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 by: Jordy C - Sun, 9 Apr 2023 14:57 UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TBzDjc-gM

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 by: Will Dockery - Mon, 10 Apr 2023 17:16 UTC

On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TBzDjc-gM

Great selection, Jordy.

I consider Patti Smith one of the greatest poets of the 20th Century.

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 by: Jordy C - Mon, 10 Apr 2023 17:19 UTC

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:16:46 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
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> Great selection, Jordy.
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> I consider Patti Smith one of the greatest poets of the 20th Century.
agree, her first 4 albums are masterpieces, particularly "Horses" and "Easter", Imo...

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 by: Will Dockery - Mon, 10 Apr 2023 19:32 UTC

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:19:45 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:16:46 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
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> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TBzDjc-gM
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> > Great selection, Jordy.
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> > I consider Patti Smith one of the greatest poets of the 20th Century.
> agree, her first 4 albums are masterpieces, particularly "Horses" and "Easter", Imo...

"Radio Ethiopia" was a big influence on my early poetry and performance, also:

https://youtu.be/MNYiBUdY_kc

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 by: Zod - Wed, 12 Apr 2023 21:16 UTC

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:19:45 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:16:46 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
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> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TBzDjc-gM
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> > Great selection, Jordy.
> >
> > I consider Patti Smith one of the greatest poets of the 20th Century.
> agree, her first 4 albums are masterpieces, particularly "Horses" and "Easter", Imo...

Loved her 1988 album which came out when I was serving my country in the Navy, people have the power...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPR-HyGj2d0

I was dreamin' in my dreamin'
Of an aspect bright and fair
And my sleepin' it was broken
But my dream it lingered near

In the form of shinin' valleys
Where the pure air recognized
Oh, and my senses newly opened
And I awakened to the cry

And the people have the power
To redeem the work of fools
From the meek the graces shower
It's decreed the people rule

People have the power
People have the power
People have the power
People have the power

--Patti Smith

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 by: Will Dockery - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 22:13 UTC

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:16:17 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:19:45 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:16:46 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TBzDjc-gM
> > >
> > > Great selection, Jordy.
> > >
> > > I consider Patti Smith one of the greatest poets of the 20th Century.
> > agree, her first 4 albums are masterpieces, particularly "Horses" and "Easter", Imo...
> Loved her 1988 album which came out when I was serving my country in the Navy, people have the power...!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPR-HyGj2d0
>
> I was dreamin' in my dreamin'
> Of an aspect bright and fair
> And my sleepin' it was broken
> But my dream it lingered near
>
> In the form of shinin' valleys
> Where the pure air recognized
> Oh, and my senses newly opened
> And I awakened to the cry
>
> And the people have the power
> To redeem the work of fools
> From the meek the graces shower
> It's decreed the people rule
>
> People have the power
> People have the power
> People have the power
> People have the power
>
> --Patti Smith
>
> *****************************

That was a great comeback album for Patti Smith after her long sabbatical.

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On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 6:13:48 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:16:17 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:19:45 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:16:46 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TBzDjc-gM
> > > >
> > > > Great selection, Jordy.
> > > >
> > > > I consider Patti Smith one of the greatest poets of the 20th Century.
> > > agree, her first 4 albums are masterpieces, particularly "Horses" and "Easter", Imo...
> > Loved her 1988 album which came out when I was serving my country in the Navy, people have the power...!
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPR-HyGj2d0
> >
> > I was dreamin' in my dreamin'
> > Of an aspect bright and fair
> > And my sleepin' it was broken
> > But my dream it lingered near
> >
> > In the form of shinin' valleys
> > Where the pure air recognized
> > Oh, and my senses newly opened
> > And I awakened to the cry
> >
> > And the people have the power
> > To redeem the work of fools
> > From the meek the graces shower
> > It's decreed the people rule
> >
> > People have the power
> > People have the power
> > People have the power
> > People have the power
> >
> > --Patti Smith
> >
> > *****************************
> That was a great comeback album for Patti Smith after her long sabbatical..

