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* Insanity - and good reasonIlya Shambat
`* Re: Insanity - and good reasonMichael Pendragon
 `* Re: Insanity - and good reasonNancyGene
  `* Re: Insanity - and good reasonMichael Pendragon
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      `* Re: Insanity - and good reasonMichael Pendragon
       `- Re: Insanity - and good reasonCoco DeSockmonkey

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Subject: Insanity - and good reason
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 by: Ilya Shambat - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 01:02 UTC

Insanity - and good reason,
Disgrace - and honor,
All, that brings on thoughtfulness,
Is spilling over -

In me. - All the penal passions
Become as one! -
All images wage war inside
This hair of mine!

The lover's whisper, all around
By rote I know,
Experience of twenty two years
Nothing but sorrow!

But - won't you say - innocently pink
Look I,
I'm virtuoso's virtuoso
In art of lies.

In her let out like a ball,
Caught once again,
The blood of Polish great-grandmoms
Is evident.

I lie because in cemeteries
The grass does grow,
I lie because in cemeteries
Snowstorm does blow...

From violin - from automobile -
From silk, from fire...
From torment that not only me
They all desired!

From pain, that I am not the bride
Of the groom...
From poem and gesture - for the gesture
And for the poem!

From tender boa on the neck...
And how can I
Not lie - when my voice sounds more tender
When I do lie...

By Marina Tsvetayeva
Translated from Russian by Ilya Shambat

Re: Insanity - and good reason

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Subject: Re: Insanity - and good reason
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 by: Michael Pendragon - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 01:31 UTC

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:02:41 PM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> Insanity - and good reason,
> Disgrace - and honor,
> All, that brings on thoughtfulness,
> Is spilling over -
>
> In me. -

Ignoring the fact that you've used hyphens instead of em dashes... again... one feels compelled to ask you "To what end?"

There is no reason to use a hyphen or a dash (or any other form of punctuation) here. "Disgrace and honor." "All that brings on thoughtfulness is spilling over in me."

Your misuse of punctuation here is so incompetent as to render the entire "translation" abominable.

> All the penal passions

I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole.

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Subject: Re: Insanity - and good reason
From: nancygen...@gmail.com (NancyGene)
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 by: NancyGene - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:05 UTC

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:31:21 AM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:02:41 PM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > Insanity - and good reason,
> > Disgrace - and honor,
> > All, that brings on thoughtfulness,
> > Is spilling over -
> >
> > In me. -
> Ignoring the fact that you've used hyphens instead of em dashes... again.... one feels compelled to ask you "To what end?"

Because they were there in the Russian version and Ilya Shambat keeps those but rejects the words?
Google Translation:
"Madness - and prudence,
Shame and honor
Anything that makes you think
Everything is too much -"
>
> There is no reason to use a hyphen or a dash (or any other form of punctuation) here. "Disgrace and honor." "All that brings on thoughtfulness is spilling over in me."
>
> Your misuse of punctuation here is so incompetent as to render the entire "translation" abominable.

The translation doesn't need any excuse to be bad. It just is.
>
> > All the penal passions

We contacted Joey Stout about that. He says he is never lonely and always feels beautiful and desired.

Google Translation:
"In my. - All hard labor passions
Twisted into one! —
So in my hair - all suits
Waging war!"
>
> I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole.
Jordy's Uncle would probably be excited to go see a movie called "Penal Passions."

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:20 UTC

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:05:09 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:31:21 AM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:02:41 PM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > > Insanity - and good reason,
> > > Disgrace - and honor,
> > > All, that brings on thoughtfulness,
> > > Is spilling over -
> > >
> > > In me. -
> > Ignoring the fact that you've used hyphens instead of em dashes... again... one feels compelled to ask you "To what end?"
> Because they were there in the Russian version and Ilya Shambat keeps those but rejects the words?
> Google Translation:
> "Madness - and prudence,
> Shame and honor
> Anything that makes you think
> Everything is too much -"
> >
> > There is no reason to use a hyphen or a dash (or any other form of punctuation) here. "Disgrace and honor." "All that brings on thoughtfulness is spilling over in me."
> >
> > Your misuse of punctuation here is so incompetent as to render the entire "translation" abominable.
> The translation doesn't need any excuse to be bad. It just is.
> >
> > > All the penal passions
>
> We contacted Joey Stout about that. He says he is never lonely and always feels beautiful and desired.
>
> Google Translation:
> "In my. - All hard labor passions
> Twisted into one! —
> So in my hair - all suits
> Waging war!"
> >
> > I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole.
> Jordy's Uncle would probably be excited to go see a movie called "Penal Passions."

