Rocksolid Light

Welcome to novaBBS (click a section below)

mail  files  register  newsreader  groups  login

Message-ID:  

A shortcut is the longest distance between two points.


arts / rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s / Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

SubjectAuthor
* REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951Bruce
+* Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951Roger Ford
|`* Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;DianeE
| +* Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;Bruce
| |+* Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;Bill B
| ||`- Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;Bruce
| |+* Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;Dean F.
| ||`- Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;DianeE
| |`- Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;DianeE
| `* Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951Roger Ford
|  `* Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;Bruce
|   `- Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;DianeE
`* Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;Dean F.
 `- Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;Bruce

1
REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24785&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24785

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
X-Received: by 2002:a0c:c788:0:b0:444:2c7f:4126 with SMTP id k8-20020a0cc788000000b004442c7f4126mr11447333qvj.50.1650377137392;
Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:05:37 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2a49:b0:441:69b0:84c7 with SMTP id
jf9-20020a0562142a4900b0044169b084c7mr11602466qvb.122.1650377137186; Tue, 19
Apr 2022 07:05:37 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT)
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=100.1.92.145; posting-account=n9xsxgkAAACbwJmqxLqYq22Bsa6pSjao
NNTP-Posting-Host: 100.1.92.145
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951
From: Savo...@aol.com (Bruce)
Injection-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:05:37 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 9
 by: Bruce - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:05 UTC

Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/billy-love-as-jackie-brenston-juiced-chess-1472/

YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERPTnynRx34

SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 2/10

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24791&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24791

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!npB4FiOEk4RHQIjJFMDeyw.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:57:03 GMT
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org>
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="19050"; posting-host="npB4FiOEk4RHQIjJFMDeyw.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235
X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 220418-6, 4/18/2022), Outbound message
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
 by: Roger Ford - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:57 UTC

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:

>Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951
>
>
>https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/billy-love-as-jackie-brenston-juiced-chess-1472/
>
>
>YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERPTnynRx34
>
>
Here's how "Juiced" flowed in the 1951 Singles Battle

R1
>3 The Andrews Sisters - A Penny A Kiss,A Penny A Hug - Decca 27414
>21 Jackie Brenston & His Delta Cats - Juiced - Chess 1472
>
R2
>4 Kay Starr - Honky Tonk Hardwood Floor - Capitol 1856
>13 Jackie Brenston & His Delta Cats - Juiced - Chess 1472
>
R3
>11 Jackie Brenston & His Delta Cats - Juiced - Chess 1472
>8 Roy Brown - Beautician Blues - DeLuxe 3313
>
R4
>13 Sonny Boy Williamson - Eyesight To The Blind - Trumpet 139
>7 Jackie Brenston & His Delta Cats - Juiced - Chess 1472

>SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 2/10

Samp's tirades against the business practices and ethics prevalent in
the record industry at this time are getting more and more frequent
and are beginning to really irritate me especially when they affect
his grading of records which definitely seems to be the case here.

I mean.....a 2??? A TWO ????

This can ONLY be because the ethics involved here are superceding the
sound that is coming out of the speakers for Samp. WTF???

And yes,I know the artist here was Billy Love and that Jackie Brenston
had nothing whatever to do with it. But regardkess of artist I think
its still a really good rockin' number and its a low 8 for me.

And yes,the fact that it was really Billy Love was made perfectly
clear at the start of the 1951 Battle but didn;t seem to do the record
any harm in ending up 39th on the list of most successful records in
that years Battle

ROGER FORD
-----------------------

"Spam Free Zone" - to combat unwanted automatic spamming I have added
an extra "b" in my e-mail address (mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk) Please
delete same before responding.Thank you!

