> From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
>
> "The earth runs
> through my veins
> Deep and black
> Heavy and poisonous
> ancient memories
> ancient magic
> ...I am the reason
> you fear the darkness
> I am
> the darkness"

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> >
> > "The earth runs
> > through my veins
> > Deep and black
> > Heavy and poisonous
> > ancient memories
> > ancient magic
> > ...I am the reason
> > you fear the darkness
> > I am
> > the darkness"

(should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )

“Stroke”

stranger
in the mirror
a visitor only
for me
me
mystery
won't tell me why
won't even say
anything
just looks back
I was afraid
but I
got curious
but she wouldn't
tell me anything
and now
she's gone

Calliope
U. of Chicago
1989

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
>
> > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > >
> > > "The earth runs
> > > through my veins
> > > Deep and black
> > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > ancient memories
> > > ancient magic
> > > ...I am the reason
> > > you fear the darkness
> > > I am
> > > the darkness"
> (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
>
> “Stroke”
>
> stranger
> in the mirror
> a visitor only
> for me
> me
> mystery
> won't tell me why
> won't even say
> anything
> just looks back
> I was afraid
> but I
> got curious
> but she wouldn't
> tell me anything
> and now
> she's gone
>
>
> Calliope
> U. of Chicago
> 1989

A friend recommended a book to me by Naomi Klein called Doppelganger. "

"In one section she refers to all of us living in Shadowlands."

Your poem seems to be about a doppleganger in the mirror.

Good poem.

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
>
> > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > >
> > > "The earth runs
> > > through my veins
> > > Deep and black
> > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > ancient memories
> > > ancient magic
> > > ...I am the reason
> > > you fear the darkness
> > > I am
> > > the darkness"
> (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
>
> “Stroke”
>
> stranger
> in the mirror
> a visitor only
> for me
> me
> mystery
> won't tell me why
> won't even say
> anything
> just looks back
> I was afraid
> but I
> got curious
> but she wouldn't
> tell me anything
> and now
> she's gone
>
>
> Calliope
> U. of Chicago
> 1989

Hi Rachel, quite good...

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> >
> > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > >
> > > > "The earth runs
> > > > through my veins
> > > > Deep and black
> > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > ancient memories
> > > > ancient magic
> > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > I am
> > > > the darkness"
> > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> >
> > “Stroke”
> >
> > stranger
> > in the mirror
> > a visitor only
> > for me
> > me
> > mystery
> > won't tell me why
> > won't even say
> > anything
> > just looks back
> > I was afraid
> > but I
> > got curious
> > but she wouldn't
> > tell me anything
> > and now
> > she's gone
> >
> >
> > Calliope
> > U. of Chicago
> > 1989
> Hi Rachel, quite good...

Hmm...

Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
>
> > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > >
> > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > through my veins
> > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > I am
> > > > > the darkness"
> > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > >
> > > “Stroke”
> > >
> > > stranger
> > > in the mirror
> > > a visitor only
> > > for me
> > > me
> > > mystery
> > > won't tell me why
> > > won't even say
> > > anything
> > > just looks back
> > > I was afraid
> > > but I
> > > got curious
> > > but she wouldn't
> > > tell me anything
> > > and now
> > > she's gone
> > >
> > >
> > > Calliope
> > > U. of Chicago
> > > 1989
> > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> Hmm...
>
> Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?

Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> >
> > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > I am
> > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > >
> > > > “Stroke”
> > > >
> > > > stranger
> > > > in the mirror
> > > > a visitor only
> > > > for me
> > > > me
> > > > mystery
> > > > won't tell me why
> > > > won't even say
> > > > anything
> > > > just looks back
> > > > I was afraid
> > > > but I
> > > > got curious
> > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > tell me anything
> > > > and now
> > > > she's gone
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Calliope
> > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > 1989
> > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > Hmm...
> >
> > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry...!

i don't know what supposedly happened

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > >
> > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > >
> > > > > stranger
> > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > for me
> > > > > me
> > > > > mystery
> > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > won't even say
> > > > > anything
> > > > > just looks back
> > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > but I
> > > > > got curious
> > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > and now
> > > > > she's gone
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Calliope
> > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > 1989
> > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > Hmm...
> > >
> > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> i don't know what supposedly happened

i don't like violence...

a fight... ?

