On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:04:26 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:18:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:18:01 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > I hadn't forgotten about you my new pen pal...
> > > > My Muse suggests this for your reading and listening enjoyment:
> > > > "But the oaks can't help their feelings
> > > > If they like the way they're made
> > > > And they wonder why the maples
> > > > Can't be happy in their shade
> > > > There is trouble in the forest
> > > > And the creatures all have fled
> > > > As the maples scream, "Oppression"
> > > > And the oaks just shake their heads"
> > > > --'The Trees' ~~Rush
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC88xBPkkc
> > > >
> > > > The ending is chilling isn't it?
> > > Well, I do enjoy Rush [musically], I love many Prog bands: Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, [Gentle] Giant etc.. However, while I enjoy Rush's music, I obviously don't agree with their libertarian ideas, which they [espoused] in their early days, [evidently] their views evolved somewhat as time went on...
> > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/6/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore
> Yes, as with the stories and characters of Ayn Rand , the art can be enjoyed while overlooking the politics.

That's true iff the politics have nothing to do with the art. In the case of "The Trees," though, the "politics" (the Randian worldview and sense of lie) are central to the story, and (like the Asstroll) one can't understand what the story without them.

In "The Trees" the oak are Roarke-type individualists, growing taller (achieving more) naturally, just because that's how they're made, without regard for anything but themselves. While the maples are the socialists, motivated by envy and resentment that others have more than they do, and the desire to bring them down to their own level. And in the end the maples win - the "hatchet, axe, and saw" are not used to deliberately kill the trees, but to cut the taller oaks down to the maples' level -- and presumably then to begin cutting both oaks and maples down to the level of shorter trees.

The song is a parable about human equality, on the lines of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron".

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 6:00:18 PM UTC-5, George J. wrote:
> On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:04:26 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:18:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:18:01 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > I hadn't forgotten about you my new pen pal...
> > > > > My Muse suggests this for your reading and listening enjoyment:
> > > > > "But the oaks can't help their feelings
> > > > > If they like the way they're made
> > > > > And they wonder why the maples
> > > > > Can't be happy in their shade
> > > > > There is trouble in the forest
> > > > > And the creatures all have fled
> > > > > As the maples scream, "Oppression"
> > > > > And the oaks just shake their heads"
> > > > > --'The Trees' ~~Rush
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC88xBPkkc
> > > > >
> > > > > The ending is chilling isn't it?
> > > > Well, I do enjoy Rush [musically], I love many Prog bands: Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, [Gentle] Giant etc.. However, while I enjoy Rush's music, I obviously don't agree with their libertarian ideas, which they [espoused] in their early days, [evidently] their views evolved somewhat as time went on...
> > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/6/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore
> > Yes, as with the stories and characters of Ayn Rand , the art can be enjoyed while overlooking the politics.
>
> That's true iff the politics have nothing to do with the art. In the case of "The Trees," though, the "politics" (the Randian worldview and sense of lie) are central to the story, and (like the Asstroll) one can't understand what the story without them.
>
> In "The Trees" the oak are Roarke-type individualists, growing taller (achieving more) naturally, just because that's how they're made, without regard for anything but themselves. While the maples are the socialists, motivated by envy and resentment that others have more than they do, and the desire to bring them down to their own level. And in the end the maples win - the "hatchet, axe, and saw" are not used to deliberately kill the trees, but to cut the taller oaks down to the maples' level -- and presumably then to begin cutting both oaks and maples down to the level of shorter trees.
>
> The song is a parable about human equality, on the lines of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron".

Oh? Did Dunce try insult me? Again? Lo7!! I should really pay more attention to the lap dog nipping at my heel!
Should I pay attention to what he attempts to lame me with? Nah, he does a great job of laming himself for me!
For I didn't say anything about the story so to "not understand the story" as he lamely tries to contend-- I commented (The ending is chilling isn't it?) on the ending which isn't Ayn Randian-- it's Rush's unique creation. But then Dunce lacks understanding of anything other than what he goosesteps to. That Rush used Ayn Rand so it must be strictly Ayn Rand and not possibly Rush's transformative work based off of Ayn Rand.
Poor Dunce cannot lame me without having to make up shit or grossly misrepresent me!

