On 3/11/24 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <usmt6h$3ju6f$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/10/24 2:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>
>>>> They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to
>>>> like it.
>>>
>>> Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of
>>> 8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.
>>>
>>> You're a joke.
>>>
>> What's not funny is that you're right. You WOULD do it if Trump ordered it.
>
> Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?
>

You'd suck his ass clean if he asked.

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On 3/11/24 3:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <usmtaj$3ju6f$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/10/24 3:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <uskd6v$300lk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/8/24 9:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and
>>>>>>>>>> includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the
>>>>>>>>> border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to
>>>>>>>>> address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks
>>>>>>> ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting
>>>>>>> Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to ignore
>>>>>>> it again?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so here
>>>>>>> goes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't
>>>>>>>> good enough
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're referring
>>>>>>> to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got
>>>>>>> next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And
>>>>>>> that's being generous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border every
>>>>>>> month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of prison
>>>>>>> in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit
>>>>>>> their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely nothing to
>>>>>>> secure the border.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is necessary in
>>>>>>> the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and
>>>>>>> Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the
>>>>>>> authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border if he
>>>>>>> determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include refugees.
>>>>>>> There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent asylum
>>>>>>> claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen into
>>>>>>> this country. Period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of the
>>>>>>> United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to
>>>>>>> start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
>>>>>>> constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just need to
>>>>>>> start enforcing existing laws as they stand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But if the White House actually adopted this simple and straightforward
>>>>>>> solution, two things would happen:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal voters
>>>>>>> once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
>>>>>>> citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
>>>>>>> described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society which
>>>>>>> can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding
>>>>>>> plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of millions
>>>>>>> of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So here we are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion
>>>>>>> dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
>>>>>>> already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing with
>>>>>>> that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion more on
>>>>>>> their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure the
>>>>>>> borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only allocates $20
>>>>>>> billion for U.S. border security.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders are
>>>>>>> proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two
>>>>>>> other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of our own
>>>>>>> country.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going for
>>>>>>> our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the entry
>>>>>>> of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, the bill
>>>>>>> allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
>>>>>>> assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified
>>>>>>> organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and
>>>>>>> linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and
>>>>>>> legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management
>>>>>>> assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two
>>>>>>> billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that exist
>>>>>>> principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this country as
>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for illegals to
>>>>>>> come here in the first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive
>>>>>>> Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
>>>>>>> illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
>>>>>>> emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it
>>>>>>> will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could effectively
>>>>>>> just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries other
>>>>>>> than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border closings.
>>>>>>> In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, Cuba,
>>>>>>> Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have 20,000
>>>>>>> of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, even
>>>>>>> if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the
>>>>>>> bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
>>>>>>> requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land ports of
>>>>>>> entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never closes
>>>>>>> but claims must be processed at the ports."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border
>>>>>>> never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing centers
>>>>>>> where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
>>>>>>> design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given the
>>>>>>> bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does get
>>>>>>> re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do
>>>>>>> crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
>>>>>>> never-ending firehose of illegals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
>>>>>>> already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country. Right
>>>>>>> now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant possibility
>>>>>>> that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the basis of
>>>>>>> race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high standard. It
>>>>>>> doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims.
>>>>>>> Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which they've
>>>>>>> rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would
>>>>>>> lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
>>>>>>> "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable"
>>>>>>> possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of saying
>>>>>>> 'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can
>>>>>>> clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get turned
>>>>>>> away if that's the standard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure than it
>>>>>>> already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people imagined
>>>>>>> was even possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on arrival. But
>>>>>>> it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was
>>>>>>> anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their own
>>>>>>> citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other
>>>>>>> countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the border, they
>>>>>>> don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a racist
>>>>>>> for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that
>>>>>>> would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people,
>>>>>>> Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about what's
>>>>>>> going on at the border. There's no support for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a nearly
>>>>>>> $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do something as
>>>>>>> basic as enforcing the law here in America.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign countries
>>>>>>> vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a fraction
>>>>>>> of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most Americans want
>>>>>>> our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It is not
>>>>>>> an unreasonable thing for us to want.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in WWII if
>>>>>> it meant no American lives would have been lost?
>>>>>
>>>>> What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary
>>>>> before we could enforce our own laws here in America?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what was in
>>>>> the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother responding
>>>>> to any of it. Again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad
>>>>> about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.
>>>>>
>>>> Because your excuses are BULLSHIT.
>>>
>>> Nothing I wrote above is an excuse. It's a description of what's
>>> actually in the bill. You won't address it because you know you can't
>>> defend it.
>>>
>>>> YOU fuckers crafted the fucking bill. If it blows, it blows because
>>>> YOU fuckers made it blow.
>>>
>>> Oh, I'm sorry. You seem to be under the impression I've been in
>>> Washington DC lately writing legislation. *I* didn't do anything and
>>> since I'm not a partisan simp like you, I can criticize politicians when
>>> they do stupid shit even when they're on my 'side'.
>>>
>>> I don't care who wrote the damn thing or who was bribed to say it's a
>>> good thing when they know it's not. Legalize the flow of millions of
>>> unvetted illegals per year into the country is objectively *not* a good
>>> thing and this Orwellian shit where we pretend the border is secure
>>> merely because we passed a bill to legalize the chaos is the height of
>>> absurdity.
>>>
>>>> You asked for what you wanted. Dems said yes.
>>>
>>> No, they didn't or the border would be secure. The Dems sure as shit
>>> didn't give me what *I* wanted.
>
>> It's YOUR wishlist.
>
> It's obviously not my wishlist or I wouldn't be complaining about it.
>
> Simple logic eludes you yet again.
>

