On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:51:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 6:15:15 AM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > George Dance wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:53:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 9:12:55 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > >> > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:11:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:28:16 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > >> > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 3:16:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >
> > >> > > > > You have 1885 as the publication date and it should be (September 12) 1895.
> > >> > > > Thanks. It's been fixed on both of his poems.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > <snip>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Good to see that Nancy Gene is good for something here.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 🙂
> > >> > >
> > >> > > (Moved from the troll thread.)
> > >> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > >> > > > July, by Ellwood Roberts
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Month of sultry noons and nights!
> > >> > > > Fields are parched for want of rain;
> > >> > > > But thou hast thy own delights,
> > >> > > > Luscious fruits and golden grain.
> > >> > > > [...]
> > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts..html
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > #pennyspoems
> > >> > > ***
> > >> > Well, thanks for putting it in this thread. NastyGoon likes to whine that they don't get enough credit for their typo-pouncing, laming, so we should be sure to give them plenty when something useful results, which does happen now and then.
> > >> >
> > >> No one is "typo-pouncing," Plagiarist George.
> > >>
> > >> NancyGene pointed out some editorial errors on your part -- which you, as an editor, should be grateful for.
> >
> > > NastyGoon was credited for the one error they did find (which was in fact a typo), Lying Michael. It's right there in the backthread Will copied.. Why try to pretend that didn't happen?
> >
> > >> Assuming that you want PPB to be well edited, you should want to know that editors do *not* add commas to the titles of published books.
> >
> > > Michael, as I've shown you in the troll thread (where you began pontificating about what "editors" and "publishers" do, some even add colons. Here it is again, for anyone wanting to see the variety:
> > > https://www.google.ca/search?q=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&sxsrf=AB5stBhVr811YW8oPI9Z8LxAkMSpL7PbhQ%3A1689477707827&source=hp&ei=S2KzZOmGMK6nptQPpoyNmA0&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZLNwW-Ag0iJa8HCLyJWQr2Ss0Zjnta5M&ved=0ahUKEwip2IP1opKAAxWuk4kEHSZGA9MQ4dUDCAs&uact=5&oq=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IiRMeXJpY3Mgb2YgUXVha2VyaXNtLCBhbmQgb3RoZXIgcG9lbXMyBBAjGCdI32BQsxpYwV5wAXgAkAEAmAHNA6ABzCuqAQoxLjMwLjQuMC4xuAEDyAEA-AEBqAIKwgIHECMY6gIYJ8ICBxAuGOoCGCfCAgcQIxiKBRgnwgIIEC4YigUYkQLCAggQABiABBixA8ICERAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGMcBGNEDwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAggQLhiABBixA8ICCBAAGIoFGJECwgINEAAYgAQYFBiHAhixA8ICEBAAGIAEGBQYhwIYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICBRAAGIAEwgIEEAAYA8ICBxAAGIAEGArCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgILEAAYFhgeGPEEGArCAgYQABgWGB7CAggQABgWGB4YCg&sclient=gws-wiz
> >
> > > You're telling me what you'd do, and possibly what you did when you worked for a publishing firm (assuming you worked for one). I don't have the slightest interest in how you do it.
> >
> > > You would also want to know the correct publication date
> >
> > > As I already told NastyGoon in their troll thread, the correct date was already on PPP. I appreciated their telling me I'd made a typo in February (and c&p'd onto this poem), but I'm certainly not going to pretend that they
> >
> > >>, and that you should not decide to print half of a title (even when taking it as a subtitle) in lower case.
> >
> > > I see you didn't bother with the search results I gave you. Let me list the first page, so readers can see how "editors" and "publishers" actually print the title in question:
> >
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > Lyrics Of Quakerism: & Other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism and Other Poems
> > > Lyrics Of Quakerism And Other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism : & Other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism
> >
> > > Some capitalize the "And", some don't; some capitalize "Other Poems" and some don't; and one even omits it entirely. Those are all stylistic decisions, which don't prevent anyone from finding the book (as you were previously claiming in the troll thread).
> >
> > >> NancyGene catches similar technical and grammatical errors in the print version of "AYoS," and I consider myself extremely fortunate to have her help.
> >
> > > Well, then, since NG seems to be looking for another gig, you should probably stop taking them for granted, and try treating them better. I know you don't pay either of your AYOS "editors", but you really shouldn't make them pay for their own copies of the thing. And you really should stop misgendering NG.
> > What, no contributor's copies?
> They're sold at cost by amazon.

So, no contributor's copies provided, then.

George Dance wrote:
>
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> July, by Ellwood Roberts
>
> Month of sultry noons and nights!
> Fields are parched for want of rain;
> But thou hast thy own delights,
> Luscious fruits and golden grain.
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts.html
>
> #pennyspoems

Again, excellent choice, George.

George Dance wrote:
>
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> July, by Ellwood Roberts
>
> Month of sultry noons and nights!
> Fields are parched for want of rain;
> But thou hast thy own delights,
> Luscious fruits and golden grain.
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts.html
>
> #pennyspoems

Again, George, good selection.