On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 5:33:42 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 6:00:18 PM UTC-5, George J. wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:04:26 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:18:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:18:01 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > > I hadn't forgotten about you my new pen pal...
> > > > > > My Muse suggests this for your reading and listening enjoyment:
> > > > > > "But the oaks can't help their feelings
> > > > > > If they like the way they're made
> > > > > > And they wonder why the maples
> > > > > > Can't be happy in their shade
> > > > > > There is trouble in the forest
> > > > > > And the creatures all have fled
> > > > > > As the maples scream, "Oppression"
> > > > > > And the oaks just shake their heads"
> > > > > > --'The Trees' ~~Rush
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC88xBPkkc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ending is chilling isn't it?
> > > > > Well, I do enjoy Rush [musically], I love many Prog bands: Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, [Gentle] Giant etc.. However, while I enjoy Rush's music, I obviously don't agree with their libertarian ideas, which they [espoused] in their early days, [evidently] their views evolved somewhat as time went on...
> > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/6/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore
> > > Yes, as with the stories and characters of Ayn Rand , the art can be enjoyed while overlooking the politics.
> >
> > That's true iff the politics have nothing to do with the art. In the case of "The Trees," though, the "politics" (the Randian worldview and sense of lie) are central to the story, and (like the Asstroll) one can't understand what the story without them.
> >
> > In "The Trees" the oak are Roarke-type individualists, growing taller (achieving more) naturally, just because that's how they're made, without regard for anything but themselves. While the maples are the socialists, motivated by envy and resentment that others have more than they do, and the desire to bring them down to their own level. And in the end the maples win - the "hatchet, axe, and saw" are not used to deliberately kill the trees, but to cut the taller oaks down to the maples' level -- and presumably then to begin cutting both oaks and maples down to the level of shorter trees.
> >
> > The song is a parable about human equality, on the lines of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron".
> Oh? Did Dunce try insult me? Again? Lo7!! I should really pay more attention to the lap dog nipping at my heel!
> Should I pay attention to what he attempts to lame me with? Nah, he does a great job of laming himself for me!
> For I didn't say anything about the story so to "not understand the story" as he lamely tries to contend-- I commented (The ending is chilling isn't it?) on the ending which isn't Ayn Randian-- it's Rush's unique creation. But then Dunce lacks understanding of anything other than what he goosesteps to. That Rush used Ayn Rand so it must be strictly Ayn Rand and not possibly Rush's transformative work based off of Ayn Rand.
> Poor Dunce cannot lame me without having to make up shit or grossly misrepresent me!

Amusing about Rush and their being Libertarian huh Jordy? (ie: you: "I obviously don't agree with their libertarian ideas, which they [espoused] in their early days, [evidently] their views evolved somewhat as time went on....") Did you even read the article that you posted?
"Alex Lifeson, the guitar player for Rush gave an interview in the June 2012 issue of High Times magazine:"
[interviewer]; "Do you consider yourself a libertarian?
[Lifeson]: "I think I'm a liberal. I'm certainly socially liberal. And I think government can play an important role in our lives, which libertarians don't believe.
"As far as our album 2112 and the tribute to Ayn Rand - I read one of her books, but she was a little too far out for me. For Neil, it was a period in his life, and now he's kind of moved on."

