October 17 is Black Poetry Day.

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)

David Dalton wrote:
>
> October 17 is Black Poetry Day.

This is the poem I thought of yesterday when we (Dan Barfield and I) talked about the transition from the Jimmy Carter era to Ronald Reagan era.

The poet Gil Scott Heron:

https://youtu.be/j4F2U4fPoyo?si=hr4h4KTsA-qY7rZp

David Dalton wrote:

> October 17 is Black Poetry Day.

I'll add one by one of the greatest... Ahmos Zu-Bolton....

~~~~
I speak to him from miles away,

from the cell next door and

lightyears away,

from motherlands and the fertile earth

our Mississippi father plowed:
~~~~

Read more at ~~~:
https://aprweb.org/poems/ravis

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
>
> --
> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)

Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?

I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."

Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."

Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.

I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.

Michael Pendragon
"'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
-- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering

General-Zod wrote:

> David Dalton wrote:

>> October 17 is Black Poetry Day.

> I'll add one by one of the greatest... Ahmos Zu-Bolton....

> ~~~~
> I speak to him from miles away,

> from the cell next door and

> lightyears away,

> from motherlands and the fertile earth

> our Mississippi father plowed:
> ~~~~

> Read more at ~~~:
> https://aprweb.org/poems/ravis

Good choice, Zod.

On Oct 17, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
(in article<66298b4a-e8c7-4396-8e71-ccb33af8983an@googlegroups.com>):

> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:

>
> > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
>
> Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
>
> I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole
> their work into a specific "type."
>
> Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on
> white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
>
> Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry
> of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
>
> I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day"
> instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry
> into some racially determined niche.

From a google of Black Poets Day:

"October 17 is annually recognized as Black Poetry Day to honor the
contributions of Black poets and writers throughout this country's history,
both past and present. With that in mind, we've gathered a number of
resources for you to check out to celebrate Black Poetry Day."
https://americanwritersmuseum.org/black-poetry-day-resources/

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)

General-Zod wrote:

> David Dalton wrote:
>
>> October 17 is Black Poetry Day.

> I'll add one by one of the greatest... Ahmos Zu-Bolton....

> ~~~~
> I speak to him from miles away,

> from the cell next door and

> lightyears away,

> from motherlands and the fertile earth

> our Mississippi father plowed:
> ~~~~

> Read more at ~~~:
> https://aprweb.org/poems/ravis

Good find.

More from Ahmed Zu-Bolton:

"I don't want to mount Pegasus,
I want to mount the air
which he flies through."

-Ahmos Zu-Bolton aka Blackjack Moses, May 1976

https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304/permalink/5190074841041819/

***

Zod wrote:

> David Dalton wrote:
>
>>> October 17 is Black Poetry Day.

>> I'll add one by one of the greatest... Ahmos Zu-Bolton....

>> ~~~~
>> I speak to him from miles away,

>> from the cell next door and

>> lightyears away,

>> from motherlands and the fertile earth

>> our Mississippi father plowed:
>> ~~~~

>> Read more at ~~~:
>> https://aprweb.org/poems/ravis

Again, good find, Zod.

More from Ahmed Zu-Bolton:

"I don't want to mount Pegasus,
I want to mount the air
which he flies through."

-Ahmos Zu-Bolton aka Blackjack Moses, May 1976

> https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304/permalink/5190074841041819/

Better resolution view, Ahmos Zu-Bolton in Columbus Georgia in 1976:

https://imgur.com/gallery/f4cyMMm

***

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> >
> > --
> > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
>
> I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
>
> Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
>
> Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
>
> I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
>
> Michael Pendragon
> "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering

I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry...poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> > >
> > > --
> > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> > Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
> >
> > I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
> >
> > Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
> >
> > Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
> >
> > I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
> >
> > Michael Pendragon
> > "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> > -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering
> I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry....poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.
>

I'm glad that you agree, Rachel. And, no, I didn't intend my post to be a flame.

The idea that "Black Poetry" referred to poetry with a (very) dark theme occurred to me as well -- especially since a large portion of my own poetry would fall under such a category.

And with Halloween coming, a Dark Poetry Day would be most appropriate.