--
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
https://www.avg.com

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<2WD7K.857797$aT3.456697@fx09.iad>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24798&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24798

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!news.uzoreto.com!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx09.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.8.0
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;
JULY 1951
Content-Language: en-US
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
<625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org>
From: Dia...@NoSpam.net (DianeE)
In-Reply-To: <625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lines: 39
Message-ID: <2WD7K.857797$aT3.456697@fx09.iad>
X-Complaints-To: http://www.newsleecher.com/support/
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:18:22 UTC
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:18:23 -0400
X-Received-Bytes: 2636
 by: DianeE - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:18 UTC

On 4/19/2022 10:57 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951
>>
>>
>> https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/billy-love-as-jackie-brenston-juiced-chess-1472/
>>
>>
>> YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERPTnynRx34

>
>> SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 2/10
>
> Samp's tirades against the business practices and ethics prevalent in
> the record industry at this time are getting more and more frequent
> and are beginning to really irritate me especially when they affect
> his grading of records which definitely seems to be the case here.
>
> I mean.....a 2??? A TWO ????
>
> This can ONLY be because the ethics involved here are superceding the
> sound that is coming out of the speakers for Samp. WTF???
>
> And yes,I know the artist here was Billy Love and that Jackie Brenston
> had nothing whatever to do with it. But regardkess of artist I think
> its still a really good rockin' number and its a low 8 for me.
>
> And yes,the fact that it was really Billy Love was made perfectly
> clear at the start of the 1951 Battle but didn;t seem to do the record
> any harm in ending up 39th on the list of most successful records in
> that years Battle
-----------I couldn't agree with you more. If you're going to be a
*music* critic you have to put aside your personal feelings about the
artist--certainly about the producer, or the record company!
Incidentally, Google is not helping me discover who Billy Love was. I
thought he was a member of Ike Turner's band but I was getting him mixed
up with Billy Gayles (or Gale). Did he make any other records?

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<e8e069c2-c5a2-49c3-b5fc-fd4f0be9e2aen@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24799&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24799

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
X-Received: by 2002:a37:a50:0:b0:69c:7024:7090 with SMTP id 77-20020a370a50000000b0069c70247090mr11224150qkk.48.1650396590309;
Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:29:50 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5551:0:b0:2f1:ea20:40a with SMTP id
o17-20020ac85551000000b002f1ea20040amr11445879qtr.139.1650396590131; Tue, 19
Apr 2022 12:29:50 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:29:49 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <2WD7K.857797$aT3.456697@fx09.iad>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=100.1.92.145; posting-account=n9xsxgkAAACbwJmqxLqYq22Bsa6pSjao
NNTP-Posting-Host: 100.1.92.145
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
<625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org> <2WD7K.857797$aT3.456697@fx09.iad>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <e8e069c2-c5a2-49c3-b5fc-fd4f0be9e2aen@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;
JULY 1951
From: Savo...@aol.com (Bruce)
Injection-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:29:50 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 43
 by: Bruce - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:29 UTC

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 3:18:24 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> On 4/19/2022 10:57 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/billy-love-as-jackie-brenston-juiced-chess-1472/
> >>
> >>
> >> YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERPTnynRx34
>
> >
> >> SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 2/10
> >
> > Samp's tirades against the business practices and ethics prevalent in
> > the record industry at this time are getting more and more frequent
> > and are beginning to really irritate me especially when they affect
> > his grading of records which definitely seems to be the case here.
> >
> > I mean.....a 2??? A TWO ????
> >
> > This can ONLY be because the ethics involved here are superceding the
> > sound that is coming out of the speakers for Samp. WTF???
> >
> > And yes,I know the artist here was Billy Love and that Jackie Brenston
> > had nothing whatever to do with it. But regardkess of artist I think
> > its still a really good rockin' number and its a low 8 for me.
> >
> > And yes,the fact that it was really Billy Love was made perfectly
> > clear at the start of the 1951 Battle but didn;t seem to do the record
> > any harm in ending up 39th on the list of most successful records in
> > that years Battle
> -----------I couldn't agree with you more. If you're going to be a
> *music* critic you have to put aside your personal feelings about the
> artist--certainly about the producer, or the record company!

I thought you were one of the people here who doesn't agree with....

ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS

For instance you don't like anything by Betty Lavette because of her association with Wilhelms.

