Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 3:44:41 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 7:04:43 AM UTC-7, Jordy C wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 6:38:07 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 3:02:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 2:37:33 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 1:30:02 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> > > > > > On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 1:27:22 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > > On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 1:21:01 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 8:29:34 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 7:08:31 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:13:17 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > =Dance MoT propaganda flushed down the toilet to where it rightfully belongs=
>> > > > > > > > > > > As always, Ashtroll, but (again as always) you won't get rid of it that easily. BTW, did you notice that you're quoted in it?
>> > > > > > > > > > Who said I was trying to get rid of it?
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > You did. "=Dance MoT propaganda flushed down the toilet to where it rightfully belongs=" That was less than an hour earlier.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > And you wonder why your "veracity" keeps getting questioned.
>> > > > > > > > Ash is a obvious hypocrite.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > And so it goes.
>> > > > > > > On Jun 24, 2023, at 9:47:12 PM, Michael Pendragon wrote: "The Donkey, otoh, is just a hypocrite."
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Approximately 4 hours later (1:21 AM of June 25), in the same thread, Will Donkey wrote: "Ash is a obvious hypocrite."
>> > > > > > Are you pretending that Will has never called you a hypocrite in the past, Michael Monkey?
>> > > > > I'm saying that everything Will Donkey has ever called me, or anyone else, has been something that he secondhanded, after having been called it by someone else.
>> > > > > > > Ignoring the fact that the Donkey should have written "an obvious," it is clear that he secondhands *everything* that is said about him and uses it to attack others.
>> > > > > > No, it's only clear that he calls your Asstroll a hypocrite.
>> > > > > Four hours after I called him one.
>> > > > No, I've been calling Ash a hypocrite for a couple of years, now.
>> > > And is that supposed to mean something? sWill and Dance's words are as worthless as their reps here, their demonstrated decency here.
>> > > The Dockery "real poetry" crew promised us poetry,
>> > > not their imagined jism victories
>> > > Nor their spam that stinks of soiled hosiery
>> > > Or their inane one-liner troll liturgies
>> > > I
>> > > I just... I must... cast that aspersion line, thrust the words into those egos. Trust me, this is how we troll, as Willy tells me, this is how Usenet veterans roll, so...
>> > > Mors Ab Alto!
>> > >
>> > > Such an deplorable evolution of Usenet poet veterans, of their ego's prostitution, selling their selves for illusion of a self aggrandizing revolution, only deteriorating into a devolution into Lilliputian delusion.
>> > >
>> > > This is "real poetry" I suppose
>> > > to a donkey and his sock monkey, so it goes
>> > > it's just auto correct typos
>> > > you shit slinging monkeys, so slings back the donkey
>> > > a corrected record you all should know so it must go
>> > > on and on with so many nods and hellos
>> > >
>> > > This "real" poetry show of yours,
>> > > reeks of rancid puss flow from sores
>> > > of a putrid "poet's" corpse abandoned,
>> > > septic overflowing with desperate canon-
>> > > spam spewage drowning any other content
>> > > in a cesspit of "not being a popularity contest"
>> > > And no plumber can fix this fiasco, by Gawd
>> > > this gaud of a bawdy poet's show so guffawed
>> > >
>> > > Here, everyday is a freedom day celebration of the hedonists, the rabble of misfits running about all amok, a brabble of a bobbery of mockery so libidinous...
>> > > And who's to blame for all the idiotic upchuck? Uppity feminists? Silly death curse satanists?
>> > > No, just uninhibited LAMster exhibitionists!
>> > >
>> > > And those hedonists say it's just love we need-
>> > > So to chit chat, irrelevant tangents they stampede
>> > > for others to turn the cheek to their selfish creed-
>> > > Screw that! I just need a piece of poetry to read!
>> > >
>> > > and so comes the
>> > > LAST STAND AT THE AAPC CORRAL
>> > > /a poesy epic disaster of a epic poetry fiasco by ashes/
>> > > Here at alt arts poetry commentary
>> > > it seems it's an affliction of spew dysentery
>> > > a cankerous riot of social commentary
>> > > a squatter's asylum of misfits marauding derogatory
>> > > And what was it all for- you tell me
>> > > For I couldn't tell you, really
>> > > I'm no Usenet vet nor wiki poetry scholar,
>> > > but I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar
>> > > that it doesn't require science of rocketry
>> > > to see this isn't poetry but unbridled hedonist riotry.
>> > > Bumping braying mules jacking their asses
>> > > Boasts of Beat poetry beaten like dead horses
>> > > Tortured comix art doomed to be ridiculed
>> > > If it was poetry you sought, then away make haste
>> > > this may not be the place.
>> > >
>> > > All the mud and stones flung, and you fail to see that I've been through it all-- so many times, the scars are so thick that I no longer feel a thing. So you could say I'm abnormal. But I'll have you know, I'm an award winning actor-- at being normal. So come high noon, bring your one line shooters, I'll have my fist full of demons. And know, I know all the lines of "the Good, the Bad and the Stupid." So if you're gonna talk shit, best you cut out your tongue before you choke on it.
>> > well, honestly and sincerely wish that there wasn't all of this arguing and fighting, and mean spirited, hateful, vicious, petty, malicious animosity displayed regularly on this NG, but you seem to be something of an alchemist, perhaps, you are able to tap into your frustration and disgust with certain people and goings on here and transfer it into very talented, creative, pointed, well done poetry... that's something to admire and be thankful for...
>> oh, i'm sure nobody reads this lousy newsgroup.
>>
>> sad, but true.

> Hell, I active here and I don't possibly half to two thirds of whats here..
> I finally put out a reply to your inquiry...

I read what interests me.

