On 2022-04-06 01:37:16 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 5, 2022 at 11:52:36 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star
>>>>>>>>>> Trek history either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
>>>>>>>>> different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
>>>>>>>>> least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship
>>>>>>>>> went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she
>>>>>>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
>>>>>>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
>>>>>>>> Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from the
>>>>>>> 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new timeline there
>>>>>>> wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in
>>>>>>> time and meet her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
>>>>>>>> know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
>>>>>>>> Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
>>>>>>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank. She
>>>>>>> named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It might very
>>>>>>> well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no
>>>>>>> one would call it 10 forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge from the
>>>>>> beginning. She only showed up later, after it was already named and
>>>>>> established-- and then only because of its literal deckspace on the ship.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory episode for
>>>>> her character where they said she just came aboard that day? Or was she
>>>>> just tending bar the first time we saw her. After she was an
>>>>> established character we still saw the bar running without her probably
>>>>> more often than not. So she could've easily been there from day one.
>>>>
>>>> If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a mysterious past
>>>> with Picard.
>>>
>>> She and 10 forward both appear for the first time in the same episode
>>> which is suspicious.
>>
>> It'd be hilarious if 10 Forward was never supposed to be on the ship.
>> That it was just an unused storage space or something and Guinan just
>> set herself up on the ship and used some strange alien ability to make
>> everyone think it had always been there and was perfectly normal.
>
> In a rare case (the only one I can think of) of real Trek retconing crap
> Trek, the Enterprise A had its own 10 forward lounge (Taking up decks five
> and six forward) and we finally found out what those three big round
> windows right in the front of the saucer were, of course this was a couple
> years after 10 forward premiered in TNG.

There are hundreds of locations and minor characters on the ship we
never know about, until the writers invent them for the story. Same
with locations and minor characters in every other TV show.