On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:42:00 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:

>FINAL RANKINGS - same as Roger, Carl and me.
>
>1. I Got it - Little Richard - 41
>2, I Don’t Go For That - Jimmy Reed - 36
>3. Come Home, Little Girl - Diablos - 31
>4. Speedoo Is Back - Cadillacs - 26
>
>5. Where Is My Honey? - Mickey and Sylvia - 16
>
>Mark's Little Richard has Got It, taking first place here.

An ironic winner, since Mark has made strong statements in
the recent past implying that nominations should be obscure.

For me, *at least*, the top 2 Obscure tracks here are:

1. Where Is My Honey? - Mickey and Sylvia (Jim)

this remark by our 1953 Dennis, is, imo, insensitive blowhard nonsense
- or, should I say, subject to a second opinion:

"Jangly guitar solo sended out a life line but this thing sinks like a
rock"

2. I Don’t Go For That - Jimmy Reed

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:04:13 PM UTC-5, RWC wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:42:00 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
> wrote:
> >FINAL RANKINGS - same as Roger, Carl and me.
> >
> >1. I Got it - Little Richard - 41
> >2, I Don’t Go For That - Jimmy Reed - 36
> >3. Come Home, Little Girl - Diablos - 31
> >4. Speedoo Is Back - Cadillacs - 26
> >
> >5. Where Is My Honey? - Mickey and Sylvia - 16
> >
> >Mark's Little Richard has Got It, taking first place here.
> An ironic winner, since Mark has made strong statements in
> the recent past implying that nominations should be obscure.

"I Got It" is pretty fucking obscure, although it would not have been eligible under the original rules here since it was in Roger's 1960 battle.

On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 20:11:32 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:04:13 PM UTC-5, RWC wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:42:00 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>> >FINAL RANKINGS - same as Roger, Carl and me.
>> >
>> >1. I Got it - Little Richard - 41
>> >2, I Don’t Go For That - Jimmy Reed - 36
>> >3. Come Home, Little Girl - Diablos - 31
>> >4. Speedoo Is Back - Cadillacs - 26
>> >
>> >5. Where Is My Honey? - Mickey and Sylvia - 16
>> >
>> >Mark's Little Richard has Got It, taking first place here.
>> An ironic winner, since Mark has made strong statements in
>> the recent past implying that nominations should be obscure.
>
>"I Got It" is pretty fucking obscure

In a recent post I said:

if the record or *its sound* is clearly not Obscure...

On Mar 2, 2022 at 9:23:38 PM CST, "Bruce" <SavoyBG@aol.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 9:42:03 PM UTC-5, RWC wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 07:21:39 -0800 (PST), Bill B <bb...@optonline.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 1 Speedoo Is Back - Cadillacs
>>>
>>> 2 Where Is My Honey? - Mickey and Sylvia
>>>
>>> 3 Come Home, Little Girl - Diablos
>>>
>>> 4 I Got it - Little Richard
>>> Deducted a lot of points for unoriginality
>>>
>>> 5 I Don’t Go For That - Jimmy Reed
>>>
>> Points should be deducted if the record or its 'sound' is clearly not
>> Obscure, not in keeping with the original intent of this absorbing
>> tournament.
>>
>> (I apologize up front if I'm stating the obvious here :)
>>
>> In a 'keenness' to win or do well in a particular tournament, some
>> players are exploiting the simple (as they should be) rules for
>> nominations - "fuck the theoretical intent of the contest, I want to
>> win, baby!!!".
>>
>> Regarding the deduction of points, Mark will likely agree with me,
>> Bruce will not, Bill will definitely not :-)
>
> Mark can't agree with you. He was quitting when the contest was just about
> obscurities. I had to change the rules and allow some popular songs in order
> to keep him going.

I never said that. In fact, in my suggestion that we occasionally wander from
our usual decade limits I emphasized we should stick with the idea of
little-known recordings (and your response to that was "In the Mood"), My
problem with the original rule was simply that I was running out of records
worth nominating. Roger's contests were filled with interesting things I would
call obscurities, but were ruled off limits by the original rules you set.
Opening up the losers in Roger's battles certainly has increased my interest a
lot.

--md

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On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:30:07 PM UTC-5, Mark D. wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2022 at 9:23:38 PM CST, "Bruce" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 9:42:03 PM UTC-5, RWC wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 07:21:39 -0800 (PST), Bill B <bb...@optonline.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>> 1 Speedoo Is Back - Cadillacs
> >>>
> >>> 2 Where Is My Honey? - Mickey and Sylvia
> >>>
> >>> 3 Come Home, Little Girl - Diablos
> >>>
> >>> 4 I Got it - Little Richard
> >>> Deducted a lot of points for unoriginality
> >>>
> >>> 5 I Don’t Go For That - Jimmy Reed
> >>>
> >> Points should be deducted if the record or its 'sound' is clearly not
> >> Obscure, not in keeping with the original intent of this absorbing
> >> tournament.
> >>
> >> (I apologize up front if I'm stating the obvious here :)
> >>
> >> In a 'keenness' to win or do well in a particular tournament, some
> >> players are exploiting the simple (as they should be) rules for
> >> nominations - "fuck the theoretical intent of the contest, I want to
> >> win, baby!!!".
> >>
> >> Regarding the deduction of points, Mark will likely agree with me,
> >> Bruce will not, Bill will definitely not :-)
> >
> > Mark can't agree with you. He was quitting when the contest was just about
> > obscurities. I had to change the rules and allow some popular songs in order
> > to keep him going.

> I never said that.

Where did I say that you said anything. I only said that if the original rules stayed that you were quitting.

On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 22:30:01 -0600, Mark D. <mdintenfass@xxnew.rr.com>
wrote:

>Opening up the losers in Roger's battles certainly has increased my interest a
>lot.
>
But, some of these 'losers' are still famous (ie not Obscure) - they
simply lost a round to an even more famous record.