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<65f0807d-28a7-495c-b40e-242aa7ba482cn@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24800&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24800

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:29e7:b0:446:6d26:2440 with SMTP id jv7-20020a05621429e700b004466d262440mr5057744qvb.118.1650397079792;
Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4415:b0:69e:c048:dd87 with SMTP id
v21-20020a05620a441500b0069ec048dd87mr3474639qkp.0.1650397079663; Tue, 19 Apr
2022 12:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <e8e069c2-c5a2-49c3-b5fc-fd4f0be9e2aen@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=100.35.68.3; posting-account=7V16qAoAAAAFuA9snpkFfQdOsgwav22Y
NNTP-Posting-Host: 100.35.68.3
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
<625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org> <2WD7K.857797$aT3.456697@fx09.iad> <e8e069c2-c5a2-49c3-b5fc-fd4f0be9e2aen@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <65f0807d-28a7-495c-b40e-242aa7ba482cn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;
JULY 1951
From: bbu...@optonline.net (Bill B)
Injection-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:37:59 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 5
 by: Bill B - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:37 UTC

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 3:29:50 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS

That would include lyrics, no?

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<0603a3cd-4d18-4d5c-af59-49e00002cccdn@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24801&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24801

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
X-Received: by 2002:a37:62c4:0:b0:69e:7b8a:e727 with SMTP id w187-20020a3762c4000000b0069e7b8ae727mr9427413qkb.691.1650397567967;
Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:144c:b0:2e2:2386:55f with SMTP id
v12-20020a05622a144c00b002e22386055fmr11598509qtx.354.1650397567856; Tue, 19
Apr 2022 12:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <65f0807d-28a7-495c-b40e-242aa7ba482cn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=100.1.92.145; posting-account=n9xsxgkAAACbwJmqxLqYq22Bsa6pSjao
NNTP-Posting-Host: 100.1.92.145
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
<625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org> <2WD7K.857797$aT3.456697@fx09.iad>
<e8e069c2-c5a2-49c3-b5fc-fd4f0be9e2aen@googlegroups.com> <65f0807d-28a7-495c-b40e-242aa7ba482cn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <0603a3cd-4d18-4d5c-af59-49e00002cccdn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;
JULY 1951
From: Savo...@aol.com (Bruce)
Injection-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:46:07 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 20
 by: Bruce - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:46 UTC

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 3:38:00 PM UTC-4, bb...@optonline.net wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 3:29:50 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>
> > ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS
> That would include lyrics, no?

It doesn't mean "EVERYTHING" that you can hear must matter. It means that ONLY things you can hear CAN matter. Which of those things that can be heard matter or don't matter is up to the listener.

Nothing else matters, including....

Whether or not it sounds like anything else (originality).
Who the artist is.
Who wrote the song or produced or arranged the record.
Whether or not the correct artist is listed on the label.
What good or bad things the artist of label owner or anyone else associated with the record has done in their lives.

When the record was recorded.
Who played on the record and whether or not that is known.

EVERY record should be judged solely on its sonic merits.

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<ef86905b-df21-4a35-a422-3f8c6de06ab1n@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24802&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24802

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:2988:b0:69c:712c:6230 with SMTP id r8-20020a05620a298800b0069c712c6230mr11291273qkp.278.1650406060679;
Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:07:40 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a37:89c7:0:b0:69a:121b:9256 with SMTP id
l190-20020a3789c7000000b0069a121b9256mr11235957qkd.218.1650406060451; Tue, 19
Apr 2022 15:07:40 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:07:40 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <e8e069c2-c5a2-49c3-b5fc-fd4f0be9e2aen@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2600:6c65:767f:a49e:c0fb:5bb5:1ad1:a09f;
posting-account=ce4IyQoAAAC-8Cq3xOf6BM3QoZHn_L-z
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2600:6c65:767f:a49e:c0fb:5bb5:1ad1:a09f
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
<625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org> <2WD7K.857797$aT3.456697@fx09.iad> <e8e069c2-c5a2-49c3-b5fc-fd4f0be9e2aen@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <ef86905b-df21-4a35-a422-3f8c6de06ab1n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;
JULY 1951
From: soulexpr...@gmail.com (Dean F.)
Injection-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:07:40 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 4
 by: Dean F. - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:07 UTC

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 3:29:50 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> For instance you don't like anything by Betty Lavette because of her association with Wilhelms.

