On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 10:49:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 10:36:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > Good choice, Jordy.
> >
> > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> >
> > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> > > > > Versers".
> > > > >
> > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
> > > > >
> > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > >
> > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> > > > > beyond...
> > > > >
> > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > Donald Evans
> > > > > Allen Norton
> > > > > Louise Norton
> > > > > H.D.
> > > > > Mina Loy
> > > > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > Ezra Pound
> > > > >
> > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> > > > >
> > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > >
> > > > > :D
> > > >
> > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
> >
> > Ping: Jordy:
> >
> > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > >
> > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > >
> > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > >
> > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
> >
> > *** *** ***
> Thanks Will

Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.

🙂

On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:06:57 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 10:49:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 10:36:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > Good choice, Jordy.
> > >
> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > >
> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> > > > > > Versers".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> > > > > > beyond...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > H.D.
> > > > > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > :D
> > > > >
> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
> > >
> > > Ping: Jordy:
> > >
> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > >
> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > >
> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
> > >
> > > *** *** ***
> > Thanks Will
> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
bonjour Will

On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:06:57 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 10:49:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 10:36:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > Good choice, Jordy.
> > > >
> > > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> > > > > > > Versers".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> > > > > > > beyond...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > H.D.
> > > > > > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > :D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
> > > >
> > > > Ping: Jordy:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > >
> > > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > >
> > > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
> > > >
> > > > *** *** ***
> > > Thanks Will
> > Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
> >
>
> bonjour Will

Good evening, my friend.

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>
>> > > Good choice, Jordy.
>> > >
>> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
>> > >
>> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
>> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
>> > > > > > Versers".
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
>> > > > > > beyond...
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Richard Aldington
>> > > > > > Amy Lowell
>> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
>> > > > > > Harry Kemp
>> > > > > > Donald Evans
>> > > > > > Allen Norton
>> > > > > > Louise Norton
>> > > > > > H.D.
>> > > > > > Mina Loy
>> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
>> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> > > > > > Ezra Pound
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > :D
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>> > >
>> > > Ping: Jordy:
>> > >
>> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> > > >
>> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>> > > >
>> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> > > >
>> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
>> > >
>> > > *** *** ***
>> > Thanks Will
>> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
>>
>
> bonjour Will

hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here.

:)

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> >
> >> > > Good choice, Jordy.
> >> > >
> >> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> >> > >
> >> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
> >> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> >> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> >> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> >> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> >> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> >> > > > > > Versers".
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> >> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> >> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> >> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> >> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> >> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> >> > > > > > beyond...
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> >> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> >> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Richard Aldington
> >> > > > > > Amy Lowell
> >> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
> >> > > > > > Harry Kemp
> >> > > > > > Donald Evans
> >> > > > > > Allen Norton
> >> > > > > > Louise Norton
> >> > > > > > H.D.
> >> > > > > > Mina Loy
> >> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
> >> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > :D
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
> >> > >
> >> > > Ping: Jordy:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
> >> > >
> >> > > *** *** ***
> >> > Thanks Will
> >> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
> >>
> >
> > bonjour Will
> hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here..
>
> :)
Shalom, Will

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>> >
>> >> > > Good choice, Jordy.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
>> >> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> >> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> >> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> >> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> >> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
>> >> > > > > > Versers".
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> >> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> >> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> >> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> >> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> >> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
>> >> > > > > > beyond...
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> >> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> >> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Richard Aldington
>> >> > > > > > Amy Lowell
>> >> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
>> >> > > > > > Harry Kemp
>> >> > > > > > Donald Evans
>> >> > > > > > Allen Norton
>> >> > > > > > Louise Norton
>> >> > > > > > H.D.
>> >> > > > > > Mina Loy
>> >> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
>> >> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > :D
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Ping: Jordy:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
>> >> > >
>> >> > > *** *** ***
>> >> > Thanks Will
>> >> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
>> >>
>> >
>> > bonjour Will
>> Hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here.
>
> Shalom, Will

Good morning, Jordy.

