On Dec 1, 2023 at 7:32:58 AM PST, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67580991

Yeah, that has to be one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. Not for me,
thanks.

On Fri, 01 Dec 2023 20:47:31 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>On Dec 1, 2023 at 7:32:58 AM PST, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67580991
>
>Yeah, that has to be one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. Not for me,
>thanks.
>

There are quite a few videos showing the truck and discussing it's
features. Though no quirks and features video yet. I agree it's not
something I would want to drive but it clearly has garnered quite a
lot of interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxOh12Uhg08
Driving Tesla Cybertruck: Everything You Need to Know!
Marques Brownlee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6WDq0V5oBg
Exclusive 2024 Tesla Cybertruck Full Review & Drag Race w R1T & Hummer
— Jason Cammisa on the ICONS
Hagerty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uefydJUbRhc
Tesla Cybertruck DRIVEN!
Top Gear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF7msB1CgyM
We Drove the Tesla Cybertruck!
WVFRM Podcast

> BTR1701
> > RichA
> >
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67580991
>
> Yeah, that has to be one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. Not for me,
> thanks.

It's a stupid design and they want $61,000 for it.

Tesla's "Model B" on the other hand, looks like a regular pick-up truck.

https://insideevs.com/news/363685/tesla-pickup-truck-model-b/

Still wouldn't but it.

On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 15:00:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak
<edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:

>> BTR1701
>> > RichA
>> >
>> > https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67580991
>>
>> Yeah, that has to be one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. Not for me,
>> thanks.
>
>It's a stupid design and they want $61,000 for it.
>
>Tesla's "Model B" on the other hand, looks like a regular pick-up truck.
>
>https://insideevs.com/news/363685/tesla-pickup-truck-model-b/
>
>Still wouldn't but it.

After what I saw on YT today I wouldn't buy a Tesla. A man bought a
used low mileage Tesla (2019) model and drove it for a year putting on
about 100K miles on it. He was using it as a ride share vehicle six
days a week. That's all good but after crossing that 100K mileage the
charging changed.

Before he could always charge up to 100% if he wanted. After he
crossed that 120K mark he could charge the car overnight at his home
to 100%. Normally he would recharge during the day up to 75-80% but
after crossing that 100K mark the vehicle would only charge to about
35 miles during the day. That's miles not percentage.

So he goes to the dealer and they say this is to be expected. The only
option he has is to buy a new battery for over 9000 dollars. That's in
addition to the 40000 dollars he still owes on the vehicle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dartx7EoaQ

In article <o3qkmipo2l6072lf8630j5ennn43j6qg97@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 15:00:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak
> <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> BTR1701
> >> > RichA
> >> >
> >> > https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67580991
> >>
> >> Yeah, that has to be one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. Not for
> >> me,
> >> thanks.
> >
> >It's a stupid design and they want $61,000 for it.
> >
> >Tesla's "Model B" on the other hand, looks like a regular pick-up truck.
> >
> >https://insideevs.com/news/363685/tesla-pickup-truck-model-b/
> >
> >Still wouldn't but it.
>
> After what I saw on YT today I wouldn't buy a Tesla. A man bought a
> used low mileage Tesla (2019) model and drove it for a year putting on
> about 100K miles on it. He was using it as a ride share vehicle six
> days a week. That's all good but after crossing that 100K mileage the
> charging changed.
>
> Before he could always charge up to 100% if he wanted. After he
> crossed that 120K mark he could charge the car overnight at his home
> to 100%. Normally he would recharge during the day up to 75-80% but
> after crossing that 100K mark the vehicle would only charge to about
> 35 miles during the day. That's miles not percentage.
>
> So he goes to the dealer and they say this is to be expected. The only
> option he has is to buy a new battery for over 9000 dollars. That's in
> addition to the 40000 dollars he still owes on the vehicle.

I suspect this is an issue with all EVs, not just Tesla. But yeah, it's
tantamount to fraud if they're not being upfront and clear to consumers
about these kinds of issues.

On 12/1/2023 6:28 PM, shawn wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 15:00:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak
> <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> BTR1701
>>>> RichA
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67580991
>>>
>>> Yeah, that has to be one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. Not for me,
>>> thanks.
>>
>> It's a stupid design and they want $61,000 for it.
>>
>> Tesla's "Model B" on the other hand, looks like a regular pick-up truck.
>>
>> https://insideevs.com/news/363685/tesla-pickup-truck-model-b/
>>
>> Still wouldn't but it.
>
> After what I saw on YT today I wouldn't buy a Tesla. A man bought a
> used low mileage Tesla (2019) model and drove it for a year putting on
> about 100K miles on it. He was using it as a ride share vehicle six
> days a week. That's all good but after crossing that 100K mileage the
> charging changed.
>
> Before he could always charge up to 100% if he wanted. After he
> crossed that 120K mark he could charge the car overnight at his home
> to 100%. Normally he would recharge during the day up to 75-80% but
> after crossing that 100K mark the vehicle would only charge to about
> 35 miles during the day. That's miles not percentage.
>
> So he goes to the dealer and they say this is to be expected. The only
> option he has is to buy a new battery for over 9000 dollars. That's in
> addition to the 40000 dollars he still owes on the vehicle.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dartx7EoaQ

An additional ~10 cents per mile. Not inconsiderable.

