On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 9:15:53 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 7:35:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1..00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman.. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar.. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck.. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off.. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet.. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> > >
> > > <forgery and trolling snipped>
> > >
> > >>> Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guideline.
> > >
> > >> Hope you're having a nice autumn day, Jordy.
> > >
> > > hola Mr Will
> >
> > Good evening, my friend.
> >
>
> bonjour, Will

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 12:11:58 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 9:15:53 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 7:35:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1..00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman.. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar.. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck.. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off.. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion.. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> > > >
> > > > <forgery and trolling snipped>
> > > >
> > > >>> Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guideline.
> > > >
> > > >> Hope you're having a nice autumn day, Jordy.
> > > >
> > > > hola Mr Will
> > >
> > > Good evening, my friend.
> > >
> >
> > bonjour, Will
>
> Hello again, Jordy.
>
> 😃
Shalom Will

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:53:51 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 12:11:58 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 9:15:53 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 7:35:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1..00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman.. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants.. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar.. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck.. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off.. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> > > > >
> > > > > <forgery and trolling snipped>
> > > > >
> > > > >>> Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guideline.
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hope you're having a nice autumn day, Jordy.
> > > > >
> > > > > hola Mr Will
> > > >
> > > > Good evening, my friend.
> > > >
> > >
> > > bonjour, Will
> >
> > Hello again, Jordy.
> >
> > 😃
> Shalom Will

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:40:27 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:22:08 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google..com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google..com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive..com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads.. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town.. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike....
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed and when xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begone, forging fool...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how young? and for how long? and how did it end?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know i did one-night stands at age 13 with older young men...it was hot. the older the hotter..... :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a forging troll, Rachel, pay him no mind...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is all...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The skip and ignore policy is probably the best move here, actually.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guidelin
>
> > Good day to you JC....!!
> hello there, FS

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:59:13 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:40:27 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:22:08 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google..com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google..com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive..com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads.. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town.. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed and when xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begone, forging fool...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how young? and for how long? and how did it end?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know i did one-night stands at age 13 with older young men...it was hot. the older the hotter..... :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a forging troll, Rachel, pay him no mind...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is all...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The skip and ignore policy is probably the best move here, actually.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guidelin
> >
> > > Good day to you JC....!!
> > hello there, FS
> How'd do...?

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:56:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:43:27 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
>
> > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> > :
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> >
> > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> >
> > > From Dan Barfield:
> > >
> > > "The earth runs
> > > through my veins
> > > Deep and black
> > > ancient memories
> > > ancient magic
> > > ...I am the reason
> > > you fear the darkness
> > > I am
> > > the darkness"
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.

Hi Doc yes it is a good time capsule to that era of poetry....!

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:56:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:43:27 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> >
> > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> > > :
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > >
> > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > >
> > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > >
> > > > "The earth runs
> > > > through my veins
> > > > Deep and black
> > > > ancient memories
> > > > ancient magic
> > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > I am
> > > > the darkness"
> > >
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> Hi Doc yes it is a good time capsule to that era of poetry....!

I AM THE SHITSTAIN

The shit runs
down my legs
Deep and black
last night's dumpster fare
rancid tuna
....I am the reason
you pinch your nostrils
I am
the shitstain.

-- George J. "Shitstain" Sulzbach III

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 1:32:36 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 2:35:55 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 2:33:45 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
> > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
> > > > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity.. The water
> > > > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art..
> > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
> > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
> > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
>
> Quite interesting piece of small press history.

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:53:51 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 12:11:58 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 9:15:53 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 7:35:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1..00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman.. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants.. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar.. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck.. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off.. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> > > > >
> > > > > <forgery and trolling snipped>
> > > > >
> > > > >>> Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guideline.
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hope you're having a nice autumn day, Jordy.
> > > > >
> > > > > hola Mr Will
> > > >
> > > > Good evening, my friend.
> > > >
> > >
> > > bonjour, Will
> >
> > Hello again, Jordy.
> >
>
> Shalom Will

Jordy wrote:
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 4:11:05 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Jordy wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1..00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman.. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged.. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar.. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck.. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off.. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <forgery and trolling snipped>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>> Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guideline.
>
>> Hope you're having a nice autumn day, Jordy.
>
> Shalom Will