On 3/11/24 7:24 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 3/10/24 2:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> On 3/8/24 8:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching
>>>>>>>>>> bill, and
>>>>>>>>>> includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to
>>>>>>>>> open the
>>>>>>>>> border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he
>>>>>>>>> wants to
>>>>>>>>> address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks
>>>>>>> ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting
>>>>>>> Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to
>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>> it again?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so
>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>> goes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't
>>>>>>>> good enough
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're
>>>>>>> referring
>>>>>>> to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got
>>>>>>> next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And
>>>>>>> that's being generous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>> month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of
>>>>>>> prison
>>>>>>> in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit
>>>>>>> their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely
>>>>>>> nothing to
>>>>>>> secure the border.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is
>>>>>>> necessary in
>>>>>>> the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and
>>>>>>> Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the
>>>>>>> authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border
>>>>>>> if he
>>>>>>> determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include
>>>>>>> refugees.
>>>>>>> There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent
>>>>>>> asylum
>>>>>>> claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> this country. Period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to
>>>>>>> start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
>>>>>>> constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just
>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>> start enforcing existing laws as they stand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But if the White House actually adopted this simple and
>>>>>>> straightforward
>>>>>>> solution, two things would happen:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal
>>>>>>> voters
>>>>>>> once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
>>>>>>> citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
>>>>>>> described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding
>>>>>>> plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of
>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>> of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So here we are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion
>>>>>>> dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
>>>>>>> already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion
>>>>>>> more on
>>>>>>> their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only
>>>>>>> allocates $20
>>>>>>> billion for U.S. border security.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two
>>>>>>> other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of
>>>>>>> our own
>>>>>>> country.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the
>>>>>>> entry
>>>>>>> of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically,
>>>>>>> the bill
>>>>>>> allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
>>>>>>> assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified
>>>>>>> organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and
>>>>>>> linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and
>>>>>>> legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management
>>>>>>> assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two
>>>>>>> billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that
>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>> principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this
>>>>>>> country as
>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for
>>>>>>> illegals to
>>>>>>> come here in the first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive
>>>>>>> Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
>>>>>>> illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
>>>>>>> emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it
>>>>>>> will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could
>>>>>>> effectively
>>>>>>> just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border
>>>>>>> closings.
>>>>>>> In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti,
>>>>>>> Cuba,
>>>>>>> Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have
>>>>>>> 20,000
>>>>>>> of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border,
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the
>>>>>>> bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
>>>>>>> requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land
>>>>>>> ports of
>>>>>>> entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never
>>>>>>> closes
>>>>>>> but claims must be processed at the ports."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border
>>>>>>> never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing
>>>>>>> centers
>>>>>>> where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
>>>>>>> design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do
>>>>>>> crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
>>>>>>> never-ending firehose of illegals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
>>>>>>> already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country.
>>>>>>> Right
>>>>>>> now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant
>>>>>>> possibility
>>>>>>> that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the
>>>>>>> basis of
>>>>>>> race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high
>>>>>>> standard. It
>>>>>>> doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims.
>>>>>>> Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which
>>>>>>> they've
>>>>>>> rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would
>>>>>>> lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
>>>>>>> "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable"
>>>>>>> possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of
>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>> 'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get
>>>>>>> turned
>>>>>>> away if that's the standard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure
>>>>>>> than it
>>>>>>> already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people
>>>>>>> imagined
>>>>>>> was even possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on
>>>>>>> arrival. But
>>>>>>> it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was
>>>>>>> anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>> citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other
>>>>>>> countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the border,
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a
>>>>>>> racist
>>>>>>> for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that
>>>>>>> would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people,
>>>>>>> Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about
>>>>>>> what's
>>>>>>> going on at the border. There's no support for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a
>>>>>>> nearly
>>>>>>> $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do
>>>>>>> something as
>>>>>>> basic as enforcing the law here in America.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign
>>>>>>> countries
>>>>>>> vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a
>>>>>>> fraction
>>>>>>> of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most
>>>>>>> Americans want
>>>>>>> our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It
>>>>>>> is not
>>>>>>> an unreasonable thing for us to want.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in
>>>>>> WWII if
>>>>>> it meant no American lives would have been lost?
>>>>>
>>>>> What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary
>>>>> before we could enforce our own laws here in America?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what
>>>>> was in
>>>>> the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother responding
>>>>> to any of it. Again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad
>>>>> about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.
>>
>>> They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to
>>> like it.
>>
>> Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of
>> 8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.
>>
>> You're a joke.
>>
>
> What's not funny is that you're right.  You WOULD do it if Trump ordered
> it.