🙂

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 12:10:36 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:53:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 9:12:55 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:11:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:28:16 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 3:16:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>
> > > > > > > You have 1885 as the publication date and it should be (September 12) 1895.
> > > > > > Thanks. It's been fixed on both of his poems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > > Good to see that Nancy Gene is good for something here.
> > > > >
> > > > > 🙂
> > > > >
> > > > > (Moved from the troll thread.)
> > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > > July, by Ellwood Roberts
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Month of sultry noons and nights!
> > > > > > Fields are parched for want of rain;
> > > > > > But thou hast thy own delights,
> > > > > > Luscious fruits and golden grain.
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > #pennyspoems
> > > > > ***
> > > > Well, thanks for putting it in this thread. NastyGoon likes to whine that they don't get enough credit for their typo-pouncing, laming, so we should be sure to give them plenty when something useful results, which does happen now and then.
> > > >
> > > No one is "typo-pouncing," Plagiarist George.
> > >
> > > NancyGene pointed out some editorial errors on your part -- which you, as an editor, should be grateful for.
> > NastyGoon was credited for the one error they did find (which was in fact a typo), Lying Michael. It's right there in the backthread Will copied. Why try to pretend that didn't happen?
> > > Assuming that you want PPB to be well edited, you should want to know that editors do *not* add commas to the titles of published books.
> > Michael, as I've shown you in the troll thread (where you began pontificating about what "editors" and "publishers" do, some even add colons. Here it is again, for anyone wanting to see the variety:
> > https://www.google.ca/search?q=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&sxsrf=AB5stBhVr811YW8oPI9Z8LxAkMSpL7PbhQ%3A1689477707827&source=hp&ei=S2KzZOmGMK6nptQPpoyNmA0&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZLNwW-Ag0iJa8HCLyJWQr2Ss0Zjnta5M&ved=0ahUKEwip2IP1opKAAxWuk4kEHSZGA9MQ4dUDCAs&uact=5&oq=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IiRMeXJpY3Mgb2YgUXVha2VyaXNtLCBhbmQgb3RoZXIgcG9lbXMyBBAjGCdI32BQsxpYwV5wAXgAkAEAmAHNA6ABzCuqAQoxLjMwLjQuMC4xuAEDyAEA-AEBqAIKwgIHECMY6gIYJ8ICBxAuGOoCGCfCAgcQIxiKBRgnwgIIEC4YigUYkQLCAggQABiABBixA8ICERAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGMcBGNEDwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAggQLhiABBixA8ICCBAAGIoFGJECwgINEAAYgAQYFBiHAhixA8ICEBAAGIAEGBQYhwIYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICBRAAGIAEwgIEEAAYA8ICBxAAGIAEGArCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgILEAAYFhgeGPEEGArCAgYQABgWGB7CAggQABgWGB4YCg&sclient=gws-wiz
> >
> > You're telling me what you'd do, and possibly what you did when you worked for a publishing firm (assuming you worked for one). I don't have the slightest interest in how you do it.
> > You would also want to know the correct publication date
> > As I already told NastyGoon in their troll thread, the correct date was already on PPP. I appreciated their telling me I'd made a typo in February (and c&p'd onto this poem), but I'm certainly not going to pretend that they
> > >, and that you should not decide to print half of a title (even when taking it as a subtitle) in lower case.
> > I see you didn't bother with the search results I gave you. Let me list the first page, so readers can see how "editors" and "publishers" actually print the title in question:
> >
> > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > Lyrics Of Quakerism: & Other Poems
> > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > Lyrics of Quakerism and Other Poems
> > Lyrics Of Quakerism And Other Poems
> > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > Lyrics of Quakerism : & Other Poems
> > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > Lyrics of Quakerism
> >
> > Some capitalize the "And", some don't; some capitalize "Other Poems" and some don't; and one even omits it entirely. Those are all stylistic decisions, which don't prevent anyone from finding the book (as you were previously claiming in the troll thread).
> > > NancyGene catches similar technical and grammatical errors in the print version of "AYoS," and I consider myself extremely fortunate to have her help.
> > Well, then, since NG seems to be looking for another gig, you should probably stop taking them for granted, and try treating them better. I know you don't pay either of your AYOS "editors", but you really shouldn't make them pay for their own copies of the thing. And you really should stop misgendering NG.
> > > Editors don't need to catch every error, or to not make technical mistakes. They do, however, need to be ready, willing, and able to correct those mistakes once they've been pointed out.
> > "...or not to make technical mistakes."
> >
> > As we both know, the one verified error in the title was corrected immediately, and the person who spotted it was thanked. So please stop trying to pretend otherwise; you're not fooling anyone.
> > > In the publishing business, the ms is checked by a proof reader, the author, and an assistant editor *before* receiving a final proof from the editor.
> > >
> > > When you haven't got a staff working for you, you need to accept the help that others are willing to provide.
> > Once again, NG's help (getting me to look up the correct date on a reliable source) was accepted and appreciated. Too bad they didn't quit while they were ahead.
> NEWSFLASH: Internet sites are not real publishing

In this age of ezines and the like many would disagree with you.