On 2023-12-01 23:28:15 +0000, shawn said:
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 15:00:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak
> <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> BTR1701
>>>> RichA
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67580991
>>>
>>> Yeah, that has to be one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. Not for me,
>>> thanks.
>>
>> It's a stupid design and they want $61,000 for it.
>>
>> Tesla's "Model B" on the other hand, looks like a regular pick-up truck.
>>
>> https://insideevs.com/news/363685/tesla-pickup-truck-model-b/
>>
>> Still wouldn't but it.
>
> After what I saw on YT today I wouldn't buy a Tesla. A man bought a
> used low mileage Tesla (2019) model and drove it for a year putting on
> about 100K miles on it. He was using it as a ride share vehicle six
> days a week. That's all good but after crossing that 100K mileage the
> charging changed.
>
> Before he could always charge up to 100% if he wanted. After he
> crossed that 120K mark he could charge the car overnight at his home
> to 100%. Normally he would recharge during the day up to 75-80% but
> after crossing that 100K mark the vehicle would only charge to about
> 35 miles during the day. That's miles not percentage.
>
> So he goes to the dealer and they say this is to be expected. The only
> option he has is to buy a new battery for over 9000 dollars. That's in
> addition to the 40000 dollars he still owes on the vehicle.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dartx7EoaQ

Not just crappy Tesla ... that's why you should never buy *any*
electric car. The battery pack replacements are insane expensive.
That's also why the second hand car market will get flushed down the
toilet.

On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 16:07:31 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:

>On 2023-12-01 23:28:15 +0000, shawn said:
>> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 15:00:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak
>> <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> BTR1701
>>>>> RichA
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67580991
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, that has to be one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. Not for me,
>>>> thanks.
>>>
>>> It's a stupid design and they want $61,000 for it.
>>>
>>> Tesla's "Model B" on the other hand, looks like a regular pick-up truck.
>>>
>>> https://insideevs.com/news/363685/tesla-pickup-truck-model-b/
>>>
>>> Still wouldn't but it.
>>
>> After what I saw on YT today I wouldn't buy a Tesla. A man bought a
>> used low mileage Tesla (2019) model and drove it for a year putting on
>> about 100K miles on it. He was using it as a ride share vehicle six
>> days a week. That's all good but after crossing that 100K mileage the
>> charging changed.
>>
>> Before he could always charge up to 100% if he wanted. After he
>> crossed that 120K mark he could charge the car overnight at his home
>> to 100%. Normally he would recharge during the day up to 75-80% but
>> after crossing that 100K mark the vehicle would only charge to about
>> 35 miles during the day. That's miles not percentage.
>>
>> So he goes to the dealer and they say this is to be expected. The only
>> option he has is to buy a new battery for over 9000 dollars. That's in
>> addition to the 40000 dollars he still owes on the vehicle.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dartx7EoaQ
>
>Not just crappy Tesla ... that's why you should never buy *any*
>electric car. The battery pack replacements are insane expensive.
>That's also why the second hand car market will get flushed down the
>toilet.
>

Maybe. It depends upon how well they hold up over the years. There are
cases like this guy that I mentioned above and there's the case where
driving in some heavy rain somehow allowed water to get into the
battery of a Tesla forcing the owners to replace the battery pack.
Then there is the case of another guy whose video I watched today. At
200k miles the battery still charges up to about 90% of the original
capacity.

So if you get that sort of behavior (90% capacity after 200k miles)
then the replacement cost isn't a problem, but it's those other issues
that make me worry about owning an EV. That and the current issues
with charging on road trips with anything other than a Tesla. Those
issues may end up all being worked out but it will still take a few
years.

On Fri, 01 Dec 2023 18:28:15 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>After what I saw on YT today I wouldn't buy a Tesla. A man bought a
>used low mileage Tesla (2019) model and drove it for a year putting on
>about 100K miles on it. He was using it as a ride share vehicle six
>days a week. That's all good but after crossing that 100K mileage the
>charging changed.

Obviously the owner does not intend to keep the vehicle long enough to
have to replace the battery:

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/costs-ev-battery-replacement

Many Canadian provinces offer subsidies for purchase of electric
vehicles but we had an item in today's paper about a fellow getting a
bill for $ 15000+ for battery replacement on a vehicle he paid $ 40000
for not so long ago - he figured he was saving $ 300 / month on gas
but the battery replacement more than ate up his savings...