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:43:53 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 10:23:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:48:45 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 5:40:30 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since Team Monkey -- the Monkey, the Chimp, and the Big Buffoon -- of aapc crapped out with their last plagiarism smear -
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/DJm0kBxmSXA/m/BeYkXi3xBAAJ?hl=en
> > > > - they've pivoted to a new one, recycling a two-year-old story that, to be honest, they actually never stopped spreading. It deals with my cento, "At the Gates of Dawn." For those interested, here's the full account, as it happened and is still happening -- not a "summary" or "commentary," but what was actually said:
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, May 22, 2007 at 12:01:08 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > On May 22, 7:00 am, OB <nevilemo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > A nice collage. Syd would have approved.-
> > > > "Thank you. I had a lot of fun writing this, but I had no idea how it would be received.
> > > > "I bought a copy of Piper two weeks ago, when my tax refund came in..
> > > > "I'd never heard any of these songs before. It's hard to believe they were released 40 years ago."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/YcHKc6I7cKg/m/yPQD5fHnAgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Syd's Sunrise / George Dance
> > > > On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 11:43:44 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > "As you can probably tell, it's a cento that uses lyrics from the "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" album."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KYCco8cPdmY/m/IDUdJ7EnAwAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > > > On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 1:46:12 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > "The constraint I used here is the cento form. I didn't use complete lines; but every image I took was from Syd Barrett's lyrics to the first Pink Floyd album, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn. So the poem does have a dual purpose; it's meant as a pretty poem about a sunrise, and also a look into the mind (a sort of tribute to) Barrett. My hope is that those who do recognize the Barrett connection (I think the title's a dead giveaway) will get more from the poem, but at the same time those who know nothing about it can just read it at as a poem about a sunrise."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn" July 15, 2021 at 9:18:28 AM UTC-4:
> > > > "We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/5vc9ULxgAgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Quote of the Day.....George Dance
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:03:07 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:00:02 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > > "But enough about him; I have my own poem to talk about here."
> > > > "(stolen)"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/tMV_ie2lVns/m/LqAInmBmAAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re" George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:27:08 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "His theft should be posted on his blog bio..."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/x2VFWc1mAAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Ping George Dance
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:35:17 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "Explain your theft."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/4TFE5NuO4os/m/BJukWNRZAgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:46:53 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "The poem is also on the Facebook AAPC thing. We will be sure to have Pink Floyd's lawyers look at that."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/x2VFWc1mAAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Syd's Sunrise
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:16:33 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/YcHKc6I7cKg/m/yPQD5fHnAgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:22:16 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > George Dance, when you wrote it has nothing to do with anything, nor does the fact that you got only one reply. It was illegal then and it is illegal now. It is also plagiarism. You are a thief.
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:33:18 PM UTC-4, (Michael Monkey?) aka fake "Clay Dockery" wrote:
> > > > > It wouldn't be the first time he was caught plagiarizing. This one is so blatant that it's embarrassing that he thought nobody would notice. Maybe George Dance should rip off songs that nobody listens to, such as the Shadowville Shitheads.
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 2:55:35 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Thanks, Clay. We see that your 'father' is crying 'cento' as an excuse for George Dance's thievery. 'Writers Digest' has something to say about that. Dance's stealing for his poem is not at all transformative and he did not bother to tag the lines with their sources. He tried to pass off the poem as his own work (several times), and that is plagiarism."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:57:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > Then don't do a cento if you are not willing to give credit to your sources. That you are only willing to accommodate the "request" to credit the lines now is because you got called on it is telling.
> > > > > Besides which it is the legal thing to do. If you didn't know this before, now you do."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 8:49:38 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "What the fuck does that have to do with Dunce stealing lyrics and not crediting, claiming them his own until this very day?"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:10:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "To 'set the record straight,' George Dance wrote the thing more than 14 years ago and published it various places, including in his "book." He did not label it as a cento and did not give credit to Pink Floyd for the words that made up most of "his" poem. That is plagiarism. Since he has done this before, perhaps he should stick to writing original poems."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:13:54 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "Case closed, he's a plagiarist."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:31:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "All of his supposed 'original' poems should now be examined for plagiarism."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:52:43 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "along with political speeches......"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:00:05 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Good idea. We will look in the transcripts of his speeches"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:07:26 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "14 years later? He tried and failed to pass it off as his, thanks to NG"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:17:36 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:15:56 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Pink Floyd fans would get it from the title, but agreed, George needs to label it as a Cento.
> > > > "No, label it stolen."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:23:54 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "No George tried and failed to rip off a Floyd lyric....you should fire your editor."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:34:06 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Yes on the 14 years later, and he did not 'set the record straight' in his book, his blog or here. Until he was challenged."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 12:04:57 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "George Dance, the rug at your home must be really lumpy with things that you have swept under there.
> > > > "Since your plagiarism has been demonstrated here multiple times, it seems that you have a problem (lack of talent, inspiration, or just being lazy) with producing original work. All of the poems that you supposed wrote are now suspect."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > > > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 3:27:26 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > "GD said he was going to credit Syd because it was requested of him.. Everything I saw about cento said crediting was mandatory otherwise it is can be considered plagiarism.
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > > > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 4:20:16 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > > > "Dance has always had an issue with credibility."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > > > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 4:23:49 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Absolutely, and as Ash points out, the cento "must" credit its sources. This was not done in Dance's book, on his blog or on AAPC "until" he was called out on the plagiarism. He had 14 years to correct this. If he didn't know what a cento was and what the rules for writing one were, he should have had enough to to look it up. Guilty."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > > > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 12:57:13 AM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > > > "Dance plagiarized again. He’s just a second hander, like you."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 4:20:16 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > > > "Dance has always had an issue with credibility.
> > > > "Why else would he be will’s editor."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > > > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 5:35:02 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > "I believe that George assumed everyone would recognize the PF lyrics, and that he was in no way trying to steal credit for them.
> > > > "That may excuse him (at least IMO), but it does not change the fact that he failed to identify/credit the original -- which constitutes an act of plagiarism."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > > > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 6:35:58 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "His posting of the poem made NO mention of cento or Pink Floyd or Barrett."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > > > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 3:25:29 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > "Writing a cento is not an act of plagiarism. Attempting to pass it off as an entirely original work, otoh, is.
> > > > "Since George has published this poem without identifying it as a cento or crediting the source, he has committed an act of plagiarism.
> > > > "As previously noted, I don't believe that he was intentionally trying to pass his poem off as an entirely original work.[...]
> > > > "That's an excuse for his having plagiarized Pink Floyd. It doesn't absolve him of having committed plagiarism."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > > > On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 9:02:24 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Everyone but you, George "Plagiarist" Dance and George Sulzbach agrees that George Dance plagiarized from Pink Floyd by not including a credit to them."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > "On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 5:58:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > " George Dance wrote a poem that consisted of rearranging lines from a Pink Floyd album and then presented it as his own poem. He may have written it as a cento but he did not attribute the lines to Pink Floyd in his book, in several postings of the poem, or recently when he was challenged. He was wrong. He should not do this again. He needs to go back to every single place where he posted or published that poem and put in that it is a cento and give credit to Pink Floyd. Plagiarism is taking other people's work and presenting it as one's own."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > > > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 6:35:58 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "His posting of the poem made NO mention of cento or Pink Floyd or Barrett."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > > > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 10:50:01 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michelangelo Scarlotti" wrote:
> > > > "George made no mention of it when he recently posted his poem."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Re: Kos, Krugman, and ~karlapoet~ (and Sarah Palin)
> > > > On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:00:22 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:35:15 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > > > > True, the song is credited to Syd Barrett.
> > > > "Unfortunately not in George's poem."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/fNXOQ2OgWR4/m/Ey_TgJweAwAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Quote of the afternoon.....Dance
> > > > On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 8:53:37 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > "POSSIBLY YOUR ONLY GOOD POEM WAS WRITTEN BY SYD BARRETT!!!"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/YZq9ceFsWhQ/m/-WxpJFDmBwAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Long May You Live / c&c
> > > > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 4:12:59 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "That was his plagiarism of Pink Floyd's lyrics. We proudly take credit for pointing that out"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/k259WiA4gcE/m/OKcNFdWeAgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 6:23:39 PM UTC-4, Michael onkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > "If the work is copyrighted, your reprinting it with or without attribution would be an act of plagiarism."
> > > > "Since both the work of Mr. Cohen and Pink Floyd are copyrighted, both could be prosecuted as crimes: plagiarism in the first case, and intellectual property theft in the second."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/DJm0kBxmSXA/m/omqHKpbYAgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Stolen, Borrowed, Lend lease...Dance re-writes Barrett
> > > > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:47:21 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Yes, indeed, NancyGene is a great researcher and George Dance is a plagiarist
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JNZKHLU2mbM/m/LilSyhwjAwAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Stolen, Borrowed, Lend lease...Dance re-writes Barrett
> > > > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 10:03:01 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > From now on, I shall be addressing/referring to him as George "The Plagiarist" Dance.
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JNZKHLU2mbM/m/LilSyhwjAwAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Michael Monkey's latest meltdown
> > > > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 2:51:37 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > "You are guilty of both plagiarism (Cohen, Barrett, et al) and literary theft."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/4zlqC2vJr0s/m/6sZ2bdwyAwAJ?hl=en
> > > Having taken the above evidence into consideration, the court
> > Your delusional state is noted, Pendragon.
> >
>
> He's now an "armchair judge", too. :)