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > for me
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > anything
> > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > but I
> > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > and now
> > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > 1989
> > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > Hmm...
> > > >
> > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > i don't know what supposedly happened
> i don't like violence...
>
> a fight... ?

So, what was the "lead pipe" a reference to?

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:07:30 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > Hmm...
> > > > >
> > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > i don't like violence...
> >
> > a fight... ?
> So, what was the "lead pipe" a reference to?

it's multi-layered, as stephan, and my mom, would say about their own subjects of interpretation...

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:18:41 AM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:07:30 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > > i don't like violence...
> > >
> > > a fight... ?
> > So, what was the "lead pipe" a reference to?
> it's multi-layered, as stephan, and my mom, would say about their own subjects of interpretation...

aapc being the inspiration... :)? (not sure the story....or even its validity...)(i told persy....a lot of it, no matter who, just wasn't my cup of tea, the boy's club, and i didn't/don't follow closely if at all....)

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:36:26 AM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:18:41 AM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:07:30 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > > > i don't like violence...
> > > >
> > > > a fight... ?
> > > So, what was the "lead pipe" a reference to?
> > it's multi-layered, as stephan, and my mom, would say about their own subjects of interpretation...
> aapc being the inspiration... :)? (not sure the story....or even its validity...)(i told persy....a lot of it, no matter who, just wasn't my cup of tea, the boy's club, and i didn't/don't follow closely if at all....)

sorry, but i'm sure y'all understand !!!

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:37:20 AM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:36:26 AM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:18:41 AM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:07:30 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > > > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > > > > i don't like violence...
> > > > >
> > > > > a fight... ?
> > > > So, what was the "lead pipe" a reference to?
> > > it's multi-layered, as stephan, and my mom, would say about their own subjects of interpretation...
> > aapc being the inspiration... :)? (not sure the story....or even its validity...)(i told persy....a lot of it, no matter who, just wasn't my cup of tea, the boy's club, and i didn't/don't follow closely if at all....)
> sorry, but i'm sure y'all understand !!!

you can all be so base and uncouth !!!

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 1:23:13 AM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:37:20 AM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:36:26 AM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:18:41 AM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:07:30 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > > > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > > > > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > > > > > i don't like violence...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a fight... ?
> > > > > So, what was the "lead pipe" a reference to?
> > > > it's multi-layered, as stephan, and my mom, would say about their own subjects of interpretation...
> > > aapc being the inspiration... :)? (not sure the story....or even its validity...)(i told persy....a lot of it, no matter who, just wasn't my cup of tea, the boy's club, and i didn't/don't follow closely if at all....)
> > sorry, but i'm sure y'all understand !!!
> you can all be so base and uncouth !!!

i know it's the perpetual fear of the circle jerk , but still...

well, as long as i don't have to read it day in and day out !!!

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 1:07:30 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > Hmm...
> > > > >
> > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > i don't like violence...
> >
> > a fight... ?
> So, what was the "lead pipe" a reference to?

No doubt this is a nod to Brother Dave's case of lead poisoning. Most unfortunate, I daresay.

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:54:41 PM UTC-4, Fake Faraway Star forged:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 1:07:30 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > > i don't like violence...
> > >
> > > a fight... ?
> > So, what was the "lead pipe" a reference to?
> No doubt this is

No doubt you're an impostor troll ^^^^^^

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 4:23:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:37:20 AM, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > > > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > > > > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > > > > > i don't like violence...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a fight... ?
> > > > > So, what was the "lead pipe" a reference to?
> > > > it's multi-layered, as stephan, and my mom, would say about their own subjects of interpretation...
> > > aapc being the inspiration... :)? (not sure the story....or even its validity...)(i told persy....a lot of it, no matter who, just wasn't my cup of tea, the boy's club, and i didn't/don't follow closely if at all....)
> > sorry, but i'm sure y'all understand !!!
> you can all be so base and uncouth !!!

I try not to be.

🙂

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > for me
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > anything
> > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > but I
> > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > and now
> > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > 1989
> > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > Hmm...
> > > >
> > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > i don't know what supposedly happened
> i don't like violence...
>
> a fight... ?

