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Re: Dream Song 14 / John Berryman

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Subject: Re: Dream Song 14 / John Berryman
From: vhugo...@gmail.com (Faraway Star)
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 by: Faraway Star - Sun, 15 Oct 2023 21:31 UTC

Will Dockery wrote:
> Changes wrote:
> > VizantOr* wrote:
>
> > > Life, friends, is boring. We must not say so.
> > > After all, the sky flashes, the great sea yearns,
> > > we ourselves flash and yearn,
> > > and moreover my mother told me as a boy
> > > (repeatingly) 'Ever to confess you're bored
> > > means you have no
> > >
> > > Inner Resources.' I conclude now I have no
> > > inner resources, because I am heavy bored.
> > > Peoples bore me,
> > > literature bores me, especially great literature,
> > > Henry bores me, with his plights & gripes
> > > as bad as achilles,
> > >
> > > who loves people and valiant art, which bores me.
> > > And the tranquil hills, & gin, look like a drag
> > > and somehow a dog
> > > has taken itself & its tail considerably away
> > > into mountains or sea or sky, leaving
> > > behind: me, wag.
> > >
> > > *John Berryman*
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > { ::: http://vizantor.chez.com
> > > ::: http://www.amazon.fr/-/e/B00X62TXC0 }*
> >
> > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/john-berryman
> John Berryman has been a favorite of mine for a few years, after the excellent critic Rick Howe compared my poetry to his, back in 1989:
>
> http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/lwAUsChD/john-berryman-comparison
>
> This is interesting (to me, at least).
>
> I came across this nice quote about my poetry which I will use, that was really insightful and thus a good help.
>
> "In style and temperament, William Dockery's poetry is a little like that of John Berryman - cf., The Dream Songs. A basically sensitive but slightly discombobulated... self, in the way in which a poet like William Dockery understands it, is essentially a myth." -From William Dockery's New Poems (critique by Rick Howe) circa 1989
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/alt.arts.poetry.comments/hCmeK1z1cj4
>
> About John Berryman, from Wikipedia:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Berryman
>
> John Allyn Berryman (October 25, 1914 - January 7, 1972) was an American poet and scholar, born in McAlester, Oklahoma. He was a major figure in American poetry in the second half of the 20th century and was considered a key figure in the Confessional school of poetry, though when he was asked about being a confessional poet, he replied, "with rage and contempt." His best-known work is The Dream Songs.
>
> And... so it goes.

Getting this back on topic..!

Re: Dream Song 14 / John Berryman

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Subject: Re: Dream Song 14 / John Berryman
From: will.doc...@gmail.com (Will Dockery)
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 by: Will Dockery - Mon, 16 Oct 2023 04:00 UTC

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:31:28 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > Changes wrote:
> > > VizantOr* wrote:
> >
> > > > Life, friends, is boring. We must not say so.
> > > > After all, the sky flashes, the great sea yearns,
> > > > we ourselves flash and yearn,
> > > > and moreover my mother told me as a boy
> > > > (repeatingly) 'Ever to confess you're bored
> > > > means you have no
> > > >
> > > > Inner Resources.' I conclude now I have no
> > > > inner resources, because I am heavy bored.
> > > > Peoples bore me,
> > > > literature bores me, especially great literature,
> > > > Henry bores me, with his plights & gripes
> > > > as bad as achilles,
> > > >
> > > > who loves people and valiant art, which bores me.
> > > > And the tranquil hills, & gin, look like a drag
> > > > and somehow a dog
> > > > has taken itself & its tail considerably away
> > > > into mountains or sea or sky, leaving
> > > > behind: me, wag.
> > > >
> > > > *John Berryman*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > { ::: http://vizantor.chez.com
> > > > ::: http://www.amazon.fr/-/e/B00X62TXC0 }*
> > >
> > > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/john-berryman
> > John Berryman has been a favorite of mine for a few years, after the excellent critic Rick Howe compared my poetry to his, back in 1989:
> >
> > http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/lwAUsChD/john-berryman-comparison
> >
> > This is interesting (to me, at least).
> >
> > I came across this nice quote about my poetry which I will use, that was really insightful and thus a good help.
> >
> > "In style and temperament, William Dockery's poetry is a little like that of John Berryman - cf., The Dream Songs. A basically sensitive but slightly discombobulated... self, in the way in which a poet like William Dockery understands it, is essentially a myth." -From William Dockery's New Poems (critique by Rick Howe) circa 1989
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/alt.arts.poetry.comments/hCmeK1z1cj4
> >
> > About John Berryman, from Wikipedia:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Berryman
> >
> > John Allyn Berryman (October 25, 1914 - January 7, 1972) was an American poet and scholar, born in McAlester, Oklahoma. He was a major figure in American poetry in the second half of the 20th century and was considered a key figure in the Confessional school of poetry, though when he was asked about being a confessional poet, he replied, "with rage and contempt." His best-known work is The Dream Songs.
> >
> > And... so it goes.
>
> Getting this back on topic..!

Although Michael Pendragon keeps trying to turn it into an attack thread

Sure doesn't look like a man who wants peace, does it?

😃

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