On 4/26/24 3:38 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> atropos@mac.com wrote:
>> "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin Shot to the
>>>>> jaw.
>>>>
>>>> "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called Crackhead Barney
>>>> & Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>
>>> For all her bravado, I would love to see that dumb cunt visit Gaza.
>>
>> https://ibb.co/BrdfNnB
>
> Bwah!
>
> I have a short story somewhere

In your pants most likely.

about one of these useful idiots trying to
> impose her way on some Moslems overseas, only to get brutally raped.
>
> --
> Let's go Brandon!
>

In article <v0ec7v$36anb$1@dont-email.me>, super70s@super70s.invalid wrote:
> On 2024-04-25 19:06:46 +0000, moviePig said:
>> On 4/25/2024 2:01 PM, shawn wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 17:12:03 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-23 17:04:10 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin Shot to the
>>>>>>> jaw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called Crackhead
>>>>>> Barney & Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>
>>>>> They showed it on TMZ Live, from "why did you shoot that girl" to "say
>>>>> Free Palestine...say it just once"?
>>>>>
>>>>> She's gonna ambush the wrong person one of these days, probably from
>>>>> her own hood.
>>>>
>>>> What is it with this thing protesters do these days where they demand
>>>> their target repeat a phrase? They did this to Occasional-Cortex and now
>>>> Alec Baldwin-- in both cases they wanted them to recite "Free
>>>> Palestine".
>>>>
>>>> Even if Baldwin doesn't believe it, she wants him to just say it. If
>>>> you're a normal person and you watch that, you think, what value is
>>>> there in making him say it?
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what she intended. I'm sure someone would clip out his
>>> just saying the phrase and use that to show more support for Palestine
>>> but I'm not sure if that was her point. More likely it's just the hot
>>> phrase that can generate clicks so she's using it. After all she can
>>> use it as a title to draw in the clicks "Alec Baldwin says Free
>>> Palestine!"
>>>
>>>> Let's say you succeed and he says the phrase. He's only saying it
>>>> because you have hectored and harassed him into saying it and he figures
>>>> you'll go away if he does. He's only saying it because you won't shut
>>>> up, not because he believes it. You haven't changed his mind or
>>>> anything. He's just repeating a phrase that you have assigned to him.
>>>> What do you get out of that? What does that accomplish? What's the
>>>> point?
>>>
>>> The clicks are all that matters.
>>>
>>>> They did this during the BLM Summer of Love riots, too. They'd burst
>>>> into restaurants and surround white people eating dinner and demand
>>>> that they say "black lives matter".
>>>
>>> My response as a nobody who doesn't have a social media following
>>> would be to say "Black lives don't matter" just to watch them lose
>>> their minds. Demanding any sort of comment from me isn't going to get
>>> the desired response unless I'm in fear of damage to my person.
>>>
>>>> Leftists seem to take this approach on every issue, in every situation.
>>>> It seems intellectually adjacent to the pronoun stuff with the troons.
>>>> You *must* say the words they want regardless of whether you believe
>>>> them or not.
>>>>
>>>> Not only don't they care if you actually believe the words, they almost
>>>> *prefer* that you not believe them. Because that shows their power over
>>>> you. If you believed the words, then they haven't really exercised any
>>>> power over you, but if they can make you say shit you don't believe in
>>>> because they've scared or intimidated you into doing so, then they have
>>>> bright line evidence of the power they wield.
>>>
>>> Power that amounts to nothing in the real world. Maybe it makes them
>>> feel good but it is only going to make people turn against them and
>>> their ideas. It's like winning the battle at the cost of losing the
>>> war.
>>
>> I doubt there's evidence this is the province of "leftists".
>
>I understand Jesse Watters started his (in)auspicious career doing
>"ambushes" for Bill O'Reilly.

Your understanding is wrong.

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On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin Shot
>>>>>>> to the jaw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called Crackhead
>>>>>> Barney &
>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the
>>>>>> RUST movie
>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking her
>>>>> but says
>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>
>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was loaded.
>>>
>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering, idiot
>>> scumbag you
>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a video
>>> that makes
>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch an Alec
>>> Baldwin
>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation, revulsion,
>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or say
>>> anything that
>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>
>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get the
>>> benefit of the
>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>> squander that
>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant as humanly
>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I mean,
>>> really,
>>> quite an achievement.
>>
>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale, where
>> Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around his own home.
>> Later we learned that Heston was dealing with Alzheimer's, but even on
>> its own the scene undercuts any humane aspect to Moore's message.
>
>
> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to whine
> about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to pry the gun
> out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as the case may now be)
> vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out of whack even by your
> standards.  How do you put two and two together and keep coming up with
> fifty million?

