On 2022-04-04 23:15:04 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> In article <t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>> On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
>>>> A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024
>>>>>>> and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to
>>>>>>> Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism
>>>>>>> on IO, thought it was Europa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does
>>>>>>> nobody connected with this show understand current events?
>>>
>>> It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
>>>
>>>>>> I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star Trek
>>>>>> history either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
>>>>> different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
>>>>> least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
>>>>> ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
>>>
>>> Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it reference.
>>>
>>>> I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she
>>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
>>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
>>>> Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
>>>
>>> I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from the
>>> 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new timeline there
>>> wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in
>>> time and meet her.
>>>
>>>> Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
>>>> know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
>>>> Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
>>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
>>>
>>> I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank. She
>>> named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It might very
>>> well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no
>>> one would call it 10 forward.
>>
>> But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge from the
>> beginning. She only showed up later, after it was already named and
>> established-- and then only because of its literal deckspace on the ship.
>
> I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory episode for her
> character where they said she just came aboard that day? Or was she just
> tending bar the first time we saw her. After she was an established
> character we still saw the bar running without her probably more often than
> not. So she could've easily been there from day one.
>
> This is easy enough to confirm. Be right back.
>
> Bah. No, it's not. Guinean's's first appearance is S02E01 "the child"
> Problem is it went behind a pay wall again probably on April 1.
>
> The only place I can watch it free is planet Pluto and there I can only
> wait for when it comes around. Not gonna happen.

There's very little detail about Guinan and her history - supposedly
done on purpose to keep the character mysterious, but more likely so
that the writers could do whatever they wanted.

If you really want to watch it, then "The Child" is watchable at
<https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7wff1u>
The quality isn't good (especially the sound) and I think it's been
cropped. Like many DailyMotion videos, it's also been flipped
horizontally. I'm not sure, but I think Guinan / Ten Forward first
appears about the 31min mark.