> Shawn
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > Still wouldn't but it.
>
> So he goes to the dealer and they say this is to be expected. The only
> option he has is to buy a new battery for over 9000 dollars. That's in
> addition to the 40000 dollars he still owes on the vehicle.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dartx7EoaQ

An e-car is just a big ass cellphone battery with wheels and we're all
familiar with how long those last but a $600 replacement cellphone,
(I just got an iPhone 13 Mini) is a lot easier to swallow then a $10K
car battery.

I'not opposed to the use of e-cars, as they make good sense for a
grocery-getter-commuter-car but _forcing_ everybody to get an e-car
is commie-pinko bullshit.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>>. . .

>After what I saw on YT today I wouldn't buy a Tesla. A man bought a
>used low mileage Tesla (2019) model and drove it for a year putting on
>about 100K miles on it. He was using it as a ride share vehicle six
>days a week. That's all good but after crossing that 100K mileage the
>charging changed.

>Before he could always charge up to 100% if he wanted. After he
>crossed that 120K mark he could charge the car overnight at his home
>to 100%. Normally he would recharge during the day up to 75-80% but
>after crossing that 100K mark the vehicle would only charge to about
>35 miles during the day. That's miles not percentage.

>So he goes to the dealer and they say this is to be expected. The only
>option he has is to buy a new battery for over 9000 dollars. That's in
>addition to the 40000 dollars he still owes on the vehicle.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dartx7EoaQ

Electric vehicles truly force people to use public transportation.
That's what makes them so very green.

On Fri, 01 Dec 2023 20:47:31 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

> On Dec 1, 2023 at 7:32:58 AM PST, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67580991
>
> Yeah, that has to be one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. Not
> for me, thanks.
>
>

Given that it is supposed to be bulletproof, I wonder if it has a
future as a vehicle used by people concerned about possible
assassinations. Like presidents - and gangbangers....

Of course nothing is really bulletproof. At best, it will stop smaller
caliber rounds. You can simply use larger and larger rounds until you
finally get penetration, whether that means large caliber rifles, RPGs
or whatever....

--
Rhino

Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>>>. . .
>
>>After what I saw on YT today I wouldn't buy a Tesla. A man
>>bought a used low mileage Tesla (2019) model and drove it
>>for a year putting on about 100K miles on it. He was using
>>it as a ride share vehicle six
>>days a week. That's all good but after crossing that 100K
>>mileage the charging changed.
>
>>Before he could always charge up to 100% if he wanted.
>>After he crossed that 120K mark he could charge the car
>>overnight at his home to 100%. Normally he would recharge
>>during the day up to 75-80% but after crossing that 100K
>>mark the vehicle would only charge to about 35 miles
>>during the day. That's miles not percentage.
>
>>So he goes to the dealer and they say this is to be
>>expected. The only option he has is to buy a new battery
>>for over 9000 dollars. That's in addition to the 40000
>>dollars he still owes on the vehicle.
>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dartx7EoaQ
>
> Electric vehicles truly force people to use public
> transportation. That's what makes them so very green.

Which makes them doubly not a good idea in rural areas
with NO public transportation and longer distances to
stores and services.

Ptui!

Nyssa, who is going to stick with what she's already
got

On 2023-12-02 23:10:30 +0000, Nyssa said:
> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> After what I saw on YT today I wouldn't buy a Tesla. A man
>>> bought a used low mileage Tesla (2019) model and drove it
>>> for a year putting on about 100K miles on it. He was using
>>> it as a ride share vehicle six
>>> days a week. That's all good but after crossing that 100K
>>> mileage the charging changed.
>>>
>>> Before he could always charge up to 100% if he wanted.
>>> After he crossed that 120K mark he could charge the car
>>> overnight at his home to 100%. Normally he would recharge
>>> during the day up to 75-80% but after crossing that 100K
>>> mark the vehicle would only charge to about 35 miles
>>> during the day. That's miles not percentage.
>>>
>>> So he goes to the dealer and they say this is to be
>>> expected. The only option he has is to buy a new battery
>>> for over 9000 dollars. That's in addition to the 40000
>>> dollars he still owes on the vehicle.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dartx7EoaQ
>>
>> Electric vehicles truly force people to use public
>> transportation. That's what makes them so very green.
>
> Which makes them doubly not a good idea in rural areas
> with NO public transportation and longer distances to
> stores and services.
>
> Ptui!
>
> Nyssa, who is going to stick with what she's already
> got

Not even just rural areas. The public transport here in Auckland, New
Zealand's biggest city, is pitifully bad and they keep raising the
prices (as well as claiming more from government / city council
funding). :-\

On Dec 1, 2023 at 7:32:58 AM PST, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67580991
>
> Wonder if it'll flop too?

It is ugly, over-priced, over-hyped, and way behind schedule ... it is
already a flop, like everything else the idiot Musk Rat does. (Tesla is
even trying to give a $1000 bribe to get fools who pre-ordered a
Cybertruck to switch to another Tesla model.)

DeLorean is trying to make a comeback, but the "Cybertruck" won't even
make it to a proper release.