On 3/12/24 2:36 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 3/11/24 3:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <usmtaj$3ju6f$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/10/24 3:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <uskd6v$300lk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/8/24 9:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching
>>>>>>>>>>> bill, and
>>>>>>>>>>> includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to
>>>>>>>>>> open the
>>>>>>>>>> border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he
>>>>>>>>>> wants to
>>>>>>>>>> address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several
>>>>>>>> weeks
>>>>>>>> ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by
>>>>>>>> insulting
>>>>>>>> Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to
>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>> it again?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste
>>>>>>>> so here
>>>>>>>> goes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't
>>>>>>>>> good enough
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're
>>>>>>>> referring
>>>>>>>> to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO
>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>> next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And
>>>>>>>> that's being generous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the
>>>>>>>> border every
>>>>>>>> month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out
>>>>>>>> of prison
>>>>>>>> in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to
>>>>>>>> commit
>>>>>>>> their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely
>>>>>>>> nothing to
>>>>>>>> secure the border.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is
>>>>>>>> necessary in
>>>>>>>> the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and
>>>>>>>> Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the
>>>>>>>> authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border
>>>>>>>> if he
>>>>>>>> determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include
>>>>>>>> refugees.
>>>>>>>> There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent
>>>>>>>> asylum
>>>>>>>> claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> this country. Period.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to
>>>>>>>> start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
>>>>>>>> constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just
>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>> start enforcing existing laws as they stand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But if the White House actually adopted this simple and
>>>>>>>> straightforward
>>>>>>>> solution, two things would happen:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future
>>>>>>>> loyal voters
>>>>>>>> once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
>>>>>>>> citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
>>>>>>>> described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our
>>>>>>>> society which
>>>>>>>> can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding
>>>>>>>> plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of
>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>> of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So here we are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion
>>>>>>>> dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
>>>>>>>> already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been
>>>>>>>> doing with
>>>>>>>> that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion
>>>>>>>> more on
>>>>>>>> their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to
>>>>>>>> secure the
>>>>>>>> borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only
>>>>>>>> allocates $20
>>>>>>>> billion for U.S. border security.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our
>>>>>>>> leaders are
>>>>>>>> proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two
>>>>>>>> other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of
>>>>>>>> our own
>>>>>>>> country.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly
>>>>>>>> going for
>>>>>>>> our border security will actually in practice only facilitate
>>>>>>>> the entry
>>>>>>>> of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically,
>>>>>>>> the bill
>>>>>>>> allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
>>>>>>>> assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified
>>>>>>>> organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and
>>>>>>>> linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management
>>>>>>>> assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two
>>>>>>>> billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that
>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>> principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this
>>>>>>>> country as
>>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for
>>>>>>>> illegals to
>>>>>>>> come here in the first place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive
>>>>>>>> Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
>>>>>>>> illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
>>>>>>>> emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of
>>>>>>>> course it
>>>>>>>> will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could
>>>>>>>> effectively
>>>>>>>> just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border
>>>>>>>> closings.
>>>>>>>> In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti,
>>>>>>>> Cuba,
>>>>>>>> Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could
>>>>>>>> have 20,000
>>>>>>>> of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the
