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 by: NancyGene - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 21:59 UTC

We do not know why George Dance decided that posting and blogging the song version of George Wither’s poem rather than the original poem would be suitable for a poetry group. However:

At https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/4zB6KA-ybxk/m/GPdSkfBpCAAJ (“PPB: I Loved a Lass / George Wither”), the poem should be titled “A Love Song” or “A Love Sonnet.”

George Dance’s version again changes spellings of words in the poem.. Whether he did it or previous publishers did, the spelling of the words is not what George Wither wrote. We have to assume that Wither used 17th century spelling rather than 21st century spelling.

The poem is included in “Harper’s New Monthly Magazine, June to November,” (1887), pp. 737-738.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Harper_s_New_Monthly_Magazine/KtlIAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22I+lov%E2%80%99d+a+lasse,+a+faire+one,++As+faire+as+e%E2%80%99er+was+seene%3B++She+was,+indeed,+a+rare+one,++Another+Sheba+queen%3B%7B++But,+foole,+as+then+I+was,++I+thought+she+lov%E2%80%99d+me+too%3B++But,+now,+alasse!+sh%E2%80%99as+left+me,++Falero,+lero,+loo.%22&pg=PA737&printsec=frontcover The spelling is circa the 1600s.

It is also in: “OLD SONGS WITH DRAWINGS BY EDWIN A · ABBEY & ALFRED PARSONS
NEW YORK · HARPER & BROTHERS · PRINTERS & PUBLISHERS · FRANKLIN SQUARE · M DCCC LXXXIX
{iv}
COPYRIGHT, 1888, BY HARPER & BROTHERS.
All Rights Reserved.”
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/67167/pg67167-images.html
The spelling from the 1600s is retained.

It is speculated in “Ancient Songs and Ballads: From the Reign of King Henry the Second ..., Volume 2”
By Joseph Ritson (pp. 233-237) that the poem was written in 1606, when George Wither was 18.
https://books.google.com/books?id=i64CW4ufqQsC&pg=PA234&lpg=PA234&dq=But,+foole,+as+then+I+was,%0D%0AI+thought+she+lov%E2%80%99d+me+too;%0D%0ABut,+now,+alasse!+sh%E2%80%99as+left+me,%0D%0AFalero,+lero,+loo.&source=bl&ots=xb2aMkDPYI&sig=ACfU3U1PYEFETRUOrluYZMQhYfRGFT0gog&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji_6_n26-AAxXkmGoFHWP_DewQ6AF6BAgFEAM#v=onepage&q=But%2C%20foole%2C%20as%20then%20I%20was%2C%20%20I%20thought%20she%20lov%E2%80%99d%20me%20too%3B%20%20But%2C%20now%2C%20alasse!%20sh%E2%80%99as%20left%20me%2C%20%20Falero%2C%20lero%2C%20loo.&f=false

It is insulting to a poetry group to modernize a historic poem. We would much rather see the original, not a sanitized and spelling-corrected version.. Below is the poem as it appears in the “Harpers” magazine and in “Old Songs with Drawings.”

I lov’d a lasse, a faire one,
As faire as e’er was seene;
She was, indeed, a rare one,
Another Sheba queen;{
But, foole, as then I was,
I thought she lov’d me too;
But, now, alasse! sh’as left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

Her haire, like gold, did glister;
Each eye was like a starre;
She did surpasse her sister,
Which past all others farre:

She would me hony call:
She’d, oh, she’d kisse me too!
But, now, alasse! sh’as left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

In summer-time, to Medley
My love and I would goe—
The boatmen there stood readie
My love and I to rowe;
For creame there would we call,
For cakes, and for prunes too;
But, now, alasse! sh’as left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

Many a merry meeting
My love and I have had:
She was my onely sweeting;
She made my heart full glad:
The teares stood in her eyes,
Like to the morning-dew;
But, now, alasse! sh’as left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

And as abroad we walked,
As lovers’ fashion is,
Oft, as we sweetly talked,
The sun would steale a kisse;
The winde upon her lips
Likewise most sweetly blew;
But, now, alasse! sh’as left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

Her cheekes were like the cherrie,
Her skin as white as snow;
When she was blyth and merrie,
She angel-like did show;
Her wast exceeding small,
The fives did fit her shoo;
But, now, alasse! sh’as left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

In summer-time or winter
She had her heart’s desire;
I stil did scorne to stint her
From sugar, sacke, or fire:
The world went round about;
No cares we ever knew;
But, now, alasse! sh’as left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

As we walked home together,
At midnight, through the towne,
To keepe away the weather,
O’re her I’d cast my gowne;
No colde my love should feele,
Whate’er the heavens could doe;
But, now, alasse! sh’as left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

Like doves we would be billing,
And clip and kisse so fast,
Yet she would be unwilling
That I should kisse the last:
They’re Judas kisses now,
Since that they prov’d untrue;
For, now, alasse! sh’as left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

To maidens’ vowes and swearing
Henceforth no credit give;
You may give them the hearing,
But never them beleeve:
They are as false as faire,
Unconstant, fraile, untrue;
For mine, alasse! hath left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

’Twas I that paid for all things,
’Twas others dranke the wine;
I cannot now recall things,
Live but a foole to pine:
’Twas I that beat the bush,
The bird to others flew;
For she, alasse! hath left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

If ever that Dame Nature,
For this false lover’s sake,
Another pleasing creature
Like unto her would make,
Let her remember this,
To make the other true;
For this, alasse! hath left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

No riches, now, can raise me,
No want make me despaire,
No miserie amaze me,
Nor yet for want I care:
I have lost a world it selfe.
My earthly heaven, adue!
Since she, alasse! hath left me,
Falero, lero, loo.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 22:40 UTC

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 5:59:23 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> We do not know why George Dance decided that posting and blogging the song version of George Wither’s poem rather than the original poem would be suitable for a poetry group. However:
>
> At https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/4zB6KA-ybxk/m/GPdSkfBpCAAJ (“PPB: I Loved a Lass / George Wither”), the poem should be titled “A Love Song” or “A Love Sonnet..”
>
> George Dance’s version again changes spellings of words in the poem. Whether he did it or previous publishers did, the spelling of the words is not what George Wither wrote. We have to assume that Wither used 17th century spelling rather than 21st century spelling.
>

It's becoming clear that George uses the first version of a poem that turns up in a google search. Perhaps he thinks that if it's "published" (on the internet), it must be correct? Or maybe he finds researching it a bother and just wants to get back to his bong.