Then she also mustn't like anything by Howard Tate or LaVern Baker. Fred was their lawyer too.

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<5d1f5ea8-612a-4258-8758-b420432a3930n@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24803&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24803

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:127c:b0:69c:9169:d27a with SMTP id b28-20020a05620a127c00b0069c9169d27amr10902789qkl.494.1650406102324;
Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:08:22 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2aaf:b0:446:77c0:50d5 with SMTP id
js15-20020a0562142aaf00b0044677c050d5mr3324477qvb.48.1650406101815; Tue, 19
Apr 2022 15:08:21 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:08:21 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2600:6c65:767f:a49e:c0fb:5bb5:1ad1:a09f;
posting-account=ce4IyQoAAAC-8Cq3xOf6BM3QoZHn_L-z
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2600:6c65:767f:a49e:c0fb:5bb5:1ad1:a09f
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <5d1f5ea8-612a-4258-8758-b420432a3930n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;
JULY 1951
From: soulexpr...@gmail.com (Dean F.)
Injection-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:08:22 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 4
 by: Dean F. - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:08 UTC

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 2/10

Seriously? I always thought it was a good record.

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<17c42559-b87e-4a2c-829f-2338133c6f8en@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24804&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24804

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:147:b0:2f3:3f7f:602e with SMTP id v7-20020a05622a014700b002f33f7f602emr818147qtw.439.1650407200937;
Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:26:40 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4309:b0:67b:3fc1:86eb with SMTP id
u9-20020a05620a430900b0067b3fc186ebmr10986470qko.495.1650407200693; Tue, 19
Apr 2022 15:26:40 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!rocksolid2!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:26:40 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <5d1f5ea8-612a-4258-8758-b420432a3930n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=100.1.92.145; posting-account=n9xsxgkAAACbwJmqxLqYq22Bsa6pSjao
NNTP-Posting-Host: 100.1.92.145
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com> <5d1f5ea8-612a-4258-8758-b420432a3930n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <17c42559-b87e-4a2c-829f-2338133c6f8en@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;
JULY 1951
From: Savo...@aol.com (Bruce)
Injection-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:26:40 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lines: 63
 by: Bruce - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:26 UTC

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 6:08:22 PM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>
> > SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 2/10
>
> Seriously? I always thought it was a good record.

Here's part of the review:

The scenario being laid out might justify the frenzied vocals as Love is aiming to get Juiced, preferably as fast as possible. Unlike the laid back joyride of the record that inspired this, here it sounds like an inexperienced and overeager high schooler whose parents left on vacation for a week who’s eager to get the keg party started. But since he doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing he’ll be passed out before the sun goes down while his family’s house gets trashed.

The band is just as out of control as he is, careening around the studio with no firm destination in mind, each musician trying to create as much racket as they can in the process. The electric guitar gets the most run time early on and you wish somebody pulled the plug on their amp. Compare this out of control playing to the intense focus of Goree Carter… or Willie Kizart for that matter, and the difference is palpable, where a skilled guitar not only would produce a better sound by knowing how to rein it in, but actually a more exciting one as well.

The sax that gets the second break is equally over-matched, blasting away indiscriminately and providing absolutely no quality music in the bargain. The pianist and bassist sound like the only two who’ve used their instruments before this session, although the band does manage to at least calm things down – comparatively speaking – behind the vocals which helps somewhat, whenever someone takes a solo Love starts hollering out encouragement and things go off the rails again.

My guess is that Love is just yelling to be heard over the din and with a greedy look in his eye is telling Phillips that if this is what Sam was after then he’s got at least three dozen other aimless hyperactive performances he could churn out for the same fee.

All Get Loose
Because of the ridiculous amount of promotional hype they poured into this – plus an audience who hadn’t yet learned what nefarious deeds Chess was capable of carrying out to get at their pocketful of coins – this cacophonous record managed to make a number of regional charts, albeit just for a lone week for any of them not named Chicago, where the company used their local clout to keep it selling for a few more weeks to be able to save face.

Though the contents of Juiced are pretty poor, they might not be quite as terrible as we’re grading it. The unhinged wild act he puts on is a little forced maybe, but it’s not inauthentic at least and Billy Love only did what was asked of him. Of course since that included selling his soul to a pair of devils we can’t let him off the hook entirely.