Especially if young boys like his nephew and Joey Stout were starring in it..

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 by: NancyGene - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:27 UTC

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:20:23 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:05:09 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:31:21 AM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:02:41 PM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > > > Insanity - and good reason,
> > > > Disgrace - and honor,
> > > > All, that brings on thoughtfulness,
> > > > Is spilling over -
> > > >
> > > > In me. -
> > > Ignoring the fact that you've used hyphens instead of em dashes... again... one feels compelled to ask you "To what end?"
> > Because they were there in the Russian version and Ilya Shambat keeps those but rejects the words?
> > Google Translation:
> > "Madness - and prudence,
> > Shame and honor
> > Anything that makes you think
> > Everything is too much -"
> > >
> > > There is no reason to use a hyphen or a dash (or any other form of punctuation) here. "Disgrace and honor." "All that brings on thoughtfulness is spilling over in me."
> > >
> > > Your misuse of punctuation here is so incompetent as to render the entire "translation" abominable.
> > The translation doesn't need any excuse to be bad. It just is.
> > >
> > > > All the penal passions
> >
> > We contacted Joey Stout about that. He says he is never lonely and always feels beautiful and desired.
> >
> > Google Translation:
> > "In my. - All hard labor passions
> > Twisted into one! —
> > So in my hair - all suits
> > Waging war!"
> > >
> > > I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole.
> > Jordy's Uncle would probably be excited to go see a movie called "Penal Passions."
> Especially if young boys like his nephew and Joey Stout were starring in it.
Ducky is trying to get permission to film at the prison.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 19:31 UTC

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:27:42 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:20:23 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:05:09 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:31:21 AM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:02:41 PM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > > > > Insanity - and good reason,
> > > > > Disgrace - and honor,
> > > > > All, that brings on thoughtfulness,
> > > > > Is spilling over -
> > > > >
> > > > > In me. -
> > > > Ignoring the fact that you've used hyphens instead of em dashes... again... one feels compelled to ask you "To what end?"
> > > Because they were there in the Russian version and Ilya Shambat keeps those but rejects the words?
> > > Google Translation:
> > > "Madness - and prudence,
> > > Shame and honor
> > > Anything that makes you think
> > > Everything is too much -"
> > > >
> > > > There is no reason to use a hyphen or a dash (or any other form of punctuation) here. "Disgrace and honor." "All that brings on thoughtfulness is spilling over in me."
> > > >
> > > > Your misuse of punctuation here is so incompetent as to render the entire "translation" abominable.
> > > The translation doesn't need any excuse to be bad. It just is.
> > > >
> > > > > All the penal passions
> > >
> > > We contacted Joey Stout about that. He says he is never lonely and always feels beautiful and desired.
> > >
> > > Google Translation:
> > > "In my. - All hard labor passions
> > > Twisted into one! —
> > > So in my hair - all suits
> > > Waging war!"
> > > >
> > > > I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole.
> > > Jordy's Uncle would probably be excited to go see a movie called "Penal Passions."
> > Especially if young boys like his nephew and Joey Stout were starring in it.
> Ducky is trying to get permission to film at the prison.

Sounds good. And once they get Jordy's Pervy Uncle on the "set," they can "accidentally" keep him locked up there.

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Subject: Re: Insanity - and good reason
From: nancygen...@gmail.com (NancyGene)
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 by: NancyGene - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 16:43 UTC

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 7:31:50 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:27:42 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:20:23 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:05:09 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:31:21 AM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:02:41 PM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > > > > > Insanity - and good reason,
> > > > > > Disgrace - and honor,
> > > > > > All, that brings on thoughtfulness,
> > > > > > Is spilling over -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In me. -
> > > > > Ignoring the fact that you've used hyphens instead of em dashes.... again... one feels compelled to ask you "To what end?"
> > > > Because they were there in the Russian version and Ilya Shambat keeps those but rejects the words?
> > > > Google Translation:
> > > > "Madness - and prudence,
> > > > Shame and honor
> > > > Anything that makes you think
> > > > Everything is too much -"
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no reason to use a hyphen or a dash (or any other form of punctuation) here. "Disgrace and honor." "All that brings on thoughtfulness is spilling over in me."
> > > > >
> > > > > Your misuse of punctuation here is so incompetent as to render the entire "translation" abominable.
> > > > The translation doesn't need any excuse to be bad. It just is.
> > > > >
> > > > > > All the penal passions
> > > >
> > > > We contacted Joey Stout about that. He says he is never lonely and always feels beautiful and desired.
> > > >
> > > > Google Translation:
> > > > "In my. - All hard labor passions
> > > > Twisted into one! —
> > > > So in my hair - all suits
> > > > Waging war!"
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole.
> > > > Jordy's Uncle would probably be excited to go see a movie called "Penal Passions."
> > > Especially if young boys like his nephew and Joey Stout were starring in it.
> > Ducky is trying to get permission to film at the prison.
> Sounds good. And once they get Jordy's Pervy Uncle on the "set," they can "accidentally" keep him locked up there.
The Feds are planning a ruse based on the "Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison" album. That will attract the Shitkickerville members, and they will all be in for a long session.