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 3:41:49 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:20:11 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > Not your call to make, Senetto.
> > >
> > > As Zod said, you're still just a control freak on an ego trip.
> > > 🙂
> > No, that's Michael Monkey. As Zod said, Senetto's just a scumbag.
> I'm hardly a control freak, Plagiarist George.

> An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.

Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> The failure of AAPC has been obvious for the past two decades (ever since Will Donkey first showed up).
>
> Will Donkey's a troll, and General Zod functions as a troll (due, I suspect, more to his servitude to Will Donkey than to his nature -- at least when sober).

Michael Monkey notes the decline in the group's quality since he joined (which was less than *one* decade ago), but of course blames it on his nemesis, Will Dockery. Blaming it on his own attempts to control what's posted here would mean taking responsibility, so of course he can't conceive of it.
> Trolls obviously want to keep AAPC a battlefield.
>
> I would like to have AAPC become a place where poets and poetry lovers can post and discuss poetry and poetic theory.
And MIchael Monkey's solution to keep aapc from becoming a "battlefield" is to wage "war" (his word) against everyone who posts what he doesn't like.

> An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.

Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> As to the charge of "egotism," I prefer to think of myself as an "egoist." As an Ayn Rand disciple, you will not require any further explanation.

Actually, only Michael Monkey has mentioned "egotism" or "egoism". But it's worth looking at what he's saying here. Let's start with the relevant definitions:
"Egoism 1b: a doctrine that individual self-interest is the valid end of all actions
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egoism
"Egotism 2: an exaggerated sense of self-importance : CONCEIT
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egotism

Michael Monkey's "guidelines" fiasco alone was enough to show his "exaggerated sense of self-importance" -- other examples are available if necessary. It is also no wonder that he'd "prefer to think of [him]self as an 'egoist'" instead.

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 3:41:49 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:20:11 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > > Not your call to make, Senetto.
> > > >
> > > > As Zod said, you're still just a control freak on an ego trip.
> > > > 🙂
> > > No, that's Michael Monkey. As Zod said, Senetto's just a scumbag.
> > I'm hardly a control freak, Plagiarist George.
>
> > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > The failure of AAPC has been obvious for the past two decades (ever since Will Donkey first showed up).
> >
> > Will Donkey's a troll, and General Zod functions as a troll (due, I suspect, more to his servitude to Will Donkey than to his nature -- at least when sober).
> Michael Monkey notes the decline in the group's quality since he joined (which was less than *one* decade ago), but of course blames it on his nemesis, Will Dockery. Blaming it on his own attempts to control what's posted here would mean taking responsibility, so of course he can't conceive of it.
> > Trolls obviously want to keep AAPC a battlefield.
> >
> > I would like to have AAPC become a place where poets and poetry lovers can post and discuss poetry and poetic theory.
> And MIchael Monkey's solution to keep aapc from becoming a "battlefield" is to wage "war" (his word) against everyone who posts what he doesn't like..
> > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > As to the charge of "egotism," I prefer to think of myself as an "egoist." As an Ayn Rand disciple, you will not require any further explanation.
> Actually, only Michael Monkey has mentioned "egotism" or "egoism". But it's worth looking at what he's saying here. Let's start with the relevant definitions:
> "Egoism 1b: a doctrine that individual self-interest is the valid end of all actions
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egoism
> "Egotism 2: an exaggerated sense of self-importance : CONCEIT
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egotism
>
> Michael Monkey's "guidelines" fiasco alone was enough to show his "exaggerated sense of self-importance" -- other examples are available if necessary. It is also no wonder that he'd "prefer to think of [him]self as an 'egoist'" instead.

As Zod says, Michael Pendragon is just a control freak on an ego trip.

And so it goes.

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 3:41:49 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:20:11 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > > Not your call to make, Senetto.
> > > >
> > > > As Zod said, you're still just a control freak on an ego trip.
> > > > 🙂
> > > No, that's Michael Monkey. As Zod said, Senetto's just a scumbag.
> > I'm hardly a control freak, Plagiarist George.
>
> > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
>

The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.

> > The failure of AAPC has been obvious for the past two decades (ever since Will Donkey first showed up).
> >
> > Will Donkey's a troll, and General Zod functions as a troll (due, I suspect, more to his servitude to Will Donkey than to his nature -- at least when sober).
> Michael Monkey notes the decline in the group's quality since he joined (which was less than *one* decade ago), but of course blames it on his nemesis, Will Dockery. Blaming it on his own attempts to control what's posted here would mean taking responsibility, so of course he can't conceive of it.
>

Do you understand that "two decades" denotes 20 years? That's 10 years before I joined AAPC.