Michael Pendragon
“You invented the unspeakable shit called
duckrish because English is beyond you and now you seem to be having
trouble understanding your own mangled language.”
-- Rob Evans to Will Dockery

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > > > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > > > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> > > Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
> > >
> > > I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
> > >
> > > Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
> > >
> > > Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
> > >
> > > I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
> > >
> > > Michael Pendragon
> > > "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> > > -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering
> > I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry....poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.
> >
> I'm glad that you agree, Rachel. And, no, I didn't intend my post to be a flame.
>
> The idea that "Black Poetry" referred to poetry with a (very) dark theme occurred to me as well -- especially since a large portion of my own poetry would fall under such a category.
>
> And with Halloween coming, a Dark Poetry Day would be most appropriate.
>
>
> Michael Pendragon
> “You invented the unspeakable shit called
> duckrish because English is beyond you and now you seem to be having
> trouble understanding your own mangled language.”
> -- Rob Evans to Will Dockery

no, come on....halloween is meant to be fictional....for kids.....it's a celebratory holiday, not about real darkness and evil....

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:51:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > > > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > > > > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > > > > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> > > > Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
> > > >
> > > > I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
> > > >
> > > > Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
> > > >
> > > > Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
> > > >
> > > > I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
> > > >
> > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> > > > -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering
> > > I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry...poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.
> > >
> > I'm glad that you agree, Rachel. And, no, I didn't intend my post to be a flame.
> >
> > The idea that "Black Poetry" referred to poetry with a (very) dark theme occurred to me as well -- especially since a large portion of my own poetry would fall under such a category.
> >
> > And with Halloween coming, a Dark Poetry Day would be most appropriate.
> >
> >
> > Michael Pendragon
> > “You invented the unspeakable shit called
> > duckrish because English is beyond you and now you seem to be having
> > trouble understanding your own mangled language.”
> > -- Rob Evans to Will Dockery
> no, come on....halloween is meant to be fictional....for kids.....it's a celebratory holiday, not about real darkness and evil....

Halloween (a.k.a., Samhain) marks the end of the Pagan year. It's on Halloween night that the doors between this world and the next open, allowing all those who died over the course of the year to pass into the land of the dead.

It's neither for children, nor fictional.

Nor is it about real evil -- as the souls of the good and bad alike must pass to the "other side."

It is, however, decidedly dark.

Michael Pendragon
“Oh, don't be silly.
Dockery's trademark is a turd with a liplock on it.
(You've seen his other ‘drawings.’ It only /looks like/ he's
sucking cock.)”
-- Dennis M. Hammes on Will Dockery.

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:02:40 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:51:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > > > > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > > > > > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > > > > > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> > > > > Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
> > > > >
> > > > > I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
> > > > >
> > > > > Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
> > > > >
> > > > > Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
> > > > >
> > > > > I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> > > > > -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering
> > > > I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry...poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.
> > > >
> > > I'm glad that you agree, Rachel. And, no, I didn't intend my post to be a flame.
> > >
> > > The idea that "Black Poetry" referred to poetry with a (very) dark theme occurred to me as well -- especially since a large portion of my own poetry would fall under such a category.
> > >
> > > And with Halloween coming, a Dark Poetry Day would be most appropriate.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Pendragon
> > > “You invented the unspeakable shit called
> > > duckrish because English is beyond you and now you seem to be having
> > > trouble understanding your own mangled language.”
> > > -- Rob Evans to Will Dockery
> > no, come on....halloween is meant to be fictional....for kids.....it's a celebratory holiday, not about real darkness and evil....
> Halloween (a.k.a., Samhain) marks the end of the Pagan year. It's on Halloween night that the doors between this world and the next open, allowing all those who died over the course of the year to pass into the land of the dead.
>
> It's neither for children, nor fictional.
>
> Nor is it about real evil -- as the souls of the good and bad alike must pass to the "other side."
>
> It is, however, decidedly dark.
>
>
> Michael Pendragon
> “Oh, don't be silly.
> Dockery's trademark is a turd with a liplock on it.
> (You've seen his other ‘drawings.’ It only /looks like/ he's
> sucking cock.)”
> -- Dennis M. Hammes on Will Dockery.

is this how the date was chosen for the national holiday, based on a pagan event occurring on this night?