Yep, but notheing seemed able to stop the Republicans in the 1980s...

Dukakis made some miss steps as well...

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It seems that I'm late for the Resurrection's renewal of wistful hope but then again, I'm more of a pessimist, so instead of observing human's so called "Good" Friday-- such such a pollyannaish positive spin on grim things, I solemnly observe "Bear the Cross," "A Fine Day to Die" Friday... Of course I do, I am of ashes, the afterword of self examination and repentence signified by the remains of the previous years' celebration of hopes for deliverance, the reminder that to dust we shall return.
So here's my nod to the J Man, the mortified Messiah...

"Make the sadness go away
Come back another day
The things I've said and done
Don't matter to anyone
But still, you push me to see
Something, I can never be
Why am I their shattered king?
I don't mean anything"
--'Melancholy (Holy Matyr)' ~~Iced Earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aCOAr4UjY

Thou art upon the cross-
melancholy messiah for the lost.
You shall die a scapegoat savior.
For whom do you suffer?

You, your flock has forsaken,
for they believe they know better.
So plead, plead to your Heaven
that they know no better.
~Testament of Hesper XIII:3

Long live the Crucifixion, it was our work, we humans, and we keep tightening the thumbscrews on his tortured memory...

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 by: Will Dockery - Sat, 15 Apr 2023 12:36 UTC

On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:11:13 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> It seems that I'm late for the Resurrection's renewal of wistful hope but then again, I'm more of a pessimist, so instead of observing human's so called "Good" Friday-- such such a pollyannaish positive spin on grim things, I solemnly observe "Bear the Cross," "A Fine Day to Die" Friday... Of course I do, I am of ashes, the afterword of self examination and repentence signified by the remains of the previous years' celebration of hopes for deliverance, the reminder that to dust we shall return.
> So here's my nod to the J Man, the mortified Messiah...
>
> "Make the sadness go away
> Come back another day
> The things I've said and done
> Don't matter to anyone
> But still, you push me to see
> Something, I can never be
> Why am I their shattered king?
> I don't mean anything"
> --'Melancholy (Holy Matyr)' ~~Iced Earth
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aCOAr4UjY
>
> Thou art upon the cross-
> melancholy messiah for the lost.
> You shall die a scapegoat savior.
> For whom do you suffer?
>
> You, your flock has forsaken,
> for they believe they know better.
> So plead, plead to your Heaven
> that they know no better.
> ~Testament of Hesper XIII:3
>
> Long live the Crucifixion, it was our work, we humans, and we keep tightening the thumbscrews on his tortured memory...

Okay, I'm reading a poem that relates:

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48948/eleven-addresses-to-the-lord

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On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:11:13 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >
> > It seems that I'm late for the Resurrection's renewal of wistful hope but then again, I'm more of a pessimist, so instead of observing human's so called "Good" Friday-- such such a pollyannaish positive spin on grim things, I solemnly observe "Bear the Cross," "A Fine Day to Die" Friday... Of course I do, I am of ashes, the afterword of self examination and repentence signified by the remains of the previous years' celebration of hopes for deliverance, the reminder that to dust we shall return.
> > So here's my nod to the J Man, the mortified Messiah...
> >
> > "Make the sadness go away
> > Come back another day
> > The things I've said and done
> > Don't matter to anyone
> > But still, you push me to see
> > Something, I can never be
> > Why am I their shattered king?
> > I don't mean anything"
> > --'Melancholy (Holy Matyr)' ~~Iced Earth
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aCOAr4UjY
> >
> > Thou art upon the cross-
> > melancholy messiah for the lost.
> > You shall die a scapegoat savior.
> > For whom do you suffer?
> >
> > You, your flock has forsaken,
> > for they believe they know better.
> > So plead, plead to your Heaven
> > that they know no better.
> > ~Testament of Hesper XIII:3
> >
> > Long live the Crucifixion, it was our work, we humans, and we keep tightening the thumbscrews on his tortured memory...
> Okay, I'm reading a poem that relates:
>
> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48948/eleven-addresses-to-the-lord

Their server was down when I followed that link so please tell me of what you read...