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:38:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:51:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 6:15:15 AM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > George Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:53:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 9:12:55 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > >> > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:11:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:28:16 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > >> > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 3:16:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > > > > You have 1885 as the publication date and it should be (September 12) 1895.
> > > >> > > > Thanks. It's been fixed on both of his poems.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > <snip>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Good to see that Nancy Gene is good for something here.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 🙂
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > (Moved from the troll thread.)
> > > >> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > >> > > > July, by Ellwood Roberts
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Month of sultry noons and nights!
> > > >> > > > Fields are parched for want of rain;
> > > >> > > > But thou hast thy own delights,
> > > >> > > > Luscious fruits and golden grain.
> > > >> > > > [...]
> > > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts.html
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > #pennyspoems
> > > >> > > ***
> > > >> > Well, thanks for putting it in this thread. NastyGoon likes to whine that they don't get enough credit for their typo-pouncing, laming, so we should be sure to give them plenty when something useful results, which does happen now and then.
> > > >> >
> > > >> No one is "typo-pouncing," Plagiarist George.
> > > >>
> > > >> NancyGene pointed out some editorial errors on your part -- which you, as an editor, should be grateful for.
> > >
> > > > NastyGoon was credited for the one error they did find (which was in fact a typo), Lying Michael. It's right there in the backthread Will copied. Why try to pretend that didn't happen?
> > >
> > > >> Assuming that you want PPB to be well edited, you should want to know that editors do *not* add commas to the titles of published books.
> > >
> > > > Michael, as I've shown you in the troll thread (where you began pontificating about what "editors" and "publishers" do, some even add colons. Here it is again, for anyone wanting to see the variety:
> > > > https://www.google.ca/search?q=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&sxsrf=AB5stBhVr811YW8oPI9Z8LxAkMSpL7PbhQ%3A1689477707827&source=hp&ei=S2KzZOmGMK6nptQPpoyNmA0&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZLNwW-Ag0iJa8HCLyJWQr2Ss0Zjnta5M&ved=0ahUKEwip2IP1opKAAxWuk4kEHSZGA9MQ4dUDCAs&uact=5&oq=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IiRMeXJpY3Mgb2YgUXVha2VyaXNtLCBhbmQgb3RoZXIgcG9lbXMyBBAjGCdI32BQsxpYwV5wAXgAkAEAmAHNA6ABzCuqAQoxLjMwLjQuMC4xuAEDyAEA-AEBqAIKwgIHECMY6gIYJ8ICBxAuGOoCGCfCAgcQIxiKBRgnwgIIEC4YigUYkQLCAggQABiABBixA8ICERAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGMcBGNEDwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAggQLhiABBixA8ICCBAAGIoFGJECwgINEAAYgAQYFBiHAhixA8ICEBAAGIAEGBQYhwIYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICBRAAGIAEwgIEEAAYA8ICBxAAGIAEGArCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgILEAAYFhgeGPEEGArCAgYQABgWGB7CAggQABgWGB4YCg&sclient=gws-wiz
> > >
> > > > You're telling me what you'd do, and possibly what you did when you worked for a publishing firm (assuming you worked for one). I don't have the slightest interest in how you do it.
> > >
> > > > You would also want to know the correct publication date
> > >
> > > > As I already told NastyGoon in their troll thread, the correct date was already on PPP. I appreciated their telling me I'd made a typo in February (and c&p'd onto this poem), but I'm certainly not going to pretend that they
> > >
> > > >>, and that you should not decide to print half of a title (even when taking it as a subtitle) in lower case.
> > >
> > > > I see you didn't bother with the search results I gave you. Let me list the first page, so readers can see how "editors" and "publishers" actually print the title in question:
> > >
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > > Lyrics Of Quakerism: & Other Poems
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and Other Poems
> > > > Lyrics Of Quakerism And Other Poems
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism : & Other Poems
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > > > Lyrics of Quakerism
> > >
> > > > Some capitalize the "And", some don't; some capitalize "Other Poems" and some don't; and one even omits it entirely. Those are all stylistic decisions, which don't prevent anyone from finding the book (as you were previously claiming in the troll thread).
> > >
> > > >> NancyGene catches similar technical and grammatical errors in the print version of "AYoS," and I consider myself extremely fortunate to have her help.
> > >
> > > > Well, then, since NG seems to be looking for another gig, you should probably stop taking them for granted, and try treating them better. I know you don't pay either of your AYOS "editors", but you really shouldn't make them pay for their own copies of the thing. And you really should stop misgendering NG.
> > > What, no contributor's copies?
> > They're sold at cost by amazon.

> How much is that?

About double what an author copy of the book would cost, since it includes Amazon's markup.