The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man evoked
an instinctive viewer-response that transcended policy/politics. It was
a simple failure of technique, costly to his persuasiveness.

In article <DZJWN.4629$jcJc.1788@fx42.iad>, gmsingh@email.com wrote:
> On 4/26/24 3:38 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> atropos@mac.com wrote:
>>> "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>>>>>> For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin Shot to the
>>>>>> jaw.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called Crackhead Barney
>>>>> & Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>
>>>> For all her bravado, I would love to see that dumb cunt visit Gaza.
>>>
>>> https://ibb.co/BrdfNnB
>>
>> Bwah!
>>
>> I have a short story somewhere
>
>In your pants most likely.

Projection noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
--
Let's go Brandon!

"trotsky" wrote:

>If you had any balls

Please stop sharing your obsession about being teabagged here.

--
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On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin Shot
>>>>>>>> to the jaw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the
>>>>>>> RUST movie
>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking her
>>>>>> but says
>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>
>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was loaded.
>>>>
>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering, idiot
>>>> scumbag you
>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a video
>>>> that makes
>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch an Alec
>>>> Baldwin
>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>> revulsion,
>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or say
>>>> anything that
>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>
>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get the
>>>> benefit of the
>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>> squander that
>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant as
>>>> humanly
>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I mean,
>>>> really,
>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>
>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale, where
>>> Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around his own
>>> home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with Alzheimer's, but
>>> even on its own the scene undercuts any humane aspect to Moore's
>>> message.
>>
>>
>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to whine
>> about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to pry the gun
>> out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as the case may now
>> be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out of whack even by your
>> standards.  How do you put two and two together and keep coming up
>> with fifty million?
>
> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man evoked
> an instinctive viewer-response that transcended policy/politics.  It was
> a simple failure of technique, costly to his persuasiveness.

Speak for yourself. Just because you are sympathetic to an asshole
doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was. The reviewers weren't
either. The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of sick fucks, and
Heston was the head asshole before he did us the favor of dying. Fuck
you for even thinking that and being in full dipshit mode. I used to
hang out with a guy who owned guys and I remember watching this thing
they showed kids with a character called Eddie Eagle, teaching kids
about gun safety. The NRA had merit then, that was back in the early
90s. Then they reinvented themselves into a lobbying organization so
the gun industry could profit by selling more and more guns. They are
scum. If you don't get this I feel sorry for you.

In article <17c9e4bd7c6b53cc$8511$1354752$c8d58268@news.newsdemon.com>,
trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
> > On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
> >> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
> >>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> >>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin Shot
> >>>>>>>> to the jaw.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
> >>>>>>> Crackhead Barney & Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the
> >>>>>>> RUST movie set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."

> >>>>>>> Nice to know they've made that determination.

> >>>>>> There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking her
> >>>>>> but says nothing about her emphatically asking for it.

> >>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was loaded.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering, idiot
> >>>> scumbag you have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to
> >>>> create a video that makes me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause
> >>>> usually when I watch an Alec Baldwin video, the emotions I'm
> >>>> accustomed to feeling are irritation, revulsion, scorn. I didn't
> >>>> think it was possible for someone to do or say anything that would
> >>>> make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
> >>>>
> >>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get the
> >>>> benefit of the doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is.
> >>>> In order to squander that advantage, you have to go out of your way
> >>>> to be as unpleasant as humanly possible. And she managed to do it
> >>>> in less than a minute. I mean, really, quite an achievement.
> >>>
> >>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale, where
> >>> Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around his own
> >>> home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with Alzheimer's, but
> >>> even on its own the scene undercuts any humane aspect to Moore's
> >>> message.
> >>
> >> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to whine
> >> about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to pry the gun
> >> out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as the case may now
> >> be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out of whack even by your
> >> standards.  How do you put two and two together and keep coming up
> >> with fifty million?
> >
> > The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man evoked
> > an instinctive viewer-response that transcended policy/politics.  It was
> > a simple failure of technique, costly to his persuasiveness.
>
> I used to hang out with a guy who owned guys

"That's surprising!" said no one.

