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* John Galsworthy on the Imprecision of MemoryNancyGene
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 by: NancyGene - Fri, 16 Jun 2023 16:19 UTC

“Memory heaps dead leaves on corpse-like deeds, from under which they do but vaguely offend the sense.” “The Forsyte Saga,” by John Galsworthy, Wordsworth Editions Limited, 1994 and 2001, p. 356.

Did your wife run away but you convinced yourself that instead she was kidnapped? Do you now think that everything turned out great?

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Sat, 17 Jun 2023 00:25 UTC

On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:19:37 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> “Memory heaps dead leaves on corpse-like deeds, from under which they do but vaguely offend the sense.” “The Forsyte Saga,” by John Galsworthy, Wordsworth Editions Limited, 1994 and 2001, p.. 356.
>
> Did your wife run away but you convinced yourself that instead she was kidnapped? Do you now think that everything turned out great?

I like these recent quips you're posting--
much more lively than laws and judicial opinions.
Legalese is good for writing but oh so dry
nothing like a good stirring speech from the likes of F Douglass

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 by: NancyGene - Sat, 17 Jun 2023 10:06 UTC

On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 12:25:53 AM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:19:37 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > “Memory heaps dead leaves on corpse-like deeds, from under which they do but vaguely offend the sense.” “The Forsyte Saga,” by John Galsworthy, Wordsworth Editions Limited, 1994 and 2001, p.. 356.
> >
> > Did your wife run away but you convinced yourself that instead she was kidnapped? Do you now think that everything turned out great?
> I like these recent quips you're posting--
> much more lively than laws and judicial opinions.
....or blind links without comment. We are glad that you enjoy these. Great (and even just good writers) create sentences and passages that the reader stops at and rereads for pleasure. We mark those passages as we read a book--the fewer the markers, the less we think of the writer's ability. Galsworthy has a lot of marks, as does Forester.

> Legalese is good for writing but oh so dry
> nothing like a good stirring speech from the likes of F Douglass

“The man who will get up will be helped up; and the man who will not get up will be allowed to stay down.”

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Sun, 18 Jun 2023 00:04 UTC

On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 6:06:48 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 12:25:53 AM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:19:37 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > “Memory heaps dead leaves on corpse-like deeds, from under which they do but vaguely offend the sense.” “The Forsyte Saga,” by John Galsworthy, Wordsworth Editions Limited, 1994 and 2001, p. 356.
> > >
> > > Did your wife run away but you convinced yourself that instead she was kidnapped? Do you now think that everything turned out great?
> > I like these recent quips you're posting--
> > much more lively than laws and judicial opinions.
> ...or blind links without comment. We are glad that you enjoy these. Great (and even just good writers) create sentences and passages that the reader stops at and rereads for pleasure. We mark those passages as we read a book--the fewer the markers, the less we think of the writer's ability. Galsworthy has a lot of marks, as does Forester.
> > Legalese is good for writing but oh so dry
> > nothing like a good stirring speech from the likes of F Douglass
> “The man who will get up will be helped up; and the man who will not get up will be allowed to stay down.”

*Ash is wooed again*

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Sun, 18 Jun 2023 03:16 UTC

On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 8:04:44 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 6:06:48 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 12:25:53 AM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:19:37 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > “Memory heaps dead leaves on corpse-like deeds, from under which they do but vaguely offend the sense.” “The Forsyte Saga,” by John Galsworthy, Wordsworth Editions Limited, 1994 and 2001, p. 356.
> > > >
> > > > Did your wife run away but you convinced yourself that instead she was kidnapped? Do you now think that everything turned out great?
> > > I like these recent quips you're posting--
> > > much more lively than laws and judicial opinions.
> > ...or blind links without comment. We are glad that you enjoy these. Great (and even just good writers) create sentences and passages that the reader stops at and rereads for pleasure. We mark those passages as we read a book--the fewer the markers, the less we think of the writer's ability. Galsworthy has a lot of marks, as does Forester.
> > > Legalese is good for writing but oh so dry
> > > nothing like a good stirring speech from the likes of F Douglass
> > “The man who will get up will be helped up; and the man who will not get up will be allowed to stay down.”
> *Ash is wooed again*

"Were I called upon to point out the broadest and most permanent distinction between mankind and other animals, it would be this; their earnest desire for the fullest knowledge of human nature on all its many sides. The importance of this knowledge is immeasurable, and by no other is human life so affected and colored. Nothing can bring to man so much of happiness or so much of misery as man himself. Today he exalts himself to heaven by his virtues and achievements; to-morrow he smites with sadness and pain, by his crimes and follies. But whether exalted or debased, charitable or wicked; whether saint or villain, priest or prize fighter; if only he be great in his line, he is an unfailing source of interest, as one of a common brotherhood; for the best man finds in his breast the evidence of kinship with the worst, and the worst with the best. Confront us with either extreme and you will rivet our attention and fix us in earnest contemplation, for our chief desire is to know what there is in man and to know him at all extremes and ends and opposites, and for this knowledge, or the want of it, we will follow him from the gates of life to the gates of death, and beyond them."
--Self Made Men' '~~Frederick Douglass http://www.frederick-douglass-heritage.org/self-made-men/

I stand at the edge of all I know of
the precipice of all that we know of
I turn my back on the discordant echoes
the choirs of strife and struggle, fires of my fellows
their baleful bonfires, their sanguine signal fires
the somber candle vigils of the survivors
freed of these burning desires I will remain
in solitude my waning flame will be claimed
~~AshWurthing