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:06:58 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:38:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:51:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 6:15:15 AM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > > George Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:53:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 9:12:55 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > >> > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:11:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:28:16 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > >> > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 3:16:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > You have 1885 as the publication date and it should be (September 12) 1895.
> > > > >> > > > Thanks. It's been fixed on both of his poems.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > <snip>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Good to see that Nancy Gene is good for something here.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > 🙂
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > (Moved from the troll thread.)
> > > > >> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > >> > > > July, by Ellwood Roberts
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Month of sultry noons and nights!
> > > > >> > > > Fields are parched for want of rain;
> > > > >> > > > But thou hast thy own delights,
> > > > >> > > > Luscious fruits and golden grain.
> > > > >> > > > [...]
> > > > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts.html
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > #pennyspoems
> > > > >> > > ***
> > > > >> > Well, thanks for putting it in this thread. NastyGoon likes to whine that they don't get enough credit for their typo-pouncing, laming, so we should be sure to give them plenty when something useful results, which does happen now and then.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> No one is "typo-pouncing," Plagiarist George.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> NancyGene pointed out some editorial errors on your part -- which you, as an editor, should be grateful for.
> > > >
> > > > > NastyGoon was credited for the one error they did find (which was in fact a typo), Lying Michael. It's right there in the backthread Will copied. Why try to pretend that didn't happen?
> > > >
> > > > >> Assuming that you want PPB to be well edited, you should want to know that editors do *not* add commas to the titles of published books.
> > > >
> > > > > Michael, as I've shown you in the troll thread (where you began pontificating about what "editors" and "publishers" do, some even add colons.. Here it is again, for anyone wanting to see the variety:
> > > > > https://www.google.ca/search?q=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&sxsrf=AB5stBhVr811YW8oPI9Z8LxAkMSpL7PbhQ%3A1689477707827&source=hp&ei=S2KzZOmGMK6nptQPpoyNmA0&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZLNwW-Ag0iJa8HCLyJWQr2Ss0Zjnta5M&ved=0ahUKEwip2IP1opKAAxWuk4kEHSZGA9MQ4dUDCAs&uact=5&oq=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IiRMeXJpY3Mgb2YgUXVha2VyaXNtLCBhbmQgb3RoZXIgcG9lbXMyBBAjGCdI32BQsxpYwV5wAXgAkAEAmAHNA6ABzCuqAQoxLjMwLjQuMC4xuAEDyAEA-AEBqAIKwgIHECMY6gIYJ8ICBxAuGOoCGCfCAgcQIxiKBRgnwgIIEC4YigUYkQLCAggQABiABBixA8ICERAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGMcBGNEDwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAggQLhiABBixA8ICCBAAGIoFGJECwgINEAAYgAQYFBiHAhixA8ICEBAAGIAEGBQYhwIYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICBRAAGIAEwgIEEAAYA8ICBxAAGIAEGArCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgILEAAYFhgeGPEEGArCAgYQABgWGB7CAggQABgWGB4YCg&sclient=gws-wiz
> > > >
> > > > > You're telling me what you'd do, and possibly what you did when you worked for a publishing firm (assuming you worked for one). I don't have the slightest interest in how you do it.
> > > >
> > > > > You would also want to know the correct publication date
> > > >
> > > > > As I already told NastyGoon in their troll thread, the correct date was already on PPP. I appreciated their telling me I'd made a typo in February (and c&p'd onto this poem), but I'm certainly not going to pretend that they
> > > >
> > > > >>, and that you should not decide to print half of a title (even when taking it as a subtitle) in lower case.
> > > >
> > > > > I see you didn't bother with the search results I gave you. Let me list the first page, so readers can see how "editors" and "publishers" actually print the title in question:
> > > >
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics Of Quakerism: & Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics Of Quakerism And Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism : & Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism
> > > >
> > > > > Some capitalize the "And", some don't; some capitalize "Other Poems" and some don't; and one even omits it entirely. Those are all stylistic decisions, which don't prevent anyone from finding the book (as you were previously claiming in the troll thread).
> > > >
> > > > >> NancyGene catches similar technical and grammatical errors in the print version of "AYoS," and I consider myself extremely fortunate to have her help.
> > > >
> > > > > Well, then, since NG seems to be looking for another gig, you should probably stop taking them for granted, and try treating them better. I know you don't pay either of your AYOS "editors", but you really shouldn't make them pay for their own copies of the thing. And you really should stop misgendering NG.
> > > > What, no contributor's copies?
> > > They're sold at cost by amazon.
>
> > How much is that?
> About double what an author copy of the book would cost, since it includes Amazon's markup.

