Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:02:14 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:30:59 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 5:40:25 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
>
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Versers".
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Ezra Pound called it.
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > beyond...
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Richard Aldington
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Amy Lowell
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Vachel Lindsay
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Harry Kemp
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Donald Evans
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Allen Norton
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Louise Norton
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > H.D.
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Mina Loy
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > :D
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> >
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten.......
>> > > > >> > >> > > >>
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
>> > > > >> > >> > > >>
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
>> > > > >> > >> > > >>
>> > > > >> > >> > > >> > ***
>> > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> > > I want to hang out with you and Barfield later in the weekend... perhaps take a gander at this book which seems most excellent...
>> > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> > Does Barfly
>> > > >
>> > > > > His name is you Barfiel, silly little man...
>> > > >
>> > > > >> > >> Just a typo, I meant to type BOOK... all apologies... ha ha..
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> Books by Dan Barfield:
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Golden-Ring-M-D-Barfield/dp/B08HGZKCP3
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Fences-M-D-Barfield/dp/1701375362
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Desperation-Tango-Sunrise-M-D-Barfield/dp/1705815154
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> Have a read, learn something, Pen... ha ha.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > > How familiar with his
>> > > > >> > Can you read..?
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > I already told you it was a typo and thanks for the heads up on that...
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Art by Dan Barfield:
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20010504013512/http://www.geocities..com:80/SoHo/Bistro/3372/gallery.html
>> > > > >> Pendragon seems to be going apeshit over a simple typo.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Talk about being in a tizzy.
>> > > >
>> > > > > It is quite obvious... ha ha.
>> > > > Interesting how Pendragon latches on to a silly mistake, when we thought he was turning over a new "yeaf."
>> > > Yes, another example of Pen's silly hypocrisy...
>> > "Yeaf" is simply a typo
>> Just as "bood" is