When I first came to AAPC, it was already a ghost town. It consisted of you, your Donkey, Corey, and PJR -- with occasional visits from Horatio, Gwyneth, and PJR's friends from alt.kooks (Cujo, Aratzio, and a couple of others).

> > Trolls obviously want to keep AAPC a battlefield.
> >
> > I would like to have AAPC become a place where poets and poetry lovers can post and discuss poetry and poetic theory.
> And MIchael Monkey's solution to keep aapc from becoming a "battlefield" is to wage "war" (his word) against everyone who posts what he doesn't like..
>

The name of the group is alt.arts.poetry.comments. It was created as a forum for the discussion of poetry.

There are other poetry groups like RAP and AAP where you can spam post poetry to your heart's content. When you come to a *poetry discussion* group, you should be prepared to discuss poetry.

> > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
>

Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.

> > As to the charge of "egotism," I prefer to think of myself as an "egoist." As an Ayn Rand disciple, you will not require any further explanation.
> Actually, only Michael Monkey has mentioned "egotism" or "egoism". But it's worth looking at what he's saying here. Let's start with the relevant definitions:
> "Egoism 1b: a doctrine that individual self-interest is the valid end of all actions
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egoism
> "Egotism 2: an exaggerated sense of self-importance : CONCEIT
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egotism
>
> Michael Monkey's "guidelines" fiasco alone was enough to show his "exaggerated sense of self-importance" -- other examples are available if necessary. It is also no wonder that he'd "prefer to think of [him]self as an 'egoist'" instead.
>

Please turn in your Ayn Rand fan club badge.

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 3:41:49 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:20:11 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > > Not your call to make, Senetto.
> > > >
> > > > As Zod said, you're still just a control freak on an ego trip.
> > > > 🙂
> > > No, that's Michael Monkey. As Zod said, Senetto's just a scumbag.
> > I'm hardly a control freak, Plagiarist George.
>
> > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > The failure of AAPC has been obvious for the past two decades (ever since Will Donkey first showed up).
> >
> > Will Donkey's a troll, and General Zod functions as a troll (due, I suspect, more to his servitude to Will Donkey than to his nature -- at least when sober).
> Michael Monkey notes the decline in the group's quality since he joined (which was less than *one* decade ago), but of course blames it on his nemesis, Will Dockery. Blaming it on his own attempts to control what's posted here would mean taking responsibility, so of course he can't conceive of it.
> > Trolls obviously want to keep AAPC a battlefield.
> >
> > I would like to have AAPC become a place where poets and poetry lovers can post and discuss poetry and poetic theory.
> And MIchael Monkey's solution to keep aapc from becoming a "battlefield" is to wage "war" (his word) against everyone who posts what he doesn't like..
> > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > As to the charge of "egotism," I prefer to think of myself as an "egoist." As an Ayn Rand disciple, you will not require any further explanation.
> Actually, only Michael Monkey has mentioned "egotism" or "egoism". But it's worth looking at what he's saying here. Let's start with the relevant definitions:
> "Egoism 1b: a doctrine that individual self-interest is the valid end of all actions
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egoism
> "Egotism 2: an exaggerated sense of self-importance : CONCEIT
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egotism
>
> Michael Monkey's "guidelines" fiasco alone was enough to show his "exaggerated sense of self-importance" -- other examples are available if necessary. It is also no wonder that he'd "prefer to think of [him]self as an 'egoist'" instead.

Of course Michael Pendragon will dy all of this.

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 1:25:16 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 3:41:49 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:20:11 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
>
> > > > Not your call to make, Senetto.
> > > > >
> > > > > As Zod said, you're still just a control freak on an ego trip.
> > > >
> > > > No, that's Michael Monkey. As Zod said, Senetto's just a scumbag.
> > > I'm hardly a control freak, Plagiarist George.
> >
> > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > The failure of AAPC has been obvious for the past two decades (ever since Will Donkey first showed up).
> > >
> > > Will Donkey's a troll, and General Zod functions as a troll (due, I suspect, more to his servitude to Will Donkey than to his nature -- at least when sober).
> > Michael Monkey notes the decline in the group's quality since he joined (which was less than *one* decade ago), but of course blames it on his nemesis, Will Dockery. Blaming it on his own attempts to control what's posted here would mean taking responsibility, so of course he can't conceive of it.
> > > Trolls obviously want to keep AAPC a battlefield.
> > >
> > > I would like to have AAPC become a place where poets and poetry lovers can post and discuss poetry and poetic theory.
> > And MIchael Monkey's solution to keep aapc from becoming a "battlefield" is to wage "war" (his word) against everyone who posts what he doesn't like.
> > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > > As to the charge of "egotism," I prefer to think of myself as an "egoist." As an Ayn Rand disciple, you will not require any further explanation..
> > Actually, only Michael Monkey has mentioned "egotism" or "egoism". But it's worth looking at what he's saying here. Let's start with the relevant definitions:
> > "Egoism 1b: a doctrine that individual self-interest is the valid end of all actions
> > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egoism
> > "Egotism 2: an exaggerated sense of self-importance : CONCEIT
> > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egotism
>
> Michael Monkey's "guidelines" fiasco alone was enough to show his "exaggerated sense of self-importance" -- other examples are available if necessary. It is also no wonder that he'd "prefer to think of [him]self as an 'egoist'" instead.

Of course Michael Pendragon will deny all of this.

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 3:41:49 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:20:11 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
>
> > > Not your call to make, Senetto.
> > > >
> > > > As Zod said, you're still just a control freak on an ego trip.

That fits quite a numer of persons here... ha ha.

> > > No, that's Michael Monkey. As Zod said, Senetto's just a scumbag.

That too... ha ha.