Sounds a bit like a vanity press job, actually.

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 1:23:26 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> July, by Ellwood Roberts
>
> Month of sultry noons and nights!
> Fields are parched for want of rain;
> But thou hast thy own delights,
> Luscious fruits and golden grain.
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts.html
>
> #pennyspoems

Again... splendid poem, G.D.

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:06:58 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:38:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:51:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 6:15:15 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > George Dance wrote:
>
> > > > >> > > > > You have 1885 as the publication date and it should be (September 12) 1895.
> > > > >> > > > Thanks. It's been fixed on both of his poems.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > <snip>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Good to see that Nancy Gene is good for something here.
>
> > > > >> > > (Moved from the troll thread.)
> > > > >> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > >> > > > July, by Ellwood Roberts
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Month of sultry noons and nights!
> > > > >> > > > Fields are parched for want of rain;
> > > > >> > > > But thou hast thy own delights,
> > > > >> > > > Luscious fruits and golden grain.
> > > > >> > > > [...]
> > > > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts.html
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > #pennyspoems
> > > > >> > > ***
> > > > >> > Well, thanks for putting it in this thread. NastyGoon likes to whine that they don't get enough credit for their typo-pouncing, laming, so we should be sure to give them plenty when something useful results, which does happen now and then.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> No one is "typo-pouncing," Plagiarist George.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> NancyGene pointed out some editorial errors on your part -- which you, as an editor, should be grateful for.
> > > >
> > > > > NastyGoon was credited for the one error they did find (which was in fact a typo), Lying Michael. It's right there in the backthread Will copied. Why try to pretend that didn't happen?
> > > >
> > > > >> Assuming that you want PPB to be well edited, you should want to know that editors do *not* add commas to the titles of published books.
> > > >
> > > > > Michael, as I've shown you in the troll thread (where you began pontificating about what "editors" and "publishers" do, some even add colons.. Here it is again, for anyone wanting to see the variety:
> > > > > https://www.google.ca/search?q=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&sxsrf=AB5stBhVr811YW8oPI9Z8LxAkMSpL7PbhQ%3A1689477707827&source=hp&ei=S2KzZOmGMK6nptQPpoyNmA0&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZLNwW-Ag0iJa8HCLyJWQr2Ss0Zjnta5M&ved=0ahUKEwip2IP1opKAAxWuk4kEHSZGA9MQ4dUDCAs&uact=5&oq=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IiRMeXJpY3Mgb2YgUXVha2VyaXNtLCBhbmQgb3RoZXIgcG9lbXMyBBAjGCdI32BQsxpYwV5wAXgAkAEAmAHNA6ABzCuqAQoxLjMwLjQuMC4xuAEDyAEA-AEBqAIKwgIHECMY6gIYJ8ICBxAuGOoCGCfCAgcQIxiKBRgnwgIIEC4YigUYkQLCAggQABiABBixA8ICERAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGMcBGNEDwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAggQLhiABBixA8ICCBAAGIoFGJECwgINEAAYgAQYFBiHAhixA8ICEBAAGIAEGBQYhwIYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICBRAAGIAEwgIEEAAYA8ICBxAAGIAEGArCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgILEAAYFhgeGPEEGArCAgYQABgWGB7CAggQABgWGB4YCg&sclient=gws-wiz
> > > >
> > > > > You're telling me what you'd do, and possibly what you did when you worked for a publishing firm (assuming you worked for one). I don't have the slightest interest in how you do it.
> > > >
> > > > > You would also want to know the correct publication date
> > > >
> > > > > As I already told NastyGoon in their troll thread, the correct date was already on PPP. I appreciated their telling me I'd made a typo in February (and c&p'd onto this poem), but I'm certainly not going to pretend that they
> > > >
> > > > >>, and that you should not decide to print half of a title (even when taking it as a subtitle) in lower case.
> > > >
> > > > > I see you didn't bother with the search results I gave you. Let me list the first page, so readers can see how "editors" and "publishers" actually print the title in question:
> > > >
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics Of Quakerism: & Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics Of Quakerism And Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism : & Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism
> > > >
> > > > > Some capitalize the "And", some don't; some capitalize "Other Poems" and some don't; and one even omits it entirely. Those are all stylistic decisions, which don't prevent anyone from finding the book (as you were previously claiming in the troll thread).
> > > >
> > > > >> NancyGene catches similar technical and grammatical errors in the print version of "AYoS," and I consider myself extremely fortunate to have her help.
> > > >
> > > > > Well, then, since NG seems to be looking for another gig, you should probably stop taking them for granted, and try treating them better. I know you don't pay either of your AYOS "editors", but you really shouldn't make them pay for their own copies of the thing. And you really should stop misgendering NG.
> > > > What, no contributor's copies?
> > > They're sold at cost by amazon.
>
> > How much is that?
> About double what an author copy of the book would cost, since it includes Amazon's markup.