# Lo7! The same case with Nick Cave and Buk-- they both grew out of it!

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 6:00:18 PM UTC-5, George J. wrote:
> On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:04:26 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:18:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:18:01 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> > > > I hadn't forgotten about you my new pen pal...
> > > > > My Muse suggests this for your reading and listening enjoyment:
> > > > > "But the oaks can't help their feelings
> > > > > If they like the way they're made
> > > > > And they wonder why the maples
> > > > > Can't be happy in their shade
> > > > > There is trouble in the forest
> > > > > And the creatures all have fled
> > > > > As the maples scream, "Oppression"
> > > > > And the oaks just shake their heads"
> > > > > --'The Trees' ~~Rush
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC88xBPkkc
> > > > >
> > > > > The ending is chilling isn't it?
> > > > Well, I do enjoy Rush [musically], I love many Prog bands: Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, [Gentle] Giant etc.. However, while I enjoy Rush's music, I obviously don't agree with their libertarian ideas, which they [espoused] in their early days, [evidently] their views evolved somewhat as time went on...
> > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/6/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore
> > Yes, as with the stories and characters of Ayn Rand , the art can be enjoyed while overlooking the politics.
>
> That's true iff the politics have nothing to do with the art. In the case of "The Trees," though, the "politics" (the Randian worldview and sense of lie) are central to the story, and (like the Asstroll) one can't understand what the story without them.
>
> In "The Trees" the oak are Roarke-type individualists, growing taller (achieving more) naturally, just because that's how they're made, without regard for anything but themselves. While the maples are the socialists, motivated by envy and resentment that others have more than they do, and the desire to bring them down to their own level. And in the end the maples win - the "hatchet, axe, and saw" are not used to deliberately kill the trees, but to cut the taller oaks down to the maples' level -- and presumably then to begin cutting both oaks and maples down to the level of shorter trees.
>
> The song is a parable about human equality, on the lines of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron".

Thanks again for helping keep the record straight, George.

😃

On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 8:31:26 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 6:00:18 PM UTC-5, George J. wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:04:26 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:18:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:18:01 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >
> > > > > I hadn't forgotten about you my new pen pal...
> > > > > > My Muse suggests this for your reading and listening enjoyment:
> > > > > > "But the oaks can't help their feelings
> > > > > > If they like the way they're made
> > > > > > And they wonder why the maples
> > > > > > Can't be happy in their shade
> > > > > > There is trouble in the forest
> > > > > > And the creatures all have fled
> > > > > > As the maples scream, "Oppression"
> > > > > > And the oaks just shake their heads"
> > > > > > --'The Trees' ~~Rush
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC88xBPkkc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ending is chilling isn't it?
> > > > > Well, I do enjoy Rush [musically], I love many Prog bands: Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, [Gentle] Giant etc.. However, while I enjoy Rush's music, I obviously don't agree with their libertarian ideas, which they [espoused] in their early days, [evidently] their views evolved somewhat as time went on...
> > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/6/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore
> > > Yes, as with the stories and characters of Ayn Rand , the art can be enjoyed while overlooking the politics.
> >
> > That's true iff the politics have nothing to do with the art. In the case of "The Trees," though, the "politics" (the Randian worldview and sense of lie) are central to the story, and (like the Asstroll) one can't understand what the story without them.
> >
> > In "The Trees" the oak are Roarke-type individualists, growing taller (achieving more) naturally, just because that's how they're made, without regard for anything but themselves. While the maples are the socialists, motivated by envy and resentment that others have more than they do, and the desire to bring them down to their own level. And in the end the maples win - the "hatchet, axe, and saw" are not used to deliberately kill the trees, but to cut the taller oaks down to the maples' level -- and presumably then to begin cutting both oaks and maples down to the level of shorter trees.
> >
> > The song is a parable about human equality, on the lines of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron".
> Thanks again for helping keep the record straight, George.

Falls over Lo7in'!!! You get the Lo7 of teh Year!!!!!!!!!
This record you refer of, straight from the song writers mouth?
Rush drummer and lyricist Neil Peart was asked in the April/May 1980 issue of the magazine Modern Drummer if there was a message in the lyrics, to which he replied, "No. It was just a flash. I was working on an entirely different thing when I saw a cartoon picture of these trees carrying on like fools. I thought, 'What if trees acted like people?' So I saw it as a cartoon really, and wrote it that way. I think that's the image that it conjures up to a listener or a reader. A very simple statement."[6][7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trees_(Rush_song)
[6]Iero, Cheech (April 1980). "Neil Peart". Modern Drummer.
https://www.moderndrummer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/md16.pdf
[7] "The Trees by Rush Songfacts". Songfacts.com. 2004-06-02.
https://www.songfacts.com/facts/rush/the-trees
Also from [7]:
"The American politician Rand Paul sometimes mentioned this song in interviews and speeches, using it as an example of his libertarian ideology. Neil Peart, whose political views don't always synch with Paul's, had Rush's management send a cease-and-desist order to Paul asking him to stop quoting the lyrics."