>>>>>>>> border, even
>>>>>>>> if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
>>>>>>>> requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land
>>>>>>>> ports of
>>>>>>>> entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border
>>>>>>>> never closes
>>>>>>>> but claims must be processed at the ports."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the
>>>>>>>> border
>>>>>>>> never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing
>>>>>>>> centers
>>>>>>>> where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
>>>>>>>> design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time,
>>>>>>>> given the
>>>>>>>> bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump
>>>>>>>> does get
>>>>>>>> re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do
>>>>>>>> crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
>>>>>>>> never-ending firehose of illegals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
>>>>>>>> already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the
>>>>>>>> country. Right
>>>>>>>> now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant
>>>>>>>> possibility
>>>>>>>> that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the
>>>>>>>> basis of
>>>>>>>> race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high
>>>>>>>> standard. It
>>>>>>>> doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their
>>>>>>>> claims.
>>>>>>>> Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which
>>>>>>>> they've
>>>>>>>> rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
>>>>>>>> "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable"
>>>>>>>> possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way
>>>>>>>> of saying
>>>>>>>> 'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from
>>>>>>>> anywhere can
>>>>>>>> clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get
>>>>>>>> turned
>>>>>>>> away if that's the standard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure
>>>>>>>> than it
>>>>>>>> already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people
>>>>>>>> imagined
>>>>>>>> was even possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on
>>>>>>>> arrival. But
>>>>>>>> it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise
>>>>>>>> their own
>>>>>>>> citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they
>>>>>>>> know it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the
>>>>>>>> border, they
>>>>>>>> don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a
>>>>>>>> racist
>>>>>>>> for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that
>>>>>>>> would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people,
>>>>>>>> Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about
>>>>>>>> what's
>>>>>>>> going on at the border. There's no support for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a
>>>>>>>> nearly
>>>>>>>> $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do
>>>>>>>> something as
>>>>>>>> basic as enforcing the law here in America.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign
>>>>>>>> countries
>>>>>>>> vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a
>>>>>>>> fraction
>>>>>>>> of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most
>>>>>>>> Americans want
>>>>>>>> our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It
>>>>>>>> is not
>>>>>>>> an unreasonable thing for us to want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in
>>>>>>> WWII if
>>>>>>> it meant no American lives would have been lost?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary
>>>>>> before we could enforce our own laws here in America?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what
>>>>>> was in
>>>>>> the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother
>>>>>> responding
>>>>>> to any of it. Again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad
>>>>>> about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Because your excuses are BULLSHIT.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing I wrote above is an excuse. It's a description of what's
>>>> actually in the bill. You won't address it because you know you can't
>>>> defend it.
>>>>
>>>>> YOU fuckers crafted the fucking bill. If it blows, it blows because
>>>>> YOU fuckers made it blow.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I'm sorry. You seem to be under the impression I've been in
>>>> Washington DC lately writing legislation. *I* didn't do anything and
>>>> since I'm not a partisan simp like you, I can criticize politicians
>>>> when
>>>> they do stupid shit even when they're on my 'side'.
>>>>
>>>> I don't care who wrote the damn thing or who was bribed to say it's a
>>>> good thing when they know it's not. Legalize the flow of millions of
>>>> unvetted illegals per year into the country is objectively *not* a good
>>>> thing and this Orwellian shit where we pretend the border is secure
>>>> merely because we passed a bill to legalize the chaos is the height of
>>>> absurdity.
>>>>
>>>>> You asked for what you wanted. Dems said yes.
>>>>
>>>> No, they didn't or the border would be secure. The Dems sure as shit
>>>> didn't give me what *I* wanted.
>>
>>> It's YOUR wishlist.
>>
>> It's obviously not my wishlist or I wouldn't be complaining about it.
>>
>> Simple logic eludes you yet again.
>>
>
> Sure, because every time your side gets caught with their pants down you
> pretend you're not part of the movement.
>
> Didn't work then, doesn't work now.  You're one of those "fellow
> travelers" you keep talking about.
>
> Even though you've used that phrase every chance you get, you're trying
> to distance yourself from it when it's applied to YOU.
>
> Pot, meet kettle.

