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* Apple TV+ "Foundation" is not based on booksYour Name
+* Re: Apple TV+ "Foundation" is not based on booksPhillip Helbig (undress to reply
|`- Re: Apple TV+ "Foundation" is not based on booksWolffan
`* Re: Apple TV+ "Foundation" is not based on booksWolffan
 `* Re: Apple TV+ "Foundation" is not based on booksYour Name
  `- Re: Apple TV+ "Foundation" is not based on booksJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

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Apple TV+ "Foundation" is not based on books

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 by: Your Name - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 20:39 UTC

For those who didn't already realise it, this is (almost) straight from
the horse's mouth .. or maybe that should be ass's mouth ...

While The Morning Show was lauded for its serious
star power, Foundation was viewed as a far more
challenging project in purely creative terms. The
Isaac Asimov novels on which the eponymous series
was to be based have such a massive scope that
many had tried - and failed - to successfully
adapt them to the screen. Even HBO couldn't crack
that particular nut, and an attempt at a
Foundation series on that network never made it
past the initial concept stages.

The Apple TV+ series' Executive Producer, David
S. Goyer, solved this problem by taking quite a
few liberties in interpreting the Foundation
novels, to the point where the result is only
loosely based on Asimov's work. To put it
another way, this all takes place in the
Foundation universe, features some of the same
characters and overarching plot points, but
otherwise tells a fundamentally different
narrative.

The move has alienated some fans of Asimov's
original trilogy, but as long as you're willing
to set that aside and see Foundation as a new
story, perhaps something more akin to fan fiction,
it's an enjoyable show that's both sophisticated
and well put together.

<https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-teases-season-2-of-foundation-with-several-new-characters/178960/>

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 by: Phillip Helbig (undr - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 21:16 UTC

In article <stk2tp$1jbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> writes:

>
> For those who didn't already realise it, this is (almost) straight from
> the horse's mouth .. or maybe that should be ass's mouth ...

> <https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-teases-season-2-of-foundation-with-several-new-characters/178960/>

The thing is, with the budget they had, they could have done it well,
and it would have been even more successful, making enough money to
finance filming the rest of Asimov's work, even his essay collections.

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 by: Wolffan - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 22:53 UTC

On 2022 Feb 04, Your Name wrote
(in article <stk2tp$1jbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>):

>
> For those who didn't already realise it, this is (almost) straight from
> the horse's mouth .. or maybe that should be ass's mouth ...
>
> While The Morning Show was lauded for its serious
> star power, Foundation was viewed as a far more
> challenging project in purely creative terms. The
> Isaac Asimov novels on which the eponymous series
> was to be based have such a massive scope that
> many had tried -and failed -to successfully
> adapt them to the screen. Even HBO couldn't crack
> that particular nut, and an attempt at a
> Foundation series on that network never made it
> past the initial concept stages.
>
> The Apple TV+ series' Executive Producer, David
> S. Goyer, solved this problem by taking quite a
> few liberties in interpreting the Foundation
> novels, to the point where the result is only
> loosely based on Asimov's work. To put it
> another way, this all takes place in the
> Foundation universe, features some of the same
> characters and overarching plot points, but
> otherwise tells a fundamentally different
> narrative.
>
> The move has alienated some fans of Asimov's
> original trilogy, but as long as you're willing
> to set that aside and see Foundation as a new
> story, perhaps something more akin to fan fiction,
> it's an enjoyable show that's both sophisticated
> and well put together.
>
> <https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-teases-season-2-of-foundation-with-sever
> al-new-characters/178960/>

were you really expecting anything else?

Be thankful that it wasn’t Starship Stormtroopers. Or, worse, that anime
Lensman atrocity. https://manga.fandom.com/wiki/Lensman_(anime) says, and I
quote:

"Despite sharing character and organization names, as well as central themes
common to the books, heavy artistic license was taken resulting in a final
product altogether very different from the source material.”

No kidding. The ‘creative’ team behind that Bokonian-influenced abortion
was badly in need of some up close and personal attitude. correction from a
Valerian space-axe.

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 by: Wolffan - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 22:58 UTC

On 2022 Feb 04, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply wrote
(in article <stk52l$eg4$2@gioia.aioe.org>):

> In article<stk2tp$1jbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
>
> >
> > For those who didn't already realise it, this is (almost) straight from
> > the horse's mouth .. or maybe that should be ass's mouth ...
>
> > <https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-teases-season-2-of-foundation-with-sev
> > eral-new-characters/178960/>
>
> The thing is, with the budget they had, they could have done it well,
> and it would have been even more successful, making enough money to
> finance filming the rest of Asimov's work, even his essay collections.

be careful what you ask for, you might get it. Just one word:
’Nightfall’.