Poor Will, having to get the last word of his and his crew's narrative in without fact checkin!!!

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 5:34:52 AM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 8:31:26 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 6:00:18 PM UTC-5, George J. wrote:
> > > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:04:26 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:18:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:18:01 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > I hadn't forgotten about you my new pen pal...
> > > > > > > My Muse suggests this for your reading and listening enjoyment:
> > > > > > > "But the oaks can't help their feelings
> > > > > > > If they like the way they're made
> > > > > > > And they wonder why the maples
> > > > > > > Can't be happy in their shade
> > > > > > > There is trouble in the forest
> > > > > > > And the creatures all have fled
> > > > > > > As the maples scream, "Oppression"
> > > > > > > And the oaks just shake their heads"
> > > > > > > --'The Trees' ~~Rush
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC88xBPkkc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The ending is chilling isn't it?
> > > > > > Well, I do enjoy Rush [musically], I love many Prog bands: Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, [Gentle] Giant etc.. However, while I enjoy Rush's music, I obviously don't agree with their libertarian ideas, which they [espoused] in their early days, [evidently] their views evolved somewhat as time went on...
> > > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/6/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore
> > > > Yes, as with the stories and characters of Ayn Rand , the art can be enjoyed while overlooking the politics.
> > >
> > > That's true iff the politics have nothing to do with the art. In the case of "The Trees," though, the "politics" (the Randian worldview and sense of lie) are central to the story, and (like the Asstroll) one can't understand what the story without them.
> > >
> > > In "The Trees" the oak are Roarke-type individualists, growing taller (achieving more) naturally, just because that's how they're made, without regard for anything but themselves. While the maples are the socialists, motivated by envy and resentment that others have more than they do, and the desire to bring them down to their own level. And in the end the maples win - the "hatchet, axe, and saw" are not used to deliberately kill the trees, but to cut the taller oaks down to the maples' level -- and presumably then to begin cutting both oaks and maples down to the level of shorter trees.
> > >
> > > The song is a parable about human equality, on the lines of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron".
> > Thanks again for helping keep the record straight, George.
> Falls over Lo7in'!!! You get the Lo7 of teh Year!!!!!!!!!
> This record you refer of, straight from the song writers mouth?
> Rush drummer and lyricist Neil Peart was asked in the April/May 1980 issue of the magazine Modern Drummer if there was a message in the lyrics, to which he replied, "No. It was just a flash. I was working on an entirely different thing when I saw a cartoon picture of these trees carrying on like fools. I thought, 'What if trees acted like people?' So I saw it as a cartoon really, and wrote it that way. I think that's the image that it conjures up to a listener or a reader. A very simple statement."[6][7]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trees_(Rush_song)
> [6]Iero, Cheech (April 1980). "Neil Peart". Modern Drummer.
> https://www.moderndrummer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/md16.pdf
> [7] "The Trees by Rush Songfacts". Songfacts.com. 2004-06-02.
> https://www.songfacts.com/facts/rush/the-trees
> Also from [7]:
> "The American politician Rand Paul sometimes mentioned this song in interviews and speeches, using it as an example of his libertarian ideology. Neil Peart, whose political views don't always synch with Paul's, had Rush's management send a cease-and-desist order to Paul asking him to stop quoting the lyrics."
>
> Poor Will, having to get the last word of his and his crew's narrative in without fact checkin!!!

Not at all, I wouldn't want Rand Paul quoting me, either.