In article <usp0h8$5qt4$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 3/11/24 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <usmt6h$3ju6f$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/10/24 2:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >
> >>>> They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to
> >>>> like it.
> >>>
> >>> Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of
> >>> 8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.
> >>>
> >>> You're a joke.
> >>>
> >> What's not funny is that you're right. You WOULD do it if Trump ordered it.
> >
> > Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?
> >
>
> You'd suck his ass clean if he asked.

Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?

In article <usp0lr$5qt4$3@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 3/11/24 3:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <usmtaj$3ju6f$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/10/24 3:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article <uskd6v$300lk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:

> >>>> You asked for what you wanted. Dems said yes.
> >>>
> >>> No, they didn't or the border would be secure. The Dems sure as shit
> >>> didn't give me what *I* wanted.
> >
> >> It's YOUR wishlist.
> >
> > It's obviously not my wishlist or I wouldn't be complaining about it.
> >
> > Simple logic eludes you yet again.
> >
> Sure, because every time your side gets caught with their pants down you
> pretend you're not part of the movement.

I didn't even get to vote for a presidential candidate in the March 5
primary because I don't belong to a political party.

You keep lying and saying I'm a registered Republican when I'm factually
not and have a well-documented history of criticizing Republicans for
their stupid shit, this border bill being just the latest dumbass move
on their part.

You lying and pretending I liked the bill (and even personally wrote
some of it?!?) until Trump called me up and told me to stop liking it is
just some weird proto-masturbatory fantasy on your part, Shit-Shoes.

On 3/12/24 5:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <usp0h8$5qt4$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/11/24 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <usmt6h$3ju6f$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/10/24 2:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to
>>>>>> like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of
>>>>> 8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're a joke.
>>>>>
>>>> What's not funny is that you're right. You WOULD do it if Trump ordered it.
>>>
>>> Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?
>>>
>>
>> You'd suck his ass clean if he asked.
>
> Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?
>

Sure, taint-breath, sure. Because a guy who takes his marching orders
from a rapist would never stoop that low, now would he?

--
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC
Bible 25B.G.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0

Gracie, age 6.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0

On 3/12/24 5:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <usp0lr$5qt4$3@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/11/24 3:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <usmtaj$3ju6f$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/10/24 3:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <uskd6v$300lk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>>> You asked for what you wanted. Dems said yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they didn't or the border would be secure. The Dems sure as shit
>>>>> didn't give me what *I* wanted.
>>>
>>>> It's YOUR wishlist.
>>>
>>> It's obviously not my wishlist or I wouldn't be complaining about it.
>>>
>>> Simple logic eludes you yet again.
>>>
>> Sure, because every time your side gets caught with their pants down you
>> pretend you're not part of the movement.
>
> I didn't even get to vote for a presidential candidate in the March 5
> primary because I don't belong to a political party.
>
> You keep lying and saying I'm a registered Republican when I'm factually
> not and have a well-documented history of criticizing Republicans for
> their stupid shit, this border bill being just the latest dumbass move
> on their part.
>
> You lying and pretending I liked the bill (and even personally wrote
> some of it?!?) until Trump called me up and told me to stop liking it is
> just some weird proto-masturbatory fantasy on your part, Shit-Shoes.
>

Of course we believe you. Just because I caught you in a few dozen lies
already, why WOULDN'T anybody believe you?

--
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC
Bible 25B.G.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0

Gracie, age 6.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0

On 3/12/24 5:39 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 3/12/24 5:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <usp0h8$5qt4$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/11/24 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <usmt6h$3ju6f$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/10/24 2:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to
>>>>>>> like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of
>>>>>> 8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're a joke.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What's not funny is that you're right. You WOULD do it if Trump
>>>>> ordered it.
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You'd suck his ass clean if he asked.
>>
>> Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?
>>
>
> Sure, taint-breath, sure.  Because  a guy who takes his marching orders
> from a rapist would never stoop that low, now would he?
>

Twat would be a rapist too but his anonymity might be called into
question. In fact, since he's gone full MAGA now can you ask him if he
condones the raping?

On 3/11/24 2:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <usmt6h$3ju6f$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/10/24 2:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>
>>>> They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to
>>>> like it.
>>>
>>> Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of
>>> 8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.
>>>
>>> You're a joke.
>>>
>> What's not funny is that you're right. You WOULD do it if Trump ordered it.
>
> Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?

Agreed, you're takin' orders from the actual white supremacists amirite?

