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* How does a drug user and alcoholicEdward Rochester Esq.
`* Re: How does a drug user and alcoholicGeorge Dance
 +- Re: How does a drug user and alcoholicEdward Rochester Esq.
 +- Re: How does a drug user and alcoholicWill Dockery
 `* Re: How does a drug user and alcoholicMichael Pendragon
  `* Re: How does a drug user and alcoholicGeorge Dance
   `- Re: How does a drug user and alcoholicMichael Pendragon

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How does a drug user and alcoholic

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Subject: How does a drug user and alcoholic
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 by: Edward Rochester Esq - Fri, 9 Jun 2023 14:12 UTC

write a Bio of his life during the time he was a drug user and alcoholic?

His wife ran and tells us he looked all over while mostly stoned and drunk.

Even the man himself says, there were times he cannot remember.

The man who befriended mentor Zu Bolton, is a down and out liar.

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 by: George Dance - Fri, 9 Jun 2023 16:42 UTC

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:12:07 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> write a Bio of his life during the time he was a drug user and alcoholic?
> His wife ran and tells us he looked all over while mostly stoned and drunk.

Once again, "Edward": there's nothing in the Bio about his wife "running." Once again: what is your source for that?
> Even the man himself says, there were times he cannot remember.
Are you claiming that you "remember" details he didn't? Or that you talked to anyone who (unlike you) actually would have remembered the details?
> The man who befriended mentor Zu Bolton, is a down and out liar.

Let me remind you, "Eddie," that it's not Will's veracity that's in question. It's yours and your Michael's.

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Subject: Re: How does a drug user and alcoholic
From: blackpoo...@aol.com (Edward Rochester Esq.)
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 by: Edward Rochester Esq - Fri, 9 Jun 2023 16:53 UTC

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 12:42:27 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:12:07 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > write a Bio of his life during the time he was a drug user and alcoholic?
> > His wife ran and tells us he looked all over while mostly stoned and drunk.
> Once again, "Edward": there's nothing in the Bio about his wife "running." Once again: what is your source for that?
> > Even the man himself says, there were times he cannot remember.
> Are you claiming that you "remember" details he didn't? Or that you talked to anyone who (unlike you) actually would have remembered the details?
> > The man who befriended mentor Zu Bolton, is a down and out liar.
> Let me remind you, "Eddie," that it's not Will's veracity that's in question. It's yours and your Michael's.

Oh, Georgie, hush up.

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Subject: Re: How does a drug user and alcoholic
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 by: Will Dockery - Fri, 9 Jun 2023 17:14 UTC

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 12:42:27 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:12:07 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
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> > write a Bio of his life during the time he was a drug user and alcoholic?

Stop lying about me, Senetto.

I don't think I'd be considered an alcoholic or drug abuser at the time, back in 1981.

I drank but rarely excessively, and only experimented with drugs occasionally.

> > His wife ran and tells us he looked all over while mostly stoned and drunk.

I also worked a steady job as a warehouse assistant, which required me to be sober every day.

I drank a few beers after work, which isn't unusual for a working man.

> Once again, "Edward": there's nothing in the Bio about his wife "running." Once again: what is your source for that?
> > Even the man himself says, there were times he cannot remember.

Again, this is 1981 we're talking about, 42 years ago.

> Are you claiming that you "remember" details he didn't? Or that you talked to anyone who (unlike you) actually would have remembered the details?

Good point.

> > The man who befriended mentor Zu Bolton, is a down and out liar.
> Let me remind you, "Eddie," that it's not Will's veracity that's in question. It's yours and your Michael's.

The events happened 42 years ago, in 1981.

Does Jim Senetto claim to remember every detail of his life from 42 years ago?

(Moved from the troll thread.)

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Subject: Re: How does a drug user and alcoholic
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 by: Michael Pendragon - Fri, 9 Jun 2023 18:51 UTC

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 12:42:27 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:12:07 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > write a Bio of his life during the time he was a drug user and alcoholic?
> > His wife ran and tells us he looked all over while mostly stoned and drunk.
> Once again, "Edward": there's nothing in the Bio about his wife "running." Once again: what is your source for that?

Would you prefer "walked out"?

> > Even the man himself says, there were times he cannot remember.
> Are you claiming that you "remember" details he didn't? Or that you talked to anyone who (unlike you) actually would have remembered the details?
>

No, George. He's saying that Will has *stated* that he (Will Dockery) doesn't remember much from that period:

"At some point Christmas and New Years passed... for some reason those days are blanked out of my mind for 1981 - I must have partied..."

