On Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 11:02:04 AM UTC-5, George Dance wrote:
> On Jan 16, 6:23 am, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:19:58 -0800 (PST), George Dance
> >> <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >On Jan 15, 5:16 pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:16:11 -0800 (PST), George Dance
> > >> <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >> >AAPC recently witnessed the return of one of our own regulars,
> > >> >~karlapoet~, of the ~poets~*, to complain once more about my quoting
> > >> >from a poem without attribution two years ago, and to excuse herself
> > >> >and her fellow ~poet~, ~cytherapoet~, for doing the same thing. In the
> > >> >course of her screed, ~karlapoet~ mentioned Sarah Palin as an analogy.
> > >> >("George, like Sarah Palin,
> > >> >failed to apologize and adopted the role of the victim."). Indeed the
> > >> >Palin story is an instructive analogy (though not in the way
> > >> >~karlapoet~ thinks) -- so, while I skipped commenting on that for the
> > >> >sake of brevity in my reply, I thought it deserved a longer
> > >> >treatment.
> >
> > >> >Here's the story ~karlapoet~ is referring to:
> >
> > >> >A week ago, a lone gunman shot 20 people, including Rep. Gabrielle
> > >> >Giffords (D-AZ) in Tucson, AZ, killing six. Immediately Democratic
> > >> >Party supporters in the media began blaming Sarah Palin and the Tea
> > >> >Party for having a hand in the assassination. Literally just minutes
> > >> >after the first news story on the shooting, for example, Markos
> > >> >Moulitsas ('kos' of the blog Daily Kos) sent out a tweet on the event
> > >> >proclaiming: "Mission Accomplished, Sarah Palin."
> >
> > >> >kos linked to a map Palin had put on her facebook page the previous
> > >> >March, 'targeting' 20 Democratic congressmen for election defeat in
> > >> >the midterms, with crosshair symbols on their districts. Since
> > >> >Giffords was one of the targets, the theory ran, the map was what
> > >> >inspired the killer to shoot her. Within the hour Paul Krugman of the
> > >> >NY Times had picked up the story, and the news that Palin had been
> > >> >implicated in the assassination had gone viral.
> >
> > >> >It later came out that kos had also published a list of 'targeted'
> > >> >Congressman in the 2010 election on his blog, and had written about
> > >> >putting bullseyes on each of them. Giffords turned out to be one of
> > >> >his targets as well.
> >
> > >> >It also came out that Palin's map had been previously attacked in
> > >> >March: by Krugman, for instance; and by Democratic Congressional
> > >> >Campaign Committee (DCCC) chair Rep. Chris van Hollen, who warned that
> > >> >someone might 'take it seriously'. It later came out that the DCCC
> > >> >also had a map of 'targeted' Republican congressmen, with bullseyes on
> > >> >their districts.
> >
> > >> >The story died when no evidence linking the killer to Palin, her map,
> > >> >or indeed anyone in the Tea Party movement was found. (If he had ever
> > >> >gone to a Tea Party meeting, then God help the movement!). Today the
> > >> >same people who were libelling and slandering Palin as a murderer have
> > >> >stopped, and are instead criticizing her for 'portraying herself as a
> > >> >victim').
> >
> > >> >Meanwhile, kos and the DCCC received, and still receive, no criticism
> > >> >from the same people for their target lists -- even though there's as
> > >> >much chance that Giffords's shooter was inspired by kos's site as by
> > >> >Palin's. Why? Because the Democrats are the good guys, of course,
> > >> >while the Republicans, Palin, and the Tea Partiers are the new Nazis.
> > >> >(Krugman, who is Jewish, has accused Palin and other Republicans of
> > >> >being neo-Nazis, in code of course, in his column.)
> >
> > >> You assume wrongly. Arizona was a tragedy and I disagree with those who
> > >> are linking political symbology (crosshairs).
> >
> > >Did you not read what I wrote, did you not understand it, or are you
> > >lying about it?
> Well, Karla, which is it: Did you not read, did you not understand
> what you wrote, or were you deliberately lying again?
> > >I pointed out that you're doing the same as Moulitsas: just as he
> > >libelled Palin as an accomplice to murder for doing the same thing he
> > >and his chosen party were doing, you (and your fellow ~poets~) have
> > >been libelling me (and possibly others) for doing the same thing you
> > >and your fellow ~poets~ were doing both before and since.
> >
> > >> You also can't seem to read. You resemble Sarah Palin because you get
> > >> nutty
> >
> > >IOW: Palin is 'nutty' because she objects to being called a murderer.
> > >I'm 'nutty' because I object to being called a plagiarist. Right!
> >
> > >> rather than do the obvious, cordial thing: apologize.
> >
> > >"
> > >Mar. 1,2009: "I'll commit to attributing any poetry I post
> > >by anyone else, whether I think someone will recognize it or
> > >not. I thought it was OK, as it's been done before and has
> > >been treated as OK then. But I realize it's not as OK as
> > >thought it was, and I will do my best to not do it again."
> >
> > >https://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/ms
> > >g/7bb003bc76a94033
> >
> > >March 1, 2009: "I posted a famous poem without crediting the author.
> > >I'd seen it done before, and had been convinced that it wasn't
> > >plagiarism. I still don't think it is, but I won't do it again."
> > >https://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/4ded20a8....
> >
> > >That wasn't the apology that was written for me to post (which was a
> > >confession of intent to plagiarize), so I can understand why you
> > >wouldn't want to count it.
> >
> > >> Your huge ego
> > >> blows it all out of proportion
> >
> > >Out of proportion? You know most magazines won't touch my work now.
> > >They don't know the details and don't want to; they just want to avoid
> > >lawsuits. I've been blacklisted, for your fun.
> >
> > Most magazines...how many? I have the 2010 Writer's Market. I bet there
> > are a thousand magazines in there. Did *most* magazines communicate that to
> > you in writing? Are you sure it isn't because your poetry isn't up to
> > their standards or maybe didn't fit their magazine? How did *most*
> > magazines blacklist you? And I don't think it's fun - the day you wrote
> > "Hmmm ... What do you think of this?" and posted the Cohen poem, I got
> > pissed and let you know it.
> No, ~karlapoet~, that is not true.
> > As I wrote then, I thought you were playing the
> > gotcha game
> No, that is not true either.
> >and I didn't like the imagist thread being derailed.
> >
> Nor is that true.

You're arguing at the Will Donkey level of automatically denying everything that's said without providing so much as a reason for doing so.

> You see why I've told you that nothing you write can be believed.

No... Karla raised fair points.

You attempted to dismiss them by stamping your foot and chanting "Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!"

Frankly, this exchange demonstrates why one should not believe you.

> > >> and the next thing you know, you're drawing
> > >> lines in the sand with every single post made, advancing names for this
> > >> group and that group.
> >
> > >I came up with one name: I've withdrawn it and advanced another one.
> >
> > >> never forgetting the past. In other words, playing
> > >> the victim.
> >
> > >Just how many times in the last month has my alleged theft been
> > >mentioned on aapc? Twice a week looks about right. When was the last
> > >time you mentioned it. Last night, right? When before that? October,
> > >the last time you were posting here, right? Who isn't forgetting the
> > >past here?
> >
> > Anytime lately I read this group again, you're drawing lines in the sand,
> > lumping people together.
> >
> Oh, right: you and your trollfriends have to shit and piss on the
> group because I 'lumped you together'. You were doing the same thing
> here (and on RAP) before I showed up, remember? Just how was I
> 'lumping you together' in those days?