On 3/12/24 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <usp0lr$5qt4$3@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/11/24 3:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <usmtaj$3ju6f$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/10/24 3:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <uskd6v$300lk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>>> You asked for what you wanted. Dems said yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they didn't or the border would be secure. The Dems sure as shit
>>>>> didn't give me what *I* wanted.
>>>
>>>> It's YOUR wishlist.
>>>
>>> It's obviously not my wishlist or I wouldn't be complaining about it.
>>>
>>> Simple logic eludes you yet again.
>>>
>> Sure, because every time your side gets caught with their pants down you
>> pretend you're not part of the movement.
>
> I didn't even get to vote for a presidential candidate in the March 5
> primary because I don't belong to a political party.
>
> You keep lying and saying I'm a registered Republican when I'm factually
> not and have a well-documented history of criticizing Republicans for
> their stupid shit, this border bill being just the latest dumbass move
> on their part.
>
> You lying and pretending I liked the bill (and even personally wrote
> some of it?!?) until Trump called me up and told me to stop liking it is
> just some weird proto-masturbatory fantasy on your part, Shit-Shoes.

You just invented a new category: INIO, Independent in Name Only.
You're a right wing asshole just like the rest of the right wing
assholes on the group. Who gives a flying fuck if you can vote in a
primary? Which varies state by state of course.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

>>https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

>>After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
>>take over'

>>Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
>>non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
>>injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
>>this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.

>Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, VA was
>violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy wearing dress
>because leftists thought it was a good idea to let boys into girls' restrooms?
>(And then the high school admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's father
>arrested for trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board
>meeting.)

>You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other kids if
>you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and screech "Republicans!"

Death of nonbinary teen Nex Benedict after school fight is ruled a
suicide, medical examiner says
By SEAN MURPHY
AP
Updated 5:18 PM CDT, March 13, 2024
https://apnews.com/article/nonbinary-student-death-nex-benedict-oklahoma-owasso-88f403bfd5436a53b636dcc2bc59ebf8

After the finding of suicide by the state medical examiner, police claim
that the death looked like suicide at the beginning but they didn't want
to say anything.

Huh?

The police investigation and autopsy are parallel investigations and
what the police find doesn't influence the finding at autopsy, which is
a medical finding.

He died of toxic levels of two drugs.

But police did say the death wasn't due to injuries received during the
fight previously.

Oklahoma police say nonbinary teen's death was not result of injuries
from high school fight
By SEAN MURPHY
AP
Updated 9:08 PM CDT, February 21, 2024
https://apnews.com/article/oklahoma-owasso-student-death-nonbinary-nex-04f1c51924860d77877016810bc05762

In the police interview, Nex said he was being picked on by three girls,
and he then got water and pouredit on them. The girls then came after
him.

Nex's grandmother expressed concern about symptoms from his head injury.

In article <ustef3$17dvd$1@dont-email.me>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
>
> >>https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahoma
> >>ns-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over
>
> >>After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
> >>take over'
>
> >>Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
> >>non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
> >>injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
> >>this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.
>
> >Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, VA was
> >violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy wearing dress
> >because leftists thought it was a good idea to let boys into girls'
> >restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried to cover it up and had
> >the girl's father arrested for trying to expose the whole vile incident
> >at a school board meeting.)
>
> >You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other kids if
> >you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and screech "Republicans!"
>
> Death of nonbinary teen Nex Benedict after school fight is ruled a
> suicide, medical examiner says

Well, shit. I wonder if we'll be getting an apology from Hutt any time
soon.

> By SEAN MURPHY
> AP
> Updated 5:18 PM CDT, March 13, 2024
> https://apnews.com/article/nonbinary-student-death-nex-benedict-oklahoma-owass
> o-88f403bfd5436a53b636dcc2bc59ebf8

On 3/13/24 9:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ustef3$17dvd$1@dont-email.me>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahoma
>>>> ns-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over
>>
>>>> After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
>>>> take over'
>>
>>>> Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
>>>> non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
>>>> injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
>>>> this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.
>>
>>> Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, VA was
>>> violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy wearing dress
>>> because leftists thought it was a good idea to let boys into girls'
>>> restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried to cover it up and had
>>> the girl's father arrested for trying to expose the whole vile incident
>>> at a school board meeting.)
>>
>>> You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other kids if
>>> you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and screech "Republicans!"
>>
>> Death of nonbinary teen Nex Benedict after school fight is ruled a
>> suicide, medical examiner says
>
> Well, shit. I wonder if we'll be getting an apology from Hutt any time
> soon.

