On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:50:12 AM UTC-8, W.Dockery wrote:
> Jordy C wrote:
>
> > On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Jordy C wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 6:05:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:45:36 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
> >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, great to see a friendly face here, my friend.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > bonjour, Will
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> >
> > bonjour, Will
>
> Good afternoon, Jordy.
>
> 🙂

It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.

oh rose, thou are sick.

it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:50:12 AM UTC-8, W.Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> > On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 6:05:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> > On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:45:36 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
> > >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, great to see a friendly face here, my friend.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > bonjour, Will
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > >
> > > bonjour, Will
> >
> > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> >
> > 🙂
>
> It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
>
> oh rose, thou are sick.
>
> it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.

google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........

but anyway, it made me demented.

wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.

it's like poison.

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> > On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:50:12 AM UTC-8, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> > On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 6:05:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:45:36 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
> > > >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, great to see a friendly face here, my friend.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > bonjour, Will
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > > >
> > > > bonjour, Will
> > >
> > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > >
> > > 🙂
> >
> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> >
> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> >
> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
>
> but anyway, it made me demented.
>
> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
>
> it's like poison.
I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!

Jordy C wrote:

> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> Jordy C wrote:
>
>> > > >> >>>> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
>> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
>> > > >> >> >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
>> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
>> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
>> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
>> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
>> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
>> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
>> > > >> >> >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
>> > > >> >> >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
>> > > >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, great to see a friendly face here, my friend.
>> > > >> >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >> > bonjour, Will
>> > > >> >> >>
>> > > >> >> >> Hello again my friend
>> > > >
>> > > > bonjour, Will
>> > >
>> > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
>> > >
>> > > 🙂
>> >
>> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
>> >
>> > oh rose, thou are sick.
>> >
>> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
>> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
>>
>> but anyway, it made me demented.
>>
>> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
>>
>> it's like poison.
> I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!

Agreed, if that's possible.

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:45:18 AM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> Jordy C wrote:
>
> > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> >> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>> Jordy C wrote:
> >
> >> > > >> >>>> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
> >> > > >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, great to see a friendly face here, my friend.
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > bonjour, Will
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> >> > > >
> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> >> > >
> >> > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> >> > >
> >> > > 🙂
> >> >
> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> >> >
> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> >> >
> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
> >>
> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> >>
> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
> >>
> >> it's like poison.
> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
> Agreed, if that's possible.
yes, am trying...

Jordy C wrote:

> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:45:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Jordy C wrote:
>> > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
>> >> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >>> Jordy C wrote:
>
>> >> > > >> >>>> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
>> >> > > >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, great to see a friendly face here, my friend.
>> >> > > >> >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > bonjour, Will
>> >> > > >> >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> >> Hello again my friend
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > bonjour, Will
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 🙂
>> >> >
>> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
>> >> >
>> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
>> >> >
>> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
>> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
>> >>
>> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
>> >>
>> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
>> >>
>> >> it's like poison.
>> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
>> Agreed, if that's possible.
> yes, am trying...

Good morning Jordy, same here.

🙂

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:25:15 AM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> Jordy C wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:45:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Jordy C wrote:
> >> > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> >> >> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >>> Jordy C wrote:
> >
> >> >> > > >> >>>> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, great to see a friendly face here, my friend.
> >> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> >> > > >> >> >> > bonjour, Will
> >> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> >> > > >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > 🙂
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> >> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
> >> >>
> >> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> >> >>
> >> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
> >> >>
> >> >> it's like poison.
> >> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
> >> Agreed, if that's possible.
> > yes, am trying...
> Good morning Jordy, same here.
>
> 🙂
bonjour, Will

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:25:15 AM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:45:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > >> > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > >> >> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >>> Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > >> >> > > >> >>>> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, great to see a friendly face here, my friend.
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> > bonjour, Will
> > >> >> > > >> >> >>
> > >> >> > > >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > 🙂
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> > >> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
> > >> >>
> > >> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> it's like poison.
> >
>> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
> >
>> Agreed, if that's possible.
> bonjour, Will

Good evening, my friend.