If we wanted to go out of our way to be exceedingly generous and give credit for musical anarchy alone we might’ve been persuaded to bump this up a single point. But considering all of the slime we had to reach through just to get to the record in the first place, we aren’t about to be lenient to the detestable low-lifes responsible for this con job.

Let’s put it this way… if the record business was like the automotive industry, this release certainly would’ve violated the lemon law and every one of us would be in for a refund.

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<fSI7K.243205$41E7.25660@fx37.iad>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24806&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24806

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!news.uzoreto.com!news-out.netnews.com!news.alt.net!fdc2.netnews.com!peer03.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx37.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.8.0
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;
JULY 1951
Content-Language: en-US
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
<625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org> <2WD7K.857797$aT3.456697@fx09.iad>
<e8e069c2-c5a2-49c3-b5fc-fd4f0be9e2aen@googlegroups.com>
From: Dia...@NoSpam.net (DianeE)
In-Reply-To: <e8e069c2-c5a2-49c3-b5fc-fd4f0be9e2aen@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lines: 54
Message-ID: <fSI7K.243205$41E7.25660@fx37.iad>
X-Complaints-To: http://www.newsleecher.com/support/
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 00:55:39 UTC
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 20:55:40 -0400
X-Received-Bytes: 3441
 by: DianeE - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 00:55 UTC

On 4/19/2022 3:29 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 3:18:24 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
>> On 4/19/2022 10:57 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/billy-love-as-jackie-brenston-juiced-chess-1472/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERPTnynRx34
>>
>>>
>>>> SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 2/10
>>>
>>> Samp's tirades against the business practices and ethics prevalent in
>>> the record industry at this time are getting more and more frequent
>>> and are beginning to really irritate me especially when they affect
>>> his grading of records which definitely seems to be the case here.
>>>
>>> I mean.....a 2??? A TWO ????
>>>
>>> This can ONLY be because the ethics involved here are superceding the
>>> sound that is coming out of the speakers for Samp. WTF???
>>>
>>> And yes,I know the artist here was Billy Love and that Jackie Brenston
>>> had nothing whatever to do with it. But regardkess of artist I think
>>> its still a really good rockin' number and its a low 8 for me.
>>>
>>> And yes,the fact that it was really Billy Love was made perfectly
>>> clear at the start of the 1951 Battle but didn;t seem to do the record
>>> any harm in ending up 39th on the list of most successful records in
>>> that years Battle
>> -----------I couldn't agree with you more. If you're going to be a
>> *music* critic you have to put aside your personal feelings about the
>> artist--certainly about the producer, or the record company!
>
> I thought you were one of the people here who doesn't agree with....
>
> ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS
>
> For instance you don't like anything by Betty Lavette because of her association with Wilhelms.
>
------------
First of all, I do like her records from the 1960s--in fact, I bought
"He Made A Woman Out Of Me" when it came out (on the Silver Fox label).
Second, I am not, nor am I pretending to be, a music critic. If I
were, I would try to set aside my personal feelings about her, or if I
couldn't, I'd just recuse myself from writing about her work.

BTW, Sampson would probably pan "He Made A Woman Out Of Me" because its
lyrics are very disturbing by today's standards.

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<tUI7K.243206$41E7.49865@fx37.iad>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24807&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24807

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!news.uzoreto.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!news-out.netnews.com!news.alt.net!fdc2.netnews.com!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx37.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.8.0
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;
JULY 1951
Content-Language: en-US
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
<625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org> <2WD7K.857797$aT3.456697@fx09.iad>
<e8e069c2-c5a2-49c3-b5fc-fd4f0be9e2aen@googlegroups.com>
<ef86905b-df21-4a35-a422-3f8c6de06ab1n@googlegroups.com>
From: Dia...@NoSpam.net (DianeE)
In-Reply-To: <ef86905b-df21-4a35-a422-3f8c6de06ab1n@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lines: 9
Message-ID: <tUI7K.243206$41E7.49865@fx37.iad>
X-Complaints-To: http://www.newsleecher.com/support/
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 00:58:01 UTC
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 20:58:02 -0400
X-Received-Bytes: 1493
 by: DianeE - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 00:58 UTC

On 4/19/2022 6:07 PM, Dean F. wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 3:29:50 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>
>> For instance you don't like anything by Betty Lavette because of her association with Wilhelms.
>
> Then she also mustn't like anything by Howard Tate or LaVern Baker. Fred was their lawyer too.
--------
It's not true that I "don't like anything by Betty Lavette," as detailed
in the post I just made.