And in the meanwhile...

So many ways its been written and sung-
but what's a word's worth, of another soul or even that of our own?

"As if under mass hypnosis
The wide eyed sleepers fall into mass graves
They'll feel safer in the dirt
Their own opinions won't be heard
If asked could you decide what any man is worth?"
-- 'The Final Act' ~~Mushroomhead

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Jordy C wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TBzDjc-gM

Good afternoon, Jordy.

🙂

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On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 3:51:15 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TBzDjc-gM
> Good afternoon, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
Shalom Will

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Sun, 16 Apr 2023 04:17 UTC

On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:11:13 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >
> > It seems that I'm late for the Resurrection's renewal of wistful hope but then again, I'm more of a pessimist, so instead of observing human's so called "Good" Friday-- such such a pollyannaish positive spin on grim things, I solemnly observe "Bear the Cross," "A Fine Day to Die" Friday... Of course I do, I am of ashes, the afterword of self examination and repentence signified by the remains of the previous years' celebration of hopes for deliverance, the reminder that to dust we shall return.
> > So here's my nod to the J Man, the mortified Messiah...
> >
> > "Make the sadness go away
> > Come back another day
> > The things I've said and done
> > Don't matter to anyone
> > But still, you push me to see
> > Something, I can never be
> > Why am I their shattered king?
> > I don't mean anything"
> > --'Melancholy (Holy Matyr)' ~~Iced Earth
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aCOAr4UjY
> >
> > Thou art upon the cross-
> > melancholy messiah for the lost.
> > You shall die a scapegoat savior.
> > For whom do you suffer?
> >
> > You, your flock has forsaken,
> > for they believe they know better.
> > So plead, plead to your Heaven
> > that they know no better.
> > ~Testament of Hesper XIII:3
> >
> > Long live the Crucifixion, it was our work, we humans, and we keep tightening the thumbscrews on his tortured memory...
> Okay, I'm reading a poem that relates:
>
> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48948/eleven-addresses-to-the-lord

Well then, you had a chance to discuss poetry...
but I guess saying hello to Jordy was more important.

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Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:11:13 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >
>> > It seems that I'm late for the Resurrection's renewal of wistful hope but then again, I'm more of a pessimist, so instead of observing human's so called "Good" Friday-- such such a pollyannaish positive spin on grim things, I solemnly observe "Bear the Cross," "A Fine Day to Die" Friday... Of course I do, I am of ashes, the afterword of self examination and repentence signified by the remains of the previous years' celebration of hopes for deliverance, the reminder that to dust we shall return.
>> > So here's my nod to the J Man, the mortified Messiah...
>> >
>> > "Make the sadness go away
>> > Come back another day
>> > The things I've said and done
>> > Don't matter to anyone
>> > But still, you push me to see
>> > Something, I can never be
>> > Why am I their shattered king?
>> > I don't mean anything"
>> > --'Melancholy (Holy Matyr)' ~~Iced Earth
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aCOAr4UjY
>> >
>> > Thou art upon the cross-
>> > melancholy messiah for the lost.
>> > You shall die a scapegoat savior.
>> > For whom do you suffer?
>> >
>> > You, your flock has forsaken,
>> > for they believe they know better.
>> > So plead, plead to your Heaven
>> > that they know no better.
>> > ~Testament of Hesper XIII:3
>> >
>> > Long live the Crucifixion, it was our work, we humans, and we keep tightening the thumbscrews on his tortured memory...
>> Okay, I'm reading a poem that relates:
>>
>> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48948/eleven-addresses-to-the-lord

> Well then, you had a chance to discuss poetry

So what?

I can discuss poetry whenever I want.