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:40:27 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:22:08 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google..com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google..com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive..com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads.. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town.. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike....
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The skip and ignore policy is probably the best move here, actually.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guidelin
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How do you do there JC...?
> > >
> > > hey there, FS
> >
> > Good day to you JC....!!
> hello there, FS

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:40:27 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:22:08 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google..com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google..com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive..com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads.. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town.. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike....
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed and when xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begone, forging fool...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how young? and for how long? and how did it end?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know i did one-night stands at age 13 with older young men...it was hot. the older the hotter..... :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a forging troll, Rachel, pay him no mind...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is all...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The skip and ignore policy is probably the best move here, actually.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guidelin
>
> > Good day to you JC....!!
> hello there, FS

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 5:12:15 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:40:27 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:22:08 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google..com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google..com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive..com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads.. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town.. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The skip and ignore policy is probably the best move here, actually.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guidelin
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How do you do there JC...?
> > > >
> > > > hey there, FS
> > >
> > > Good day to you JC....!!
> > hello there, FS
> Good day to you JC.....!
hi there, FS

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 5:14:35 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:40:27 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:22:08 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google..com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google..com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive..com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads.. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town.. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed and when xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begone, forging fool...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how young? and for how long? and how did it end?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know i did one-night stands at age 13 with older young men...it was hot. the older the hotter..... :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a forging troll, Rachel, pay him no mind...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is all...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The skip and ignore policy is probably the best move here, actually.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guidelin
> >
> > > Good day to you JC....!!
> > hello there, FS
> Good day JC and... how'd do...?
hi there, FS

On Sunday October 22, 2023 at 2:12:30 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Sunday October 22, 2023 at 6:54:27 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:01:21 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 7:54:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:37:40 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth.. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1..00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman.. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar.. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck.. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off.. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike....
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <forgery and trolling snipped>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guideline.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Hope you're having a nice autumn day, Jordy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > It was 39° here this morning.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > >
> > > > Hello there my friend, hope you're having a nice day.
> > >
> > > bonjour, Will
> > Good morning my friend, great to see you again today.
>
> Shalom Will