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:15:48 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:02:40 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:51:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > > > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > > > > > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > > > > > > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > > > > > > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> > > > > > Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> > > > > > -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering
> > > > > I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry...poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it.... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.
> > > > >
> > > > I'm glad that you agree, Rachel. And, no, I didn't intend my post to be a flame.
> > > >
> > > > The idea that "Black Poetry" referred to poetry with a (very) dark theme occurred to me as well -- especially since a large portion of my own poetry would fall under such a category.
> > > >
> > > > And with Halloween coming, a Dark Poetry Day would be most appropriate.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > “You invented the unspeakable shit called
> > > > duckrish because English is beyond you and now you seem to be having
> > > > trouble understanding your own mangled language.”
> > > > -- Rob Evans to Will Dockery
> > > no, come on....halloween is meant to be fictional....for kids.....it's a celebratory holiday, not about real darkness and evil....
> > Halloween (a.k.a., Samhain) marks the end of the Pagan year. It's on Halloween night that the doors between this world and the next open, allowing all those who died over the course of the year to pass into the land of the dead.
> >
> > It's neither for children, nor fictional.
> >
> > Nor is it about real evil -- as the souls of the good and bad alike must pass to the "other side."
> >
> > It is, however, decidedly dark.
> >
> >
> > Michael Pendragon
> > “Oh, don't be silly.
> > Dockery's trademark is a turd with a liplock on it.
> > (You've seen his other ‘drawings.’ It only /looks like/ he's
> > sucking cock.)”
> > -- Dennis M. Hammes on Will Dockery.
> is this how the date was chosen for the national holiday, based on a pagan event occurring on this night?

Pretty much all of our holidays were appropriated form Pagan traditions.

Michael Pendragon
"Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........."
-- George "Stink" Sulzbach, career pissbum

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:18:27 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:15:48 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:02:40 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:51:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > > > > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > > > > > > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > > > > > > > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > > > > > > > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> > > > > > > Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> > > > > > > -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering
> > > > > > I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry...poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it.... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > I'm glad that you agree, Rachel. And, no, I didn't intend my post to be a flame.
> > > > >
> > > > > The idea that "Black Poetry" referred to poetry with a (very) dark theme occurred to me as well -- especially since a large portion of my own poetry would fall under such a category.
> > > > >
> > > > > And with Halloween coming, a Dark Poetry Day would be most appropriate.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > “You invented the unspeakable shit called
> > > > > duckrish because English is beyond you and now you seem to be having
> > > > > trouble understanding your own mangled language.”
> > > > > -- Rob Evans to Will Dockery
> > > > no, come on....halloween is meant to be fictional....for kids.....it's a celebratory holiday, not about real darkness and evil....
> > > Halloween (a.k.a., Samhain) marks the end of the Pagan year. It's on Halloween night that the doors between this world and the next open, allowing all those who died over the course of the year to pass into the land of the dead.
> > >
> > > It's neither for children, nor fictional.
> > >
> > > Nor is it about real evil -- as the souls of the good and bad alike must pass to the "other side."
> > >
> > > It is, however, decidedly dark.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Pendragon
> > > “Oh, don't be silly.
> > > Dockery's trademark is a turd with a liplock on it.
> > > (You've seen his other ‘drawings.’ It only /looks like/ he's
> > > sucking cock.)”
> > > -- Dennis M. Hammes on Will Dockery.
> > is this how the date was chosen for the national holiday, based on a pagan event occurring on this night?
> Pretty much all of our holidays were appropriated form Pagan traditions.
>
>
> Michael Pendragon
> "Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........."
> -- George "Stink" Sulzbach, career pissbum

that's true, we all stand on the shoulders of giants, nobody or nothing is truly unique and original, is it?

