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Subject: Re: Good Bye Cruel World*
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by: Jordy C - Mon, 4 Sep 2023 21:54 UTC

Re: Good Bye Cruel World*

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Subject: Re: Good Bye Cruel World*
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by: Michael Pendragon - Mon, 4 Sep 2023 22:03 UTC

On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:54:45 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> Once again, my words are being completly, totally twisted!!! NEVER said or implied that military personnel are too macho, or that they are “stooges”! Not even close!

On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:20:00 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
"...again it seems unncessarilly macho and rigid and hidebound and stodgy and conventional and tradiiotnal and marching in lockstep and "one size fits all' to equate "serving" ONLY with military service..."

Your claim that it is "unnecessarily macho" to equate having served one's Country with "military service" strongly implies that you are filing "military personnel" under the "unnecessarily macho" stereotype.

Why else would you draw such a connection?

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Subject: Re: Good Bye Cruel World*
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by: Jordy C - Tue, 5 Sep 2023 00:55 UTC

On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:03:56 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:54:45 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > Once again, my words are being completly, totally twisted!!! NEVER said or implied that military personnel are too macho, or that they are “stooges”! Not even close!
> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:20:00 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> "...again it seems unncessarilly macho and rigid and hidebound and stodgy and conventional and tradiiotnal and marching in lockstep and "one size fits all' to equate "serving" ONLY with military service..."
>
> Your claim that it is "unnecessarily macho" to equate having served one's Country with "military service" strongly implies that you are filing "military personnel" under the "unnecessarily macho" stereotype.
>
> Why else would you draw such a connection?

What I clearly said is that what is too macho etc… is to equate “serving your country” ONLY with military service! I was referring to the ones doing the equating, not the military personnel themselves, that is quite clear, Imo…

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Subject: Re: Good Bye Cruel World*
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by: Michael Pendragon - Tue, 5 Sep 2023 02:38 UTC

On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:55:12 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:03:56 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:54:45 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > Once again, my words are being completly, totally twisted!!! NEVER said or implied that military personnel are too macho, or that they are “stooges”! Not even close!
> > On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:20:00 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > "...again it seems unncessarilly macho and rigid and hidebound and stodgy and conventional and tradiiotnal and marching in lockstep and "one size fits all' to equate "serving" ONLY with military service..."
> >
> > Your claim that it is "unnecessarily macho" to equate having served one's Country with "military service" strongly implies that you are filing "military personnel" under the "unnecessarily macho" stereotype.
> >
> > Why else would you draw such a connection?
> What I clearly said is that what is too macho etc… is to equate “serving your country” ONLY with military service! I was referring to the ones doing the equating, not the military personnel themselves, that is quite clear, Imo…
>

Yes, that is clearly what you said.

I'm asking you *why* you think that equating "serving your country" ONLY with military service should be thought of as "unnecessarily macho."

The only reason that I can think of is that you are equating the military with "unnecessarily macho" stereotypes.

If not, then please explain why you chose to call it "unnecessarily macho" as opposed to "closed minded," "fascistic," or just plain "wrong."

Subject	Author
Re: Good Bye Cruel World*	Jordy C
Re: Good Bye Cruel World*	Michael Pendragon
Re: Good Bye Cruel World*	Jordy C
Re: Good Bye Cruel World*	Michael Pendragon