😃

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:51:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 5:34:52 AM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 8:31:26 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 6:00:18 PM UTC-5, George J. wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:04:26 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:18:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:18:01 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > I hadn't forgotten about you my new pen pal...
> > > > > > > > My Muse suggests this for your reading and listening enjoyment:
> > > > > > > > "But the oaks can't help their feelings
> > > > > > > > If they like the way they're made
> > > > > > > > And they wonder why the maples
> > > > > > > > Can't be happy in their shade
> > > > > > > > There is trouble in the forest
> > > > > > > > And the creatures all have fled
> > > > > > > > As the maples scream, "Oppression"
> > > > > > > > And the oaks just shake their heads"
> > > > > > > > --'The Trees' ~~Rush
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC88xBPkkc
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The ending is chilling isn't it?
> > > > > > > Well, I do enjoy Rush [musically], I love many Prog bands: Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, [Gentle] Giant etc.. However, while I enjoy Rush's music, I obviously don't agree with their libertarian ideas, which they [espoused] in their early days, [evidently] their views evolved somewhat as time went on...
> > > > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/6/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore
> > > > > Yes, as with the stories and characters of Ayn Rand , the art can be enjoyed while overlooking the politics.
> > > >
> > > > That's true iff the politics have nothing to do with the art. In the case of "The Trees," though, the "politics" (the Randian worldview and sense of lie) are central to the story, and (like the Asstroll) one can't understand what the story without them.
> > > >
> > > > In "The Trees" the oak are Roarke-type individualists, growing taller (achieving more) naturally, just because that's how they're made, without regard for anything but themselves. While the maples are the socialists, motivated by envy and resentment that others have more than they do, and the desire to bring them down to their own level. And in the end the maples win - the "hatchet, axe, and saw" are not used to deliberately kill the trees, but to cut the taller oaks down to the maples' level -- and presumably then to begin cutting both oaks and maples down to the level of shorter trees.
> > > >
> > > > The song is a parable about human equality, on the lines of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron".
> > > Thanks again for helping keep the record straight, George.
> > Falls over Lo7in'!!! You get the Lo7 of teh Year!!!!!!!!!
> > This record you refer of, straight from the song writers mouth?
> > Rush drummer and lyricist Neil Peart was asked in the April/May 1980 issue of the magazine Modern Drummer if there was a message in the lyrics, to which he replied, "No. It was just a flash. I was working on an entirely different thing when I saw a cartoon picture of these trees carrying on like fools. I thought, 'What if trees acted like people?' So I saw it as a cartoon really, and wrote it that way. I think that's the image that it conjures up to a listener or a reader. A very simple statement."[6][7]
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trees_(Rush_song)
> > [6]Iero, Cheech (April 1980). "Neil Peart". Modern Drummer.
> > https://www.moderndrummer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/md16.pdf
> > [7] "The Trees by Rush Songfacts". Songfacts.com. 2004-06-02.
> > https://www.songfacts.com/facts/rush/the-trees
> > Also from [7]:
> > "The American politician Rand Paul sometimes mentioned this song in interviews and speeches, using it as an example of his libertarian ideology. Neil Peart, whose political views don't always synch with Paul's, had Rush's management send a cease-and-desist order to Paul asking him to stop quoting the lyrics."
> >
> > Poor Will, having to get the last word of his and his crew's narrative in without fact checkin!!!
> Not at all, I wouldn't want Rand Paul quoting me, either.

Just like you wouldn't want Dance setting the record straight after this...
Rand Paul had nothing to do with the post of yours that I referred to, you know. Yes, you do know, because you're using Rand Paul, who was brought up after your earlier post that I referred to (Will: "Thanks again for helping keep the record straight, George."), to deflect from what I was referring to! What are you trying to hide?