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<625f93ea.411246406@nntp.aioe.org>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24812&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24812

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!npB4FiOEk4RHQIjJFMDeyw.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 05:11:42 GMT
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <625f93ea.411246406@nntp.aioe.org>
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com> <625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org> <2WD7K.857797$aT3.456697@fx09.iad>
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="6463"; posting-host="npB4FiOEk4RHQIjJFMDeyw.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 220419-10, 4/19/2022), Outbound message
 by: Roger Ford - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 05:11 UTC

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:18:23 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>On 4/19/2022 10:57 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/billy-love-as-jackie-brenston-juiced-chess-1472/
>>>
>>>
>>> YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERPTnynRx34
>
>>
>>> SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 2/10
>>
>> Samp's tirades against the business practices and ethics prevalent in
>> the record industry at this time are getting more and more frequent
>> and are beginning to really irritate me especially when they affect
>> his grading of records which definitely seems to be the case here.
>>
>> I mean.....a 2??? A TWO ????
>>
>> This can ONLY be because the ethics involved here are superceding the
>> sound that is coming out of the speakers for Samp. WTF???
>>
>> And yes,I know the artist here was Billy Love and that Jackie Brenston
>> had nothing whatever to do with it. But regardkess of artist I think
>> its still a really good rockin' number and its a low 8 for me.
>>
>> And yes,the fact that it was really Billy Love was made perfectly
>> clear at the start of the 1951 Battle but didn;t seem to do the record
>> any harm in ending up 39th on the list of most successful records in
>> that years Battle
>-----------I couldn't agree with you more. If you're going to be a
>*music* critic you have to put aside your personal feelings about the
>artist--certainly about the producer, or the record company!
>Incidentally, Google is not helping me discover who Billy Love was. I
>thought he was a member of Ike Turner's band but I was getting him mixed
>up with Billy Gayles (or Gale). Did he make any other records?

Here's a pretty good piece on Billy Love

https://tims.blackcat.nl/messages/billy_red_love.htm

His best record under his own name IMO "Drop Top" from 1952 recorded
at 706 Union and leased to Chess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9fp0V-ylwo

ROGER FORD
-----------------------

"Spam Free Zone" - to combat unwanted automatic spamming I have added
an extra "b" in my e-mail address (mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk) Please
delete same before responding.Thank you!

--
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
https://www.avg.com

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<9fd5b0a3-8557-4f70-b5af-41176215bd4en@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24813&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24813