> > The man who befriended mentor Zu Bolton, is a down and out liar.
> Let me remind you, "Eddie," that it's not Will's veracity that's in question. It's yours and your Michael's.

That's a matter of perspective, George.

Jim and I doubt yours and Will's at least as much.

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 by: George Dance - Fri, 9 Jun 2023 19:17 UTC

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 2:52:00 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 12:42:27 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:12:07 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > write a Bio of his life during the time he was a drug user and alcoholic?
> > > His wife ran and tells us he looked all over while mostly stoned and drunk.
> > Once again, "Edward": there's nothing in the Bio about his wife "running." Once again: what is your source for that?
> Would you prefer "walked out"?

I'd prefer that he give some evidence for his claim, however he chooses to phrase it. He, of course, is trying to ignore me.

> > > Even the man himself says, there were times he cannot remember.
> > Are you claiming that you "remember" details he didn't? Or that you talked to anyone who (unlike you) actually would have remembered the details?
> >
> No, George. He's saying that Will has *stated* that he (Will Dockery) doesn't remember much from that period:
> "At some point Christmas and New Years passed... for some reason those days are blanked out of my mind for 1981 - I must have partied..."

As you know, he's talking about the period *after* his wife disappeared and he gave up trying to find her.

If "Rochester" is giving us "details" that Will has not "remembered," then he either got them from someone who does remember them, or from someone who invented them.

> > > The man who befriended mentor Zu Bolton, is a down and out liar.
> > Let me remind you, "Eddie," that it's not Will's veracity that's in question. It's yours and your Michael's.
> That's a matter of perspective, George.
>
> Jim and I doubt yours and Will's at least as much.

Neither Will nor I are pushing any claims as facts, remember. That's only the Liar Twins.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Fri, 9 Jun 2023 19:47 UTC

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 3:17:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 2:52:00 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 12:42:27 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:12:07 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > write a Bio of his life during the time he was a drug user and alcoholic?
> > > > His wife ran and tells us he looked all over while mostly stoned and drunk.
> > > Once again, "Edward": there's nothing in the Bio about his wife "running." Once again: what is your source for that?
> > Would you prefer "walked out"?
> I'd prefer that he give some evidence for his claim, however he chooses to phrase it. He, of course, is trying to ignore me.

Do you agree that Kathy Dockery disappeared one night in either November or December 1981, while crossing the street from her job to her apartment?

Do you agree that Will Dockery was unaware of where she was, or whether she was still alive until some time after New Year's Day 1982?

If you agree with both of the above, and are just disputing the terminology being used, my answer is that Kathy could have called Will at any time during the month she was in the mental institution, but chose not to.

When you disappear and leave your husband wondering whether you are dead or alive, that counts as having run out on him.

If you are trying to argue that she'd been kidnapped, you've got an awful lot of explaining to do, as there is no evidence to lead on to even suspect that such occurred.

> > > > Even the man himself says, there were times he cannot remember.
> > > Are you claiming that you "remember" details he didn't? Or that you talked to anyone who (unlike you) actually would have remembered the details?
> > >
> > No, George. He's saying that Will has *stated* that he (Will Dockery) doesn't remember much from that period:
> > "At some point Christmas and New Years passed... for some reason those days are blanked out of my mind for 1981 - I must have partied..."
> As you know, he's talking about the period *after* his wife disappeared and he gave up trying to find her.

You claim that she disappeared in December. He certainly gave up trying to find her pretty quickly, if he was partying himself senseless by Christmas..

> If "Rochester" is giving us "details" that Will has not "remembered," then he either got them from someone who does remember them, or from someone who invented them.
>

No one said that he was, George.

Here is what Jim actually wrote:

"How does a drug user and alcoholic write a Bio of his life during the time he was a drug user and alcoholic?

His wife ran and tells us he looked all over while mostly stoned and drunk.

Even the man himself says, there were times he cannot remember."

Again, WTF is wrong with you?

> > > > The man who befriended mentor Zu Bolton, is a down and out liar.
> > > Let me remind you, "Eddie," that it's not Will's veracity that's in question. It's yours and your Michael's.
> > That's a matter of perspective, George.
> >
> > Jim and I doubt yours and Will's at least as much.
> Neither Will nor I are pushing any claims as facts, remember. That's only the Liar Twins.

Will is doing his best to present the facts -- to the best of his knowledge and recollection.

I don't know what you're doing, and don't care enough to guess.

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