🙂

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:41 UTC

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 2:40:45 AM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:11:13 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It seems that I'm late for the Resurrection's renewal of wistful hope but then again, I'm more of a pessimist, so instead of observing human's so called "Good" Friday-- such such a pollyannaish positive spin on grim things, I solemnly observe "Bear the Cross," "A Fine Day to Die" Friday... Of course I do, I am of ashes, the afterword of self examination and repentence signified by the remains of the previous years' celebration of hopes for deliverance, the reminder that to dust we shall return.
> >> > So here's my nod to the J Man, the mortified Messiah...
> >> >
> >> > "Make the sadness go away
> >> > Come back another day
> >> > The things I've said and done
> >> > Don't matter to anyone
> >> > But still, you push me to see
> >> > Something, I can never be
> >> > Why am I their shattered king?
> >> > I don't mean anything"
> >> > --'Melancholy (Holy Matyr)' ~~Iced Earth
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aCOAr4UjY
> >> >
> >> > Thou art upon the cross-
> >> > melancholy messiah for the lost.
> >> > You shall die a scapegoat savior.
> >> > For whom do you suffer?
> >> >
> >> > You, your flock has forsaken,
> >> > for they believe they know better.
> >> > So plead, plead to your Heaven
> >> > that they know no better.
> >> > ~Testament of Hesper XIII:3
> >> >
> >> > Long live the Crucifixion, it was our work, we humans, and we keep tightening the thumbscrews on his tortured memory...
> >> Okay, I'm reading a poem that relates:
> >>
> >> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48948/eleven-addresses-to-the-lord
>
> > Well then, you had a chance to discuss poetry
> So what?
>
> I can discuss poetry whenever I want.

So you say, just like you say that you're here [just]* for the poetry...
* When someone says that they're somewhere for something, they imply that that's what they're mainly interested in. Someone doesn't go to a restaurant saying that they're there for the main entree and then just order a side dish...
Your ego gets the better of you and gives you away-- so sad that.

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 by: Will Dockery - Sun, 16 Apr 2023 21:56 UTC

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 4:41:47 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 2:40:45 AM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:11:13 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > It seems that I'm late for the Resurrection's renewal of wistful hope but then again, I'm more of a pessimist, so instead of observing human's so called "Good" Friday-- such such a pollyannaish positive spin on grim things, I solemnly observe "Bear the Cross," "A Fine Day to Die" Friday... Of course I do, I am of ashes, the afterword of self examination and repentence signified by the remains of the previous years' celebration of hopes for deliverance, the reminder that to dust we shall return.
> > >> > So here's my nod to the J Man, the mortified Messiah...
> > >> >
> > >> > "Make the sadness go away
> > >> > Come back another day
> > >> > The things I've said and done
> > >> > Don't matter to anyone
> > >> > But still, you push me to see
> > >> > Something, I can never be
> > >> > Why am I their shattered king?
> > >> > I don't mean anything"
> > >> > --'Melancholy (Holy Matyr)' ~~Iced Earth
> > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aCOAr4UjY
> > >> >
> > >> > Thou art upon the cross-
> > >> > melancholy messiah for the lost.
> > >> > You shall die a scapegoat savior.
> > >> > For whom do you suffer?
> > >> >
> > >> > You, your flock has forsaken,
> > >> > for they believe they know better.
> > >> > So plead, plead to your Heaven
> > >> > that they know no better.
> > >> > ~Testament of Hesper XIII:3
> > >> >
> > >> > Long live the Crucifixion, it was our work, we humans, and we keep tightening the thumbscrews on his tortured memory...
> > >> Okay, I'm reading a poem that relates:
> > >>
> > >> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48948/eleven-addresses-to-the-lord
> >
> > > Well then, you had a chance to discuss poetry
> > So what?
> >
> > I can discuss poetry whenever I want.
> So you say

Yes, I do.

> just like you say that you're here [just]* for the poetry...

I've been here for the poetry for almost twenty years now, Ash.