🙂

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:33:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> >> >
> >> >> > > Good choice, Jordy.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> >> >> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> >> >> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> >> >> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> >> >> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> >> >> > > > > > Versers".
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> >> >> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> >> >> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> >> >> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> >> >> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> >> >> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> >> >> > > > > > beyond...
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> >> >> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> >> >> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > Richard Aldington
> >> >> > > > > > Amy Lowell
> >> >> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
> >> >> > > > > > Harry Kemp
> >> >> > > > > > Donald Evans
> >> >> > > > > > Allen Norton
> >> >> > > > > > Louise Norton
> >> >> > > > > > H.D.
> >> >> > > > > > Mina Loy
> >> >> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
> >> >> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > :D
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Ping: Jordy:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > *** *** ***
> >> >> > Thanks Will
> >> >> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > bonjour Will
> >> Hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here.
> >
> > Shalom, Will
>
> Good morning, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
hola Will

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:33:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>> >> >
>> >> >> > > Good choice, Jordy.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> >> >> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> >> >> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> >> >> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> >> >> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
>> >> >> > > > > > Versers".
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> >> >> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> >> >> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> >> >> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> >> >> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> >> >> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
>> >> >> > > > > > beyond...
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> >> >> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> >> >> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > Richard Aldington
>> >> >> > > > > > Amy Lowell
>> >> >> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
>> >> >> > > > > > Harry Kemp
>> >> >> > > > > > Donald Evans
>> >> >> > > > > > Allen Norton
>> >> >> > > > > > Louise Norton
>> >> >> > > > > > H.D.
>> >> >> > > > > > Mina Loy
>> >> >> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
>> >> >> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > :D
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Ping: Jordy:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > *** *** ***
>> >> >> > Thanks Will
>> >> >> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > bonjour Will
>> >> Hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here.
>> >
>> > Shalom, Will
>>
>> Good morning, Jordy.
>>
>
> hola Will

Hello there, my friend.

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:20:05 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:33:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > Good choice, Jordy.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> >> >> >> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> >> >> >> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> >> >> >> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> >> >> >> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> >> >> >> > > > > > Versers".
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> >> >> >> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> >> >> >> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> >> >> >> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> >> >> >> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> >> >> >> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> >> >> >> > > > > > beyond...
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> >> >> >> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> >> >> >> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > Richard Aldington
> >> >> >> > > > > > Amy Lowell
> >> >> >> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
> >> >> >> > > > > > Harry Kemp
> >> >> >> > > > > > Donald Evans
> >> >> >> > > > > > Allen Norton
> >> >> >> > > > > > Louise Norton
> >> >> >> > > > > > H.D.
> >> >> >> > > > > > Mina Loy
> >> >> >> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
> >> >> >> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > :D
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Ping: Jordy:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > *** *** ***
> >> >> >> > Thanks Will
> >> >> >> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > bonjour Will
> >> >> Hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here.
> >> >
> >> > Shalom, Will
> >>
> >> Good morning, Jordy.
> >>
> >
> > hola Will
> Hello there, my friend.
bonjour, Will

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:20:05 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:33:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > > Good choice, Jordy.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> >> >> >> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> >> >> >> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> >> >> >> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Versers".
>> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> >> >> >> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> >> >> >> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
>> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> >> >> >> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> >> >> >> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> >> >> >> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
>> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
>> >> >> >> > > > > > beyond...
>> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> >> >> >> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> >> >> >> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Richard Aldington
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Amy Lowell
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Harry Kemp
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Donald Evans
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Allen Norton
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Louise Norton
>> >> >> >> > > > > > H.D.
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Mina Loy
>> >> >> >> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound
>> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > :D
>> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Ping: Jordy:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > *** *** ***
>> >> >> >> > Thanks Will
>> >> >> >> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > bonjour Will
>> >> >> Hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here.
>> >> >
>> >> > Shalom, Will
>
>> Hello there, my friend.
> bonjour, Will

Good afternoon, Jordy.

🙂

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 3:10:46 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:20:05 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:33:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > > Good choice, Jordy.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Versers".
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > beyond...
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Richard Aldington
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Amy Lowell
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Harry Kemp
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Donald Evans
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Allen Norton
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Louise Norton
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > H.D.
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Mina Loy
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > :D
> >> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Ping: Jordy:
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > *** *** ***
> >> >> >> >> > Thanks Will
> >> >> >> >> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > bonjour Will
> >> >> >> Hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Shalom, Will
> >
> >> Hello there, my friend.
> > bonjour, Will
> Good afternoon, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
hola Will

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>
>> >> >> >> >> > > Good choice, Jordy.
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Versers".
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > beyond...
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Richard Aldington
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Amy Lowell
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Harry Kemp
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Donald Evans
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Allen Norton
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Louise Norton
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > H.D.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Mina Loy
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > :D
>> >> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > Ping: Jordy:
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>> >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > *** *** ***
>> >> >> >> >> > Thanks Will
>> >> >> >> >> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > bonjour Will
>> >> >> >> Hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Shalom, Will
>
>> Good afternoon, Jordy.
>>
>
> hola Will

Great to see you today, my friend.