So, in other words, the poets who contributed don't even receive a contributor's copy of the book.

And so it goes.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 7:29:39 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:49:43 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:41:13 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 11:29:50 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 8:59:47 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:21:44 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:46:18 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:46:21 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 8:28:16 PM UTC, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 3:16:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > You have 1885 as the publication date and it should be (September 12) 1895. There is also no comma after "Quakerism" in the title. If you are going to be a source for information, you really should try to be accurate.
> > > > > > > > > Thanks. It's been fixed on both of his poems.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Great, but you didn't fix the (wrong) comma that you inserted into the book's title.
> > > > > > > Sounds like you're getting cocky. You should realize I didn't take your word for the date; I checked it against the PPP article. Publication date is a matter of fact, and I'm always happy to correct those when I have a reliable sourse (like PPP).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > OTOH, how a title should appear in another work is not a matter of fact, but a style decision. The title on the front page of the book is "LYRICS OF QUAKERISM / AND / OTHER POEMS". Both PPP and PPB use a comma, and give the subtitle ("and other poems") in lower case.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Since you're not publishing the poem, but reprinting it from a book, it is imperative that you list the book's title correctly, as it serves to identify your source. The book's correct title is "LYRICS OF QUAKERISM and OTHER POEMS."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using ALL CAPS is a stylistic call, however, 1) regular rules regarding capital letters in titles apply ("Lyrics of Quakerism and Other Poems"), and 2) regular rules of punctuation also apply (no comma).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, when copying a book's title, unless there is a blatant punctuation error, the punctuation used in the original should be followed (again, no comma).
> > > > >
> > > > > > I was under the impression that Penny's Plagiarisms was partly intended as a means of bringing forgotten, Victorian era Canadian poets to light, and correct attribution would again be of the utmost importance. Readers and scholars would want to be able to a) locate the source material, and/or b) list it correctly in a footnote or bibliography.
> > > > > Michael, I realize that you're just trying to support your "colleague" again, but your story that the comma prevents anyone from finding the book is just the usual monkeyshit. Here, let's prove that; let's do a search for "Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems":
> > > > > https://www.google.ca/search?q=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&sxsrf=AB5stBh6QbasKun18DuuKMnLET_IhyuJug%3A1689468994584&ei=QkCzZOqjI5uoptQP-7ybuA8&ved=0ahUKEwjqzJ-6gpKAAxUblIkEHXveBvcQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiJEx5cmljcyBvZiBRdWFrZXJpc20sIGFuZCBvdGhlciBwb2VtczIEECMYJ0jaSVD-DVjGPnAAeACQAQCYAfcIoAGtEKoBCzEuMi41LTEuMC4xuAEDyAEA-AEBwgIHECMYsAMYJ8ICBxAjGLACGCfiAwQYASBBiAYBkAYB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
> > > > >
> > > > > Notice how every source of the book comes up, regardless of how the publisher or site chose to capitalize or punctuate any of it. Now, please cut the crap.
> > > > Yes, let's cut the crap.
> > > >
> > > > I copy pasted the title/info from the first post in this thread, and this is the first result that I found: an image of the book's cover:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Lyrics_of_Quakerism_and_Other_Poems/wsgBAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA1&printsec=frontcover
> > > >
> > > > This is a photograph of the 1895 first edition, and in fact, the entire book can be viewed page by page by clicking the arrows.
> > > <yawn> I have a copy of that edition linked in the PPP article on Roberts:
> > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433066571716&view=1up&seq=13
> > > > That is the one that I was going by, and I've no doubt that NancyGene was going by it as well.
> > >
> And once again (since you ignored it the first time), it's identical to the one I used when writing my bibliography. So what is your point?
> > > > As per your claim that I'd said "the comma prevents anyone from finding the book," it is blatantly false. It's yet another of your tiresome "straw man" arguments, wherein you rephrase someone else's statement just enough to subtly change its meaning. Here is what I actually wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "I was under the impression that Penny's Plagiarisms was partly intended as a means of bringing forgotten, Victorian era Canadian poets to light, and correct attribution would again be of the utmost importance. Readers and scholars would want to be able to a) locate the source material, and/or b) list it correctly in a
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > footnote or bibliography."
> > >
> > > Note what I underlined. You were trying to tell me that by using a comma (and, in fairness, the lower case on "and other poems") I was somehow keeping "Readers and scholars" from locating the book.
> > >
> > That is not true, Plagiarist George.
> Really, Lying Michael? Let's read it again.
> >
> > I said that "I was under the impression that Penny's Plagiarisms was partly intended as a means of bringing forgotten, Victorian era Canadian poets to light, and correct attribution would again be of the utmost importance.. Readers and scholars would want to be able to a) locate the source material, and/or b) list it correctly in a footnote or bibliography."
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> - and now you've repeated it, Lying Michael. So, once again, I'll ask you: why do you think that anyone would be unable to do your (a) ("locate the source material") because of the comma?
> > Listing a title incorrectly is not particularly helpful for a reader who is attempting to locate a book; and your inaccurate information could easily get copied into a bibliography.
> Anyone reading the PPP bibliography can simply look the same cover image you were bragging about your Bandar-Log colleague having found, and format the information from that according to their own style conventions, the same as I did. If you're worried about them copying mine, you and your "colleague" are welcome to set up your own poetry encyclopedia, copy all the PPP articles (they're all licensed for free), and reformat the bibliographies your way. Or, if you'd rather just whine about the ones on PPP, go ahead; it really doesn't matter to me.
> > But what is the point of continuing with your straw man? You've been called on it. What more is there to say?