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:02:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:51:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > > > > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > > > > > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > > > > > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> > > > > Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
> > > > >
> > > > > I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
> > > > >
> > > > > Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
> > > > >
> > > > > Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
> > > > >
> > > > > I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> > > > > -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering
> > > > I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry...poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.
> > > >
> > > I'm glad that you agree, Rachel. And, no, I didn't intend my post to be a flame.
> > >
> > > The idea that "Black Poetry" referred to poetry with a (very) dark theme occurred to me as well -- especially since a large portion of my own poetry would fall under such a category.
> > >
> > > And with Halloween coming, a Dark Poetry Day would be most appropriate.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Pendragon
> > > “You invented the unspeakable shit called
> > > duckrish because English is beyond you and now you seem to be having
> > > trouble understanding your own mangled language.”
> > > -- Rob Evans to Will Dockery
> > no, come on....halloween is meant to be fictional....for kids.....it's a celebratory holiday, not about real darkness and evil....
> Halloween (a.k.a., Samhain) marks the end of the Pagan year. It's on Halloween night that the doors between this world and the next open, allowing all those who died over the course of the year to pass into the land of the dead.
>
> It's neither for children, nor fictional.
>
> Nor is it about real evil -- as the souls of the good and bad alike must pass to the "other side."
>
> It is, however, decidedly dark.
>
>
Agreed. If Samhain is fictional, then it's as fictional as any Jewish, or any other's Faiths, sacred days; as fictional as the tenets and special days of the Seculars...

As I was told that the Creator created everyone, so I can only assume that He has also spoken to them all and provided Faiths unique to each different tribe to follow. No signs or smiting required, the Creator has spoken to me also. It is easy to hear Them when one uses the Divinely given common sense and understands the rationale of virtuous words apparent, if one truly sees the Reality of existence. And this is what I heard:
People of different Ways of being aren't a menace to other's Churches and Society when compared to the intolerance of those who would use their Churches and Society to persecute them.
~~ Ash on This and That Controversial Crap

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:22:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:18:27 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:15:48 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:02:40 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:51:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > > > > > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > > > > > > > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > > > > > > > > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > > > > > > > > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> > > > > > > > Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > > "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> > > > > > > > -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering
> > > > > > > I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry...poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm glad that you agree, Rachel. And, no, I didn't intend my post to be a flame.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The idea that "Black Poetry" referred to poetry with a (very) dark theme occurred to me as well -- especially since a large portion of my own poetry would fall under such a category.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And with Halloween coming, a Dark Poetry Day would be most appropriate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > “You invented the unspeakable shit called
> > > > > > duckrish because English is beyond you and now you seem to be having
> > > > > > trouble understanding your own mangled language.”
> > > > > > -- Rob Evans to Will Dockery
> > > > > no, come on....halloween is meant to be fictional....for kids......it's a celebratory holiday, not about real darkness and evil....
> > > > Halloween (a.k.a., Samhain) marks the end of the Pagan year. It's on Halloween night that the doors between this world and the next open, allowing all those who died over the course of the year to pass into the land of the dead.
> > > >
> > > > It's neither for children, nor fictional.
> > > >
> > > > Nor is it about real evil -- as the souls of the good and bad alike must pass to the "other side."
> > > >
> > > > It is, however, decidedly dark.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > “Oh, don't be silly.
> > > > Dockery's trademark is a turd with a liplock on it.
> > > > (You've seen his other ‘drawings.’ It only /looks like/ he's
> > > > sucking cock.)”
> > > > -- Dennis M. Hammes on Will Dockery.
> > > is this how the date was chosen for the national holiday, based on a pagan event occurring on this night?
> > Pretty much all of our holidays were appropriated form Pagan traditions..
> >
> >
> > Michael Pendragon
> > "Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........."
> > -- George "Stink" Sulzbach, career pissbum
> that's true, we all stand on the shoulders of giants, nobody or nothing is truly unique and original, is it?