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:08:37 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:25:25 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:02:14 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:30:59 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 5:40:25 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> > >> > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > >> > >> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:00:29 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Versers".
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Ezra Pound called it.
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > beyond...
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Richard Aldington
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Amy Lowell
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Vachel Lindsay
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Harry Kemp
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Donald Evans
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Allen Norton
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Louise Norton
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > H.D.
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Mina Loy
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > :D
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten.......
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > ***
> > >> > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > I want to hang out with you and Barfield later in the weekend... perhaps take a gander at this book which seems most excellent...
> > >> > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > Does Barfly
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > His name is you Barfiel, silly little man...
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> Just a typo, I meant to type BOOK... all apologies... ha ha..
> > >> > > > >> > >>
> > >> > > > >> > >> Books by Dan Barfield:
> > >> > > > >> > >>
> > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Golden-Ring-M-D-Barfield/dp/B08HGZKCP3
> > >> > > > >> > >>
> > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Fences-M-D-Barfield/dp/1701375362
> > >> > > > >> > >>
> > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Desperation-Tango-Sunrise-M-D-Barfield/dp/1705815154
> > >> > > > >> > >>
> > >> > > > >> > >> Have a read, learn something, Pen... ha ha.
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> > > How familiar with his
> > >> > > > >> > Can you read..?
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> > I already told you it was a typo and thanks for the heads up on that...
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> > Art by Dan Barfield:
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20010504013512/http://www.geocities..com:80/SoHo/Bistro/3372/gallery.html
> > >> > > > >> Pendragon seems to be going apeshit over a simple typo.
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >> Talk about being in a tizzy.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > It is quite obvious... ha ha.
> > >> > > > Interesting how Pendragon latches on to a silly mistake, when we thought he was turning over a new "yeaf."
> > >> > > Yes, another example of Pen's silly hypocrisy...
> > >> > "Yeaf" is simply a typo
> > >> Just as "bood" is
> >
> > > If Zod told you that he wanted to take a gander at your bood
> > Nah, it was just a typo, Pen, as was your yeaf... ha ha.
> Apparently you're incapable of understanding how a typo may or may not affect the meaning of the text that surrounds it. Pity.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:45:20 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:08:37 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:25:25 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:02:14 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:30:59 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 5:40:25 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> > > >> > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:00:29 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Versers".
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Ezra Pound called it.
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > beyond...
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Vachel Lindsay
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Donald Evans
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Allen Norton
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Louise Norton
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > H.D.
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Mina Loy
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > :D
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten.......
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors...." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > ***
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > I want to hang out with you and Barfield later in the weekend... perhaps take a gander at this book which seems most excellent...
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> > Does Barfly
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > His name is you Barfiel, silly little man...
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > >> > >> Just a typo, I meant to type BOOK... all apologies.... ha ha..
> > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > >> > >> Books by Dan Barfield:
> > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Golden-Ring-M-D-Barfield/dp/B08HGZKCP3
> > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Fences-M-D-Barfield/dp/1701375362
> > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Desperation-Tango-Sunrise-M-D-Barfield/dp/1705815154
> > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > >> > >> Have a read, learn something, Pen... ha ha.
> > > >> > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > >> > > How familiar with his
> > > >> > > > >> > Can you read..?
> > > >> > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > >> > I already told you it was a typo and thanks for the heads up on that...
> > > >> > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > >> > Art by Dan Barfield:
> > > >> > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20010504013512/http://www.geocities..com:80/SoHo/Bistro/3372/gallery.html
> > > >> > > > >> Pendragon seems to be going apeshit over a simple typo.
> > > >> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >> Talk about being in a tizzy.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > It is quite obvious... ha ha.
> > > >> > > > Interesting how Pendragon latches on to a silly mistake, when we thought he was turning over a new "yeaf."
> > > >> > > Yes, another example of Pen's silly hypocrisy...
> > > >> > "Yeaf" is simply a typo
> > > >> Just as "bood" is
> > >
> > > > If Zod told you that he wanted to take a gander at your bood
> > > Nah, it was just a typo, Pen, as was your yeaf... ha ha.
> > Apparently you're incapable of understanding how a typo may or may not affect the meaning of the text that surrounds it. Pity.
> Not really, since BOOD meant nothing in the context as I was quite obviously referring to a BOOK...

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:23:47 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:45:20 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:08:37 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:25:25 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Versers".
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Ezra Pound called it.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > beyond...
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Vachel Lindsay
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > H.D.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > :D
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten.......
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors...." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > ***
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > I want to hang out with you and Barfield later in the weekend... perhaps take a gander at this book which seems most excellent...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Zod was obviously referring to the "Strange Bedfellows" book, by the way ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> > > > >> > > > > His name is you Barfiel, silly little man...
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> Just a typo, I meant to type BOOK... all apologies.... ha ha..
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> Books by Dan Barfield:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Golden-Ring-M-D-Barfield/dp/B08HGZKCP3
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Fences-M-D-Barfield/dp/1701375362
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Desperation-Tango-Sunrise-M-D-Barfield/dp/1705815154
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> Have a read, learn something, Pen... ha ha.
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > > How familiar with his
> > > > >> > > > >> > Can you read..?
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > I already told you it was a typo and thanks for the heads up on that...
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > Art by Dan Barfield:
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20010504013512/http://www.geocities..com:80/SoHo/Bistro/3372/gallery.html
> > > > >> > > > >> Pendragon seems to be going apeshit over a simple typo.
> > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> Talk about being in a tizzy.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > It is quite obvious... ha ha.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:48:34 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:23:47 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:45:20 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:08:37 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:25:25 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Versers".
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Ezra Pound called it.
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > beyond...
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Vachel Lindsay
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > H.D.
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > :D
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten.......
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > ***
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > I want to hang out with you and Barfield later in the weekend... perhaps take a gander at this book which seems most excellent...
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Zod was obviously referring to the "Strange Bedfellows" book, by the way ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > >> > > > > His name is you Barfiel, silly little man...
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> Just a typo, I meant to type BOOK... all apologies... ha ha..
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> Books by Dan Barfield:
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Golden-Ring-M-D-Barfield/dp/B08HGZKCP3
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Fences-M-D-Barfield/dp/1701375362
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Desperation-Tango-Sunrise-M-D-Barfield/dp/1705815154
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> Have a read, learn something, Pen... ha ha.
> > > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > > How familiar with his
> > > > > >> > > > >> > Can you read..?
> > > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > I already told you it was a typo and thanks for the heads up on that...
> > > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > Art by Dan Barfield:
> > > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20010504013512/http://www.geocities..com:80/SoHo/Bistro/3372/gallery.html
> > > > > >> > > > >> Pendragon seems to be going apeshit over a simple typo.
> > > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> Talk about being in a tizzy.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > It is quite obvious... ha ha.
> <snip for brevity>
> > > Not really, since BOOD meant nothing in the context as I was quite obviously referring to a BOOK...
> > Bood means nothing
> Exactly, it was only a typo, just as your Yeaf was.