> > I'm hardly a control freak, Plagiarist George.
>
> > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > The failure of AAPC has been obvious for the past two decades (ever since Will Donkey first showed up).
> >
> > Will Donkey's a troll, and General Zod functions as a troll (due, I suspect, more to his servitude to Will Donkey than to his nature -- at least when sober).
> Michael Monkey notes the decline in the group's quality since he joined (which was less than *one* decade ago), but of course blames it on his nemesis, Will Dockery. Blaming it on his own attempts to control what's posted here would mean taking responsibility, so of course he can't conceive of it.
> > Trolls obviously want to keep AAPC a battlefield.
> >
> > I would like to have AAPC become a place where poets and poetry lovers can post and discuss poetry and poetic theory.
> And MIchael Monkey's solution to keep aapc from becoming a "battlefield" is to wage "war" (his word) against everyone who posts what he doesn't like..
> > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > As to the charge of "egotism," I prefer to think of myself as an "egoist." As an Ayn Rand disciple, you will not require any further explanation.
> Actually, only Michael Monkey has mentioned "egotism" or "egoism". But it's worth looking at what he's saying here. Let's start with the relevant definitions:
> "Egoism 1b: a doctrine that individual self-interest is the valid end of all actions
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egoism
> "Egotism 2: an exaggerated sense of self-importance : CONCEIT
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egotism
>
> Michael Monkey's "guidelines" fiasco alone was enough to show his "exaggerated sense of self-importance" -- other examples are available if necessary. It is also no wonder that he'd "prefer to think of [him]self as an 'egoist'" instead.

Indeed, you have nailed it...

Jordy C wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > well, honestly and sincerely wish that there wasn't all of this arguing and fighting, and mean spirited, hateful, vicious, petty, malicious animosity displayed regularly on this NG, but you seem to be something of an alchemist, perhaps, you are able to tap into your frustration and disgust with certain people and goings on here and transfer it into very talented, creative, pointed, well done poetry... that's something to admire and be thankful for...
> > Agreed, and well put, Jordy.
> thank you, Will

Good morning again, Jordy.

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Jordy C wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > well, honestly and sincerely wish that there wasn't all of this arguing and fighting, and mean spirited, hateful, vicious, petty, malicious animosity displayed regularly on this NG, but you seem to be something of an alchemist, perhaps, you are able to tap into your frustration and disgust with certain people and goings on here and transfer it into very talented, creative, pointed, well done poetry... that's something to admire and be thankful for...
> > > Agreed, and well put, Jordy.
> > thank you, Will
> Good morning again, Jordy.
bonjour, Will