On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 9:51:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday October 22, 2023 at 2:12:30 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Sunday October 22, 2023 at 6:54:27 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:01:21 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 7:54:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:37:40 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents.. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1...00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman.. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar.. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck... He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off... Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <forgery and trolling snipped>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guideline.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Hope you're having a nice autumn day, Jordy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > It was 39° here this morning.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > >
> > > > > Hello there my friend, hope you're having a nice day.
> > > >
> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > Good morning my friend, great to see you again today.
> >
> > Shalom Will
>
> Hello there, Jordy.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 9:51:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday October 22, 2023 at 2:12:30 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>> > On Sunday October 22, 2023 at 6:54:27 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:01:21 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>> > > > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 7:54:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:37:40 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents.. In doing so, they raised the page count of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1....00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman.. There was a
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar.. Currently
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck.... He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off.... Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <forgery and trolling snipped>
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guideline.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Hope you're having a nice autumn day, Jordy.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > > It was 39° here this morning.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hello there my friend, hope you're having a nice day.
>> > > >
>> > > > bonjour, Will
>> > > Good morning my friend, great to see you again today.
>> >
>> > Shalom Will
>>
>> Hello there, Jordy.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:25:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 7:43:27 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
>
>> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
>> > > > > > > > :
>> > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
>> > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
>> > > > > > > > > through my veins
>> > > > > > > > > Deep and black
>> > > > > > > > > ancient memories
>> > > > > > > > > ancient magic
>> > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
>> > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
>> > > > > > > > > I am
>> > > > > > > > > the darkness"
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
>> > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
>> > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
>> > > > > > by holy joe
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
>> > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
>> > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
>> > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
>> > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
>> > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
>> > > > > > package of poems and comics.
>> > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
>> > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
>> > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
>> > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
>> > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
>> > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
>> > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
>> > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
>> > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
>> > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
>> > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
>> > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
>> > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
>> > > > > > pages.
>> > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
>> > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
>> > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
>> > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
>> > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
>> > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
>> > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
>> > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
>> > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
>> > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
>> > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
>> > > > > > 1997.
>> > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
>> > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
>> > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
>> > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
>> > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
>> > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
>> > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
>> > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
>> > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
>> > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
>> > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
>> > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
>> > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
>> > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
>> > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
>> > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
>> > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
>> > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
>> > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
>> > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
>> > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
>> > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
>> > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
>> > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
>> > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
>> > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
>> > > > > > me: How?
>> > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
>> > > > > > me: How about to poop?
>> > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
>> > > > > > hole and cover it up.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
>> > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
>> > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
>> > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
>> > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
>> > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
>> > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "The earth runs
>> > > > > > through my veins
>> > > > > > Deep and black
>> > > > > > ancient memories
>> > > > > > ancient magic
>> > > > > > ...I am the reason
>> > > > > > you fear the darkness
>> > > > > > I am
>> > > > > > the darkness"
>> > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "Words shared
>> > > > > > among friends
>> > > > > > ...voice after
>> > > > > > voice echoes
>> > > > > > like feelings"
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
>> > > > > > who keeps making webs
>> > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
>> > > > > > overnight
>> > > > > > webs of immense size
>> > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
>> > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
>> > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
>> > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
>> > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
>> > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
>> > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
>> > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
>> > > > > > but opinions abound
>> > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
>> > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
>> > > > > > probably Amanda
>> > > > > > (I say)
>> > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
>> > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
>> > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
>> > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
>> > > > > > attracted by the warmth
>> > > > > > of your body
>> > > > > > scratch an itch there
>> > > > > > only if you must"
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
>> > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
>> > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
>> > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
>> > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
>> > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
>> > > > > > Island too.
>> > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
>> > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
>> > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
>> > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
>> > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
>> > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
>> > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
>> > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
>> > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
>> > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
>> > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
>> > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
>> > > > > > living in the same locale.
>> > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
>> > > > > "It was the best of times..."
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hell, those days were /all/ pretty good.
>> > > > Yes, nothing like squatting in the vacant "mansion" of an ex-in-law, and pooping in the yard like a dog.
>> > > It was an interesting time, I'll grant you.
>> > It was neither "interesting,"
>> You weren't there.

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 5:50:18 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:25:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 7:43:27 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> >
> >> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> >> > > > > > > > :
> >> > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> >> > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> >> > > > > > > > > through my veins
> >> > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> >> > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> >> > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> >> > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> >> > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> >> > > > > > > > > I am
> >> > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> >> > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> >> > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> >> > > > > > by holy joe
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> >> > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> >> > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> >> > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> >> > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> >> > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> >> > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> >> > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> >> > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> >> > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> >> > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> >> > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> >> > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> >> > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> >> > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> >> > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> >> > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> >> > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> >> > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> >> > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> >> > > > > > pages.
> >> > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> >> > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
> >> > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> >> > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> >> > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> >> > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> >> > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> >> > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> >> > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> >> > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> >> > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> >> > > > > > 1997.
> >> > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> >> > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> >> > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> >> > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> >> > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> >> > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> >> > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> >> > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> >> > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> >> > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> >> > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> >> > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> >> > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> >> > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> >> > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> >> > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> >> > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> >> > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
> >> > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> >> > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> >> > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> >> > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> >> > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> >> > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> >> > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> >> > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> >> > > > > > me: How?
> >> > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> >> > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> >> > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> >> > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> >> > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> >> > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> >> > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> >> > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> >> > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> >> > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > "The earth runs
> >> > > > > > through my veins
> >> > > > > > Deep and black
> >> > > > > > ancient memories
> >> > > > > > ancient magic
> >> > > > > > ...I am the reason
> >> > > > > > you fear the darkness
> >> > > > > > I am
> >> > > > > > the darkness"
> >> > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > "Words shared
> >> > > > > > among friends
> >> > > > > > ...voice after
> >> > > > > > voice echoes
> >> > > > > > like feelings"
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> >> > > > > > who keeps making webs
> >> > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> >> > > > > > overnight
> >> > > > > > webs of immense size
> >> > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> >> > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> >> > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> >> > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> >> > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> >> > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> >> > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> >> > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> >> > > > > > but opinions abound
> >> > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
> >> > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> >> > > > > > probably Amanda
> >> > > > > > (I say)
> >> > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> >> > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> >> > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> >> > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> >> > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> >> > > > > > of your body
> >> > > > > > scratch an itch there
> >> > > > > > only if you must"
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> >> > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> >> > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> >> > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> >> > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> >> > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> >> > > > > > Island too.
> >> > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> >> > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> >> > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> >> > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> >> > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> >> > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> >> > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> >> > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye.. But once you let
> >> > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> >> > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> >> > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> >> > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> >> > > > > > living in the same locale.
> >> > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> >> > > > > "It was the best of times..."
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Hell, those days were /all/ pretty good.
> >> > > > Yes, nothing like squatting in the vacant "mansion" of an ex-in-law, and pooping in the yard like a dog.
> >> > > It was an interesting time, I'll grant you.
> >> > It was neither "interesting,"
> >> You weren't there.
>
> No, and even if Penhead was he'd have had his head too far up his arse to even know where he was ... ha ha.