And if you're stupid as fuck, which you are, you'd expect nothing but
the truth in such a case in Oklahoma amirite?

>> By SEAN MURPHY
>> AP
>> Updated 5:18 PM CDT, March 13, 2024
>> https://apnews.com/article/nonbinary-student-death-nex-benedict-oklahoma-owass
>> o-88f403bfd5436a53b636dcc2bc59ebf8

A medical examiner has determined that the death of Oklahoma "nonbinary"
teenager Nex Benedict, which became a national news story based on media
suggestions that the teen died from a beating by bullies, actually died from
an intentional drug overdose.

In a statement, the Owasso Police Department said it waited to release the
cause of death until the toxicology report was completed, KJRH reported. That
toxicology report indicates that Benedict died by suicide, the result of an
overdose of Diphenhydramine and Fluoxetine, or, Benadryl and Prozac.

"From the beginning of this investigation, Owasso Police observed many
indications that this death was the result of suicide," the police statement
said. "However, investigators did not wish to confirm that information
without the final results being presented by the Oklahoma Medical Examiners
Office."

The original narrative surrounding Benedict's death was that the teen died as
a result of a beating from three girls who had been bullying Benedict and
Benedict's friends. Teen Vogue reported when the story broke that "a source
who claimed to be the mother of Benedict's best friend told a local outlet
the cause of death was `complications from brain trauma,' and that `three
older girls were beating the victim and her daughter in the girl's
bathroom.'"

This same anonymous source told the outlet that Benedict needed help walking
to the nurses' station after the fight and that Benedict texted a family
member saying the teen "got jumped at school 3 on 1 had to go to the ER."
Benedict also claimed the girls "had been bullying me and my friends and I
got tired of it so I poured some water on them and all 3 came after me.
School did not report to the police and is probably getting sued."

Other media outlets followed that general narrative, while also blaming
Oklahoma law that requires students to use the bathroom that corresponds to
their biological sex.

The narrative of the tragedy was revealed to be completely different than
what certain media outlets reported. Benedict told a police officer while in
the hospital with no visible injuries that the three girls didn't actually
start the fight, according to The Oklahoman.

"They said something like `why do they laugh like that,' and they were
talking about us, in front of us," Benedict told police officer Caleb
Thompson, referring to the other girls involved in the fight. "So, I went up
and poured water on them and all three of them came at me."

Benedict's mother told the officer that the three girls had bullied Benedict
and the teen's friends previously, even claiming the girls had thrown things
at them. But the actual encounter that took place the day before Benedict
died involved Benedict instigating the fight. Throughout the interview,
Benedict's mother refers to her daughter using female pronouns.

Thompson also informed Nex that because of this, Benedict could face assault
charges.

"You got freedom of speech," Thompson told Benedict and Benedict's mother,
referring to the other teen girls. "The minute you threw water on them you
made the first jab. It may not go the direction you want it to go."

"Running the mouth is freedom of speech, unfortunately," the officer adds.
"You can say mean, hurtful things all day long and you gotta let it roll off
your shoulder."

Benedict returned home from the hospital but the next day, Benedict's mother
called 911 to report the teen's breathing was shallow. Benedict died shortly
after - due to an overdose, not any physical trauma.

Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters previously called
out the media's portrayal of Benedict's tragic death.

"I think it's terrible that we've had some radical leftists who decided to
run with a political agenda and try to weave a narrative that hasn't been
true," Walters told The New York Times in February. "You've taken a tragedy,
and you've had some folks try to exploit it for political gain."

"We've been told death wasn't directly related to the fight at school," he
added.

The same New York Times article, several paragraphs above the claims by
Walters, suggests that her death was related to the fight the day before,
referring to "the death earlier this month of a 16-year-old nonbinary student
a day after an altercation in a high school girls' bathroom."

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Let's go Brandon!

In article <ut1cud$28n2t$2@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

> Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma' Caused
> by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.

Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
here on RAT, did as well.

> A medical examiner has determined that the death of Oklahoma "nonbinary"
> teenager Nex Benedict, which became a national news story based on media
> suggestions that the teen died from a beating by bullies, actually died from
> an intentional drug overdose.

On 3/15/24 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ut1cud$28n2t$2@dont-email.me>,
> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>> Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma' Caused
>> by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.
>
> Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
> here on RAT, did as well.
>
>> A medical examiner has determined that the death of Oklahoma "nonbinary"
>> teenager Nex Benedict, which became a national news story based on media
>> suggestions that the teen died from a beating by bullies, actually died from
>> an intentional drug overdose.