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 6:16:58 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:51:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 5:34:52 AM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 8:31:26 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 6:00:18 PM UTC-5, George J.. wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:04:26 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:18:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:18:01 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > I hadn't forgotten about you my new pen pal...
> > > > > > > > > My Muse suggests this for your reading and listening enjoyment:
> > > > > > > > > "But the oaks can't help their feelings
> > > > > > > > > If they like the way they're made
> > > > > > > > > And they wonder why the maples
> > > > > > > > > Can't be happy in their shade
> > > > > > > > > There is trouble in the forest
> > > > > > > > > And the creatures all have fled
> > > > > > > > > As the maples scream, "Oppression"
> > > > > > > > > And the oaks just shake their heads"
> > > > > > > > > --'The Trees' ~~Rush
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC88xBPkkc
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ending is chilling isn't it?
> > > > > > > > Well, I do enjoy Rush [musically], I love many Prog bands: Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, [Gentle] Giant etc.. However, while I enjoy Rush's music, I obviously don't agree with their libertarian ideas, which they [espoused] in their early days, [evidently] their views evolved somewhat as time went on...
> > > > > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/6/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore
> > > > > > Yes, as with the stories and characters of Ayn Rand , the art can be enjoyed while overlooking the politics.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's true iff the politics have nothing to do with the art. In the case of "The Trees," though, the "politics" (the Randian worldview and sense of lie) are central to the story, and (like the Asstroll) one can't understand what the story without them.
> > > > >
> > > > > In "The Trees" the oak are Roarke-type individualists, growing taller (achieving more) naturally, just because that's how they're made, without regard for anything but themselves. While the maples are the socialists, motivated by envy and resentment that others have more than they do, and the desire to bring them down to their own level. And in the end the maples win - the "hatchet, axe, and saw" are not used to deliberately kill the trees, but to cut the taller oaks down to the maples' level -- and presumably then to begin cutting both oaks and maples down to the level of shorter trees.
> > > > >
> > > > > The song is a parable about human equality, on the lines of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron".
> > > > Thanks again for helping keep the record straight, George.
> > > Falls over Lo7in'!!! You get the Lo7 of teh Year!!!!!!!!!
> > > This record you refer of, straight from the song writers mouth?
> > > Rush drummer and lyricist Neil Peart was asked in the April/May 1980 issue of the magazine Modern Drummer if there was a message in the lyrics, to which he replied, "No. It was just a flash. I was working on an entirely different thing when I saw a cartoon picture of these trees carrying on like fools. I thought, 'What if trees acted like people?' So I saw it as a cartoon really, and wrote it that way. I think that's the image that it conjures up to a listener or a reader. A very simple statement."[6][7]
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trees_(Rush_song)
> > > [6]Iero, Cheech (April 1980). "Neil Peart". Modern Drummer.
> > > https://www.moderndrummer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/md16.pdf
> > > [7] "The Trees by Rush Songfacts". Songfacts.com. 2004-06-02.
> > > https://www.songfacts.com/facts/rush/the-trees
> > > Also from [7]:
> > > "The American politician Rand Paul sometimes mentioned this song in interviews and speeches, using it as an example of his libertarian ideology. Neil Peart, whose political views don't always synch with Paul's, had Rush's management send a cease-and-desist order to Paul asking him to stop quoting the lyrics."
> > >
> >
> Just like you wouldn't want Dance setting the record straight

I'll let George Dance speak for himself.

😃

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:32:52 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 6:16:58 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:51:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 5:34:52 AM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 8:31:26 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 6:00:18 PM UTC-5, George J. wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:04:26 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:18:40 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:18:01 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I hadn't forgotten about you my new pen pal...
> > > > > > > > > > My Muse suggests this for your reading and listening enjoyment:
> > > > > > > > > > "But the oaks can't help their feelings
> > > > > > > > > > If they like the way they're made
> > > > > > > > > > And they wonder why the maples
> > > > > > > > > > Can't be happy in their shade
> > > > > > > > > > There is trouble in the forest
> > > > > > > > > > And the creatures all have fled
> > > > > > > > > > As the maples scream, "Oppression"
> > > > > > > > > > And the oaks just shake their heads"
> > > > > > > > > > --'The Trees' ~~Rush
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC88xBPkkc
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The ending is chilling isn't it?
> > > > > > > > > Well, I do enjoy Rush [musically], I love many Prog bands: Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, [Gentle] Giant etc.. However, while I enjoy Rush's music, I obviously don't agree with their libertarian ideas, which they [espoused] in their early days, [evidently] their views evolved somewhat as time went on...
> > > > > > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/6/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore
> > > > > > > Yes, as with the stories and characters of Ayn Rand , the art can be enjoyed while overlooking the politics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's true iff the politics have nothing to do with the art. In the case of "The Trees," though, the "politics" (the Randian worldview and sense of lie) are central to the story, and (like the Asstroll) one can't understand what the story without them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In "The Trees" the oak are Roarke-type individualists, growing taller (achieving more) naturally, just because that's how they're made, without regard for anything but themselves. While the maples are the socialists, motivated by envy and resentment that others have more than they do, and the desire to bring them down to their own level. And in the end the maples win - the "hatchet, axe, and saw" are not used to deliberately kill the trees, but to cut the taller oaks down to the maples' level -- and presumably then to begin cutting both oaks and maples down to the level of shorter trees.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The song is a parable about human equality, on the lines of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron".
> > > > > Thanks again for helping keep the record straight, George.
> > > > Falls over Lo7in'!!! You get the Lo7 of teh Year!!!!!!!!!
> > > > This record you refer of, straight from the song writers mouth?
> > > > Rush drummer and lyricist Neil Peart was asked in the April/May 1980 issue of the magazine Modern Drummer if there was a message in the lyrics, to which he replied, "No. It was just a flash. I was working on an entirely different thing when I saw a cartoon picture of these trees carrying on like fools. I thought, 'What if trees acted like people?' So I saw it as a cartoon really, and wrote it that way. I think that's the image that it conjures up to a listener or a reader. A very simple statement."[6][7]
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trees_(Rush_song)
> > > > [6]Iero, Cheech (April 1980). "Neil Peart". Modern Drummer.
> > > > https://www.moderndrummer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/md16.pdf
> > > > [7] "The Trees by Rush Songfacts". Songfacts.com. 2004-06-02.
> > > > https://www.songfacts.com/facts/rush/the-trees
> > > > Also from [7]:
> > > > "The American politician Rand Paul sometimes mentioned this song in interviews and speeches, using it as an example of his libertarian ideology. Neil Peart, whose political views don't always synch with Paul's, had Rush's management send a cease-and-desist order to Paul asking him to stop quoting the lyrics."
> > > >
> > >
> > Just like you wouldn't want Dance setting the record straight
> I'll let George Dance speak for himself.