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:2902:b0:69e:b906:7078 with SMTP id m2-20020a05620a290200b0069eb9067078mr5832277qkp.717.1650431574502;
Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:12:54 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4309:b0:67b:3fc1:86eb with SMTP id
u9-20020a05620a430900b0067b3fc186ebmr11611982qko.495.1650431574331; Tue, 19
Apr 2022 22:12:54 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:12:54 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <625f93ea.411246406@nntp.aioe.org>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=100.1.92.145; posting-account=n9xsxgkAAACbwJmqxLqYq22Bsa6pSjao
NNTP-Posting-Host: 100.1.92.145
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
<625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org> <2WD7K.857797$aT3.456697@fx09.iad> <625f93ea.411246406@nntp.aioe.org>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <9fd5b0a3-8557-4f70-b5af-41176215bd4en@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;
JULY 1951
From: Savo...@aol.com (Bruce)
Injection-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 05:12:54 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lines: 147
 by: Bruce - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 05:12 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 1:11:45 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:18:23 -0400, DianeE <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote:
>
> >On 4/19/2022 10:57 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
> >> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/billy-love-as-jackie-brenston-juiced-chess-1472/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERPTnynRx34
> >
> >>
> >>> SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 2/10
> >>
> >> Samp's tirades against the business practices and ethics prevalent in
> >> the record industry at this time are getting more and more frequent
> >> and are beginning to really irritate me especially when they affect
> >> his grading of records which definitely seems to be the case here.
> >>
> >> I mean.....a 2??? A TWO ????
> >>
> >> This can ONLY be because the ethics involved here are superceding the
> >> sound that is coming out of the speakers for Samp. WTF???
> >>
> >> And yes,I know the artist here was Billy Love and that Jackie Brenston
> >> had nothing whatever to do with it. But regardkess of artist I think
> >> its still a really good rockin' number and its a low 8 for me.
> >>
> >> And yes,the fact that it was really Billy Love was made perfectly
> >> clear at the start of the 1951 Battle but didn;t seem to do the record
> >> any harm in ending up 39th on the list of most successful records in
> >> that years Battle
> >-----------I couldn't agree with you more. If you're going to be a
> >*music* critic you have to put aside your personal feelings about the
> >artist--certainly about the producer, or the record company!
> >Incidentally, Google is not helping me discover who Billy Love was. I
> >thought he was a member of Ike Turner's band but I was getting him mixed
> >up with Billy Gayles (or Gale). Did he make any other records?
> Here's a pretty good piece on Billy Love
>
> https://tims.blackcat.nl/messages/billy_red_love.htm

BILLY 'RED' LOVE
Born Milton Morse Love, 8 December 1929, Memphis, Tennesssee
Died 2 May 1975, Colorado Springs, Colorado

Singer / pianist / songwriter / arranger. Until recently, very little information was available about Billy 'Red' Love, an R&B artist who recorded for Sam Phillips at 706 Union Avenue in the early 1950s. He was never interviewed and never featured in any music publications. Thanks to the admirable research of Martin Hawkins for the new Bear Family CD, many new facts have come to light. Billy's instrument was the piano. It is unknown whether he had any formal training on piano or what his basic influences were. By the late 1940s he was gaining a good reputation in Memphis as a player and as a teacher (Rosco Gordon was one of his pupils and called Love a formidable pianist).

In 1951 Sam Phillips was very busy in his part-time studio (the Memphis Recording Service), recording as much of the local blues and R&B talent as he could. He had not yet started his Sun label and leased most of his product to Chess and RPM/Modern. Billy Love did some session work for Phillips, backing Walter Horton, Rufus Thomas and Willie Nix, before he got the chance to cut his own record as a singer-pianist. This resulted in the storming drinking song "Juiced", probably cut on July 24, 1951. Phillips was under pressure from Chess to come up with a good follow-up for Jackie Brenston's "Rocket 88" (a # 1 R&B record, produced by Phillips, his first big success), after "My Real Gone Rocket" had bombed. It was decided to issue "Juiced" under Jackie Brenston's name (Chess 1472). Brenston was a better sax player than a singer and hardly had time for recording, as he was in constant demand on the road. Love was a better singer, wrote his own songs and played a mean piano. "Juiced" was the finest record that Jackie Brenston never made - and that Billy Love was never credited with making. But it did not chart. Love's next session took place in October or November 1951 and yielded three songs, two of which, "Drop Top" and "You're Gonna Cry" were issued as a Chess single (1508), this time credited to "Billy 'Red' Love and his orchestra". "Drop Top" was in the same uninhibited style as "Juiced", an attempt to follow in the slipstream of "Rocket 88". There were four sessions in 1952, but only one single was released, "My Teddy Bear Baby"/"Poor Man" (Chess 1516, now very rare). These two singles seem to have received very little promotional support from Chess and sold poorly. Through 1952 (the year in which Sun Records was launched), Love continued to work as a session pianist at Phillips's studio, but Sam's files are completely silent on Billy Love for the whole of 1953.