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:43:53 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 10:23:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:48:45 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 5:40:30 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since Team Monkey -- the Monkey, the Chimp, and the Big Buffoon -- of aapc crapped out with their last plagiarism smear -
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/DJm0kBxmSXA/m/BeYkXi3xBAAJ?hl=en
> > > > - they've pivoted to a new one, recycling a two-year-old story that, to be honest, they actually never stopped spreading. It deals with my cento, "At the Gates of Dawn." For those interested, here's the full account, as it happened and is still happening -- not a "summary" or "commentary," but what was actually said:
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, May 22, 2007 at 12:01:08 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > On May 22, 7:00 am, OB <nevilemo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > A nice collage. Syd would have approved.-
> > > > "Thank you. I had a lot of fun writing this, but I had no idea how it would be received.
> > > > "I bought a copy of Piper two weeks ago, when my tax refund came in..
> > > > "I'd never heard any of these songs before. It's hard to believe they were released 40 years ago."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/YcHKc6I7cKg/m/yPQD5fHnAgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Syd's Sunrise / George Dance
> > > > On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 11:43:44 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > "As you can probably tell, it's a cento that uses lyrics from the "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" album."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KYCco8cPdmY/m/IDUdJ7EnAwAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > > > On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 1:46:12 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > "The constraint I used here is the cento form. I didn't use complete lines; but every image I took was from Syd Barrett's lyrics to the first Pink Floyd album, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn. So the poem does have a dual purpose; it's meant as a pretty poem about a sunrise, and also a look into the mind (a sort of tribute to) Barrett. My hope is that those who do recognize the Barrett connection (I think the title's a dead giveaway) will get more from the poem, but at the same time those who know nothing about it can just read it at as a poem about a sunrise."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn" July 15, 2021 at 9:18:28 AM UTC-4:
> > > > "We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/5vc9ULxgAgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Quote of the Day.....George Dance
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:03:07 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:00:02 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > > "But enough about him; I have my own poem to talk about here."
> > > > "(stolen)"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/tMV_ie2lVns/m/LqAInmBmAAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re" George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:27:08 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "His theft should be posted on his blog bio..."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/x2VFWc1mAAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Ping George Dance
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:35:17 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "Explain your theft."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/4TFE5NuO4os/m/BJukWNRZAgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:46:53 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "The poem is also on the Facebook AAPC thing. We will be sure to have Pink Floyd's lawyers look at that."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/x2VFWc1mAAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Syd's Sunrise
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:16:33 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/YcHKc6I7cKg/m/yPQD5fHnAgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:22:16 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > George Dance, when you wrote it has nothing to do with anything, nor does the fact that you got only one reply. It was illegal then and it is illegal now. It is also plagiarism. You are a thief.
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:33:18 PM UTC-4, (Michael Monkey?) aka fake "Clay Dockery" wrote:
> > > > > It wouldn't be the first time he was caught plagiarizing. This one is so blatant that it's embarrassing that he thought nobody would notice. Maybe George Dance should rip off songs that nobody listens to, such as the Shadowville Shitheads.
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 2:55:35 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Thanks, Clay. We see that your 'father' is crying 'cento' as an excuse for George Dance's thievery. 'Writers Digest' has something to say about that. Dance's stealing for his poem is not at all transformative and he did not bother to tag the lines with their sources. He tried to pass off the poem as his own work (several times), and that is plagiarism."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:57:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > Then don't do a cento if you are not willing to give credit to your sources. That you are only willing to accommodate the "request" to credit the lines now is because you got called on it is telling.
> > > > > Besides which it is the legal thing to do. If you didn't know this before, now you do."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 8:49:38 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "What the fuck does that have to do with Dunce stealing lyrics and not crediting, claiming them his own until this very day?"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:10:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "To 'set the record straight,' George Dance wrote the thing more than 14 years ago and published it various places, including in his "book." He did not label it as a cento and did not give credit to Pink Floyd for the words that made up most of "his" poem. That is plagiarism. Since he has done this before, perhaps he should stick to writing original poems."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:13:54 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "Case closed, he's a plagiarist."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:31:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "All of his supposed 'original' poems should now be examined for plagiarism."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:52:43 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "along with political speeches......"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:00:05 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Good idea. We will look in the transcripts of his speeches"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:07:26 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "14 years later? He tried and failed to pass it off as his, thanks to NG"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:17:36 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:15:56 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Pink Floyd fans would get it from the title, but agreed, George needs to label it as a Cento.
> > > > "No, label it stolen."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:23:54 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > "No George tried and failed to rip off a Floyd lyric....you should fire your editor."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:34:06 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Yes on the 14 years later, and he did not 'set the record straight' in his book, his blog or here. Until he was challenged."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 12:04:57 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "George Dance, the rug at your home must be really lumpy with things that you have swept under there.
> > > > "Since your plagiarism has been demonstrated here multiple times, it seems that you have a problem (lack of talent, inspiration, or just being lazy) with producing original work. All of the poems that you supposed wrote are now suspect."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > > > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 3:27:26 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > "GD said he was going to credit Syd because it was requested of him.. Everything I saw about cento said crediting was mandatory otherwise it is can be considered plagiarism.
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > > > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 4:20:16 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > > > "Dance has always had an issue with credibility."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > > > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 4:23:49 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Absolutely, and as Ash points out, the cento "must" credit its sources. This was not done in Dance's book, on his blog or on AAPC "until" he was called out on the plagiarism. He had 14 years to correct this. If he didn't know what a cento was and what the rules for writing one were, he should have had enough to to look it up. Guilty."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > > > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 12:57:13 AM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > > > "Dance plagiarized again. He’s just a second hander, like you."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > > > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 4:20:16 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > > > "Dance has always had an issue with credibility.
> > > > "Why else would he be will’s editor."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > > > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 5:35:02 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > "I believe that George assumed everyone would recognize the PF lyrics, and that he was in no way trying to steal credit for them.
> > > > "That may excuse him (at least IMO), but it does not change the fact that he failed to identify/credit the original -- which constitutes an act of plagiarism."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > > > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 6:35:58 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "His posting of the poem made NO mention of cento or Pink Floyd or Barrett."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > > > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 3:25:29 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > "Writing a cento is not an act of plagiarism. Attempting to pass it off as an entirely original work, otoh, is.
> > > > "Since George has published this poem without identifying it as a cento or crediting the source, he has committed an act of plagiarism.
> > > > "As previously noted, I don't believe that he was intentionally trying to pass his poem off as an entirely original work.[...]
> > > > "That's an excuse for his having plagiarized Pink Floyd. It doesn't absolve him of having committed plagiarism."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > > > On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 9:02:24 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Everyone but you, George "Plagiarist" Dance and George Sulzbach agrees that George Dance plagiarized from Pink Floyd by not including a credit to them."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > "On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 5:58:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > " George Dance wrote a poem that consisted of rearranging lines from a Pink Floyd album and then presented it as his own poem. He may have written it as a cento but he did not attribute the lines to Pink Floyd in his book, in several postings of the poem, or recently when he was challenged. He was wrong. He should not do this again. He needs to go back to every single place where he posted or published that poem and put in that it is a cento and give credit to Pink Floyd. Plagiarism is taking other people's work and presenting it as one's own."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > > > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 6:35:58 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "His posting of the poem made NO mention of cento or Pink Floyd or Barrett."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > > > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 10:50:01 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michelangelo Scarlotti" wrote:
> > > > "George made no mention of it when he recently posted his poem."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Re: Kos, Krugman, and ~karlapoet~ (and Sarah Palin)
> > > > On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:00:22 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:35:15 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > > > > True, the song is credited to Syd Barrett.
> > > > "Unfortunately not in George's poem."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/fNXOQ2OgWR4/m/Ey_TgJweAwAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Quote of the afternoon.....Dance
> > > > On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 8:53:37 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > "POSSIBLY YOUR ONLY GOOD POEM WAS WRITTEN BY SYD BARRETT!!!"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/YZq9ceFsWhQ/m/-WxpJFDmBwAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Long May You Live / c&c
> > > > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 4:12:59 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "That was his plagiarism of Pink Floyd's lyrics. We proudly take credit for pointing that out"
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/k259WiA4gcE/m/OKcNFdWeAgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 6:23:39 PM UTC-4, Michael onkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > "If the work is copyrighted, your reprinting it with or without attribution would be an act of plagiarism."
> > > > "Since both the work of Mr. Cohen and Pink Floyd are copyrighted, both could be prosecuted as crimes: plagiarism in the first case, and intellectual property theft in the second."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/DJm0kBxmSXA/m/omqHKpbYAgAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Stolen, Borrowed, Lend lease...Dance re-writes Barrett
> > > > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:47:21 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Yes, indeed, NancyGene is a great researcher and George Dance is a plagiarist
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JNZKHLU2mbM/m/LilSyhwjAwAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Stolen, Borrowed, Lend lease...Dance re-writes Barrett
> > > > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 10:03:01 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > From now on, I shall be addressing/referring to him as George "The Plagiarist" Dance.
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JNZKHLU2mbM/m/LilSyhwjAwAJ?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > Re: Michael Monkey's latest meltdown
> > > > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 2:51:37 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > "You are guilty of both plagiarism (Cohen, Barrett, et al) and literary theft."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/4zlqC2vJr0s/m/6sZ2bdwyAwAJ?hl=en
> > > Having taken the above evidence into consideration, the court
> > Your delusional state is noted, Pendragon.
> >
>
> He's now an "armchair judge", too. :)

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:18:55 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > well, honestly and sincerely wish that there wasn't all of this arguing and fighting, and mean spirited, hateful, vicious, petty, malicious animosity displayed regularly on this NG, but you seem to be something of an alchemist, perhaps, you are able to tap into your frustration and disgust with certain people and goings on here and transfer it into very talented, creative, pointed, well done poetry... that's something to admire and be thankful for...
>
> > > Agreed, and well put, Jordy.
> > > thank you, Will
> > Good morning again, Jordy.
> bonjour, Will

Hello there my friend.

🙂

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:

> > > I'm hardly a control freak, Plagiarist George.
> >
> > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> >
> The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.

No, Michael Monkey. You wrote the Guidelines yourself, in Jan. 21, and started trolling about them a month later; see

Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JULBCDoohF0/m/R9kfTRhyBAAJ?hl=en

> > > The failure of AAPC has been obvious for the past two decades (ever since Will Donkey first showed up).
> > >
> > > Will Donkey's a troll, and General Zod functions as a troll (due, I suspect, more to his servitude to Will Donkey than to his nature -- at least when sober).
> > Michael Monkey notes the decline in the group's quality since he joined (which was less than *one* decade ago), but of course blames it on his nemesis, Will Dockery. Blaming it on his own attempts to control what's posted here would mean taking responsibility, so of course he can't conceive of it.
> >
> Do you understand that "two decades" denotes 20 years? That's 10 years before I joined AAPC.
Perfectly, Lying Michael. You're pontficating about things that happened when you weren't even here; Goebbelsing about things you know nothing of. And now, with your help, everyone should be able to understand that.

> When I first came to AAPC, it was already a ghost town. It consisted of you, your Donkey, Corey, and PJR -- with occasional visits from Horatio, Gwyneth, and PJR's friends from alt.kooks (Cujo, Aratzio, and a couple of others).

