On Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 4:06:15 PM UTC-5, George Dance wrote:
> On Jan 16, 3:17 pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:02:04 -0800 (PST), George Dance
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> > <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >On Jan 16, 6:23 am, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:19:58 -0800 (PST), George Dance
> > >>> <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >> >On Jan 15, 5:16 pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> > >> >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:16:11 -0800 (PST), George Dance
> > >> >> <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >> >> >AAPC recently witnessed the return of one of our own regulars,
> > >> >> >~karlapoet~, of the ~poets~*, to complain once more about my quoting
> > >> >> >from a poem without attribution two years ago, and to excuse herself
> > >> >> >and her fellow ~poet~, ~cytherapoet~, for doing the same thing. In the
> > >> >> >course of her screed, ~karlapoet~ mentioned Sarah Palin as an analogy.
> > >> >> >("George, like Sarah Palin,
> > >> >> >failed to apologize and adopted the role of the victim."). Indeed the
> > >> >> >Palin story is an instructive analogy (though not in the way
> > >> >> >~karlapoet~ thinks) -- so, while I skipped commenting on that for the
> > >> >> >sake of brevity in my reply, I thought it deserved a longer
> > >> >> >treatment.
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> > >> >> >Here's the story ~karlapoet~ is referring to:
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> > >> >> >A week ago, a lone gunman shot 20 people, including Rep. Gabrielle
> > >> >> >Giffords (D-AZ) in Tucson, AZ, killing six. Immediately Democratic
> > >> >> >Party supporters in the media began blaming Sarah Palin and the Tea
> > >> >> >Party for having a hand in the assassination. Literally just minutes
> > >> >> >after the first news story on the shooting, for example, Markos
> > >> >> >Moulitsas ('kos' of the blog Daily Kos) sent out a tweet on the event
> > >> >> >proclaiming: "Mission Accomplished, Sarah Palin."
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> > >> >> >kos linked to a map Palin had put on her facebook page the previous
> > >> >> >March, 'targeting' 20 Democratic congressmen for election defeat in
> > >> >> >the midterms, with crosshair symbols on their districts. Since
> > >> >> >Giffords was one of the targets, the theory ran, the map was what
> > >> >> >inspired the killer to shoot her. Within the hour Paul Krugman of the
> > >> >> >NY Times had picked up the story, and the news that Palin had been
> > >> >> >implicated in the assassination had gone viral.
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> > >> >> >It later came out that kos had also published a list of 'targeted'
> > >> >> >Congressman in the 2010 election on his blog, and had written about
> > >> >> >putting bullseyes on each of them. Giffords turned out to be one of
> > >> >> >his targets as well.
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> > >> >> >It also came out that Palin's map had been previously attacked in
> > >> >> >March: by Krugman, for instance; and by Democratic Congressional
> > >> >> >Campaign Committee (DCCC) chair Rep. Chris van Hollen, who warned that
> > >> >> >someone might 'take it seriously'. It later came out that the DCCC
> > >> >> >also had a map of 'targeted' Republican congressmen, with bullseyes on
> > >> >> >their districts.
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> > >> >> >The story died when no evidence linking the killer to Palin, her map,
> > >> >> >or indeed anyone in the Tea Party movement was found. (If he had ever
> > >> >> >gone to a Tea Party meeting, then God help the movement!). Today the
> > >> >> >same people who were libelling and slandering Palin as a murderer have
> > >> >> >stopped, and are instead criticizing her for 'portraying herself as a
> > >> >> >victim').
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> > >> >> >Meanwhile, kos and the DCCC received, and still receive, no criticism
> > >> >> >from the same people for their target lists -- even though there's as
> > >> >> >much chance that Giffords's shooter was inspired by kos's site as by
> > >> >> >Palin's. Why? Because the Democrats are the good guys, of course,
> > >> >> >while the Republicans, Palin, and the Tea Partiers are the new Nazis.
> > >> >> >(Krugman, who is Jewish, has accused Palin and other Republicans of
> > >> >> >being neo-Nazis, in code of course, in his column.)
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> > >> >> You assume wrongly. Arizona was a tragedy and I disagree with those who
> > >> >> are linking political symbology (crosshairs).
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> > >> >Did you not read what I wrote, did you not understand it, or are you
> > >> >lying about it?
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> > >Well, Karla, which is it: Did you not read, did you not understand
> > >what you wrote, or were you deliberately lying again?
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> > >> >I pointed out that you're doing the same as Moulitsas: just as he
> > >> >libelled Palin as an accomplice to murder for doing the same thing he
> > >> >and his chosen party were doing, you (and your fellow ~poets~) have
> > >> >been libelling me (and possibly others) for doing the same thing you
> > >> >and your fellow ~poets~ were doing both before and since.
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> > >> >> You also can't seem to read. You resemble Sarah Palin because you get
> > >> >> nutty
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> > >> >IOW: Palin is 'nutty' because she objects to being called a murderer.
> > >> >I'm 'nutty' because I object to being called a plagiarist. Right!
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> > >> >> rather than do the obvious, cordial thing: apologize.
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> > >> >Mar. 1,2009: "I'll commit to attributing any poetry I post
> > >> >by anyone else, whether I think someone will recognize it or
> > >> >not. I thought it was OK, as it's been done before and has
> > >> >been treated as OK then. But I realize it's not as OK as
> > >> >thought it was, and I will do my best to not do it again."
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> > >> >https://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/ms
> > >> >g/7bb003bc76a94033
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> > >> >March 1, 2009: "I posted a famous poem without crediting the author..
> > >> >I'd seen it done before, and had been convinced that it wasn't
> > >> >plagiarism. I still don't think it is, but I won't do it again."
> > >> >https://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/4ded20a8...
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> > >> >That wasn't the apology that was written for me to post (which was a
> > >> >confession of intent to plagiarize), so I can understand why you
> > >> >wouldn't want to count it.
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> > >> >> Your huge ego
> > >> >> blows it all out of proportion
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> > >> >Out of proportion? You know most magazines won't touch my work now.
> > >> >They don't know the details and don't want to; they just want to avoid
> > >> >lawsuits. I've been blacklisted, for your fun.
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> > >> Most magazines...how many? I have the 2010 Writer's Market. I bet there
> > >> are a thousand magazines in there. Did *most* magazines communicate that to
> > >> you in writing? Are you sure it isn't because your poetry isn't up to
> > >> their standards or maybe didn't fit their magazine? How did *most*
> > >> magazines blacklist you?
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> > Again, most magazines? You're standing by that?
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> I've been told that no poetry magazines will even read my work. That's
> probably an exaggeration, but otherwise I see no reason to disbelieve
> it.

Your reputation for crappy poetry has reached epic proportions!