On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin
>>>>>>>>> Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the
>>>>>>>> RUST movie
>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking her
>>>>>>> but says
>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was loaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering, idiot
>>>>> scumbag you
>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a video
>>>>> that makes
>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch an Alec
>>>>> Baldwin
>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or say
>>>>> anything that
>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get the
>>>>> benefit of the
>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>>> squander that
>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant as
>>>>> humanly
>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I mean,
>>>>> really,
>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>
>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale, where
>>>> Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around his own
>>>> home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with Alzheimer's, but
>>>> even on its own the scene undercuts any humane aspect to Moore's
>>>> message.
>>>
>>>
>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to whine
>>> about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to pry the
>>> gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as the case may
>>> now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out of whack even by
>>> your standards.  How do you put two and two together and keep coming
>>> up with fifty million?
>>
>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man evoked
>> an instinctive viewer-response that transcended policy/politics.  It
>> was a simple failure of technique, costly to his persuasiveness.
>
>
> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an asshole
> doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers weren't
> either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of sick fucks, and
> Heston was the head asshole before he did us the favor of dying.  Fuck
> you for even thinking that and being in full dipshit mode.  I used to
> hang out with a guy who owned guys and I remember watching this thing
> they showed kids with a character called Eddie Eagle, teaching kids
> about gun safety.  The NRA had merit then, that was back in the early
> 90s.  Then they reinvented themselves into a lobbying organization so
> the gun industry could profit by selling more and more guns.  They are
> scum.  If you don't get this I feel sorry for you.

I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.

On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin
>>>>>>>>>> Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the
>>>>>>>>> RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking her
>>>>>>>> but says
>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was loaded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering, idiot
>>>>>> scumbag you
>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a
>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch an
>>>>>> Alec Baldwin
>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or say
>>>>>> anything that
>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get the
>>>>>> benefit of the
>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant as
>>>>>> humanly
>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I mean,
>>>>>> really,
>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale, where
>>>>> Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around his own
>>>>> home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with Alzheimer's,
>>>>> but even on its own the scene undercuts any humane aspect to
>>>>> Moore's message.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to whine
>>>> about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to pry the
>>>> gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as the case may
>>>> now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out of whack even by
>>>> your standards.  How do you put two and two together and keep coming
>>>> up with fifty million?
>>>
>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man
>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended
>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly to his
>>> persuasiveness.
>>
>>
>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an asshole
>> doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers weren't
>> either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of sick fucks,
>> and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the favor of dying.
>> Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full dipshit mode.  I
>> used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I remember watching
>> this thing they showed kids with a character called Eddie Eagle,
>> teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had merit then, that was back
>> in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented themselves into a lobbying
>> organization so the gun industry could profit by selling more and more
>> guns.  They are scum.  If you don't get this I feel sorry for you.
>
> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.

It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and torture.
Try harder. I know you know what the words actually mean so stop
fucking around.

On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk"
>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin
>>>>>>>>>>> Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the
>>>>>>>>>> RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking
>>>>>>>>> her but says
>>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was loaded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering,
>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a
>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch an
>>>>>>> Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or say
>>>>>>> anything that
>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get the
>>>>>>> benefit of the
>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant as
>>>>>>> humanly
>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I mean,
>>>>>>> really,
>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale, where
>>>>>> Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around his own
>>>>>> home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with Alzheimer's,
>>>>>> but even on its own the scene undercuts any humane aspect to
>>>>>> Moore's message.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to
>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to
>>>>> pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as the
>>>>> case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out of
>>>>> whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and two together
>>>>> and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>
>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man
>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended
>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly to
>>>> his persuasiveness.
>>>
>>>
>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an asshole
>>> doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers weren't
>>> either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of sick fucks,
>>> and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the favor of dying.
>>> Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full dipshit mode.  I
>>> used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I remember watching
>>> this thing they showed kids with a character called Eddie Eagle,
>>> teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had merit then, that was
>>> back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented themselves into a
>>> lobbying organization so the gun industry could profit by selling
>>> more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you don't get this I feel
>>> sorry for you.
>>
>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
>
>
> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and torture.
>  Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually mean so stop
> fucking around.

The distinction is a matter of degree. What's the same is the motive.

