Bill Maher has a fun monologue on wokeness in this clip which focuses
on how places like Canada and Scandinavia should no longer be regarded
as models to emulate in the US:

https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1778989085362987082 [8 minutes]

--
Rhino

On Apr 13, 2024 at 6:41:02 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:

> Bill Maher has a fun monologue on wokeness in this clip which focuses
> on how places like Canada and Scandinavia should no longer be regarded
> as models to emulate in the US:
>
> https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1778989085362987082 [8 minutes]

I don't know why they ever were.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 02:45:37 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

> On Apr 13, 2024 at 6:41:02 PM PDT, "Rhino"
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
> > Bill Maher has a fun monologue on wokeness in this clip which
> > focuses on how places like Canada and Scandinavia should no longer
> > be regarded as models to emulate in the US:
> >
> > https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1778989085362987082 [8
> > minutes]
>
> I don't know why they ever were.
>

I think a part of it, at least in the 60s and 70s, was that Canada and
Sweden provided a safe haven for draft-dodgers from the Vietnam War and
therefore earned brownie points with the campus radicals. In later
years, people like Michael Moore lionized Canada by writing propaganda
about our health care system that omitted the very serious flaws, just
as the Bernie Bros. kept insisting that they wanted to turn America
into Sweden, not the former Soviet Union, without really knowing
anything about Sweden. (They knew Americans had a positive image of
Sweden, even if they knew almost nothing about it which helped them
sell their brand of (allegedly) "democratic socialism".)

The average older American is suspicious of "socialism", knowing that it
is a somewhat milder form of communism, which they despise and
distrust. They could only hope to sell "socialism" by saying it was the
same thing practiced in countries that America has a good impression
of, like Canada and Sweden.

--
Rhino

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 02:45:37 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>On Apr 13, 2024 at 6:41:02 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Bill Maher has a fun monologue on wokeness in this clip which focuses
>> on how places like Canada and Scandinavia should no longer be regarded
>> as models to emulate in the US:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1778989085362987082 [8 minutes]
>
>I don't know why they ever were.
>
I don't either and in fairness both are big enough (as is the United
States of course) that no 'one size fits all' approach is likely to
have done the trick on most any issue.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 22:59:40 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>The average older American is suspicious of "socialism", knowing that it
>is a somewhat milder form of communism, which they despise and
>distrust. They could only hope to sell "socialism" by saying it was the
>same thing practiced in countries that America has a good impression
>of, like Canada and Sweden.

That said the Swedes (at least in the Vietnam era far less so today)
was a single culture state which neither the United States nor Canada
ever really was.

That has some major advantages in the area of national cohesion. Can
you imagine Sweden having to deal with the difficulties the Canadian
federal government has had through the decades with Quebec? (Never
mind the other provinces) Maybe they'd have done as well but that's
more a statement of faith than anything concrete.

Similarly Israel has all kinds of problems (not even considering
international affairs) between various Jewish groups (I'm especially
thinking of Jewish opinion towards the ultra-orthodox in the present
period given the ultra-orthodox get military exemption) never mind the
Israeli Arabs or other groups.

On 4/13/24 9:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2024 at 6:41:02 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Bill Maher has a fun monologue on wokeness in this clip which focuses
>> on how places like Canada and Scandinavia should no longer be regarded
>> as models to emulate in the US:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1778989085362987082 [8 minutes]
>
> I don't know why they ever were.

Of course not, not knowing stuff is what you do best.