HTH and HAND.

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Sun, 16 Apr 2023 23:42 UTC

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 4:41:47 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 2:40:45 AM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > > Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:11:13 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It seems that I'm late for the Resurrection's renewal of wistful hope but then again, I'm more of a pessimist, so instead of observing human's so called "Good" Friday-- such such a pollyannaish positive spin on grim things, I solemnly observe "Bear the Cross," "A Fine Day to Die" Friday.... Of course I do, I am of ashes, the afterword of self examination and repentence signified by the remains of the previous years' celebration of hopes for deliverance, the reminder that to dust we shall return.
> > > >> > So here's my nod to the J Man, the mortified Messiah...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "Make the sadness go away
> > > >> > Come back another day
> > > >> > The things I've said and done
> > > >> > Don't matter to anyone
> > > >> > But still, you push me to see
> > > >> > Something, I can never be
> > > >> > Why am I their shattered king?
> > > >> > I don't mean anything"
> > > >> > --'Melancholy (Holy Matyr)' ~~Iced Earth
> > > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aCOAr4UjY
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thou art upon the cross-
> > > >> > melancholy messiah for the lost.
> > > >> > You shall die a scapegoat savior.
> > > >> > For whom do you suffer?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You, your flock has forsaken,
> > > >> > for they believe they know better.
> > > >> > So plead, plead to your Heaven
> > > >> > that they know no better.
> > > >> > ~Testament of Hesper XIII:3
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Long live the Crucifixion, it was our work, we humans, and we keep tightening the thumbscrews on his tortured memory...
> > > >> Okay, I'm reading a poem that relates:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48948/eleven-addresses-to-the-lord
> > >
> > > > Well then, you had a chance to discuss poetry
> > > So what?
> > >
> > > I can discuss poetry whenever I want.
> > So you say
> Yes, I do.
> > just like you say that you're here [just]* for the poetry...
> I've been here for the poetry for almost twenty years now, Ash.

yeah, while your were here in your safe place stroking your ego with spamming, I was on the street watching people die due to the same idiocy...

Well, considering what you, yourself, said, when given the chance to discuss poetry:

W-Dockery
2:40 AM (17 hours ago)
"I can discuss poetry whenever I want."

and not delivering but instead being petty with Jordy to say hellos that are meaningless, only meant to provoke further fighting, we see what your words and claims are worth.

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Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 4:41:47 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 2:40:45 AM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
>> > > Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > >> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:11:13 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > It seems that I'm late for the Resurrection's renewal of wistful hope but then again, I'm more of a pessimist, so instead of observing human's so called "Good" Friday-- such such a pollyannaish positive spin on grim things, I solemnly observe "Bear the Cross," "A Fine Day to Die" Friday.... Of course I do, I am of ashes, the afterword of self examination and repentence signified by the remains of the previous years' celebration of hopes for deliverance, the reminder that to dust we shall return.
>> > > >> > So here's my nod to the J Man, the mortified Messiah...
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > "Make the sadness go away
>> > > >> > Come back another day
>> > > >> > The things I've said and done
>> > > >> > Don't matter to anyone
>> > > >> > But still, you push me to see
>> > > >> > Something, I can never be
>> > > >> > Why am I their shattered king?
>> > > >> > I don't mean anything"
>> > > >> > --'Melancholy (Holy Matyr)' ~~Iced Earth
>> > > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aCOAr4UjY
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Thou art upon the cross-
>> > > >> > melancholy messiah for the lost.
>> > > >> > You shall die a scapegoat savior.
>> > > >> > For whom do you suffer?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > You, your flock has forsaken,
>> > > >> > for they believe they know better.
>> > > >> > So plead, plead to your Heaven
>> > > >> > that they know no better.
>> > > >> > ~Testament of Hesper XIII:3
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Long live the Crucifixion, it was our work, we humans, and we keep tightening the thumbscrews on his tortured memory...
>> > > >> Okay, I'm reading a poem that relates:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48948/eleven-addresses-to-the-lord
>> > >
>> > > > Well then, you had a chance to discuss poetry
>> > > So what?
>> > >
>> > > I can discuss poetry whenever I want.
>> > So you say
>> Yes, I do.
>> > just like you say that you're here [just]* for the poetry...
>> I've been here for the poetry for almost twenty years now, Ash.