On 4/27/24 11:01 AM, moviePig wrote:
> On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk"
>>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on
>>>>>>>>>>> the RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking
>>>>>>>>>> her but says
>>>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was loaded.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering,
>>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a
>>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch an
>>>>>>>> Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or say
>>>>>>>> anything that
>>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get the
>>>>>>>> benefit of the
>>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant as
>>>>>>>> humanly
>>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I
>>>>>>>> mean, really,
>>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale,
>>>>>>> where Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around
>>>>>>> his own home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with
>>>>>>> Alzheimer's, but even on its own the scene undercuts any humane
>>>>>>> aspect to Moore's message.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to
>>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to
>>>>>> pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as
>>>>>> the case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out of
>>>>>> whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and two together
>>>>>> and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>>
>>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man
>>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended
>>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly to
>>>>> his persuasiveness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an asshole
>>>> doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers weren't
>>>> either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of sick fucks,
>>>> and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the favor of dying.
>>>> Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full dipshit mode.  I
>>>> used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I remember watching
>>>> this thing they showed kids with a character called Eddie Eagle,
>>>> teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had merit then, that was
>>>> back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented themselves into a
>>>> lobbying organization so the gun industry could profit by selling
>>>> more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you don't get this I feel
>>>> sorry for you.
>>>
>>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
>>
>>
>> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and
>> torture.   Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually mean
>> so stop fucking around.
>
> The distinction is a matter of degree.  What's the same is the motive.

And you're claiming that to be what? Because what I'm hearing is your
thoughts are so fucked up and twisted that you think Chuck Heston's
treatment was more heinous than the massacre at Columbine.

On 4/27/2024 1:45 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 4/27/24 11:01 AM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk"
>>>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking
>>>>>>>>>>> her but says
>>>>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was loaded.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering,
>>>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a
>>>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch an
>>>>>>>>> Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or say
>>>>>>>>> anything that
>>>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get the
>>>>>>>>> benefit of the
>>>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant
>>>>>>>>> as humanly
>>>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I
>>>>>>>>> mean, really,
>>>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale,
>>>>>>>> where Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around
>>>>>>>> his own home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with
>>>>>>>> Alzheimer's, but even on its own the scene undercuts any humane
>>>>>>>> aspect to Moore's message.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to
>>>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to
>>>>>>> pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as
>>>>>>> the case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out
>>>>>>> of whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and two
>>>>>>> together and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man
>>>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended
>>>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly to
>>>>>> his persuasiveness.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an asshole
>>>>> doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers weren't
>>>>> either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of sick fucks,
>>>>> and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the favor of
>>>>> dying. Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full dipshit
>>>>> mode.  I used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I remember
>>>>> watching this thing they showed kids with a character called Eddie
>>>>> Eagle, teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had merit then,
>>>>> that was back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented themselves
>>>>> into a lobbying organization so the gun industry could profit by
>>>>> selling more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you don't get this
>>>>> I feel sorry for you.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and
>>> torture.   Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually mean
>>> so stop fucking around.
>>
>> The distinction is a matter of degree.  What's the same is the motive.
>
>
> And you're claiming that to be what?  Because what I'm hearing is your
> thoughts are so fucked up and twisted that you think Chuck Heston's
> treatment was more heinous than the massacre at Columbine.

Without any material (and, even then, likely dubious) aim, torture and
harassment are merely about delighting in causing someone pain.

On 2024-04-26 08:30:43 +0000, Ubiquitous said:

> In article <v0ec7v$36anb$1@dont-email.me>, super70s@super70s.invalid wrote:
>> On 2024-04-25 19:06:46 +0000, moviePig said:
>>> On 4/25/2024 2:01 PM, shawn wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 17:12:03 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-23 17:04:10 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin Shot to the
>>>>>>>> jaw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called Crackhead
>>>>>>> Barney & Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They showed it on TMZ Live, from "why did you shoot that girl" to "say
>>>>>> Free Palestine...say it just once"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She's gonna ambush the wrong person one of these days, probably from
>>>>>> her own hood.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is it with this thing protesters do these days where they demand
>>>>> their target repeat a phrase? They did this to Occasional-Cortex and now
>>>>> Alec Baldwin-- in both cases they wanted them to recite "Free
>>>>> Palestine".
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if Baldwin doesn't believe it, she wants him to just say it. If
>>>>> you're a normal person and you watch that, you think, what value is
>>>>> there in making him say it?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what she intended. I'm sure someone would clip out his
>>>> just saying the phrase and use that to show more support for Palestine
>>>> but I'm not sure if that was her point. More likely it's just the hot
>>>> phrase that can generate clicks so she's using it. After all she can
>>>> use it as a title to draw in the clicks "Alec Baldwin says Free
>>>> Palestine!"
>>>>
>>>>> Let's say you succeed and he says the phrase. He's only saying it
>>>>> because you have hectored and harassed him into saying it and he figures
>>>>> you'll go away if he does. He's only saying it because you won't shut
>>>>> up, not because he believes it. You haven't changed his mind or
>>>>> anything. He's just repeating a phrase that you have assigned to him.
>>>>> What do you get out of that? What does that accomplish? What's the
>>>>> point?
>>>>
>>>> The clicks are all that matters.
>>>>
>>>>> They did this during the BLM Summer of Love riots, too. They'd burst
>>>>> into restaurants and surround white people eating dinner and demand
>>>>> that they say "black lives matter".
>>>>
>>>> My response as a nobody who doesn't have a social media following
>>>> would be to say "Black lives don't matter" just to watch them lose
>>>> their minds. Demanding any sort of comment from me isn't going to get
>>>> the desired response unless I'm in fear of damage to my person.
>>>>
>>>>> Leftists seem to take this approach on every issue, in every situation.
>>>>> It seems intellectually adjacent to the pronoun stuff with the troons.
>>>>> You *must* say the words they want regardless of whether you believe
>>>>> them or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not only don't they care if you actually believe the words, they almost
>>>>> *prefer* that you not believe them. Because that shows their power over
>>>>> you. If you believed the words, then they haven't really exercised any
>>>>> power over you, but if they can make you say shit you don't believe in
>>>>> because they've scared or intimidated you into doing so, then they have
>>>>> bright line evidence of the power they wield.
>>>>
>>>> Power that amounts to nothing in the real world. Maybe it makes them
>>>> feel good but it is only going to make people turn against them and
>>>> their ideas. It's like winning the battle at the cost of losing the
>>>> war.
>>>
>>> I doubt there's evidence this is the province of "leftists".
>>
>> I understand Jesse Watters started his (in)auspicious career doing
>> "ambushes" for Bill O'Reilly.
>
> Your understanding is wrong.

Well bubba, he certainly DID do ambush interviews for O'Reilly at one
point, whether or not it was the beginning of his career at Fox News or
in broadcasting in general I don't care enough about the sneering worm
to look up.

On 4/27/24 2:02 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 4/27/2024 1:45 PM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 4/27/24 11:01 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk"
>>>>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baldwin Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking
>>>>>>>>>>>> her but says
>>>>>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was
>>>>>>>>>>> loaded.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering,
>>>>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a
>>>>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch an
>>>>>>>>>> Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or say
>>>>>>>>>> anything that
>>>>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get
>>>>>>>>>> the benefit of the
>>>>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant
>>>>>>>>>> as humanly
>>>>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I
>>>>>>>>>> mean, really,
>>>>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale,
>>>>>>>>> where Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around
>>>>>>>>> his own home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with
>>>>>>>>> Alzheimer's, but even on its own the scene undercuts any humane
>>>>>>>>> aspect to Moore's message.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to
>>>>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to
>>>>>>>> pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as
>>>>>>>> the case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out
>>>>>>>> of whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and two
>>>>>>>> together and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man
>>>>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended
>>>>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly to
>>>>>>> his persuasiveness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an
>>>>>> asshole doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers
>>>>>> weren't either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of
>>>>>> sick fucks, and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the
>>>>>> favor of dying. Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full
>>>>>> dipshit mode.  I used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I
>>>>>> remember watching this thing they showed kids with a character
>>>>>> called Eddie Eagle, teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had
>>>>>> merit then, that was back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented
>>>>>> themselves into a lobbying organization so the gun industry could
>>>>>> profit by selling more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you
>>>>>> don't get this I feel sorry for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and
>>>> torture.   Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually mean
>>>> so stop fucking around.
>>>
>>> The distinction is a matter of degree.  What's the same is the motive.
>>
>>
>> And you're claiming that to be what?  Because what I'm hearing is your
>> thoughts are so fucked up and twisted that you think Chuck Heston's
>> treatment was more heinous than the massacre at Columbine.
>
> Without any material (and, even then, likely dubious) aim, torture and
> harassment are merely about delighting in causing someone pain.