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 5:50:18 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:25:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 7:43:27 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> >
> >> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> >> > > > > > > > :
> >> > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> >> > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> >> > > > > > > > > through my veins
> >> > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> >> > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> >> > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> >> > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> >> > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> >> > > > > > > > > I am
> >> > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> >> > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> >> > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> >> > > > > > by holy joe
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> >> > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> >> > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> >> > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> >> > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> >> > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> >> > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> >> > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> >> > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> >> > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> >> > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> >> > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> >> > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> >> > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> >> > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> >> > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> >> > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> >> > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> >> > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> >> > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> >> > > > > > pages.
> >> > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> >> > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
> >> > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> >> > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> >> > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> >> > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> >> > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> >> > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> >> > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> >> > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> >> > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> >> > > > > > 1997.
> >> > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> >> > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> >> > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> >> > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> >> > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> >> > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> >> > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> >> > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> >> > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> >> > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> >> > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> >> > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> >> > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> >> > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> >> > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> >> > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> >> > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> >> > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
> >> > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> >> > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> >> > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> >> > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> >> > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> >> > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> >> > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> >> > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> >> > > > > > me: How?
> >> > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> >> > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> >> > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> >> > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> >> > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> >> > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> >> > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> >> > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> >> > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> >> > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > "The earth runs
> >> > > > > > through my veins
> >> > > > > > Deep and black
> >> > > > > > ancient memories
> >> > > > > > ancient magic
> >> > > > > > ...I am the reason
> >> > > > > > you fear the darkness
> >> > > > > > I am
> >> > > > > > the darkness"
> >> > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > "Words shared
> >> > > > > > among friends
> >> > > > > > ...voice after
> >> > > > > > voice echoes
> >> > > > > > like feelings"
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> >> > > > > > who keeps making webs
> >> > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> >> > > > > > overnight
> >> > > > > > webs of immense size
> >> > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> >> > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> >> > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> >> > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> >> > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> >> > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> >> > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> >> > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> >> > > > > > but opinions abound
> >> > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
> >> > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> >> > > > > > probably Amanda
> >> > > > > > (I say)
> >> > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> >> > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> >> > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> >> > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> >> > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> >> > > > > > of your body
> >> > > > > > scratch an itch there
> >> > > > > > only if you must"
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> >> > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> >> > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> >> > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> >> > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> >> > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> >> > > > > > Island too.
> >> > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> >> > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> >> > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> >> > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> >> > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> >> > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> >> > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> >> > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye.. But once you let
> >> > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> >> > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> >> > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> >> > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> >> > > > > > living in the same locale.
> >> > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> >> > > > > "It was the best of times..."
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Hell, those days were /all/ pretty good.
> >> > > > Yes, nothing like squatting in the vacant "mansion" of an ex-in-law, and pooping in the yard like a dog.
> >> > > It was an interesting time, I'll grant you.
> >> > It was neither "interesting,"
> >> You weren't there.
>
> No, and even if Penhead was he'd have had his head too far up his arse to even know where he was ... ha ha.