Calling in your so well said talking Cankook head for a save? Lo7!! He totally did NOT keep the record straight as you try to claim. The song writer himself said that the listener DIDN'T need to know "the 'politics' (the Randian worldview and sense of lie) are central to the story, and (like the Asstroll) one can't understand what the story without them."
Also Dockery, why does George need to "speak for himself" when I was asking you about what you're saying, heh?
All I said (below) is about you and what you said, not Dance:
Just like you wouldn't want Dance setting the record straight after this...
Rand Paul had nothing to do with the post of yours that I referred to, you know. Yes, you do know, because you're using Rand Paul, who was brought up after your earlier post that I referred to (Will: "Thanks again for helping keep the record straight, George."), to deflect from what I was referring to! What are you trying to hide?
This record you refer of, straight from the song writers mouth?
Rush drummer and lyricist Neil Peart was asked in the April/May 1980 issue of the magazine Modern Drummer if there was a message in the lyrics, to which he replied, "No. It was just a flash. I was working on an entirely different thing when I saw a cartoon picture of these trees carrying on like fools. I thought, 'What if trees acted like people?' So I saw it as a cartoon really, and wrote it that way. I think that's the image that it conjures up to a listener or a reader. A very simple statement."[6][7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trees_(Rush_song)
[6]Iero, Cheech (April 1980). "Neil Peart". Modern Drummer.
https://www.moderndrummer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/md16.pdf
[7] "The Trees by Rush Songfacts". Songfacts.com. 2004-06-02.
https://www.songfacts.com/facts/rush/the-trees