There is no new thing under the sun”- book of Ecclesiastates

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:52:22 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:22:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:18:27 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:15:48 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:02:40 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:51:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > > > > > > > > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > > > > > > > > > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > > > > > > > > > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> > > > > > > > > Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > > > "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> > > > > > > > > -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering
> > > > > > > > I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry...poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm glad that you agree, Rachel. And, no, I didn't intend my post to be a flame.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The idea that "Black Poetry" referred to poetry with a (very) dark theme occurred to me as well -- especially since a large portion of my own poetry would fall under such a category.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And with Halloween coming, a Dark Poetry Day would be most appropriate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > “You invented the unspeakable shit called
> > > > > > > duckrish because English is beyond you and now you seem to be having
> > > > > > > trouble understanding your own mangled language.”
> > > > > > > -- Rob Evans to Will Dockery
> > > > > > no, come on....halloween is meant to be fictional....for kids......it's a celebratory holiday, not about real darkness and evil....
> > > > > Halloween (a.k.a., Samhain) marks the end of the Pagan year. It's on Halloween night that the doors between this world and the next open, allowing all those who died over the course of the year to pass into the land of the dead.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's neither for children, nor fictional.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nor is it about real evil -- as the souls of the good and bad alike must pass to the "other side."
> > > > >
> > > > > It is, however, decidedly dark.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > “Oh, don't be silly.
> > > > > Dockery's trademark is a turd with a liplock on it.
> > > > > (You've seen his other ‘drawings.’ It only /looks like/ he's
> > > > > sucking cock.)”
> > > > > -- Dennis M. Hammes on Will Dockery.
> > > > is this how the date was chosen for the national holiday, based on a pagan event occurring on this night?
> > > Pretty much all of our holidays were appropriated form Pagan traditions.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Pendragon
> > > "Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........"
> > > -- George "Stink" Sulzbach, career pissbum
> > that's true, we all stand on the shoulders of giants, nobody or nothing is truly unique and original, is it?
> There is no new thing under the sun”- book of Ecclesiastates

Certainly not in any of your posts.

Hola, Jordy. Good afternoon.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael Pendragon
"how nice. you can insult people on Usenet! what a feet!"
-- Isaac "Jordy" Chase, ped fetishist

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> > >
> > > --
> > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> > Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
> >
> > I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
> >
> > Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
> >
> > Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
> >
> > I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
> >
> > Michael Pendragon
> > "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> > -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering
> I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry....poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.

Also agreed, it should be Black Poets Day, because Black Poetry is too vague and leaves too much room for interpretation by the uninitiated-- is it a day for poetry for the color black? Titles need to convey exactly what they're supposed to mean.
There is a Poet's Day, August 21-- just saying...

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:52:22 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:22:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:18:27 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:15:48 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:02:40 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:51:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > > > > > > > > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > > > > > > > > > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > > > > > > > > > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> > > > > > > > > Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > > > "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> > > > > > > > > -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering
> > > > > > > > I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry...poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm glad that you agree, Rachel. And, no, I didn't intend my post to be a flame.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The idea that "Black Poetry" referred to poetry with a (very) dark theme occurred to me as well -- especially since a large portion of my own poetry would fall under such a category.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And with Halloween coming, a Dark Poetry Day would be most appropriate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > “You invented the unspeakable shit called
> > > > > > > duckrish because English is beyond you and now you seem to be having
> > > > > > > trouble understanding your own mangled language.”
> > > > > > > -- Rob Evans to Will Dockery
> > > > > > no, come on....halloween is meant to be fictional....for kids......it's a celebratory holiday, not about real darkness and evil....
> > > > > Halloween (a.k.a., Samhain) marks the end of the Pagan year. It's on Halloween night that the doors between this world and the next open, allowing all those who died over the course of the year to pass into the land of the dead.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's neither for children, nor fictional.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nor is it about real evil -- as the souls of the good and bad alike must pass to the "other side."
> > > > >
> > > > > It is, however, decidedly dark.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > “Oh, don't be silly.
> > > > > Dockery's trademark is a turd with a liplock on it.
> > > > > (You've seen his other ‘drawings.’ It only /looks like/ he's
> > > > > sucking cock.)”
> > > > > -- Dennis M. Hammes on Will Dockery.
> > > > is this how the date was chosen for the national holiday, based on a pagan event occurring on this night?
> > > Pretty much all of our holidays were appropriated form Pagan traditions.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Pendragon
> > > "Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........"
> > > -- George "Stink" Sulzbach, career pissbum
> > that's true, we all stand on the shoulders of giants, nobody or nothing is truly unique and original, is it?
> There is no new thing under the sun”- book of Ecclesiastates

Yes, there is-- new variations of our suffering with each new miserable day.. It seems to me, that in practice, this great miracle that has placed us here, just seems to be to assist each other in our suffering. So yes, there can be new holidays, each and every day we can make a holiday out of our suffering.