General-Zod wrote:
>
> Excellent books by Dan Barfield, since the interest is now on the group...

> ***********

> https://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Golden-Ring-M-D-Barfield/dp/B08HGZKCP3

> Reaching for the Golden Ring --- by M.D. Barfield “We’re all on some insane merry-go-round, reaching for the golden ring. Grab it when you can. ”The year is nineteen sixty-seven in a west Georgia mill and military town. The country is being torn apart by race riots and antiwar demonstrations. The specter of being drafted is a dark shadow on every one’s life. Can two people, a twenty-four-year-old teacher, and a seventeen-year-old former student, build something good and beautiful from the chaos? Will they be strong enough to hold on to it through the brutality of a year in Vietnam and the guilt of a backwoods southern religion?

> https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Fences-M-D-Barfield/dp/1701375362

> Crossing Fences -- by M.D. Barfield All his life Billy has been groomed to follow his father's family tradition of joining the prestigious Atlanta law firm established by his grandfather. This is not the life he wants, but he has never been strong enough to defy family tradition. Now he is caught between two worlds, the moneyed world of Atlanta and the 'New South,' and the more traditional world of Savannah and the Low Country. As we move through the story, we meet Molly, a teenage temptress. Cindy, who has been emotionally and sexually abused. Cap Green, Billy's maternal grandfather who is a section foreman on the Atlantic Coast Line railroad. His grandmother, who is wise in the ways of herbal healing. Aaron, Billy's best friend from childhood who has just been accepted to medical school and proves in a red neck bar fight that no one calls him a dirty Jew. Sam Crammer, Molly's father who has always adored his daughter and swears the one who has “put the devil in her.” Mary Agnes, Molly’s mother, who sends the devil straight to hell with a double- barreled shotgun. Johnny Raintree, who makes whiskey, and lives with an everchanging parade of young girls he calls cousins. Lind
> a, the Atlanta girl from the 'right' family Billy is expected to marry. Philip, who if ever a man needed killing, he does. The culture, mores, and ethics of the “new south” contrasted to those of Savannah and the Low Country, a touch of voodoo, and a little of the Gullah culture.

> https://www.amazon.com/Desperation-Tango-Sunrise-M-D-Barfield/dp/1705815154 Desperation Tango: The Cruise of the Sunrise -- by M.D. Barfield Desperate times call for desperate measures. Farm raised shrimp from Asia have driven the prices of wild caught shrimp down. Three bad winters followed by hot and dry summers have decimated the wild population. Now the Department of Natural Resources has closed the season to give the wild population time to recover. For the last three years Jack has gotten by on a meager catch and savings, but now the savings are gone. When his friend and fellow shrimper, captain Barns, suggest that they go to the southern Caribbean and work the international waters off Venezuela, he turns him down. “To many crazy people with guns, and no law. Between the Cubans, the drug runners, and plain old pirates out of Jamaica and Haiti that place is a war zone.” Now, faced with losing everything he and his wife have built, and unable to support his family, he agrees. This begins a voyage into hell that is sold as paradise in the tourist brochures and cruise ship advertisements. As they move further south Jack realizes that one misstep and you lose everything. A ma
> n will do anything necessary to protect and support his family and way of life, even murder.