> Well, since you want to pretend you didn't say that, we can move on to the other part of your claim. Assuming that the comma does not stop anyone from locating the source material, how does it stop them from formatting the info "correctly" according to their own convention?
> > Again, one should think that an editor would want to list his sources correctly. Are you saying that you don't care whether your sources are listed so?
> I certainly don't care what you call "correct." As I told you, the standard of "correctness" on PPP (and PPB) is accurate information -- accurate texts and date, etc. Conformity to the house style is desirable, and I'll edit other people's articles accordingly, but that's a matter of style, not of "correctness." Understand yet?
> > > > Obviously printing the *correct* title of a book facilitates a reader's ability to locate it. Printing it incorrectly may not stop them from locating it, but having knowledge of the correct title is certainly not a hindrance.
> > > As I showed you by giving you the link, using the title the way it appears on the wiki would not "hinder" anyone in the slightest from finding and reading the book. But I'd hoped you'd clicked through and read what I linked as well. Since you don't seem to have, I'll paste that in. Here's how the book is being referred to by editors and publishers:
> > >
> > I didn't say that it was a hindrance, Plagiarist George. You really need to learn how to read.
> So now you're conceding that it's *not* a hindrance, Lying Michael? Either it is or it isn't, you know.
> > I said that listing it correctly was *not* a hindrance.
> So then neither would be a "hindrance".
> > When one is seeking an original source, having the correct information is more helpful than having only partially correct information. You do agree with that, don't you?
> If you mean "accurate" information, then yes. But I think you're equivocating: using "correct" to mean both being "accurate" and matching your style preferences.
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > Lyrics Of Quakerism: & Other Poems
> > > Lyrics Of Quakerism And Other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism : & Other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > Lyrics of Quakerism
> > >
> > > Those are stylistic decisions, and it is indeed monkeyshit for you to claim they're all incorrect.
> > No, Plagiarist George. Those are examples of ignorance and/or sloppy editing.
> So take it up with those publishers, Lying Michael.
> > One does not capitalize "And" but leave "other" in lowercase. Are you really as stupid as you make yourself out to be?
> Now, Lying Michael, I just told you that I didn't write those examples. I'd as if you were really as dishonest as that, but of course we know the answer already: Yes, you are. For you any lie will do, if it gets the Bander-Log a "win."
> > For the correct "style," one goes to the original manuscript (as NancyGene and I have done). The above are examples of misinformation.
> Lying Michael: I'm sure that all of them looked at the same title page that you and NastyGoon looked at. Please stop trying to pretend that you two were the first
> > > > More importantly, my actual statement also says that having the correct title is important for listing a book in a bibliography. Are you going to try to dismiss that as "monkeyshit" as well?
> > > What I'd dismiss as "monkeyshit" is your calling all the above "incorrect" titles. I could probably give you a list with just as much variations from bibliographies. I'm not going to, since I'm already spending too much time on your monkeyshines, but I would like you to be aware of the fact that punctuation and capitalization is not uniform across the internet or (as I know, because I use WorldCat in writing mine) across all libraries.
> > >
> > Again, the internet is not a scholarly source. The internet contains various posts/blogs/sites run by ignoramuses, illiterates, morons, and other denizens of "Shadowville."
> Really, Lying Michael? The "entire" internet is run by "ignoramuses" (sic), "illiterates", and "morons"? Tell me: do the "ignoramuses" (sic) or the "illiterates" run WorldCat? Do the "illiterates" or the "morons" run Google Books (where NastyGoon found your copy of the book)?
> > The correct title appears on the cover page of the first edition of the book. Any variations on that title are wrong.
> Once again, what appears on the title page is:
>
> LYRICS OF QUAKERISM
>
> AND
>
> OTHER POEMS
>
> [all lines centered on page].
>
> Obviously I am not going to format a bibliography like that.
> > > > I have worked, professionally, as an assistant editor with a major Manhattan-based publishing house (Wolters-Kluwer). I also attended several graduate college courses (at both CUNY and NYU) in editing, proofreading, and book production while working there, and am trying to share some of the knowledge and experience I gained with you. I have proofread dozens of bibliographies, and am telling you that one does not insert commas into a book title, or set a supposed "subtitle" in lower case.
> > > I have created thousands of bibliographies on PPP, including those for articles from Wikipedia etc., and in the process have read at least five times as many. In the decade I've been doing that, I've noticed a wide variety in stylistic conventions -- are you aware, for example, that some places capitalize *only* the initial letter of a book's title? -- and chosen the ones I prefer.
> > >
> > It isn't a matter of preference, Plagiarist George; it's a matter of what is correct.
> Once again, Lying Michael, you are equivocating between (and possibly confusing) two different meanings of "correct"
>
> correct / 2 of 2 / adjective
> 1: conforming to an approved or conventional standard
> correct behavior
> 2: conforming to or agreeing with fact, logic, or known truth
> a correct response
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/correct
>
> As the cliche goes: Words matter; learn what they mean and how to use them correctly.
> > Here is what William Strunk wrote in "The Elements of Style":
> >
> > Titles. For the titles of literary works, scholarly usage prefers italics with capitalized initials. The usage of editors and publishers varies, some using italics with capitalized initials, others using Roman with capitalized initials and with or without quotation marks. Use italics (indicated in manuscript by underscoring), except in writing for a periodical that follows a different practice. Omit initial A or The from titles when you place the possessive before them.
> >
> > The Iliad; the Odyssey; As You Like It; To a Skylark; The Newcomes; A Tale of Two Cities; Dickens's Tale of Two Cities.
> >
> > [END QUOTE]
> >
> > https://www.gutenberg.org/files/37134/37134-h/37134-h.htm
> LOL! Now you're quoting Strunk. Yet your colleague broke Strunk's #1 style rule right in the subject header; and since you jumped into the thread to do backup trolling for them, you haven't even noticed.
>
> My argument isn't with Strunk. It's with two anonymous trolls, one who hasn't read Strunk's, and one who read him decades ago and has forgotten most of what he read.
>
> <monkeyshitsnip>