So what you're saying is the guy who belongs to the "pull yourself up by
the bootstraps" party was in a lot of emotional pain there? Is this
some sort of exercise in disingenuousness? Hell, no gun was pulled from
his cold dead hands, why didn't he brandish one at MM? Let me guess: he
was just a doddering old fool at that point and just lucked out by being
President of the biggest lobbying organization in the history of
Washington. Makes sense.

On 4/28/2024 6:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 4/27/24 2:02 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/27/2024 1:45 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/27/24 11:01 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk"
>>>>>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baldwin Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> striking her but says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was
>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering,
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a
>>>>>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch
>>>>>>>>>>> an Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>>>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or
>>>>>>>>>>> say anything that
>>>>>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get
>>>>>>>>>>> the benefit of the
>>>>>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>>>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant
>>>>>>>>>>> as humanly
>>>>>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I
>>>>>>>>>>> mean, really,
>>>>>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale,
>>>>>>>>>> where Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around
>>>>>>>>>> his own home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with
>>>>>>>>>> Alzheimer's, but even on its own the scene undercuts any
>>>>>>>>>> humane aspect to Moore's message.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to
>>>>>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required
>>>>>>>>> to pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones,
>>>>>>>>> as the case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is
>>>>>>>>> out of whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and
>>>>>>>>> two together and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man
>>>>>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended
>>>>>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly
>>>>>>>> to his persuasiveness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an
>>>>>>> asshole doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers
>>>>>>> weren't either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of
>>>>>>> sick fucks, and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the
>>>>>>> favor of dying. Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full
>>>>>>> dipshit mode.  I used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I
>>>>>>> remember watching this thing they showed kids with a character
>>>>>>> called Eddie Eagle, teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had
>>>>>>> merit then, that was back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented
>>>>>>> themselves into a lobbying organization so the gun industry could
>>>>>>> profit by selling more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you
>>>>>>> don't get this I feel sorry for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and
>>>>> torture.   Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually
>>>>> mean so stop fucking around.
>>>>
>>>> The distinction is a matter of degree.  What's the same is the motive.
>>>
>>>
>>> And you're claiming that to be what?  Because what I'm hearing is
>>> your thoughts are so fucked up and twisted that you think Chuck
>>> Heston's treatment was more heinous than the massacre at Columbine.
>>
>> Without any material (and, even then, likely dubious) aim, torture and
>> harassment are merely about delighting in causing someone pain.
>
>
> So what you're saying is the guy who belongs to the "pull yourself up by
> the bootstraps" party was in a lot of emotional pain there?  Is this
> some sort of exercise in disingenuousness?  Hell, no gun was pulled from
> his cold dead hands, why didn't he brandish one at MM?  Let me guess: he
> was just a doddering old fool at that point and just lucked out by being
> President of the biggest lobbying organization in the history of
> Washington.  Makes sense.

On Apr 28, 2024 at 3:19:10 AM PDT, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

> On 4/27/24 2:02 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/27/2024 1:45 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/27/24 11:01 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk"
>>>>>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baldwin Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> her but says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was
>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering,
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a
>>>>>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch an
>>>>>>>>>>> Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>>>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or say
>>>>>>>>>>> anything that
>>>>>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get
>>>>>>>>>>> the benefit of the
>>>>>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>>>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant
>>>>>>>>>>> as humanly
>>>>>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I
>>>>>>>>>>> mean, really,
>>>>>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale,
>>>>>>>>>> where Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around
>>>>>>>>>> his own home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with
>>>>>>>>>> Alzheimer's, but even on its own the scene undercuts any humane
>>>>>>>>>> aspect to Moore's message.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to
>>>>>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to
>>>>>>>>> pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as
>>>>>>>>> the case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out
>>>>>>>>> of whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and two
>>>>>>>>> together and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man
>>>>>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended
>>>>>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly to
>>>>>>>> his persuasiveness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an
>>>>>>> asshole doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers
>>>>>>> weren't either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of
>>>>>>> sick fucks, and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the
>>>>>>> favor of dying. Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full
>>>>>>> dipshit mode.  I used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I
>>>>>>> remember watching this thing they showed kids with a character
>>>>>>> called Eddie Eagle, teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had
>>>>>>> merit then, that was back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented
>>>>>>> themselves into a lobbying organization so the gun industry could
>>>>>>> profit by selling more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you
>>>>>>> don't get this I feel sorry for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and
>>>>> torture.   Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually mean
>>>>> so stop fucking around.
>>>>
>>>> The distinction is a matter of degree.  What's the same is the motive.
>>>
>>>
>>> And you're claiming that to be what?  Because what I'm hearing is your
>>> thoughts are so fucked up and twisted that you think Chuck Heston's
>>> treatment was more heinous than the massacre at Columbine.
>>
>> Without any material (and, even then, likely dubious) aim, torture and
>> harassment are merely about delighting in causing someone pain.
>
> was just a doddering old fool at that point and just lucked out by being
> President of the biggest lobbying organization in the history of
> Washington.

moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 4/28/2024 6:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 4/27/24 2:02 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 4/27/2024 1:45 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/24 11:01 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>> On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baldwin Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> striking her but says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering,
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a
>>>>>>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch
>>>>>>>>>>>> an Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>>>>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or
>>>>>>>>>>>> say anything that
>>>>>>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get
>>>>>>>>>>>> the benefit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>>>>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant
>>>>>>>>>>>> as humanly
>>>>>>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, really,
>>>>>>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale,
>>>>>>>>>>> where Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around
>>>>>>>>>>> his own home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with
>>>>>>>>>>> Alzheimer's, but even on its own the scene undercuts any
>>>>>>>>>>> humane aspect to Moore's message.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to
>>>>>>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required
>>>>>>>>>> to pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones,
>>>>>>>>>> as the case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is
>>>>>>>>>> out of whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and
>>>>>>>>>> two together and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man
>>>>>>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended
>>>>>>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly
>>>>>>>>> to his persuasiveness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an
>>>>>>>> asshole doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers
>>>>>>>> weren't either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of
>>>>>>>> sick fucks, and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the
>>>>>>>> favor of dying. Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full
>>>>>>>> dipshit mode.  I used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I
>>>>>>>> remember watching this thing they showed kids with a character
>>>>>>>> called Eddie Eagle, teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had
>>>>>>>> merit then, that was back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented
>>>>>>>> themselves into a lobbying organization so the gun industry could
>>>>>>>> profit by selling more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you
>>>>>>>> don't get this I feel sorry for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and
>>>>>> torture.   Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually
>>>>>> mean so stop fucking around.
>>>>>
>>>>> The distinction is a matter of degree.  What's the same is the motive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you're claiming that to be what?  Because what I'm hearing is
>>>> your thoughts are so fucked up and twisted that you think Chuck
>>>> Heston's treatment was more heinous than the massacre at Columbine.
>>>
>>> Without any material (and, even then, likely dubious) aim, torture and
>>> harassment are merely about delighting in causing someone pain.
>>
>>
>> So what you're saying is the guy who belongs to the "pull yourself up by
>> the bootstraps" party was in a lot of emotional pain there?  Is this
>> some sort of exercise in disingenuousness?  Hell, no gun was pulled from
>> his cold dead hands, why didn't he brandish one at MM?  Let me guess: he
>> was just a doddering old fool at that point and just lucked out by being
>> President of the biggest lobbying organization in the history of
>> Washington.  Makes sense.
>
> What I'm saying is that, if there's nothing to gain from torture, you're
> left with merely the question of whether to cheer for it.