Here's the story as told by Will Dockery:

The first line hits home kind of heavy, as my brother and I were involved in quite a scuffle two nights ago.

A person came up on me with a metal bar of some kind, and smashed me on the back with it, connecting with my elbow, sending sparks of pain through my arm. I turned and shoved him, and he tumbled to the ground, then scuttled into the shadows.

My Brother Dave came charging up at him with a rake, and the maniac jumped out of the shadows and clocked him right in the forehead with that metal pipe.

Bip, put a pretty good smash to his forehead, causing some bleeding.

The man ran into his trailer and locked the door, and, with dasylight about an hour in the future, me and my brother just left, to clean his wound and get some sleep...

The person who smashed my brother is a good friend of ours of many years who just went a bit crazy from pressure, and in a couple of days all will be forgotten (mostly) and most of all, forgiven.

Things happen in these weird and wicked days.

Main thing is, Dave seems to be okay, and he was downtown with the rest of us as usual last night, although he opted to just sit in the car and watch, resting his head and smoking cigarettes.

[END STORY]

It turns out that the "maniac" was none other than our own George Sulzbach, who was (as he put it) "blackout drunk" at the time.

It has since been speculated that Dave's early demise was due to the long-term effects of the injuries to the brain he'd received that night.

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:36:03 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > Hmm...
> > > > >
> > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > i don't like violence...
> >
> > a fight... ?
> Here's the story as told by Will Dockery:
>
> The first line hits home kind of heavy, as my brother and I were involved in quite a scuffle two nights ago.
>
> A person came up on me with a metal bar of some kind, and smashed me on the back with it, connecting with my elbow, sending sparks of pain through my arm. I turned and shoved him, and he tumbled to the ground, then scuttled into the shadows.
>
> My Brother Dave came charging up at him with a rake, and the maniac jumped out of the shadows and clocked him right in the forehead with that metal pipe.
>
> Bip, put a pretty good smash to his forehead, causing some bleeding.
>
> The man ran into his trailer and locked the door, and, with dasylight about an hour in the future, me and my brother just left, to clean his wound and get some sleep...
>
> The person who smashed my brother is a good friend of ours of many years who just went a bit crazy from pressure, and in a couple of days all will be forgotten (mostly) and most of all, forgiven.
>
> Things happen in these weird and wicked days.
>
> Main thing is, Dave seems to be okay, and he was downtown with the rest of us as usual last night, although he opted to just sit in the car and watch, resting his head and smoking cigarettes.
>
> [END STORY]
>
> It turns out that the "maniac" was none other than our own George Sulzbach, who was (as he put it) "blackout drunk" at the time.
>
> It has since been speculated that Dave's early demise was due to the long-term effects of the injuries to the brain he'd received that night.

True, it wasn't a good night, but we moved on from that, as Zod and David had always been friends.

I'm glad that Zod, like myself, has stopped drinking, though.

Drawing of David Dockery by Zod:

https://imgur.com/gallery/R5VgIVv

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 11:36:03 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > Hmm...
> > > > >
> > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > i don't like violence...
> >
> > a fight... ?
> Here's the story as told by Will Dockery:
>
> The first line hits home kind of heavy, as my brother and I were involved in quite a scuffle two nights ago.
>
> A person came up on me with a metal bar of some kind, and smashed me on the back with it, connecting with my elbow, sending sparks of pain through my arm. I turned and shoved him, and he tumbled to the ground, then scuttled into the shadows.
>
> My Brother Dave came charging up at him with a rake, and the maniac jumped out of the shadows and clocked him right in the forehead with that metal pipe.
>
> Bip, put a pretty good smash to his forehead, causing some bleeding.
>
> The man ran into his trailer and locked the door, and, with dasylight about an hour in the future, me and my brother just left, to clean his wound and get some sleep...
>
> The person who smashed my brother is a good friend of ours of many years who just went a bit crazy from pressure, and in a couple of days all will be forgotten (mostly) and most of all, forgiven.
>
> Things happen in these weird and wicked days.
>
> Main thing is, Dave seems to be okay, and he was downtown with the rest of us as usual last night, although he opted to just sit in the car and watch, resting his head and smoking cigarettes.
>
> [END STORY]
>
> It turns out that the "maniac" was none other than our own George Sulzbach, who was (as he put it) "blackout drunk" at the time.
>
> It has since been speculated that Dave's early demise was due to the long-term effects of the injuries to the brain he'd received that night.

that's what i thought, but then, wasn't this story later debunked as the fabrications of a deranged mind ?

like i thought i read something like zod was in a drunken car accident and killed someone, but later, that he was the passenger, slt??? iow, nothing to worry about, insofar at the company one keeps?

xo?