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:10:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:25:15 AM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:45:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > >> > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > >> >> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> >>> Jordy C wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> >> > > >> >>>> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, great to see a friendly face here, my friend.
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > bonjour, Will
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > 🙂
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> > > >> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> it's like poison.
> > >
> >> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
> > >
> >> Agreed, if that's possible.
> > bonjour, Will
>
> Good evening, my friend.
Shalom Will

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:04:29 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:10:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:25:15 AM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > > Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:45:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > >> > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > >> >> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> >>> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > >> >>>> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, great to see a friendly face here, my friend.
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > bonjour, Will
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > > Good afternoon,
> > > > >> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> > > > >> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> it's like poison.
> > > >
> > >> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
> > > >
> > >> Agreed, if that's possible.
> > > bonjour, Will
> >
> > Good evening, my friend.
> Shalom Will

Hello there, Jordy.

🙂

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:41:50 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:04:29 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:10:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:25:15 AM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:45:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > >> > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > >> >> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> >>> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >>>> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, great to see a friendly face here, my friend.
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > bonjour, Will
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > > Good afternoon,
> > > > > >> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> > > > > >> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> it's like poison.
> > > > >
> > > >> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
> > > > >
> > > >> Agreed, if that's possible.
> > > > bonjour, Will
> > >
> > > Good evening, my friend.
> > Shalom Will
> Hello there, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
hola Mr Will

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:15:32 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:41:50 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:04:29 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:10:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > You think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
>
> > > > > > >> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > Good afternoon,
> > > > > > >> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> > > > > > >> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> it's like poison.
> > > > > >
> > > > >> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
> > > > > >
> > > > >> Agreed, if that's possible.
>
>
> hola Mr Will

Good evening again Jordy.

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:46:27 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:15:32 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:41:50 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:04:29 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:10:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > You think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > Good afternoon,
> > > > > > > >> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> > > > > > > >> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> it's like poison.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> Agreed, if that's possible.
> >
> >
> > hola Mr Will
>
> Good evening again Jordy.

Shalom Will

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:55:35 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:46:27 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:10:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > You think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > Good afternoon,
> > > > > > > > >> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> > > > > > > > >> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> it's like poison.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Agreed, if that's possible.
>
> Shalom Will

Hello there my friend.

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:55:35 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:46:27 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:10:55 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > You think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Good afternoon,
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid..
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> it's like poison.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Agreed, if that's possible.
> >
> > Shalom Will
>
> Hello there my friend.
bonjour, Will

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:24:17 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:55:35 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > You think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Good afternoon,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> it's like poison.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Agreed, if that's possible.
> >
>
> bonjour, Will

Good afternoon, Jordy.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:09:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:24:17 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:55:35 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > You think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Good afternoon,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> google posted this in the wrong place above...it was tacked on to another thread........
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> it's like poison.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> Agreed, if that's possible.
> > >
> >
> > bonjour, Will
>
> Good afternoon, Jordy.
Shalom Will

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:18:07 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:09:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:24:17 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:55:35 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > thank you, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Hello again my friend
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Good afternoon,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > It's almost possibly that Jordy presents himself as so innocent and sweet, to the point of being saccharine, but saying all the wrong things, but since this is Dylan, where nobody can be that innocent and dumb, it feels like he's trying to hurt me, even being sadistic..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > oh rose, thou are sick.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > it was so sick, and i had a tantrum, but then after, since it was so demented, i was laughing at myself, but the whole thing brought me down and took a lot out of me...it's just hard to handle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> google posted this in the wrong place above....it was tacked on to another thread........
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> but anyway, it made me demented.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> wish he would stop doing that. he's not that stupid.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> it's like poison.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
>> > I think I get it, Rachel… you’d like me to be more relaxed and low key in our conversations… Will try!
>
>> Agreed, if possible.
>
> Shalom Will

Good afternoon, Jordy.