On 4/28/2024 3:31 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 4/28/2024 6:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/27/24 2:02 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/2024 1:45 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 4/27/24 11:01 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baldwin Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> striking her but says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say anything that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the benefit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as humanly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, really,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale,
>>>>>>>>>>>> where Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around
>>>>>>>>>>>> his own home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alzheimer's, but even on its own the scene undercuts any
>>>>>>>>>>>> humane aspect to Moore's message.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to
>>>>>>>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required
>>>>>>>>>>> to pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones,
>>>>>>>>>>> as the case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is
>>>>>>>>>>> out of whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and
>>>>>>>>>>> two together and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man
>>>>>>>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended
>>>>>>>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly
>>>>>>>>>> to his persuasiveness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an
>>>>>>>>> asshole doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers
>>>>>>>>> weren't either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of
>>>>>>>>> sick fucks, and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the
>>>>>>>>> favor of dying. Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full
>>>>>>>>> dipshit mode.  I used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I
>>>>>>>>> remember watching this thing they showed kids with a character
>>>>>>>>> called Eddie Eagle, teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had
>>>>>>>>> merit then, that was back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented
>>>>>>>>> themselves into a lobbying organization so the gun industry could
>>>>>>>>> profit by selling more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you
>>>>>>>>> don't get this I feel sorry for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and
>>>>>>> torture.   Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually
>>>>>>> mean so stop fucking around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The distinction is a matter of degree.  What's the same is the motive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And you're claiming that to be what?  Because what I'm hearing is
>>>>> your thoughts are so fucked up and twisted that you think Chuck
>>>>> Heston's treatment was more heinous than the massacre at Columbine.
>>>>
>>>> Without any material (and, even then, likely dubious) aim, torture and
>>>> harassment are merely about delighting in causing someone pain.
>>>
>>>
>>> So what you're saying is the guy who belongs to the "pull yourself up by
>>> the bootstraps" party was in a lot of emotional pain there?  Is this
>>> some sort of exercise in disingenuousness?  Hell, no gun was pulled from
>>> his cold dead hands, why didn't he brandish one at MM?  Let me guess: he
>>> was just a doddering old fool at that point and just lucked out by being
>>> President of the biggest lobbying organization in the history of
>>> Washington.  Makes sense.
>>
>> What I'm saying is that, if there's nothing to gain from torture, you're
>> left with merely the question of whether to cheer for it.
>
> You won’t know if there’s nothing to gain from torture until you try.

On 4/28/24 2:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2024 at 3:19:10 AM PDT, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/27/24 2:02 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 4/27/2024 1:45 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/24 11:01 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>> On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baldwin Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her but says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering,
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a
>>>>>>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch an
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>>>>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or say
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything that
>>>>>>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get
>>>>>>>>>>>> the benefit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>>>>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant
>>>>>>>>>>>> as humanly
>>>>>>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, really,
>>>>>>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale,
>>>>>>>>>>> where Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around
>>>>>>>>>>> his own home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with
>>>>>>>>>>> Alzheimer's, but even on its own the scene undercuts any humane
>>>>>>>>>>> aspect to Moore's message.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to
>>>>>>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to
>>>>>>>>>> pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as
>>>>>>>>>> the case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out
>>>>>>>>>> of whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and two
>>>>>>>>>> together and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man
>>>>>>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended
>>>>>>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly to
>>>>>>>>> his persuasiveness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an
>>>>>>>> asshole doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers
>>>>>>>> weren't either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of
>>>>>>>> sick fucks, and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the
>>>>>>>> favor of dying. Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full
>>>>>>>> dipshit mode.  I used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I
>>>>>>>> remember watching this thing they showed kids with a character
>>>>>>>> called Eddie Eagle, teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had
>>>>>>>> merit then, that was back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented
>>>>>>>> themselves into a lobbying organization so the gun industry could
>>>>>>>> profit by selling more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you
>>>>>>>> don't get this I feel sorry for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and
>>>>>> torture.   Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually mean
>>>>>> so stop fucking around.
>>>>>
>>>>> The distinction is a matter of degree.  What's the same is the motive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you're claiming that to be what?  Because what I'm hearing is your
>>>> thoughts are so fucked up and twisted that you think Chuck Heston's
>>>> treatment was more heinous than the massacre at Columbine.
>>>
>>> Without any material (and, even then, likely dubious) aim, torture and
>>> harassment are merely about delighting in causing someone pain.
>>
>> was just a doddering old fool at that point and just lucked out by being
>> President of the biggest lobbying organization in the history of
>> Washington.
>
> LOL! The NRA is not and never has been bigger than the Left's Big Labor
> unions, Hutt, you delusional fuckwit.
>
>

In article <v0jt28$jq6p$1@dont-email.me>, super70s@super70s.invalid wrote:
> On 2024-04-26 08:30:43 +0000, Ubiquitous said:
>> super70s@super70s.invalid wrote:

>>> I understand Jesse Watters started his (in)auspicious career doing
>>> "ambushes" for Bill O'Reilly.
>>
>> Your understanding is wrong.
>
>Well bubba, he certainly DID do ambush interviews for O'Reilly at one
>point, whether or not it was the beginning of his career at Fox News or
>in broadcasting in general I don't care enough about the sneering worm
>to look up.

IOW, I was correct.

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