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:33:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 11:36:03 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > > i don't like violence...
> > >
> > > a fight... ?
> > Here's the story as told by Will Dockery:
> >
> > The first line hits home kind of heavy, as my brother and I were involved in quite a scuffle two nights ago.
> >
> > A person came up on me with a metal bar of some kind, and smashed me on the back with it, connecting with my elbow, sending sparks of pain through my arm. I turned and shoved him, and he tumbled to the ground, then scuttled into the shadows.
> >
> > My Brother Dave came charging up at him with a rake, and the maniac jumped out of the shadows and clocked him right in the forehead with that metal pipe.
> >
> > Bip, put a pretty good smash to his forehead, causing some bleeding.
> >
> > The man ran into his trailer and locked the door, and, with dasylight about an hour in the future, me and my brother just left, to clean his wound and get some sleep...
> >
> > The person who smashed my brother is a good friend of ours of many years who just went a bit crazy from pressure, and in a couple of days all will be forgotten (mostly) and most of all, forgiven.
> >
> > Things happen in these weird and wicked days.
> >
> > Main thing is, Dave seems to be okay, and he was downtown with the rest of us as usual last night, although he opted to just sit in the car and watch, resting his head and smoking cigarettes.
> >
> > [END STORY]
> >
> > It turns out that the "maniac" was none other than our own George Sulzbach, who was (as he put it) "blackout drunk" at the time.
> >
> > It has since been speculated that Dave's early demise was due to the long-term effects of the injuries to the brain he'd received that night.
> that's what i thought, but then, wasn't this story later debunked as the fabrications of a deranged mind ?
>
> like i thought i read something like zod was in a drunken car accident and killed someone, but later, that he was the passenger, slt??? iow, nothing to worry about, insofar at the company one keeps?
>
> xo?

True, Zod was the passenger in that accident, not the driver.

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:33:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 11:36:03 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > > i don't like violence...
> > >
> > > a fight... ?
> > Here's the story as told by Will Dockery:
> >
> > The first line hits home kind of heavy, as my brother and I were involved in quite a scuffle two nights ago.
> >
> > A person came up on me with a metal bar of some kind, and smashed me on the back with it, connecting with my elbow, sending sparks of pain through my arm. I turned and shoved him, and he tumbled to the ground, then scuttled into the shadows.
> >
> > My Brother Dave came charging up at him with a rake, and the maniac jumped out of the shadows and clocked him right in the forehead with that metal pipe.
> >
> > Bip, put a pretty good smash to his forehead, causing some bleeding.
> >
> > The man ran into his trailer and locked the door, and, with dasylight about an hour in the future, me and my brother just left, to clean his wound and get some sleep...
> >
> > The person who smashed my brother is a good friend of ours of many years who just went a bit crazy from pressure, and in a couple of days all will be forgotten (mostly) and most of all, forgiven.
> >
> > Things happen in these weird and wicked days.
> >
> > Main thing is, Dave seems to be okay, and he was downtown with the rest of us as usual last night, although he opted to just sit in the car and watch, resting his head and smoking cigarettes.
> >
> > [END STORY]
> >
> > It turns out that the "maniac" was none other than our own George Sulzbach, who was (as he put it) "blackout drunk" at the time.
> >
> > It has since been speculated that Dave's early demise was due to the long-term effects of the injuries to the brain he'd received that night.
> that's what i thought, but then, wasn't this story later debunked as the fabrications of a deranged mind ?

No. AFAIK the cause of Dave's death was never determined.

