which is it? Can't have it both ways. You can't claim credit for prices
>>> dropping but say you're not to blame when they rise.
>>>
>> Sure you can if the reason for the rise is that you've imposed a new
>> gas tax. (That's the #1 reason why gas is so expensive in Canada and
>> especially in Vancouver where we have a gas levy to support the public
>> transit system. No levy on e-vehicles though....)
>
>And Biden isn't even claiming it, it's the newscasters.

Actually, it was "trotsky" who made that claim. If you had bothered
to read the article, you'd see that it said this was a normal seasonal
change.

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