On January 19, 1954 Love returned to the Sun studio with a new band and cut five titles. He must have had a real expectation of seeing his first Sun record out in the spring, and so must Sam Phillips, who scheduled "Hey Now" and "Way After Midnight" for release on Sun 205, registering their copyrights with BMI that May. Sam assigned Sun master numbers to the two titles (U 118 and U 119), but the record did not appear with the May batch of Sun discs. By July, the first record by Elvis Presley had been released on Sun 209 and Phillips was too busy promoting his hot new property to release Love's disc. It was the beginning of the end for most blues and R&B singers at Sun and particularly so for Love who had a reputation for unreliability. Phillips told Martin Hawkins : "Billy Love was a supergood musician but he didn't have the gut desire to succeed. Not that he didn't want to, but I didn't have time to waste and I think Billy's problem was lack of patience and devotion to what he was doing. He played well but there is a kind of dedication and belief in your music that extends beyond the doors of the studio. He did not have that."

One more session was recorded at the Sun studio, resulting in "Blues Leave Me Alone" and the promotional record "Hart's Bread Boogie" for the Hart's bakery in Memphis (released on Harts H B-66). Pat Hare played guitar on that session ; Billy played piano on Hare's "I'm Gonna Murder My Baby" (recorded May 14, 1954, originally unreleased). Around this time Love had joined Rosco Gordon's band and he spent a good part of the 1954-56 years travelling with Gordon, who re-signed with Sun in 1956 (that's Billy playing piano on "Shoobie Oobie"). In 1957 Love disappeared from Memphis and nobody knew where he had gone. It later turned out that he had relocated to Colorado Springs, playing at Duncan's Cotton Club. He was still living there when he got in trouble with the law in January 1974, accused of selling heroin and possessing an illegal weapon, but apparently this did not lead to a jail sentence. Love's luck ran out the next year. He passed away on Friday May 2, 1975 and was buried at the Memphis National Cemetery. "Drank himself to death", according to Rosco Gordon.

Some of his unissued recordings were included on side 2 of an LP shared with Junior Parker in the "Legendary Sun Performers" series (Charly CR 30135, 1977). The Bear Family CD contains all of his known recordings that have survived (some of the tapes are lost) and was reviewed very positively in Now Dig This 336 (March 2011), by Pete Bowen, who calls Billy Love "a superb purveyor of Memphis music."

CD : Billy 'Red' Love, Gee ... I Wish - The Sun Years Plus (Bear Family BCD 17149). 26 tracks, including a few alternates. Released 2011. 47-page booklet by Martin Hawkins.

Acknowledgements : Martin Hawkins.

YouTube:
- Juiced (Jackie Brenston) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VtG1xMX-n4
- Drop Top : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5Q2re0HDnE
- Blues Leave Me Alone : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGNtQFRDYqU
- Hart's Bread Boogie : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ix4xQtdIec
- Bear Family promo video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1mG5ns-XJs

Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472; JULY 1951

<xxg8K.3$jlbb.2@fx34.iad>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=24844&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s#24844

 copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!news.uzoreto.com!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer02.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx34.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.8.0
Subject: Re: REVIEW - Billy Love (as Jackie Brenston): "Juiced" - CHESS 1472;
JULY 1951
Content-Language: en-US
Newsgroups: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
References: <49d28400-2f37-4327-a4b6-5e5ce5f99e82n@googlegroups.com>
<625eccd3.360279656@nntp.aioe.org> <2WD7K.857797$aT3.456697@fx09.iad>
<625f93ea.411246406@nntp.aioe.org>
<9fd5b0a3-8557-4f70-b5af-41176215bd4en@googlegroups.com>
From: Dia...@NoSpam.net (DianeE)
In-Reply-To: <9fd5b0a3-8557-4f70-b5af-41176215bd4en@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lines: 10
Message-ID: <xxg8K.3$jlbb.2@fx34.iad>
X-Complaints-To: http://www.newsleecher.com/support/
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 17:31:09 UTC
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 13:31:09 -0400
X-Received-Bytes: 1281
 by: DianeE - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 17:31 UTC

On 4/20/2022 1:12 AM, Bruce wrote:

> YouTube:

> - Blues Leave Me Alone : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGNtQFRDYqU
> - Hart's Bread Boogie : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ix4xQtdIec
-------------
These links don't work.

1
server_pubkey.txt

rocksolid light 0.9.7
clearnet tor