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 by: Bruce - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 14:46 UTC

Group 4 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.

It’s All Right - Sam Cooke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pst31-iNecs

I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Hy57bGPQ8

Beside My Love - Dubs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qrJDHaB_lo

Slow Down Baby - Willie C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt2KhdysGC4

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 by: Bruce - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 14:46 UTC

MY RANKINGS

1. Slow Down Baby - Willie C
2. I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals
3. It’s All Right - Sam Cooke
4. Beside My Love - Dubs

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On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 07:46:11 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
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>Group 4 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
>
>
I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals
Beside My Love - Dubs
Slow Down Baby - Willie C
It's All Right - Sam Cooke

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 by: Steve Mc - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 15:03 UTC

1. Slow Down Baby - Willie C

2. It’s All Right - Sam Cooke

3. Beside My Love - Dubs

4. I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals

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> 1. Beside My Love - Dubs
> 2. It’s All Right - Sam Cooke
> 3. I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals
> 4. Slow Down Baby - Willie C

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 by: DianeE - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 15:14 UTC

Another excellent group today, where it's painful to put anything in 3rd
or 4th place!

1-Beside My Love - Dubs
2-I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals
3-Slow Down Baby - Willie C
4-It’s All Right - Sam Cooke

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1. Beside My Love - Dubs

2. Slow Down Baby - Willie C
3. It’s All Right - Sam Cooke

4. I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals

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 by: Rick Schubert - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 16:16 UTC

On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 07:46:11 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com> wrote:

>Group 4 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.

1. Beside My Love - Dubs
2. I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals
3. It's All Right - Sam Cooke
4. Slow Down Baby - Willie C

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1- Sam Cooke

2- Willie C.

3- The Dubs

4- The Royals

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On Apr 22, 2022 at 9:46:11 AM CDT, "Bruce" <SavoyBG@aol.com> wrote:

> Group 4 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
>

It’s All Right - Sam Cooke
I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals
Slow Down Baby - Willie C
Beside My Love - Dubs

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On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 7:46:12 AM UTC-7, Bruce wrote:
> Group 4 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
>

1. I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals
2. Beside My Love - Dubs
3. It’s All Right - Sam Cooke
4. Slow Down Baby - Willie C

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FINAL RANKINGS

1. Beside My Love - Dubs - 28
2. I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals - 25

3. It's All Right - Sam Cooke - 24
4. Slow Down Baby - Willie C - 23

Brucie G's Willie C was in good shape with 2 ballots remaining, but it finished up with a third and a last to finish DEAD FUCKING LAST. Mark's Cooke fell a point short and is also out. Carl's Royals finished up with a second and a first to zoom into second place and make the ELITE 8. Rick's Dubs started slow but picked up 4 consecutive first place votes at one point and easily held on to take first place and also move into the ELITE 8.

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So here are the ELITE 8 for April:

You Never Loved Me - The Monotones (Diane)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e9EI_LDGUw

Double Crossin' Liquor - Sticks McGhee (Roger)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJVCdSO90WM

So Far Away - The Pastels (Mark)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Rrvzdnvp4

Hey Doll Baby - The Clovers (Roger)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeOApYHNvYY

Soldier Of Fortune - The Drifters (Diane)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-96t0d-MK8

Don't Go - Love Notes (Steve)
https://www.youtube.com/watch/tfHV6tYBieA

Beside My Love - Dubs (Rick)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qrJDHaB_lo

I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals (Carl)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Hy57bGPQ8

Diane - 2
Roger - 2
Carl - 1
Mark - 1
Rick - 1
Steve - 1

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 by: Bruce - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 17:45 UTC

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 1:40:21 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> So here are the ELITE 8 for April:
>
>
> You Never Loved Me - The Monotones (Diane)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e9EI_LDGUw
>
> Double Crossin' Liquor - Sticks McGhee (Roger)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJVCdSO90WM
>
> So Far Away - The Pastels (Mark)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Rrvzdnvp4
>
> Hey Doll Baby - The Clovers (Roger)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeOApYHNvYY
>
> Soldier Of Fortune - The Drifters (Diane)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-96t0d-MK8
>
> Don't Go - Love Notes (Steve)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch/tfHV6tYBieA
>
> Beside My Love - Dubs (Rick)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qrJDHaB_lo
>
> I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals (Carl)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Hy57bGPQ8

Look at this, 7 out of 8 are Doo Wops.