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Subject: Re: Insanity - and good reason
From: michaelm...@gmail.com (Michael Pendragon)
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 by: Michael Pendragon - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:36 UTC

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:43:16 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 7:31:50 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:27:42 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:20:23 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:05:09 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:31:21 AM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:02:41 PM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > > > > > > Insanity - and good reason,
> > > > > > > Disgrace - and honor,
> > > > > > > All, that brings on thoughtfulness,
> > > > > > > Is spilling over -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In me. -
> > > > > > Ignoring the fact that you've used hyphens instead of em dashes.... again... one feels compelled to ask you "To what end?"
> > > > > Because they were there in the Russian version and Ilya Shambat keeps those but rejects the words?
> > > > > Google Translation:
> > > > > "Madness - and prudence,
> > > > > Shame and honor
> > > > > Anything that makes you think
> > > > > Everything is too much -"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is no reason to use a hyphen or a dash (or any other form of punctuation) here. "Disgrace and honor." "All that brings on thoughtfulness is spilling over in me."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your misuse of punctuation here is so incompetent as to render the entire "translation" abominable.
> > > > > The translation doesn't need any excuse to be bad. It just is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > All the penal passions
> > > > >
> > > > > We contacted Joey Stout about that. He says he is never lonely and always feels beautiful and desired.
> > > > >
> > > > > Google Translation:
> > > > > "In my. - All hard labor passions
> > > > > Twisted into one! —
> > > > > So in my hair - all suits
> > > > > Waging war!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole.
> > > > > Jordy's Uncle would probably be excited to go see a movie called "Penal Passions."
> > > > Especially if young boys like his nephew and Joey Stout were starring in it.
> > > Ducky is trying to get permission to film at the prison.
> > Sounds good. And once they get Jordy's Pervy Uncle on the "set," they can "accidentally" keep him locked up there.
> The Feds are planning a ruse based on the "Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison" album. That will attract the Shitkickerville members, and they will all be in for a long session.
>
Especially if the promise the Donkey a turn at the mic.

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 by: Coco DeSockmonkey - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:56 UTC

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:43:16 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 7:31:50 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:27:42 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:20:23 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:05:09 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:31:21 AM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:02:41 PM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > > > > > > > Insanity - and good reason,
> > > > > > > > Disgrace - and honor,
> > > > > > > > All, that brings on thoughtfulness,
> > > > > > > > Is spilling over -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In me. -
> > > > > > > Ignoring the fact that you've used hyphens instead of em dashes... again... one feels compelled to ask you "To what end?"
> > > > > > Because they were there in the Russian version and Ilya Shambat keeps those but rejects the words?
> > > > > > Google Translation:
> > > > > > "Madness - and prudence,
> > > > > > Shame and honor
> > > > > > Anything that makes you think
> > > > > > Everything is too much -"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is no reason to use a hyphen or a dash (or any other form of punctuation) here. "Disgrace and honor." "All that brings on thoughtfulness is spilling over in me."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your misuse of punctuation here is so incompetent as to render the entire "translation" abominable.
> > > > > > The translation doesn't need any excuse to be bad. It just is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All the penal passions
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We contacted Joey Stout about that. He says he is never lonely and always feels beautiful and desired.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Google Translation:
> > > > > > "In my. - All hard labor passions
> > > > > > Twisted into one! —
> > > > > > So in my hair - all suits
> > > > > > Waging war!"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole.
> > > > > > Jordy's Uncle would probably be excited to go see a movie called "Penal Passions."
> > > > > Especially if young boys like his nephew and Joey Stout were starring in it.
> > > > Ducky is trying to get permission to film at the prison.
> > > Sounds good. And once they get Jordy's Pervy Uncle on the "set," they can "accidentally" keep him locked up there.
> > The Feds are planning a ruse based on the "Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison" album. That will attract the Shitkickerville members, and they will all be in for a long session.
> >
> Especially if the promise the Donkey a turn at the mic.
PING! DONKEY!
Pendragon made a typo!!!

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