🙂

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:46:05 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > Good choice, Jordy.
> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Versers".
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > beyond...
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Richard Aldington
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Amy Lowell
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Harry Kemp
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Donald Evans
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Allen Norton
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Louise Norton
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > H.D.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Mina Loy
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > :D
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten.......
> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > Ping: Jordy:
> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > *** *** ***
> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks Will
> >> >> >> >> >> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > bonjour Will
> >> >> >> >> Hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
> >
> >> Good afternoon, Jordy.
> >>
> >
> > hola Will
> Great to see you today, my friend.
>
> 🙂
bonjour, Will

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:46:05 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > Good choice, Jordy.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
>> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Versers".
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > beyond...
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Richard Aldington
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Amy Lowell
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Harry Kemp
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Donald Evans
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Allen Norton
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Louise Norton
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > H.D.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Mina Loy
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > :D
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten.......
>> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > Ping: Jordy:
>> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
>> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > > *** *** ***
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks Will
>> >> >> >> >> >> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > bonjour Will
>> >> >> >> >> Hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
>> >
>> >> Good afternoon, Jordy.
>> >>
>> >
>> > hola Will
>> Great to see you today, my friend.
>>
>
> bonjour, Will

Hello again, Jordy.

🙂

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 1:36:35 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:46:05 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>> Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Good choice, Jordy.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Versers".
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > beyond...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Richard Aldington
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Amy Lowell
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Harry Kemp
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Donald Evans
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Allen Norton
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Louise Norton
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > H.D.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Mina Loy
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > :D
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Ping: Jordy:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > *** *** ***
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks Will
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > bonjour Will
> >> >> >> >> >> Hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
> >> >
> >> >> Good afternoon, Jordy.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > hola Will
> >> Great to see you today, my friend.
> >>
> >
> > bonjour, Will
> Hello again, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
Shalom Will

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 1:36:35 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:46:05 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>> Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Good choice, Jordy.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Versers".
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > beyond...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Richard Aldington
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Amy Lowell
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Harry Kemp
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Donald Evans
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Allen Norton
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Louise Norton
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > H.D.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Mina Loy
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Ezra Pound
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > :D
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Ping: Jordy:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > *** *** ***
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks Will
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > bonjour Will
>> >> >> >> >> >> Hello again, my friend, and, as always, great to see a friendly face here.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Shalom, Will
>> >> >
>> >> >> Good afternoon, Jordy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > hola Will
>> >> Great to see you today, my friend.
>> >>
>> >
>> > bonjour, Will
>> Hello again, Jordy.
>>
>
> Shalom Will

Jordy C. wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>> Jordy C. wrote:
>> > Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > Jordy C. wrote:
>
>> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>
> > > Good choice, Jordy.
>> > >
>> > > I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
>> > >
>> > > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
>> > > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> > > > > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> > > > > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> > > > > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> > > > > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
>> > > > > > Versers".
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> > > > > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> > > > > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> > > > > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> > > > > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> > > > > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
>> > > > > > beyond...
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> > > > > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> > > > > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Richard Aldington
>> > > > > > Amy Lowell
>> > > > > > Vacel Lindsay
>> > > > > > Harry Kemp
>> > > > > > Donald Evans
>> > > > > > Allen Norton
>> > > > > > Louise Norton
>> > > > > > H.D.
>> > > > > > Mina Loy
>> > > > > > William Carlos Williams
>> > > > > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> > > > > > Ezra Pound
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > :D
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>> > >
>> > > Ping: Jordy:
>> > >
>> > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> > > >
>> > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>> > > >
>> > > > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> > > >
>> > > > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things..."
>> > >
>> > > *** *** ***
>> > Thanks Will
>> Good morning, and again, you're welcome, Jordy.
>>
>
> bonjour Will

Hello again my friend.

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