And what do you think led this kid to kill themselves?
Think he was unhappy over the Oklahoma City Thunder lousy draft picks?

Either that, of the constant bullying and beatings...

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Bible 25B.G.
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Gracie, age 6.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0

atropos@mac.com wrote:
> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

>> Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma' Caused
>> by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.
>
>Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
>here on RAT, did as well.

One would think these Leftists would eventually learn their lesson, but no...

--
Let's go Brandon!

On 3/15/24 12:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ut1cud$28n2t$2@dont-email.me>,
> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>> Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma' Caused
>> by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.
>
> Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
> here on RAT, did as well.

Agreed. Right wing assholes in OK clearly suppressed the facts of the
case until they coroner's report came out. But the cause and effect
here is clearly evident, and stupid, gutless weasels lacking genitals
such as you and Pubie would say shit like of course, amirite?

>> A medical examiner has determined that the death of Oklahoma "nonbinary"
>> teenager Nex Benedict, which became a national news story based on media
>> suggestions that the teen died from a beating by bullies, actually died from
>> an intentional drug overdose.

On 3/15/24 12:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ut1cud$28n2t$2@dont-email.me>,
> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>> Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma' Caused
>> by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.
>
> Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
> here on RAT, did as well.
>
>> A medical examiner has determined that the death of Oklahoma "nonbinary"
>> teenager Nex Benedict, which became a national news story based on media
>> suggestions that the teen died from a beating by bullies, actually died from
>> an intentional drug overdose.

P.S. if I'm "Trotsky the Hutt" does that make you baby Yoda then because
you act like such a baby?

On 3/15/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> A medical examiner has determined that the death of Oklahoma "nonbinary"
> teenager Nex Benedict, which became a national news story based on media
> suggestions that the teen died from a beating by bullies, actually died from
> an intentional drug overdose.
>
> In a statement, the Owasso Police Department said it waited to release the
> cause of death until the toxicology report was completed, KJRH reported. That
> toxicology report indicates that Benedict died by suicide, the result of an
> overdose of Diphenhydramine and Fluoxetine, or, Benadryl and Prozac.
>
> "From the beginning of this investigation, Owasso Police observed many
> indications that this death was the result of suicide," the police statement
> said. "However, investigators did not wish to confirm that information
> without the final results being presented by the Oklahoma Medical Examiners
> Office."
>
> The original narrative surrounding Benedict's death was that the teen died as
> a result of a beating from three girls who had been bullying Benedict and
> Benedict's friends. Teen Vogue reported

Teen Vogue? That pillar of journalistic integrity got it wrong? How
can this be?

On 3/17/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> atropos@mac.com wrote:
>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>>> Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma' Caused
>>> by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.
>>
>> Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
>> here on RAT, did as well.
>
> One would think these Leftists would eventually learn their lesson, but no...

I learned my lesson, I stopped reading Teen Vogue. Ubi-Pubie, not so much.

gmsingh@email.com wrote:
> On 3/17/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> atropos@mac.com wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

>>>> Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma'
>>>> Caused by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.
>>>
>>> Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
>>> here on RAT, did as well.
>>
>> One would think these Leftists would eventually learn their lesson, but
>> no...
>
> I learned my lesson,

The facts do not support your cliam.

--
Let's go Brandon!

On 3/17/24 3:08 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 3/17/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> atropos@mac.com wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma'
>>>> Caused
>>>> by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.
>>>
>>> Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
>>> here on RAT, did as well.
>>
>> One would think these Leftists would eventually learn their lesson,
>> but no...
>
>
> I learned my lesson, I stopped reading Teen Vogue.  Ubi-Pubie, not so much.
>

Ubi and Matt Gaetz, why am I not surprised at the pairing?

--
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC
Bible 25B.G.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0

Gracie, age 6.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0

On 3/19/24 8:57 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 3/17/24 3:08 PM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 3/17/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>> atropos@mac.com wrote:
>>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma'
>>>>> Caused
>>>>> by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.
>>>>
>>>> Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
>>>> here on RAT, did as well.
>>>
>>> One would think these Leftists would eventually learn their lesson,
>>> but no...
>>
>>
>> I learned my lesson, I stopped reading Teen Vogue.  Ubi-Pubie, not so
>> much.
>>
>
> Ubi and Matt Gaetz, why am I not surprised at the pairing?
>

Two peas in a pod being slowly eaten by aphids.