Faraway Star wrote:

> Jordy C wrote:
>> Faraway Star wrote:
>> > Jordy C wrote:
>
>> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> >>>>https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
>
>> > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
>> > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
>
>> > > > > > > >> From Dan Barfield:
>
>> > > > > > > > "The earth runs
>> > > > > > > > > through my veins
>> > > > > > > > > Deep and black
>> > > > > > > > > ancient memories
>> > > > > > > > > ancient magic
>> > > > > > > > > I am the reason
>> > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
>> > > > > > > > > I am
>> > > > > > > > > the darkness"
>
> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
>> > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
>> > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
>> > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
>> > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
>> > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
>> > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
>> > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
>> > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
>> > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
>> > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
>> > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
>> > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
>> > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
>> > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
>> > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
>> > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
>> > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
>> > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
>> > > > > > > > > > > pages.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
>> > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
>> > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
>> > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
>> > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
>> > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
>> > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
>> > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
>> > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
>> > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
>> > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
>> > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
>> > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
>> > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
>> > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
>> > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
>> > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
>> > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
>> > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
>> > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
>> > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
>> > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
>> > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
>> > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
>> > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
>> > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
>> > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
>> > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
>> > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
>> > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
>> > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
>> > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
>> > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
>> > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
>> > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
>> > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
>> > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
>> > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
>> > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
>> > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
>> > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
>> > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
>> > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
>> > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
>> > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
>> > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
>> > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
>> > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
>> > > > > > > > > > > I am
>> > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
>> > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
>> > > > > > > > > > > among friends
>> > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
>> > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
>> > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
>> > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
>> > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
>> > > > > > > > > > > overnight
>> > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
>> > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
>> > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
>> > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
>> > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
>> > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
>> > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
>> > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
>> > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
>> > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
>> > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
>> > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
>> > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
>> > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
>> > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
>> > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
>> > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
>> > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
>> > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
>> > > > > > > > > > > of your body
>> > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
>> > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
>> > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
>> > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
>> > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
>> > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
>> > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
>> > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
>> > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
>> > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
>> > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
>> > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
>> > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
>> > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
>> > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
>> > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
>> > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
>> > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
>> > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
>> > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
>> > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
>> > > > > > > > > > Indeed and when xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Begone, forging fool...!
>> > > > > > > > how young? and for how long? and how did it end?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > i know i did one-night stands at age 13 with older young men...it was hot. the older the hotter..... :)
>> > > > > > > That was a forging troll, Rachel, pay him no mind...!
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > That is all...!
>> > > > > > The skip and ignore policy is probably the best move here, actually.
>> > > > > Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guideline, but nevertheless, generally do…
>> > > > Hi J.C.
>> > > >
>> > > > You are correct, and well put...
>> > > hi there, thank you, FS...
>> > Good day, how'd do, J.C. ~~?
>> hey there, FS

On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 2:10:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Faraway Star wrote:
> > Jordy C wrote:
> >> Faraway Star wrote:
> >> > Jordy C wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> > >>>>https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> >
> >> > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> >> > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> >
> >> > > > > > > >> From Dan Barfield:
> >
> >> > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> >> > > > > > > > > through my veins
> >> > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> >> > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> >> > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> >> > > > > > > > > I am the reason
> >> > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> >> > > > > > > > > I am
> >> > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> >
> > >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> >> > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> >> > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> >> > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> >> > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> >> > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> >> > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> >> > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> >> > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> >> > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> >> > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> >> > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> >> > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> >> > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> >> > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> >> > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> >> > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> >> > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> >> > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> >> > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> >> > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis.. The girls, as they
> >> > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> >> > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> >> > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> >> > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
> >> > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> >> > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
> >> > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
> >> > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> >> > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> >> > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> >> > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> >> > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> >> > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> >> > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> >> > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> >> > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> >> > > > > > > > > > > I am
> >> > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> >> > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> >> > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> >> > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> >> > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> >> > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> >> > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> >> > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
> >> > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> >> > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> >> > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> >> > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> >> > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
> >> > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
> >> > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
> >> > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> >> > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
> >> > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
> >> > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> >> > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> >> > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
> >> > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
> >> > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> >> > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> >> > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> >> > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> >> > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> >> > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> >> > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> >> > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
> >> > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> >> > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> >> > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> >> > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> >> > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> >> > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> >> > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> >> > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures.. And, like I said,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> >> > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
> >> > > > > > > > > > Indeed and when xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Begone, forging fool...!
> >> > > > > > > > how young? and for how long? and how did it end?
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > i know i did one-night stands at age 13 with older young men...it was hot. the older the hotter..... :)
> >> > > > > > > That was a forging troll, Rachel, pay him no mind...!
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > That is all...!
> >> > > > > > The skip and ignore policy is probably the best move here, actually.
> >> > > > > Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guideline, but nevertheless, generally do…
> >> > > > Hi J.C.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > You are correct, and well put...
> >> > > hi there, thank you, FS...
> >> > Good day, how'd do, J.C. ~~?
> >> hey there, FS
>
> > Hi there..!!
>
> Good afternoon, Jordy and Faraway Star.