> yeah, while your were here in your safe place stroking your ego with spamming, I was on the street watching people die due to the same idiocy...

When did you begin writing poetry?

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Mon, 17 Apr 2023 20:52 UTC

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 9:31:15 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 4:41:47 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 2:40:45 AM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> >> > > Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > >> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:11:13 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > It seems that I'm late for the Resurrection's renewal of wistful hope but then again, I'm more of a pessimist, so instead of observing human's so called "Good" Friday-- such such a pollyannaish positive spin on grim things, I solemnly observe "Bear the Cross," "A Fine Day to Die" Friday.... Of course I do, I am of ashes, the afterword of self examination and repentence signified by the remains of the previous years' celebration of hopes for deliverance, the reminder that to dust we shall return.
> >> > > >> > So here's my nod to the J Man, the mortified Messiah...
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > "Make the sadness go away
> >> > > >> > Come back another day
> >> > > >> > The things I've said and done
> >> > > >> > Don't matter to anyone
> >> > > >> > But still, you push me to see
> >> > > >> > Something, I can never be
> >> > > >> > Why am I their shattered king?
> >> > > >> > I don't mean anything"
> >> > > >> > --'Melancholy (Holy Matyr)' ~~Iced Earth
> >> > > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aCOAr4UjY
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Thou art upon the cross-
> >> > > >> > melancholy messiah for the lost.
> >> > > >> > You shall die a scapegoat savior.
> >> > > >> > For whom do you suffer?
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > You, your flock has forsaken,
> >> > > >> > for they believe they know better.
> >> > > >> > So plead, plead to your Heaven
> >> > > >> > that they know no better.
> >> > > >> > ~Testament of Hesper XIII:3
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Long live the Crucifixion, it was our work, we humans, and we keep tightening the thumbscrews on his tortured memory...
> >> > > >> Okay, I'm reading a poem that relates:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48948/eleven-addresses-to-the-lord
> >> > >
> >> > > > Well then, you had a chance to discuss poetry
> >> > > So what?
> >> > >
> >> > > I can discuss poetry whenever I want.
> >> > So you say
> >> Yes, I do.
> >> > just like you say that you're here [just]* for the poetry...
> >> I've been here for the poetry for almost twenty years now, Ash.
>
> > yeah, while your were here in your safe place stroking your ego with spamming, I was on the street watching people die due to the same idiocy...
> When did you begin writing poetry?

What makes you ask that? (considering what you said it in response to)
If you must know, I started writing when I was about nine-- it was sparked by when I transcribed the Book of Revelation to a notepad block in my idle time. I was a little ahead of my age and my first influence was the Armageddon...

"Some people look at earth as a place of injustice. Some people look at earth as a prosperous and beautiful place. I, on other hand choose not to look, for I despise it all far too much. I say the earth must be destroyed and the earth will be destroyed for there is no possible way that we can survive our own human desire to evolve. To disarm our minds and to destroy our planet. My dream is what you all unknowingly strive for all that is self-annihilation."
--'Love Incinerate' ~~Puissance

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 by: Will Dockery - Mon, 17 Apr 2023 21:07 UTC

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 4:52:03 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 9:31:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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> > >> I've been here for the poetry for over twenty years now, Ash.
> >
> > > yeah, while your were here in your safe place stroking your ego with spamming, I was on the street watching people die due to the same idiocy...
>
> > When did you begin writing poetry?
> What makes you ask that

Why not?

:)

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 by: Will Dockery - Wed, 19 Apr 2023 12:37 UTC

Jordy C wrote:
> On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 3:51:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TBzDjc-gM
> > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> >
>
> Shalom Will

Hello again, my friend.