Membership was probably low; we were at the tail of a five-year flame war. But that's not to support your account; I'm sure we had more than three people writing poetry in those days.

> > > Trolls obviously want to keep AAPC a battlefield.
> > >
> > > I would like to have AAPC become a place where poets and poetry lovers can post and discuss poetry and poetic theory.
> > And MIchael Monkey's solution to keep aapc from becoming a "battlefield" is to wage "war" (his word) against everyone who posts what he doesn't like.
> >
> The name of the group is alt.arts.poetry.comments. It was created as a forum for the discussion of poetry.
>
> There are other poetry groups like RAP and AAP where you can spam post poetry to your heart's content. When you come to a *poetry discussion* group, you should be prepared to discuss poetry.

I'm sorry, Lying Michael, but I've found it's pointless to try to discuss poetry with you; trying to talk to you about anything is a waste of time. That isn't going to change no matter how many "Guidelines" you make up.

> > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> >
> Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included).

No, Lying Michael. You had a bit of "input" from two of the Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll), but you essentially wrote your Guidelines yourself. They're Bandar-Log Guidelines, and even the Bandar-Log doesn't "comply" with them.

> Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.

No one outside the Bandar-Log cares about your Guidelines, and no one cares enough to "comply" with them. Don't take your frustration with that out on me.

> > > As to the charge of "egotism," I prefer to think of myself as an "egoist." As an Ayn Rand disciple, you will not require any further explanation..
> > Actually, only Michael Monkey has mentioned "egotism" or "egoism". But it's worth looking at what he's saying here. Let's start with the relevant definitions:
> > "Egoism 1b: a doctrine that individual self-interest is the valid end of all actions
> > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egoism
> > "Egotism 2: an exaggerated sense of self-importance : CONCEIT
> > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egotism
> >
> > Michael Monkey's "guidelines" fiasco alone was enough to show his "exaggerated sense of self-importance" -- other examples are available if necessary. It is also no wonder that he'd "prefer to think of [him]self as an 'egoist'" instead.

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:12:05 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>
> > > > I'm hardly a control freak

So you say, your words and actions say otherwise, Penhead...

> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > >
> > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> No, Michael Monkey. You wrote the Guidelines yourself, in Jan. 21, and started trolling about them a month later; see
>
> Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JULBCDoohF0/m/R9kfTRhyBAAJ?hl=en
> > > > The failure of AAPC has been obvious for the past two decades (ever since Will Donkey first showed up).
> > > >
> > > > Will Donkey's a troll, and General Zod functions as a troll (due, I suspect, more to his servitude to Will Donkey than to his nature -- at least when sober).
> > > Michael Monkey notes the decline in the group's quality since he joined (which was less than *one* decade ago), but of course blames it on his nemesis, Will Dockery. Blaming it on his own attempts to control what's posted here would mean taking responsibility, so of course he can't conceive of it.
> > >
> > Do you understand that "two decades" denotes 20 years? That's 10 years before I joined AAPC.
> Perfectly, Lying Michael. You're pontficating about things that happened when you weren't even here; Goebbelsing about things you know nothing of. And now, with your help, everyone should be able to understand that.
> > When I first came to AAPC, it was already a ghost town. It consisted of you, your Donkey, Corey, and PJR -- with occasional visits from Horatio, Gwyneth, and PJR's friends from alt.kooks (Cujo, Aratzio, and a couple of others).
> Membership was probably low; we were at the tail of a five-year flame war.. But that's not to support your account; I'm sure we had more than three people writing poetry in those days.
> > > > Trolls obviously want to keep AAPC a battlefield.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to have AAPC become a place where poets and poetry lovers can post and discuss poetry and poetic theory.
> > > And MIchael Monkey's solution to keep aapc from becoming a "battlefield" is to wage "war" (his word) against everyone who posts what he doesn't like.
> > >
> > The name of the group is alt.arts.poetry.comments. It was created as a forum for the discussion of poetry.
> >
> > There are other poetry groups like RAP and AAP where you can spam post poetry to your heart's content. When you come to a *poetry discussion* group, you should be prepared to discuss poetry.
> I'm sorry, Lying Michael, but I've found it's pointless to try to discuss poetry with you; trying to talk to you about anything is a waste of time. That isn't going to change no matter how many "Guidelines" you make up.
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > >
> > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included).
> No, Lying Michael. You had a bit of "input" from two of the Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll), but you essentially wrote your Guidelines yourself. They're Bandar-Log Guidelines, and even the Bandar-Log doesn't "comply" with them.
> > Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
> No one outside the Bandar-Log cares about your Guidelines, and no one cares enough to "comply" with them. Don't take your frustration with that out on me.
> > > > As to the charge of "egotism," I prefer to think of myself as an "egoist." As an Ayn Rand disciple, you will not require any further explanation.
> > > Actually, only Michael Monkey has mentioned "egotism" or "egoism". But it's worth looking at what he's saying here. Let's start with the relevant definitions:
> > > "Egoism 1b: a doctrine that individual self-interest is the valid end of all actions
> > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egoism
> > > "Egotism 2: an exaggerated sense of self-importance : CONCEIT
> > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egotism
> > >
> > > Michael Monkey's "guidelines" fiasco alone was enough to show his "exaggerated sense of self-importance" -- other examples are available if necessary. It is also no wonder that he'd "prefer to think of [him]self as an 'egoist'" instead.

Yep... a control freak on an ego trip...

His poetry group GLs are BOGUS...!