He would just sit on his bed all day while Will fed him cigarettes every half hour. One day Will noticed that he wasn't actually inhaling them. So Will called Stinky George on the Obama phone, and they carried Dave's carcass over to Porky's House of BBQ, stuck Dave on the rotisserie for several days till he got good and crunchy, then chopped him up with shovels, swept him into a mayonnaise jar and (barring a small accident where Clay spilled half of Dave in the parking lot) dumped him off of a cliff at the local park. (Photos available at $10 a pop, courtesy of Brian Mallard.)

IOW: No autopsy was ever made.

Judging from the photos Will posted of Dave in the last couple years of his life, he looked as if he were in a continual state of befuddlement. I had (in all seriousness) urged Will to take him to a doctor, as he looked like he was at death's door -- but Will stuck his fingers in his ears and brayed "Nuh-uh," and that was the end of that... and, unfortunately, of Brother Dave as well.

> like i thought i read something like zod was in a drunken car accident and killed someone, but later, that he was the passenger, slt??? iow, nothing to worry about, insofar at the company one keeps?
>

Zod and his GF, Sidne were leaving work (yes, Zod supposedly worked at one time), and were hit while pulling out into traffic. Sidne was killed, and Zod was converted to Bharma Dummery.

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 7:41:40 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:33:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 11:36:03 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > > > i don't like violence...
> > > >
> > > > a fight... ?
> > > Here's the story as told by Will Dockery:
> > >
> > > The first line hits home kind of heavy, as my brother and I were involved in quite a scuffle two nights ago.
> > >
> > > A person came up on me with a metal bar of some kind, and smashed me on the back with it, connecting with my elbow, sending sparks of pain through my arm. I turned and shoved him, and he tumbled to the ground, then scuttled into the shadows.
> > >
> > > My Brother Dave came charging up at him with a rake, and the maniac jumped out of the shadows and clocked him right in the forehead with that metal pipe.
> > >
> > > Bip, put a pretty good smash to his forehead, causing some bleeding.
> > >
> > > The man ran into his trailer and locked the door, and, with dasylight about an hour in the future, me and my brother just left, to clean his wound and get some sleep...
> > >
> > > The person who smashed my brother is a good friend of ours of many years who just went a bit crazy from pressure, and in a couple of days all will be forgotten (mostly) and most of all, forgiven.
> > >
> > > Things happen in these weird and wicked days.
> > >
> > > Main thing is, Dave seems to be okay, and he was downtown with the rest of us as usual last night, although he opted to just sit in the car and watch, resting his head and smoking cigarettes.
> > >
> > > [END STORY]
> > >
> > > It turns out that the "maniac" was none other than our own George Sulzbach, who was (as he put it) "blackout drunk" at the time.
> > >
> > > It has since been speculated that Dave's early demise was due to the long-term effects of the injuries to the brain he'd received that night.
> > that's what i thought, but then, wasn't this story later debunked as the fabrications of a deranged mind ?
> No. AFAIK the cause of Dave's death was never determined.
>
> He would just sit on his bed all day while Will fed him cigarettes every half hour. One day Will noticed that he wasn't actually inhaling them. So Will called Stinky George on the Obama phone, and they carried Dave's carcass over to Porky's House of BBQ, stuck Dave on the rotisserie for several days till he got good and crunchy, then chopped him up with shovels, swept him into a mayonnaise jar and (barring a small accident where Clay spilled half of Dave in the parking lot) dumped him off of a cliff at the local park. (Photos available at $10 a pop, courtesy of Brian Mallard.)
>
> IOW: No autopsy was ever made.
>
> Judging from the photos Will posted of Dave in the last couple years of his life, he looked as if he were in a continual state of befuddlement. I had (in all seriousness) urged Will to take him to a doctor, as he looked like he was at death's door -- but Will stuck his fingers in his ears and brayed "Nuh-uh," and that was the end of that... and, unfortunately, of Brother Dave as well.
> > like i thought i read something like zod was in a drunken car accident and killed someone, but later, that he was the passenger, slt??? iow, nothing to worry about, insofar at the company one keeps?
> >
> Zod and his GF, Sidne were leaving work (yes, Zod supposedly worked at one time), and were hit while pulling out into traffic. Sidne was killed, and Zod was converted to Bharma Dummery.