🙂

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On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 8:37:40 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Jordy C wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 3:51:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TBzDjc-gM
> > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > >
> >
> > Shalom Will
> Hello again, my friend.
>
> 🙂
bonjour, Will

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Jordy C wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 8:37:40 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Jordy C wrote:
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>> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TBzDjc-gM
>
>> Hello again, my friend.
>>
>
> bonjour, Will

Good afternoon, great to see you again today, Jordy.

:)

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Jordy C wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>> Jordy C wrote:
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>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TBzDjc-gM
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>> Great selection, Jordy.
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>> I consider Patti Smith one of the greatest poets of the 20th Century.
> agree, her first 4 albums are masterpieces, particularly "Horses" and "Easter", Imo...

Good morning my friend, again, agreed.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Thu, 4 May 2023 13:39 UTC

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 4:52:03 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 9:31:15 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 4:41:47 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> > On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 2:40:45 AM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > >> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:11:13 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > It seems that I'm late for the Resurrection's renewal of wistful hope but then again, I'm more of a pessimist, so instead of observing human's so called "Good" Friday-- such such a pollyannaish positive spin on grim things, I solemnly observe "Bear the Cross," "A Fine Day to Die" Friday.... Of course I do, I am of ashes, the afterword of self examination and repentence signified by the remains of the previous years' celebration of hopes for deliverance, the reminder that to dust we shall return.
> > >> > > >> > So here's my nod to the J Man, the mortified Messiah...
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > "Make the sadness go away
> > >> > > >> > Come back another day
> > >> > > >> > The things I've said and done
> > >> > > >> > Don't matter to anyone
> > >> > > >> > But still, you push me to see
> > >> > > >> > Something, I can never be
> > >> > > >> > Why am I their shattered king?
> > >> > > >> > I don't mean anything"
> > >> > > >> > --'Melancholy (Holy Matyr)' ~~Iced Earth
> > >> > > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aCOAr4UjY
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > Thou art upon the cross-
> > >> > > >> > melancholy messiah for the lost.
> > >> > > >> > You shall die a scapegoat savior.
> > >> > > >> > For whom do you suffer?
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > You, your flock has forsaken,
> > >> > > >> > for they believe they know better.
> > >> > > >> > So plead, plead to your Heaven
> > >> > > >> > that they know no better.
> > >> > > >> > ~Testament of Hesper XIII:3
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > Long live the Crucifixion, it was our work, we humans, and we keep tightening the thumbscrews on his tortured memory...
> > >> > > >> Okay, I'm reading a poem that relates:
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48948/eleven-addresses-to-the-lord
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Well then, you had a chance to discuss poetry
> > >> > > So what?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I can discuss poetry whenever I want.
> > >> > So you say
> > >> Yes, I do.
> > >> > just like you say that you're here [just]* for the poetry...
> > >> I've been here for the poetry for almost twenty years now, Ash.
> >
> > > yeah, while your were here in your safe place stroking your ego with spamming, I was on the street watching people die due to the same idiocy...
> > When did you begin writing poetry?
> What makes you ask that? (considering what you said it in response to)
> If you must know, I started writing when I was about nine-- it was sparked by when I transcribed the Book of Revelation to a notepad block in my idle time. I was a little ahead of my age and my first influence was the Armageddon...
>
>
>
> "Some people look at earth as a place of injustice. Some people look at earth as a prosperous and beautiful place. I, on other hand choose not to look, for I despise it all far too much. I say the earth must be destroyed and the earth will be destroyed for there is no possible way that we can survive our own human desire to evolve. To disarm our minds and to destroy our planet. My dream is what you all unknowingly strive for all that is self-annihilation."
> --'Love Incinerate' ~~Puissance

"Death... for everybody. An end to the human race. It has plagued this pretty planet for far too long."
-- Friend, "Zardoz"

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