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 by: Rick Schubert - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 03:56 UTC

On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 10:45:48 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com> wrote:

>On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 1:40:21 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> So here are the ELITE 8 for April:
>>
>>
>> You Never Loved Me - The Monotones (Diane)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e9EI_LDGUw
>>
>> Double Crossin' Liquor - Sticks McGhee (Roger)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJVCdSO90WM
>>
>> So Far Away - The Pastels (Mark)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Rrvzdnvp4
>>
>> Hey Doll Baby - The Clovers (Roger)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeOApYHNvYY
>>
>> Soldier Of Fortune - The Drifters (Diane)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-96t0d-MK8
>>
>> Don't Go - Love Notes (Steve)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch/tfHV6tYBieA
>>
>> Beside My Love - Dubs (Rick)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qrJDHaB_lo
>>
>> I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals (Carl)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Hy57bGPQ8
>
>Look at this, 7 out of 8 are Doo Wops.

Prelims: 26 out of 45 = 57.8%
Round 1: 17 out of 32 = 53.1%
Round 2: 9 out of 16 = 56.3%
Round 3: 7 out of 8 = 87.5%

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 by: Mark D. - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 14:04 UTC

On Apr 22, 2022 at 12:45:48 PM CDT, "Bruce" <SavoyBG@aol.com> wrote:

> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 1:40:21 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> So here are the ELITE 8 for April:
>>
>>
>> You Never Loved Me - The Monotones (Diane)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e9EI_LDGUw
>>
>> Double Crossin' Liquor - Sticks McGhee (Roger)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJVCdSO90WM
>>
>> So Far Away - The Pastels (Mark)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Rrvzdnvp4
>>
>> Hey Doll Baby - The Clovers (Roger)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeOApYHNvYY
>>
>> Soldier Of Fortune - The Drifters (Diane)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-96t0d-MK8
>>
>> Don't Go - Love Notes (Steve)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch/tfHV6tYBieA
>>
>> Beside My Love - Dubs (Rick)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qrJDHaB_lo
>>
>> I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals (Carl)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Hy57bGPQ8
>
> Look at this, 7 out of 8 are Doo Wops.

Not a surprise. Since two of the voters will rank almost any vocal group
record above any other genre, the vocal groups have an automatic 2-6 point
edge. That's big, particularly because a lot of round 2 is decided by just a
point or two, and it's led to more and more vocal group nominees from the rest
of us.

--md

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 by: Bruce - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 14:15 UTC

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:05:00 AM UTC-4, Mark D. wrote:
> On Apr 22, 2022 at 12:45:48 PM CDT, "Bruce" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 1:40:21 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> So here are the ELITE 8 for April:
> >>
> >>
> >> You Never Loved Me - The Monotones (Diane)
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e9EI_LDGUw
> >>
> >> Double Crossin' Liquor - Sticks McGhee (Roger)
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJVCdSO90WM
> >>
> >> So Far Away - The Pastels (Mark)
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Rrvzdnvp4
> >>
> >> Hey Doll Baby - The Clovers (Roger)
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeOApYHNvYY
> >>
> >> Soldier Of Fortune - The Drifters (Diane)
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-96t0d-MK8
> >>
> >> Don't Go - Love Notes (Steve)
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch/tfHV6tYBieA
> >>
> >> Beside My Love - Dubs (Rick)
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qrJDHaB_lo
> >>
> >> I'll Never Let Her Go - The Royals (Carl)
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Hy57bGPQ8
> >
> > Look at this, 7 out of 8 are Doo Wops.
> Not a surprise. Since two of the voters will rank almost any vocal group
> record above any other genre, the vocal groups have an automatic 2-6 point
> edge.

But there are also a couple of voters who will rarely ever rank a doo wop ballad above last place unless there are 2 or more of those in the same group. Last month's ELITE 8 had 4 doo wops, and the FINAL FOUR had 2 doo wops, and they did finish first and second.

Once Bill came back in the groups certainly had an advantage.

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On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:05:00 AM UTC-4, Mark D. wrote:

>Since two of the voters will rank almost any vocal group
> record above any other genre, the vocal groups have an automatic 2-6 point
> edge. That's big, particularly because a lot of round 2 is decided by just a
> point or two

That's only a half truth in my case. I like a great deal of individual artist R&R, and would vote for records in that genre over many vocal group records. But the opposition in these contests are generally not that genre and are disproportionally Blues. So, I'd amend your statement to "Since two of the voters will rank almost any vocal group over Blues records."

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