> *********

> Paintings by Dan Barfield:

> http://web.archive.org/web/20010504013512/http://www.geocities.com:80/SoHo/Bistro/3372/gallery.html

> A most careless typographical error now corrected...

Dan Barfield biography:
https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/Dan_Barfield?so=search

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:48:34 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:23:47 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:45:20 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Versers".
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Ezra Pound called it.
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > beyond...
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Vachel Lindsay
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > H.D.
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > :D
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten.......
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > ***
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > I want to hang out with you and Barfield later in the weekend... perhaps take a gander at this book which seems most excellent...
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Zod was obviously referring to the "Strange Bedfellows" book, by the way ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > >> > > > > His name is you Barfiel, silly little man...
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> Just a typo, I meant to type BOOK... all apologies... ha ha..
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> Books by Dan Barfield:
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Golden-Ring-M-D-Barfield/dp/B08HGZKCP3
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Fences-M-D-Barfield/dp/1701375362
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Desperation-Tango-Sunrise-M-D-Barfield/dp/1705815154
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> Have a read, learn something, Pen... ha ha.
> > > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > > How familiar with his
> > > > > >> > > > >> > Can you read..?
> > > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > I already told you it was a typo and thanks for the heads up on that...
> > > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > Art by Dan Barfield:
> > > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20010504013512/http://www.geocities..com:80/SoHo/Bistro/3372/gallery.html
> > > > > >> > > > >> Pendragon seems to be going apeshit over a simple typo.
> > > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> Talk about being in a tizzy.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > It is quite obvious... ha ha.
> <snip for brevity>
> > > Not really, since BOOD meant nothing in the context as I was quite obviously referring to a BOOK...
> > Bood means nothing
> Exactly, it was only a typo, just as your Yeaf was.
>
> HTH and HAND.

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:05:12 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:48:34 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:23:47 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:45:20 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Versers".
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Ezra Pound called it.
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > beyond...
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Vachel Lindsay
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > H.D.
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > :D
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten.......
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons.. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > ***
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > I want to hang out with you and Barfield later in the weekend... perhaps take a gander at this book which seems most excellent...
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > Zod was obviously referring to the "Strange Bedfellows" book, by the way ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > > >> > > > > His name is you Barfiel, silly little man...
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> Just a typo, I meant to type BOOK... all apologies... ha ha..
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> Books by Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Golden-Ring-M-D-Barfield/dp/B08HGZKCP3
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Fences-M-D-Barfield/dp/1701375362
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Desperation-Tango-Sunrise-M-D-Barfield/dp/1705815154
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> Have a read, learn something, Pen... ha ha.
> > > > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > How familiar with his
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > Can you read..?
> > > > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > I already told you it was a typo and thanks for the heads up on that...
> > > > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > Art by Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20010504013512/http://www.geocities..com:80/SoHo/Bistro/3372/gallery.html
> > > > > > >> > > > >> Pendragon seems to be going apeshit over a simple typo.
> > > > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > >> Talk about being in a tizzy.
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > It is quite obvious... ha ha.
> > <snip for brevity>
> > > > Not really, since BOOD meant nothing in the context as I was quite obviously referring to a BOOK...
> > > Bood means nothing
> > Exactly, it was only a typo, just as your Yeaf was.
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> Yep...