Ash Wurthing wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>> George J. wrote:
>
>> > > > > > > > > > "But the oaks can't help their feelings
>> > > > > > > > > > If they like the way they're made
>> > > > > > > > > > And they wonder why the maples
>> > > > > > > > > > Can't be happy in their shade
>> > > > > > > > > > There is trouble in the forest
>> > > > > > > > > > And the creatures all have fled
>> > > > > > > > > > As the maples scream, "Oppression"
>> > > > > > > > > > And the oaks just shake their heads"
>> > > > > > > > > > --'The Trees' ~~Rush
>> > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC88xBPkkc
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > The ending is chilling isn't it?
>> > > > > > > > > Well, I do enjoy Rush [musically], I love many Prog bands: Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, [Gentle] Giant etc.. However, while I enjoy Rush's music, I obviously don't agree with their libertarian ideas, which they [espoused] in their early days, [evidently] their views evolved somewhat as time went on...
>> > > > > > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/6/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore
>> > > > > > > Yes, as with the stories and characters of Ayn Rand , the art can be enjoyed while overlooking the politics.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > That's true iff the politics have nothing to do with the art. In the case of "The Trees," though, the "politics" (the Randian worldview and sense of lie) are central to the story, and (like the Asstroll) one can't understand what the story without them.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > In "The Trees" the oak are Roarke-type individualists, growing taller (achieving more) naturally, just because that's how they're made, without regard for anything but themselves. While the maples are the socialists, motivated by envy and resentment that others have more than they do, and the desire to bring them down to their own level. And in the end the maples win - the "hatchet, axe, and saw" are not used to deliberately kill the trees, but to cut the taller oaks down to the maples' level -- and presumably then to begin cutting both oaks and maples down to the level of shorter trees.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The song is a parable about human equality, on the lines of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron".
>> > > > > Thanks again for helping keep the record straight, George.
>> > > > Falls over Lo7in'!!! You get the Lo7 of teh Year!!!!!!!!!
>> > > > This record you refer of, straight from the song writers mouth?
>> > > > Rush drummer and lyricist Neil Peart was asked in the April/May 1980 issue of the magazine Modern Drummer if there was a message in the lyrics, to which he replied, "No. It was just a flash. I was working on an entirely different thing when I saw a cartoon picture of these trees carrying on like fools. I thought, 'What if trees acted like people?' So I saw it as a cartoon really, and wrote it that way. I think that's the image that it conjures up to a listener or a reader. A very simple statement."[6][7]
>> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trees_(Rush_song)
>> > > > [6]Iero, Cheech (April 1980). "Neil Peart". Modern Drummer.
>> > > > https://www.moderndrummer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/md16.pdf
>> > > > [7] "The Trees by Rush Songfacts". Songfacts.com. 2004-06-02.
>> > > > https://www.songfacts.com/facts/rush/the-trees
>> > > > Also from [7]:
>> > > > "The American politician Rand Paul sometimes mentioned this song in interviews and speeches, using it as an example of his libertarian ideology. Neil Peart, whose political views don't always synch with Paul's, had Rush's management send a cease-and-desist order to Paul asking him to stop quoting the lyrics."
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > Just like you wouldn't want Dance setting the record straight
>> I'll let George Dance speak for himself.

<Troll bullshit snipped>

> Dockery, why does George need to "speak for himself"

Because it's the details George Dance posted on the topic that you dispute, so let's let him explain himself.

HTH and HAND.

George J. Dance wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>> Jordy C wrote:
>>> Ash Wurthing wrote:

>
>> > > > "But the oaks can't help their feelings
>> > > > If they like the way they're made
>> > > > And they wonder why the maples
>> > > > Can't be happy in their shade
>> > > > There is trouble in the forest
>> > > > And the creatures all have fled
>> > > > As the maples scream, "Oppression"
>> > > > And the oaks just shake their heads"
>> > > > --'The Trees' ~~Rush
>> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC88xBPkkc
>> > > >
>> > > > The ending is chilling isn't it?
>> > > Well, I do enjoy Rush [musically], I love many Prog bands: Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, [Gentle] Giant etc.. However, while I enjoy Rush's music, I obviously don't agree with their libertarian ideas, which they [espoused] in their early days, [evidently] their views evolved somewhat as time went on...
>> > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/6/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore
>> Yes, as with the stories and characters of Ayn Rand , the art can be enjoyed while overlooking the politics.

> That's true iff the politics have nothing to do with the art. In the case of "The Trees," though, the "politics" (the Randian worldview and sense of lie) are central to the story, and (like the Asstroll) one can't understand what the story without them.

> In "The Trees" the oak are Roarke-type individualists, growing taller (achieving more) naturally, just because that's how they're made, without regard for anything but themselves. While the maples are the socialists, motivated by envy and resentment that others have more than they do, and the desire to bring them down to their own level. And in the end the maples win - the "hatchet, axe, and saw" are not used to deliberately kill the trees, but to cut the taller oaks down to the maples' level -- and presumably then to begin cutting both oaks and maples down to the level of shorter trees.

> The song is a parable about human equality, on the lines of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron".

Again, a good interpretation based on the information given in the song and lyrics themselves.

HTH and HAND.