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:34:41 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:12:05 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> >
> > > > > I'm hardly a control freak
> So you say, your words and actions say otherwise, Penhead...
> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > >
> > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> > No, Michael Monkey. You wrote the Guidelines yourself, in Jan. 21, and started trolling about them a month later; see
> >
> > Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JULBCDoohF0/m/R9kfTRhyBAAJ?hl=en
> > > > > The failure of AAPC has been obvious for the past two decades (ever since Will Donkey first showed up).
> > > > >
> > > > > Will Donkey's a troll, and General Zod functions as a troll (due, I suspect, more to his servitude to Will Donkey than to his nature -- at least when sober).
> > > > Michael Monkey notes the decline in the group's quality since he joined (which was less than *one* decade ago), but of course blames it on his nemesis, Will Dockery. Blaming it on his own attempts to control what's posted here would mean taking responsibility, so of course he can't conceive of it.
> > > >
> > > Do you understand that "two decades" denotes 20 years? That's 10 years before I joined AAPC.
> > Perfectly, Lying Michael. You're pontficating about things that happened when you weren't even here; Goebbelsing about things you know nothing of. And now, with your help, everyone should be able to understand that.
> > > When I first came to AAPC, it was already a ghost town. It consisted of you, your Donkey, Corey, and PJR -- with occasional visits from Horatio, Gwyneth, and PJR's friends from alt.kooks (Cujo, Aratzio, and a couple of others).
> > Membership was probably low; we were at the tail of a five-year flame war. But that's not to support your account; I'm sure we had more than three people writing poetry in those days.
> > > > > Trolls obviously want to keep AAPC a battlefield.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to have AAPC become a place where poets and poetry lovers can post and discuss poetry and poetic theory.
> > > > And MIchael Monkey's solution to keep aapc from becoming a "battlefield" is to wage "war" (his word) against everyone who posts what he doesn't like.
> > > >
> > > The name of the group is alt.arts.poetry.comments. It was created as a forum for the discussion of poetry.
> > >
> > > There are other poetry groups like RAP and AAP where you can spam post poetry to your heart's content. When you come to a *poetry discussion* group, you should be prepared to discuss poetry.
> > I'm sorry, Lying Michael, but I've found it's pointless to try to discuss poetry with you; trying to talk to you about anything is a waste of time.. That isn't going to change no matter how many "Guidelines" you make up.
> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > > >
> > > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included).
> > No, Lying Michael. You had a bit of "input" from two of the Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll), but you essentially wrote your Guidelines yourself. They're Bandar-Log Guidelines, and even the Bandar-Log doesn't "comply" with them.
> > > Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
> > No one outside the Bandar-Log cares about your Guidelines, and no one cares enough to "comply" with them. Don't take your frustration with that out on me.
> > > > > As to the charge of "egotism," I prefer to think of myself as an "egoist." As an Ayn Rand disciple, you will not require any further explanation.
> > > > Actually, only Michael Monkey has mentioned "egotism" or "egoism". But it's worth looking at what he's saying here. Let's start with the relevant definitions:
> > > > "Egoism 1b: a doctrine that individual self-interest is the valid end of all actions
> > > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egoism
> > > > "Egotism 2: an exaggerated sense of self-importance : CONCEIT
> > > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egotism
> > > >
> > > > Michael Monkey's "guidelines" fiasco alone was enough to show his "exaggerated sense of self-importance" -- other examples are available if necessary. It is also no wonder that he'd "prefer to think of [him]self as an 'egoist'" instead.
> Yep... a control freak on an ego trip...

Obviously, Pendragon proves that with every day.

> His poetry group GLs are BOGUS...!

🙂

By Willy about his Dunce:

When my love swears that she is made of truth
I do believe her, though I know she lies,
That she might think me some untutored youth,
Unlearnèd in the world's false subtleties.
Thus vainly thinking that she thinks me young,
Although she knows my days are past the best,
Simply I credit her false-speaking tongue;
On both sides thus is simple truth suppressed.
But wherefore says she not she is unjust?
And wherefore say not I that I am old?
O, love's best habit is in seeming trust,
And age in love, loves not to have years told.
Therefore I lie with her, and she with me,
And in our faults by lies we flattered be.
--Sonnet 138 ~~William Shakespeare

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:12:05 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>
> > > > I'm hardly a control freak, Plagiarist George.
> > >
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > >
> > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> No, Michael Monkey. You wrote the Guidelines yourself, in Jan. 21, and started trolling about them a month later; see
>
> Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JULBCDoohF0/m/R9kfTRhyBAAJ?hl=en
> > > > The failure of AAPC has been obvious for the past two decades (ever since Will Donkey first showed up).
> > > >
> > > > Will Donkey's a troll, and General Zod functions as a troll (due, I suspect, more to his servitude to Will Donkey than to his nature -- at least when sober).
> > > Michael Monkey notes the decline in the group's quality since he joined (which was less than *one* decade ago), but of course blames it on his nemesis, Will Dockery. Blaming it on his own attempts to control what's posted here would mean taking responsibility, so of course he can't conceive of it.
> > >
> > Do you understand that "two decades" denotes 20 years? That's 10 years before I joined AAPC.
> Perfectly, Lying Michael. You're pontficating about things that happened when you weren't even here; Goebbelsing about things you know nothing of. And now, with your help, everyone should be able to understand that.
> > When I first came to AAPC, it was already a ghost town. It consisted of you, your Donkey, Corey, and PJR -- with occasional visits from Horatio, Gwyneth, and PJR's friends from alt.kooks (Cujo, Aratzio, and a couple of others).
> Membership was probably low; we were at the tail of a five-year flame war.. But that's not to support your account; I'm sure we had more than three people writing poetry in those days.
> > > > Trolls obviously want to keep AAPC a battlefield.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to have AAPC become a place where poets and poetry lovers can post and discuss poetry and poetic theory.
> > > And MIchael Monkey's solution to keep aapc from becoming a "battlefield" is to wage "war" (his word) against everyone who posts what he doesn't like.
> > >
> > The name of the group is alt.arts.poetry.comments. It was created as a forum for the discussion of poetry.
> >
> > There are other poetry groups like RAP and AAP where you can spam post poetry to your heart's content. When you come to a *poetry discussion* group, you should be prepared to discuss poetry.
> I'm sorry, Lying Michael, but I've found it's pointless to try to discuss poetry with you; trying to talk to you about anything is a waste of time. That isn't going to change no matter how many "Guidelines" you make up.
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > >
> > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included).
> No, Lying Michael. You had a bit of "input" from two of the Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll), but you essentially wrote your Guidelines yourself. They're Bandar-Log Guidelines, and even the Bandar-Log doesn't "comply" with them.
> > Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
> No one outside the Bandar-Log cares about your Guidelines, and no one cares enough to "comply" with them. Don't take your frustration with that out on me.
> > > > As to the charge of "egotism," I prefer to think of myself as an "egoist." As an Ayn Rand disciple, you will not require any further explanation.
> > > Actually, only Michael Monkey has mentioned "egotism" or "egoism". But it's worth looking at what he's saying here. Let's start with the relevant definitions:
> > > "Egoism 1b: a doctrine that individual self-interest is the valid end of all actions
> > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egoism
> > > "Egotism 2: an exaggerated sense of self-importance : CONCEIT
> > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egotism
> > >
> > > Michael Monkey's "guidelines" fiasco alone was enough to show his "exaggerated sense of self-importance" -- other examples are available if necessary. It is also no wonder that he'd "prefer to think of [him]self as an 'egoist'" instead.

Pendragon's bogus bullshit, nothing new.