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 4:30:28 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 4:05:13 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> >> Will Dockery wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 8:30:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:06:58 AM UTC-4, Bean Counter wrote:
> >> >> > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> >> >> > > Versers".
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> >> >> > > beyond...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Richard Aldington
> >> >> > > Amy Lowell
> >> >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> >> >> > > Harry Kemp
> >> >> > > Donald Evans
> >> >> > > Allen Norton
> >> >> > > Louise Norton
> >> >> > > H.D.
> >> >> > > Mina Loy
> >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
> >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> >> >> > > Ezra Pound
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > :D
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
> >>
> >> > Ping: Jordy:
> >>
> >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> >> >>
> >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> >> >>
> >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
> >>
> >> > ***
> >>
>
> Hey there man, what up..?

Good afternoon my friend.

On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:27:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 4:30:28 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> > >> >> > > Versers".
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> > >> >> > > beyond...
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Richard Aldington
> > >> >> > > Amy Lowell
> > >> >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > >> >> > > Harry Kemp
> > >> >> > > Donald Evans
> > >> >> > > Allen Norton
> > >> >> > > Louise Norton
> > >> >> > > H.D.
> > >> >> > > Mina Loy
> > >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > >> >> > > Ezra Pound
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > :D
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
> > >>
> > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > >>
> > >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
>
> Good afternoon my friend.

Hi there..!

Faraway Star wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:27:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 4:30:28 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
>> > Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> > >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> > >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> > >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> > >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
>> > >> >> > > Versers".
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> > >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> > >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> > >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> > >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> > >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
>> > >> >> > > beyond...
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> > >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> > >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > Richard Aldington
>> > >> >> > > Amy Lowell
>> > >> >> > > Vacel Lindsay
>> > >> >> > > Harry Kemp
>> > >> >> > > Donald Evans
>> > >> >> > > Allen Norton
>> > >> >> > > Louise Norton
>> > >> >> > > H.D.
>> > >> >> > > Mina Loy
>> > >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
>> > >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> > >> >> > > Ezra Pound
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > :D
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>> > >>
>> > >> > Ping: Jordy:
>> > >>
>> > >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
>>
>> Good afternoon my friend.

> Hi there..!

Hello again my friend.

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 5:04:47 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:12:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 1:15:17 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 1:03:56 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > >> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:00:29 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > >> > > >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > >> > > >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > >> > > >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Versers".
> > > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > >> > > >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > >> > > >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
> > > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > >> > > >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > >> > > >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > >> > > >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Ezra Pound called it.
> > > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
> > > >> > > >> >> > > beyond...
> > > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > >> > > >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > >> > > >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Vachel Lindsay
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Donald Evans
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Allen Norton
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Louise Norton
> > > >> > > >> >> > > H.D.
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Mina Loy
> > > >> > > >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
> > > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > >> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> > > :D
> > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > >> > > >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > >> > > >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > >> > > >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > >> > ***
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I want to hang out with you and Barfield later in the weekend.... perhaps take a gander at this book which seems most excellent...
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > Does Barfly
> His name is you Barfiel, silly little man...
> > > >> Just a typo, I meant to type BOOK... all apologies... ha ha.
> > > >>
> > > >> Books by Dan Barfield:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Golden-Ring-M-D-Barfield/dp/B08HGZKCP3
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Fences-M-D-Barfield/dp/1701375362
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.amazon.com/Desperation-Tango-Sunrise-M-D-Barfield/dp/1705815154
> > > >>
> > > >> Have a read, learn something, Pen... ha ha.
> > >
> > > > How familiar with his
> > > Can you read..?
> > >
> > > I already told you it was a typo and thanks for the heads up on that....
> > >
> > > Art by Dan Barfield:
> > >
> > > http://web.archive.org/web/20010504013512/http://www.geocities.com:80/SoHo/Bistro/3372/gallery.html
> > Pendragon seems to be going apeshit over a simple typo.
> >
> > Talk about being in a tizzy.
> It is quite obvious... ha ha.

Full scale meltdown mode.