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:23:25 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 1:23:26 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> >
> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > July, by Ellwood Roberts
> >
> > Month of sultry noons and nights!
> > Fields are parched for want of rain;
> > But thou hast thy own delights,
> > Luscious fruits and golden grain.
> > [...]
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts.html
> >
> > #pennyspoems
> Again... splendid poem, G.D.

Thanks for putting some attention back on the poem, Zod.

George Dance wrote:

> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:23:25 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 1:23:26 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> >
>> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> > July, by Ellwood Roberts
>> >
>> > Month of sultry noons and nights!
>> > Fields are parched for want of rain;
>> > But thou hast thy own delights,
>> > Luscious fruits and golden grain.
>> > [...]
>> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts.html
>> >
>> > #pennyspoems
>> Again... splendid poem, G.D.

> Thanks for putting some attention back on the poem, Zod.

Agreed and seconded.

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:06:58 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:38:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:51:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 6:15:15 AM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > > George Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:53:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 9:12:55 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > >> > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:11:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:28:16 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > >> > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 3:16:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > You have 1885 as the publication date and it should be (September 12) 1895.
> > > > >> > > > Thanks. It's been fixed on both of his poems.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > <snip>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Good to see that Nancy Gene is good for something here.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > 🙂
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > (Moved from the troll thread.)
> > > > >> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > >> > > > July, by Ellwood Roberts
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Month of sultry noons and nights!
> > > > >> > > > Fields are parched for want of rain;
> > > > >> > > > But thou hast thy own delights,
> > > > >> > > > Luscious fruits and golden grain.
> > > > >> > > > [...]
> > > > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts.html
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > #pennyspoems
> > > > >> > > ***
> > > > >> > Well, thanks for putting it in this thread. NastyGoon likes to whine that they don't get enough credit for their typo-pouncing, laming, so we should be sure to give them plenty when something useful results, which does happen now and then.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> No one is "typo-pouncing," Plagiarist George.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> NancyGene pointed out some editorial errors on your part -- which you, as an editor, should be grateful for.
> > > >
> > > > > NastyGoon was credited for the one error they did find (which was in fact a typo), Lying Michael. It's right there in the backthread Will copied. Why try to pretend that didn't happen?
> > > >
> > > > >> Assuming that you want PPB to be well edited, you should want to know that editors do *not* add commas to the titles of published books.
> > > >
> > > > > Michael, as I've shown you in the troll thread (where you began pontificating about what "editors" and "publishers" do, some even add colons.. Here it is again, for anyone wanting to see the variety:
> > > > > https://www.google.ca/search?q=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&sxsrf=AB5stBhVr811YW8oPI9Z8LxAkMSpL7PbhQ%3A1689477707827&source=hp&ei=S2KzZOmGMK6nptQPpoyNmA0&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZLNwW-Ag0iJa8HCLyJWQr2Ss0Zjnta5M&ved=0ahUKEwip2IP1opKAAxWuk4kEHSZGA9MQ4dUDCAs&uact=5&oq=Lyrics+of+Quakerism%2C+and+other+poems&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IiRMeXJpY3Mgb2YgUXVha2VyaXNtLCBhbmQgb3RoZXIgcG9lbXMyBBAjGCdI32BQsxpYwV5wAXgAkAEAmAHNA6ABzCuqAQoxLjMwLjQuMC4xuAEDyAEA-AEBqAIKwgIHECMY6gIYJ8ICBxAuGOoCGCfCAgcQIxiKBRgnwgIIEC4YigUYkQLCAggQABiABBixA8ICERAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGMcBGNEDwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAggQLhiABBixA8ICCBAAGIoFGJECwgINEAAYgAQYFBiHAhixA8ICEBAAGIAEGBQYhwIYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICBRAAGIAEwgIEEAAYA8ICBxAAGIAEGArCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgILEAAYFhgeGPEEGArCAgYQABgWGB7CAggQABgWGB4YCg&sclient=gws-wiz
> > > >
> > > > > You're telling me what you'd do, and possibly what you did when you worked for a publishing firm (assuming you worked for one). I don't have the slightest interest in how you do it.
> > > >
> > > > > You would also want to know the correct publication date
> > > >
> > > > > As I already told NastyGoon in their troll thread, the correct date was already on PPP. I appreciated their telling me I'd made a typo in February (and c&p'd onto this poem), but I'm certainly not going to pretend that they
> > > >
> > > > >>, and that you should not decide to print half of a title (even when taking it as a subtitle) in lower case.
> > > >
> > > > > I see you didn't bother with the search results I gave you. Let me list the first page, so readers can see how "editors" and "publishers" actually print the title in question:
> > > >
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics Of Quakerism: & Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics Of Quakerism And Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism : & Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism, and other poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism: And Other Poems
> > > > > Lyrics of Quakerism
> > > >
> > > > > Some capitalize the "And", some don't; some capitalize "Other Poems" and some don't; and one even omits it entirely. Those are all stylistic decisions, which don't prevent anyone from finding the book (as you were previously claiming in the troll thread).
> > > >
> > > > >> NancyGene catches similar technical and grammatical errors in the print version of "AYoS," and I consider myself extremely fortunate to have her help.
> > > >
> > > > > Well, then, since NG seems to be looking for another gig, you should probably stop taking them for granted, and try treating them better. I know you don't pay either of your AYOS "editors", but you really shouldn't make them pay for their own copies of the thing. And you really should stop misgendering NG.
> > > > What, no contributor's copies?
> > > They're sold at cost by amazon.
>
> > How much is that?
> About double what an author copy of the book would cost, since it includes Amazon's markup.

In other words, vanity press.

George Dance wrote:

> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:11:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:28:16 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 3:16:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> >
>> > > You have 1885 as the publication date and it should be (September 12) 1895.
>> > Thanks. It's been fixed on both of his poems.
>> >
>> > <snip>
>>
>> Good to see that Nancy Gene is good for something here.
>>
>> 🙂
>>
>> (Moved from the troll thread.)
>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> > July, by Ellwood Roberts
>> >
>> > Month of sultry noons and nights!
>> > Fields are parched for want of rain;
>> > But thou hast thy own delights,
>> > Luscious fruits and golden grain.
>> > [...]
>> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts.html
>> >
>> > #pennyspoems
>> ***

> Well, thanks for putting it in this thread. NastyGoon likes to whine that they don't get enough credit for their typo-pouncing, laming, so we should be sure to give them plenty when something useful results, which does happen now and then.

True, but unfortunately it's always just a coincidence

George Dance wrote:
>
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> July, by Ellwood Roberts

> Month of sultry noons and nights!
> Fields are parched for want of rain;
> But thou hast thy own delights,
> Luscious fruits and golden grain.
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/07/july-ellwood-roberts.html

> #pennyspoems

Having another read, quite an excellent sellection....

George Dance wrote:

> NancyGene wrote:
>> George Dance wrote:
>> > Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>> > > George Dance wrote:
>> > > > Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>
>> > > > > Why must you always repay invaluable favors with pettiness and scorn?
>> > > I don't expect you to thank anyone for correcting your editorial blunders.
>> >
>> > Expect what you want; but that's no reason for you to claim (once again, falsely) that I don't thank those who spot errors on the blog. The very thread on which NG kicked off the current campaign is enough to show that your story is false:
>> > "George Dance, you have the publication date wrong on Ellwood Roberts' "July" poem"
>> > [link snipped because this is the thread in question]
>> >
>> > NG pointed out the error in the date; I checked it out and confirmed they were correct; so I changed it and thanked them. That should have been the end of it.
>> >
>> > Of course, since having the error fixed was only a pretext for NG to troll -- they were "concern trolling" -- that was not the end of it. NG is still trolling on that thread to this day.
>> >
>> > (copied from another troll thread)

>> George Dance, you pushed back significantly from admitting that you inserted a comma into the title.

> No, NG; my position hasn't changed from what I told you the day you brought it up.
> "OTOH, how a title should appear in another work is not a matter of fact, but a style decision. The title on the front page of the book is "LYRICS OF QUAKERISM / AND / OTHER POEMS". Both PPP and PPB use a comma, and give the subtitle ("and other poems") in lower case."

>> There was no comma in the original publication.

> Once again, the title of the "original publication" was:

> LYRICS OF QUAKERISM

> AND

> OTHER POEMS

> (all caps, spread over five lines). No editor in the world would write it in a bibliography like that. Got it?

>> You're welcome.

Good morning, moved from the troll thread for continuity and to set the record straight.