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On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:40:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 5:59:23 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > We do not know why George Dance decided that posting and blogging the song version of George Wither’s poem rather than the original poem would be suitable for a poetry group. However:
> >
> > At https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/4zB6KA-ybxk/m/GPdSkfBpCAAJ (“PPB: I Loved a Lass / George Wither”), the poem should be titled “A Love Song” or “A Love Sonnet.”
> >
> > George Dance’s version again changes spellings of words in the poem. Whether he did it or previous publishers did, the spelling of the words is not what George Wither wrote. We have to assume that Wither used 17th century spelling rather than 21st century spelling.
> >
> It's becoming clear that George uses the first version of a poem that turns up in a google search. Perhaps he thinks that if it's "published" (on the internet), it must be correct? Or maybe he finds researching it a bother and just wants to get back to his bong.
>

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 by: NancyGene - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:29 UTC

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 5:59:23 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > We do not know why George Dance decided that posting and blogging the song version of George Wither’s poem rather than the original poem would be suitable for a poetry group. However:
> >
> > At https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/4zB6KA-ybxk/m/GPdSkfBpCAAJ (“PPB: I Loved a Lass / George Wither”), the poem should be titled “A Love Song” or “A Love Sonnet.”
> >
> > George Dance’s version again changes spellings of words in the poem. Whether he did it or previous publishers did, the spelling of the words is not what George Wither wrote. We have to assume that Wither used 17th century spelling rather than 21st century spelling.
> >
> It's becoming clear that George uses the first version of a poem that turns up in a google search. Perhaps he thinks that if it's "published" (on the internet), it must be correct? Or maybe he finds researching it a bother and just wants to get back to his bong.
Bong! Bong! Yes, George Dance doesn't seem to invest much into the poems he uses--he doesn't even seem to read them, other than to isolate the single word in the poem that goes with the month. He seems to resent us for our research--which indicates to us that he is not capable of/doesn't know how to research. It is a big gap in the knowledge of a Mensa Man.

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 by: NancyGene - Sat, 29 Jul 2023 12:44 UTC

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:29:43 PM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 5:59:23 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > We do not know why George Dance decided that posting and blogging the song version of George Wither’s poem rather than the original poem would be suitable for a poetry group. However:
> > >
> > > At https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/4zB6KA-ybxk/m/GPdSkfBpCAAJ (“PPB: I Loved a Lass / George Wither”), the poem should be titled “A Love Song” or “A Love Sonnet.”
> > >
> > > George Dance’s version again changes spellings of words in the poem. Whether he did it or previous publishers did, the spelling of the words is not what George Wither wrote. We have to assume that Wither used 17th century spelling rather than 21st century spelling.
> > >
> > It's becoming clear that George uses the first version of a poem that turns up in a google search. Perhaps he thinks that if it's "published" (on the internet), it must be correct? Or maybe he finds researching it a bother and just wants to get back to his bong.
> Bong! Bong! Yes, George Dance doesn't seem to invest much into the poems he uses--he doesn't even seem to read them, other than to isolate the single word in the poem that goes with the month. He seems to resent us for our research--which indicates to us that he is not capable of/doesn't know how to research. It is a big gap in the knowledge of a Mensa Man.

George Dance seems to be an inaccurate typist also--who doesn't proofread after typing. He should invest in software which would enable him to copy and paste directly from pdf documents, instead of brutally retyping the text..

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Subject: Re: George Dance bowdlerizes George Wither's poem "A Love Song" / "A
Love Sonnet"
From: nancygen...@gmail.com (NancyGene)
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 by: NancyGene - Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:52 UTC

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 12:44:53 PM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:29:43 PM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 5:59:23 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > We do not know why George Dance decided that posting and blogging the song version of George Wither’s poem rather than the original poem would be suitable for a poetry group. However:
> > > >
> > > > At https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/4zB6KA-ybxk/m/GPdSkfBpCAAJ (“PPB: I Loved a Lass / George Wither”), the poem should be titled “A Love Song” or “A Love Sonnet.”
> > > >
> > > > George Dance’s version again changes spellings of words in the poem. Whether he did it or previous publishers did, the spelling of the words is not what George Wither wrote. We have to assume that Wither used 17th century spelling rather than 21st century spelling.
> > > >
> > > It's becoming clear that George uses the first version of a poem that turns up in a google search. Perhaps he thinks that if it's "published" (on the internet), it must be correct? Or maybe he finds researching it a bother and just wants to get back to his bong.
> > Bong! Bong! Yes, George Dance doesn't seem to invest much into the poems he uses--he doesn't even seem to read them, other than to isolate the single word in the poem that goes with the month. He seems to resent us for our research--which indicates to us that he is not capable of/doesn't know how to research. It is a big gap in the knowledge of a Mensa Man.
> George Dance seems to be an inaccurate typist also--who doesn't proofread after typing. He should invest in software which would enable him to copy and paste directly from pdf documents, instead of brutally retyping the text.

George Dance isn't very computer literate. Or literate.

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