🙂

Will Dockery wrote:

> Faraway Star wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > General-Zod wrote:
>
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Versers".
>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Ezra Pound called it.
>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > beyond...
>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Richard Aldington
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Amy Lowell
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Vachel Lindsay
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Harry Kemp
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Donald Evans
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Allen Norton
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Louise Norton
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > H.D.
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Mina Loy
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound
>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >> > > :D
>> > > >> > > >> >> >
>> > > >> > > >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>> > > >> > > >>
>> > > >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
>> > > >> > > >>
>> > > >> > > >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> > > >> > > >> >>
>> > > >> > > >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>> > > >> > > >> >>
>> > > >> > > >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> > > >> > > >> >>
>> > > >> > > >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
>> > > >> > > >>
>> > > >> > > >> > ***
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > I want to hang out with you and Barfield later in the weekend.... perhaps take a gander at this book which seems most excellent...
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > Does Barfly
>> His name is you Barfiel, silly little man...
>> > > >> Just a typo, I meant to type BOOK... all apologies... ha ha.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Books by Dan Barfield:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> https://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Golden-Ring-M-D-Barfield/dp/B08HGZKCP3
>> > > >>
>> > > >> https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Fences-M-D-Barfield/dp/1701375362
>> > > >>
>> > > >> https://www.amazon.com/Desperation-Tango-Sunrise-M-D-Barfield/dp/1705815154
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Have a read, learn something, Pen... ha ha.
>> > >
>> > > > How familiar with his
>> > > Can you read..?
>> > >
>> > > I already told you it was a typo and thanks for the heads up on that....
>> > >
>> > > Art by Dan Barfield:
>> > >
>> > > http://web.archive.org/web/20010504013512/http://www.geocities.com:80/SoHo/Bistro/3372/gallery.html
>> > Pendragon seems to be going apeshit over a simple typo.
>> >
>> > Talk about being in a tizzy.
>> It is quite obvious... ha ha.

> Full scale meltdown mode.

with a tear in his eye... ha ha.

General-Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> Faraway Star wrote:
>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> > > General-Zod wrote:
>>
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Versers".
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed..."
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Ezra Pound called it.
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > beyond...
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Richard Aldington
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Amy Lowell
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Vachel Lindsay
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Harry Kemp
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Donald Evans
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Allen Norton
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Louise Norton
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > H.D.
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Mina Loy
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > William Carlos Williams
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > Ezra Pound
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > >
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > > :D
>>> > > >> > > >> >> >
>>> > > >> > > >> >> > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>>> > > >> > > >>
>>> > > >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
>>> > > >> > > >>
>>> > > >> > > >> >> I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>>> > > >> > > >> >>
>>> > > >> > > >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>>> > > >> > > >> >>
>>> > > >> > > >> >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>>> > > >> > > >> >>
>>> > > >> > > >> >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen. Among other things...."
>>> > > >> > > >>
>>> > > >> > > >> > ***
>>> > > >> > >
>>> > > >> > > I want to hang out with you and Barfield later in the weekend.... perhaps take a gander at this book which seems most excellent...
>>> > > >> > >
>>> > > >> > Does Barfly
>>> His name is you Barfiel, silly little man...
>>> > > >> Just a typo, I meant to type BOOK... all apologies... ha ha.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Books by Dan Barfield:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> https://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Golden-Ring-M-D-Barfield/dp/B08HGZKCP3
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Fences-M-D-Barfield/dp/1701375362
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> https://www.amazon.com/Desperation-Tango-Sunrise-M-D-Barfield/dp/1705815154
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Have a read, learn something, Pen... ha ha.
>>> > >
>>> > > > How familiar with his
>>> > > Can you read..?
>>> > >
>>> > > I already told you it was a typo and thanks for the heads up on that....
>>> > >
>>> > > Art by Dan Barfield:
>>> > >
>>> > > http://web.archive.org/web/20010504013512/http://www.geocities.com:80/SoHo/Bistro/3372/gallery.html
>>> > Pendragon seems to be going apeshit over a simple typo.
>>> >
>>> > Talk about being in a tizzy.
>>> It is quite obvious... ha ha.

>> Full scale meltdown mode.

> with a tear in his eye... ha ha.

As ever

😃