O life with the sad seared face,
I weary of seeing thee,
And thy draggled cloak, and thy hobbling pace,
And thy too-forced pleasantry!

I know what thou would'st tell
Of Death, Time, Destiny -
I have known it long, and know, too, well
What it all means for me.

But canst thou not array
Thyself in rare disguise,
And feign like truth, for one mad day,
That Earth is Paradise?

I'll tune me to the mood,
And mumm with thee till eve;
And maybe what as interlude
I feign, I shall believe!
"To Life" Thomas Hardy

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 6:52:22 PM UTC, Jordy C wrote:

> There is no new thing under the sun”- book of Ecclesiastates

Jordy's Uncle, please go back to school and learn to spell: "Book of Ecclesiastes"

Will Dockery wrote:

> Zod wrote:

>> David Dalton wrote:
>>
>>>> October 17 is Black Poetry Day.

>>> I'll add one by one of the greatest... Ahmos Zu-Bolton....

>>> ~~~~
>>> I speak to him from miles away,

>>> from the cell next door and

>>> lightyears away,

>>> from motherlands and the fertile earth

>>> our Mississippi father plowed:
>>> ~~~~

>>> Read more at ~~~:
>>> https://aprweb.org/poems/ravis

> Again, good find, Zod.

> More from Ahmed Zu-Bolton:

> "I don't want to mount Pegasus,
> I want to mount the air
> which he flies through."

> -Ahmos Zu-Bolton aka Blackjack Moses, May 1976

>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304/permalink/5190074841041819/

> Better resolution view, Ahmos Zu-Bolton in Columbus Georgia in 1976:

> https://imgur.com/gallery/f4cyMMm

> ***

Quite cool, glad that debate has been settled at last..!

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:52:22 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:22:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:18:27 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:15:48 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:02:40 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:51:30 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:48:20 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > > > > > > > > "So tell me, tell me, tell me; Why it makes you cry; It was your first time
> > > > > > > > > > in the sun; Once burned, twice shy; It's come around again; Did it
> > > > > > > > > > really hurt so bad; You'd let it pass you by?” (Noel Dinn/Figgy Duff)
> > > > > > > > > Is "Black Poetry" an actual category/genre?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I shouldn't think that a writer's ethnicity would be a reason to pigeonhole their work into a specific "type."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Traditionally, written poetry comprises black letters written or printed on white paper, and could therefore be considered "colorless."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nor does one need to be of African-American descent to appreciate the poetry of Langston Hughes or Paul Laurence Dunbar.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I therefore propose that we refer to October 17th as "Black Poets Day" instead -- celebrating the writers as opposed to pigeonholing their poetry into some racially determined niche.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > > > "'Cujo' does not know Hebrew, but is a cyberstaslker.does not even know Hebrew."
> > > > > > > > > -- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering
> > > > > > > > I hope this isn't a flame...but I agree with this post. I actually wasn't even certain, I thought perhaps it meant Black Poetry, as in dark poetry...poetry with a morbid theme...such as in cinema there is Film Noir (which which I am in no way familiar as a genre, however I've heard of it... :-/// (sorry, hope that's not embarrassing, Robert)) I googled it, not so sure by who's definition comes the list I got, I don't think it's a traditional academic list. ( :-( ), but I've seen and liked a number of them, but there are also a few on it that I have tried a couple times, and never could get into and like, and watch the whole thing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm glad that you agree, Rachel. And, no, I didn't intend my post to be a flame.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The idea that "Black Poetry" referred to poetry with a (very) dark theme occurred to me as well -- especially since a large portion of my own poetry would fall under such a category.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And with Halloween coming, a Dark Poetry Day would be most appropriate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > “You invented the unspeakable shit called
> > > > > > > duckrish because English is beyond you and now you seem to be having
> > > > > > > trouble understanding your own mangled language.”
> > > > > > > -- Rob Evans to Will Dockery
> > > > > > no, come on....halloween is meant to be fictional....for kids......it's a celebratory holiday, not about real darkness and evil....
> > > > > Halloween (a.k.a., Samhain) marks the end of the Pagan year. It's on Halloween night that the doors between this world and the next open, allowing all those who died over the course of the year to pass into the land of the dead.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's neither for children, nor fictional.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nor is it about real evil -- as the souls of the good and bad alike must pass to the "other side."
> > > > >
> > > > > It is, however, decidedly dark.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > > “Oh, don't be silly.
> > > > > Dockery's trademark is a turd with a liplock on it.
> > > > > (You've seen his other ‘drawings.’ It only /looks like/ he's
> > > > > sucking cock.)”
> > > > > -- Dennis M. Hammes on Will Dockery.
> > > > is this how the date was chosen for the national holiday, based on a pagan event occurring on this night?
> > > Pretty much all of our holidays were appropriated form Pagan traditions.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Pendragon
> > > "Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........"
> > > -- George "Stink" Sulzbach, career pissbum
> > that's true, we all stand on the shoulders of giants, nobody or nothing is truly unique and original, is it?
> There is no new thing under the sun”- book of Ecclesiastates