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 by: Your Name - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 23:00 UTC

On 2022-02-04 22:53:16 +0000, Wolffan said:
> On 2022 Feb 04, Your Name wrote
> (in article <stk2tp$1jbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>):
>>
>> For those who didn't already realise it, this is (almost) straight from
>> the horse's mouth .. or maybe that should be ass's mouth ...
>>
>> While The Morning Show was lauded for its serious
>> star power, Foundation was viewed as a far more
>> challenging project in purely creative terms. The
>> Isaac Asimov novels on which the eponymous series
>> was to be based have such a massive scope that
>> many had tried -and failed -to successfully
>> adapt them to the screen. Even HBO couldn't crack
>> that particular nut, and an attempt at a
>> Foundation series on that network never made it
>> past the initial concept stages.
>>
>> The Apple TV+ series' Executive Producer, David
>> S. Goyer, solved this problem by taking quite a
>> few liberties in interpreting the Foundation
>> novels, to the point where the result is only
>> loosely based on Asimov's work. To put it
>> another way, this all takes place in the
>> Foundation universe, features some of the same
>> characters and overarching plot points, but
>> otherwise tells a fundamentally different
>> narrative.
>>
>> The move has alienated some fans of Asimov's
>> original trilogy, but as long as you're willing
>> to set that aside and see Foundation as a new
>> story, perhaps something more akin to fan fiction,
>> it's an enjoyable show that's both sophisticated
>> and well put together.
>>
>> <https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-teases-season-2-of-foundation-with-sever
>> al-new-characters/178960/>
>
> were you really expecting anything else?
>
> Be thankful that it wasn't Starship Stormtroopers. Or, worse, that anime
> Lensman atrocity. https://manga.fandom.com/wiki/Lensman_(anime) says, and I
> quote:
>
> "Despite sharing character and organization names, as well as central themes
> common to the books, heavy artistic license was taken resulting in a final
> product altogether very different from the source material."
>
> No kidding. The 'creative' team behind that Bokonian-influenced abortion
> was badly in need of some up close and personal attitude. correction from a
> Valerian space-axe.

That's how Hollywerid works. "Based on" / "adapatations" rarely stick
to the original - even when it's a remake of their own products (like
Disney!). They usually claim that it's because it isn't filmable or
requires too much money, but the real reasons are because the fool they
hire doesn't have the creative talent to do it properly, and/or has a
massive ego so thinks they know better then the original's creator how
it "should" have been done, and/or because the beancounters and
management morons keep inteferring. :-(

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Mon, 7 Feb 2022 15:38 UTC

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
news:stkb75$rov$1@gioia.aioe.org:

> On 2022-02-04 22:53:16 +0000, Wolffan said:
>> On 2022 Feb 04, Your Name wrote
>> (in article <stk2tp$1jbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>):
>>>
>>> For those who didn't already realise it, this is (almost)
>>> straight from the horse's mouth .. or maybe that should be
>>> ass's mouth ...
>>>
>>> While The Morning Show was lauded for its serious
>>> star power, Foundation was viewed as a far more
>>> challenging project in purely creative terms. The
>>> Isaac Asimov novels on which the eponymous series
>>> was to be based have such a massive scope that
>>> many had tried -and failed -to successfully
>>> adapt them to the screen. Even HBO couldn't crack
>>> that particular nut, and an attempt at a
>>> Foundation series on that network never made it
>>> past the initial concept stages.
>>>
>>> The Apple TV+ series' Executive Producer, David
>>> S. Goyer, solved this problem by taking quite a
>>> few liberties in interpreting the Foundation
>>> novels, to the point where the result is only
>>> loosely based on Asimov's work. To put it
>>> another way, this all takes place in the
>>> Foundation universe, features some of the same
>>> characters and overarching plot points, but
>>> otherwise tells a fundamentally different
>>> narrative.
>>>
>>> The move has alienated some fans of Asimov's
>>> original trilogy, but as long as you're willing
>>> to set that aside and see Foundation as a new
>>> story, perhaps something more akin to fan fiction,
>>> it's an enjoyable show that's both sophisticated
>>> and well put together.
>>>
>>> <https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-teases-season-2-of-founda
>>> tion-with-sever al-new-characters/178960/>
>>
>> were you really expecting anything else?
>>
>> Be thankful that it wasn't Starship Stormtroopers. Or, worse,
>> that anime Lensman atrocity.
>> https://manga.fandom.com/wiki/Lensman_(anime) says, and I
>> quote:
>>
>> "Despite sharing character and organization names, as well as
>> central themes common to the books, heavy artistic license was
>> taken resulting in a final product altogether very different
>> from the source material."
>>
>> No kidding. The 'creative' team behind that Bokonian-influenced
>> abortion was badly in need of some up close and personal
>> attitude. correction from a Valerian space-axe.
>
> That's how Hollywerid works. "Based on" / "adapatations" rarely
> stick to the original

If truth in advertising laws were enforced, they'd have to
advertise it as "Based on the title of a popular book we haven't
read."

--
Terry Austin

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