Faraway Star wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 2:10:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Faraway Star wrote:
>> > Jordy C wrote:
>> >> Faraway Star wrote:
>> >> > Jordy C wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
>> > >>>>https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
>> >
>> >> > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
>> >> > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
>> >
>> >> > > > > > > >> From Dan Barfield:
>> >
>> >> > > > > > > > "The earth runs
>> >> > > > > > > > > through my veins
>> >> > > > > > > > > Deep and black
>> >> > > > > > > > > ancient memories
>> >> > > > > > > > > ancient magic
>> >> > > > > > > > > I am the reason
>> >> > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
>> >> > > > > > > > > I am
>> >> > > > > > > > > the darkness"
>> >
>> > >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Here is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-archives
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > "for sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > which he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > issue reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Back in the early 1980's minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > the ‘minicomic for a quarter' concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > mind the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > reader's hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Then the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > for a quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > The tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > his poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > pages.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > the previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > two merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > issue, although the art and poems in it didn't actually exist in 1996.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > and poems that couldn't exist in 1996, because they were created in
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Such is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > issue of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery's bizarre art on the
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > cover. Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > a whole school of ‘bizarro' artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > is as odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > state line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > and, often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Here, on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > but no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis.. The girls, as they
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > dance, with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > and peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > pairs of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > he's down on his luck. He'd be homeless, but an absent in-law has
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery's
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > surroundings, the mansion he's living in has no electricity. The water
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > has also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dockery's toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > call how he managed to relieve himself.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > me: I suppose you don't just hold it?
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > of the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > well-written, in my opinion. Here's a sampling:
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > I am
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > among friends
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > "There's a spider in our warehouse somewhere
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > in all the worst places & she does this
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > overnight
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > they only appear after five in the evening
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > & eight the next morning, punched in,
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > when we've got sleep under our lids
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > We've never seen this spider in person
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > it's a big one says Mike...
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > & she's red with yellow stripes--her name is
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > she tells fortunes to the other spiders
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > her name means ‘worthy of being loved'
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > her bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > of your body
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > On the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > comix by John Jones. He's been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > first I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80's). But like fine
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > wine they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > one ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan's
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Will Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > this issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > wondering, with regard to Dockery's comics, and Jones', and even
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Wilson's and Horn's, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > way it could be collected and displayed?"
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Once you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > becomes quite addictive. It's strange art, visual poetry, really, for
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > it ‘makes no sense' to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > go of your preconceptions of what art ‘should' and, indeed, ‘must' be,
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > you find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > of human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures.. And, like I said,
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > there is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > And all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
>> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Quite interesting piece of small press history...
>> >> > > > > > > > > > Indeed and when xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Begone, forging fool...!
>> >> > > > > > > > how young? and for how long? and how did it end?
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > i know i did one-night stands at age 13 with older young men...it was hot. the older the hotter..... :)
>> >> > > > > > > That was a forging troll, Rachel, pay him no mind...!
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > That is all...!
>> >> > > > > > The skip and ignore policy is probably the best move here, actually.
>> >> > > > > Yeah, skip, ignore and report works well… don’t *always* follow that guideline, but nevertheless, generally do…
>> >> > > > Hi J.C.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > You are correct, and well put...
>> >> > > hi there, thank you, FS...
>> >> > Good day, how'd do, J.C. ~~?
>> >> hey there, FS
>>
>> > Hi there..!!
>>
>> Good afternoon, Jordy and Faraway Star.