*sigh* So simpleton that is stupefies the imagination into stagnant inanity..
Everything is futile...

Vanity of vanities, said the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
What advantage is there to a man in all his labour that he takes under the sun?
A generation goes, and a generation comes: but the earth stands for ever.
And the sun arises, and the sun goes down and draws toward its place;
arising there it proceeds southward, and goes round toward the north. The wind goes round and round, and the wind returns to its circuits.
All the rivers run into the sea; and yet the sea is not filled: to the place whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
All things are full of labour; a man will not be able to speak of them: neither shall the eye be satisfied with seeing, neither shall the ear be filled with hearing.
What is that which has been? The very thing which shall be: and what is that which has been done? The very thing which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Who is he that shall speak and say, 'Behold, this is new?' It has already been in the ages that have passed before us.
There is no memorial to the first things; neither to the things that have been last shall their memorial be with them that shall at the last time.

-- Ecclesiastes 1, Brenton's Septuagint Translation

On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 16:40:19 UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Zod wrote:
>
> >> David Dalton wrote:
> >>
> >>>> October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
>
> >>> I'll add one by one of the greatest... Ahmos Zu-Bolton....
>
> >>> ~~~~
> >>> I speak to him from miles away,
>
> >>> from the cell next door and
>
> >>> lightyears away,
>
> >>> from motherlands and the fertile earth
>
> >>> our Mississippi father plowed:
> >>> ~~~~
>
>
> >>> Read more at ~~~:
> >>> https://aprweb.org/poems/ravis
>
> > Again, good find, Zod.
>
> > More from Ahmed Zu-Bolton:
>
> > "I don't want to mount Pegasus,
> > I want to mount the air
> > which he flies through."
>
> > -Ahmos Zu-Bolton aka Blackjack Moses, May 1976
>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304/permalink/5190074841041819/
>
>
>
> > Better resolution view, Ahmos Zu-Bolton in Columbus Georgia in 1976:
>
> > https://imgur.com/gallery/f4cyMMm
>
> > ***
> Quite cool, glad that debate has been settled at last..!

Shut the fuck up, tod…..

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 4:40:19 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Zod wrote:
>
> >> David Dalton wrote:
> >>
> >>>> October 17 is Black Poetry Day.
>
> >>> I'll add one by one of the greatest... Ahmos Zu-Bolton....
>
> >>> ~~~~
> >>> I speak to him from miles away,
>
> >>> from the cell next door and
>
> >>> lightyears away,
>
> >>> from motherlands and the fertile earth
>
> >>> our Mississippi father plowed:
> >>> ~~~~
>
>
> >>> Read more at ~~~:
> >>> https://aprweb.org/poems/ravis
>
> > Again, good find, Zod.
>
> > More from Ahmed Zu-Bolton:
>
> > "I don't want to mount Pegasus,
> > I want to mount the air
> > which he flies through."
>
> > -Ahmos Zu-Bolton aka Blackjack Moses, May 1976
>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304/permalink/5190074841041819/
>
>
>
> > Better resolution view, Ahmos Zu-Bolton in Columbus Georgia in 1976:
>
> > https://imgur.com/gallery/f4cyMMm
>
> > ***
> Quite cool, glad that debate has been settled at last..!

Exactly.

😃