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Sun, 18 Jun 2023 22:58 UTC

On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:16:24 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 8:04:44 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 6:06:48 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 12:25:53 AM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:19:37 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > “Memory heaps dead leaves on corpse-like deeds, from under which they do but vaguely offend the sense.” “The Forsyte Saga,” by John Galsworthy, Wordsworth Editions Limited, 1994 and 2001, p. 356.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did your wife run away but you convinced yourself that instead she was kidnapped? Do you now think that everything turned out great?
> > > > I like these recent quips you're posting--
> > > > much more lively than laws and judicial opinions.
> > > ...or blind links without comment. We are glad that you enjoy these. Great (and even just good writers) create sentences and passages that the reader stops at and rereads for pleasure. We mark those passages as we read a book--the fewer the markers, the less we think of the writer's ability. Galsworthy has a lot of marks, as does Forester.
> > > > Legalese is good for writing but oh so dry
> > > > nothing like a good stirring speech from the likes of F Douglass
> > > “The man who will get up will be helped up; and the man who will not get up will be allowed to stay down.”
> > *Ash is wooed again*
> "Were I called upon to point out the broadest and most permanent distinction between mankind and other animals, it would be this; their earnest desire for the fullest knowledge of human nature on all its many sides. The importance of this knowledge is immeasurable, and by no other is human life so affected and colored. Nothing can bring to man so much of happiness or so much of misery as man himself. Today he exalts himself to heaven by his virtues and achievements; to-morrow he smites with sadness and pain, by his crimes and follies. But whether exalted or debased, charitable or wicked; whether saint or villain, priest or prize fighter; if only he be great in his line, he is an unfailing source of interest, as one of a common brotherhood; for the best man finds in his breast the evidence of kinship with the worst, and the worst with the best. Confront us with either extreme and you will rivet our attention and fix us in earnest contemplation, for our chief desire is to know what there is in man and to know him at all extremes and ends and opposites, and for this knowledge, or the want of it, we will follow him from the gates of life to the gates of death, and beyond them."
> --Self Made Men' '~~Frederick Douglass http://www.frederick-douglass-heritage.org/self-made-men/
>
>
> I stand at the edge of all I know of
> the precipice of all that we know of
> I turn my back on the discordant echoes
> the choirs of strife and struggle, fires of my fellows
> their baleful bonfires, their sanguine signal fires
> the somber candle vigils of the survivors
> freed of these burning desires I will remain
> in solitude my waning flame will be claimed
> ~~AshWurthing

My cohorts cajoled me into submitting this to AYoS. Normally I won't post my _ pieces but my crew always have my ear.
The promised other piece was ready, but a last minute editorial whim is holding it up-- I have to wait on time zones...

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Subject: Re: John Galsworthy on the Imprecision of Memory
From: nancygen...@gmail.com (NancyGene)
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 by: NancyGene - Mon, 19 Jun 2023 00:22 UTC

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 10:58:56 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:16:24 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 8:04:44 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 6:06:48 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 12:25:53 AM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:19:37 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > “Memory heaps dead leaves on corpse-like deeds, from under which they do but vaguely offend the sense.” “The Forsyte Saga,” by John Galsworthy, Wordsworth Editions Limited, 1994 and 2001, p. 356.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did your wife run away but you convinced yourself that instead she was kidnapped? Do you now think that everything turned out great?
> > > > > I like these recent quips you're posting--
> > > > > much more lively than laws and judicial opinions.
> > > > ...or blind links without comment. We are glad that you enjoy these.. Great (and even just good writers) create sentences and passages that the reader stops at and rereads for pleasure. We mark those passages as we read a book--the fewer the markers, the less we think of the writer's ability. Galsworthy has a lot of marks, as does Forester.
> > > > > Legalese is good for writing but oh so dry
> > > > > nothing like a good stirring speech from the likes of F Douglass
> > > > “The man who will get up will be helped up; and the man who will not get up will be allowed to stay down.”
> > > *Ash is wooed again*
> > "Were I called upon to point out the broadest and most permanent distinction between mankind and other animals, it would be this; their earnest desire for the fullest knowledge of human nature on all its many sides. The importance of this knowledge is immeasurable, and by no other is human life so affected and colored. Nothing can bring to man so much of happiness or so much of misery as man himself. Today he exalts himself to heaven by his virtues and achievements; to-morrow he smites with sadness and pain, by his crimes and follies. But whether exalted or debased, charitable or wicked; whether saint or villain, priest or prize fighter; if only he be great in his line, he is an unfailing source of interest, as one of a common brotherhood; for the best man finds in his breast the evidence of kinship with the worst, and the worst with the best. Confront us with either extreme and you will rivet our attention and fix us in earnest contemplation, for our chief desire is to know what there is in man and to know him at all extremes and ends and opposites, and for this knowledge, or the want of it, we will follow him from the gates of life to the gates of death, and beyond them."
> > --Self Made Men' '~~Frederick Douglass http://www.frederick-douglass-heritage.org/self-made-men/
> >
> >
> > I stand at the edge of all I know of
> > the precipice of all that we know of
> > I turn my back on the discordant echoes
> > the choirs of strife and struggle, fires of my fellows
> > their baleful bonfires, their sanguine signal fires
> > the somber candle vigils of the survivors
> > freed of these burning desires I will remain
> > in solitude my waning flame will be claimed
> > ~~AshWurthing
> My cohorts cajoled me into submitting this to AYoS. Normally I won't post my _ pieces but my crew always have my ear.
> The promised other piece was ready, but a last minute editorial whim is holding it up-- I have to wait on time zones...

Your cohorts are wise. We like "the choirs of strife and struggle, fires of my fellows." The alliteration works very well, and it sounds great when read aloud.

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