{{{{{Zod}}}}}

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 10:41:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:33:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 11:36:03 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > > > i don't like violence...
> > > >
> > > > a fight... ?
> > > Here's the story as told by Will Dockery:
> > >
> > > The first line hits home kind of heavy, as my brother and I were involved in quite a scuffle two nights ago.
> > >
> > > A person came up on me with a metal bar of some kind, and smashed me on the back with it, connecting with my elbow, sending sparks of pain through my arm. I turned and shoved him, and he tumbled to the ground, then scuttled into the shadows.
> > >
> > > My Brother Dave came charging up at him with a rake, and the maniac jumped out of the shadows and clocked him right in the forehead with that metal pipe.
> > >
> > > Bip, put a pretty good smash to his forehead, causing some bleeding.
> > >
> > > The man ran into his trailer and locked the door, and, with dasylight about an hour in the future, me and my brother just left, to clean his wound and get some sleep...
> > >
> > > The person who smashed my brother is a good friend of ours of many years who just went a bit crazy from pressure, and in a couple of days all will be forgotten (mostly) and most of all, forgiven.
> > >
> > > Things happen in these weird and wicked days.
> > >
> > > Main thing is, Dave seems to be okay, and he was downtown with the rest of us as usual last night, although he opted to just sit in the car and watch, resting his head and smoking cigarettes.
> > >
> > > [END STORY]
> > >
> > >
> the cause of Dave's death was never determined

And isn't your business, anyway.

HTH and HAND

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:27:15 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 10:41:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:33:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 11:36:03 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-7, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:26:38 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield, rev. by Rachel B. Levi w/out permission:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > Heavy and poisonous
> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > (should be centered, don't know how to do it in usenet, sorry :-( )
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > “Stroke”
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > stranger
> > > > > > > > > > in the mirror
> > > > > > > > > > a visitor only
> > > > > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > mystery
> > > > > > > > > > won't tell me why
> > > > > > > > > > won't even say
> > > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > just looks back
> > > > > > > > > > I was afraid
> > > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > > got curious
> > > > > > > > > > but she wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > > tell me anything
> > > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > > she's gone
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Calliope
> > > > > > > > > > U. of Chicago
> > > > > > > > > > 1989
> > > > > > > > > Hi Rachel, quite good...
> > > > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is "Reflections on a Lead Pipe" a reference to an incident we're all too well aware of?
> > > > > > > Probably, but Rachel is a good friend and I respect her choices in poetry..!
> > > > > > i don't know what supposedly happened
> > > > > i don't like violence...
> > > > >
> > > > > a fight... ?
> > > > Here's the story as told by Will Dockery:
> > > >
> > > > The first line hits home kind of heavy, as my brother and I were involved in quite a scuffle two nights ago.
> > > >
> > > > A person came up on me with a metal bar of some kind, and smashed me on the back with it, connecting with my elbow, sending sparks of pain through my arm. I turned and shoved him, and he tumbled to the ground, then scuttled into the shadows.
> > > >
> > > > My Brother Dave came charging up at him with a rake, and the maniac jumped out of the shadows and clocked him right in the forehead with that metal pipe.
> > > >
> > > > Bip, put a pretty good smash to his forehead, causing some bleeding..
> > > >
> > > > The man ran into his trailer and locked the door, and, with dasylight about an hour in the future, me and my brother just left, to clean his wound and get some sleep...
> > > >
> > > > The person who smashed my brother is a good friend of ours of many years who just went a bit crazy from pressure, and in a couple of days all will be forgotten (mostly) and most of all, forgiven.
> > > >
> > > > Things happen in these weird and wicked days.
> > > >
> > > > Main thing is, Dave seems to be okay, and he was downtown with the rest of us as usual last night, although he opted to just sit in the car and watch, resting his head and smoking cigarettes.
> > > >
> > > > [END STORY]
> > > >
> > > >
> > the cause of Dave's death was never determined
> And isn't your business, anyway.

Isn't it?

“Strange, isn't it? Each man's life touches so many other lives. When he isn't around he leaves an awful hole, doesn't he?”
-- Clarence