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* PPB: The Snow Man / Wallace StevensGeorge J. Dance
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 by: George J. Dance - Thu, 5 Jan 2023 20:40 UTC

Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens

One must have a mind of winter
To regard the frost and the boughs
Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
[...]
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html

#pennyspoems

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 00:29 UTC

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
> The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
>
> One must have a mind of winter
> To regard the frost and the boughs
> Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
>
> #pennyspoems

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On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
> The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
>
> One must have a mind of winter
> To regard the frost and the boughs
> Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
>
> #pennyspoems

Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....

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 by: George Dance - Sat, 7 Jan 2023 20:29 UTC

On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> > Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
> > The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
> >
> > One must have a mind of winter
> > To regard the frost and the boughs
> > Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
> > [...]
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
> >
> > #pennyspoems
> Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....

I'd call it my favorite Stevens poem. It's the first one I read; it was assigned in my one modern poetry class back in uni. I actually didn't like it at all back then. But I've found that Stevens is a lot like David Bowie; anything new he did sounded very weird at first, but grew on me over time.

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 by: Will Dockery - Sat, 7 Jan 2023 22:40 UTC

George Dance wrote:

> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >
>> > Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
>> > The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
>> >
>> > One must have a mind of winter
>> > To regard the frost and the boughs
>> > Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
>> > [...]
>> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
>> >
>> > #pennyspoems
>> Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....

> I'd call it my favorite Stevens poem. It's the first one I read; it was assigned in my one modern poetry class back in uni. I actually didn't like it at all back then. But I've found that Stevens is a lot like David Bowie; anything new he did sounded very weird at first, but grew on me over time.

Interesting comparison, with David Bowie, another all time favorite.

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On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:29:36 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >
> > > Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
> > > The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
> > >
> > > One must have a mind of winter
> > > To regard the frost and the boughs
> > > Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
> > > [...]
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
> > >
> > > #pennyspoems
> > Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....
> I'd call it my favorite Stevens poem. It's the first one I read; it was assigned in my one modern poetry class back in uni. I actually didn't like it at all back then.

Why didn't you like it?
Do you see an advocation of White Supremacy in the poem?
Why is it titled "The Snow Man" instead of "The Snowman?"
Do you think that "shagged" has a sexual meaning in the poem?
There isn't actually a snowman in the poem, so why is it "The Snow Man?"
What is Stevens saying about Man and Nature?
Was Billy Preston's song "Nothing from Nothing" based on this poem?

> But I've found that Stevens is a lot like David Bowie; anything new he did sounded very weird at first, but grew on me over time.
We don't care for David Bowie. What Stevens and Bowie have in common is that they are both dead.

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 by: George Dance - Sat, 7 Jan 2023 23:34 UTC

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:29:36 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
> > > > The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
> > > >
> > > > One must have a mind of winter
> > > > To regard the frost and the boughs
> > > > Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
> > > > [...]
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
> > > >
> > > > #pennyspoems
> > > Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....

> > I'd call it my favorite Stevens poem. It's the first one I read; it was assigned in my one modern poetry class back in uni. I actually didn't like it at all back then.

> Why didn't you like it?

I found it didactic, or preachy. But it's one long run-on sentence, that doesn't have to be interpreted that way.

> Do you see an advocation of White Supremacy in the poem?

No. Do you?

> Why is it titled "The Snow Man" instead of "The Snowman?"

Because it's not a poem about a a snowman. Snowmen have nothing to do with it.

> Do you think that "shagged" has a sexual meaning in the poem?

No; "shagged" obviously has its primary meaning:
"verb (1)
shagged; shagging
intransitive verb
: to fall or hang in shaggy masses"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shag

What do you think?

> There isn't actually a snowman in the poem, so why is it "The Snow Man?"

See above.

> What is Stevens saying about Man and Nature?

I think he's saying that one must purge our minds of our ideas about the thing (in this case, the winter landscape) in order to see the thing in itself. What do you think he's saying?

> Was Billy Preston's song "Nothing from Nothing" based on this poem?

Doubtful. Where would you get an idea like that from? The two occurrences of "Nothing" in the last line?

> > But I've found that Stevens is a lot like David Bowie; anything new he did sounded very weird at first, but grew on me over time.

> We don't care for David Bowie. What Stevens and Bowie have in common is that they are both dead.

Do you think anyone cares whether you care for David Bowie or not?

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 by: W.Dockery - Sun, 8 Jan 2023 03:31 UTC

George Dance wrote:

> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:29:36 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
>> > > > The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
>> > > >
>> > > > One must have a mind of winter
>> > > > To regard the frost and the boughs
>> > > > Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
>> > > > [...]
>> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
>> > > >
>> > > > #pennyspoems
>> > > Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....

>> > I'd call it my favorite Stevens poem. It's the first one I read; it was assigned in my one modern poetry class back in uni. I actually didn't like it at all back then.

>> Why didn't you like it?

> I found it didactic, or preachy. But it's one long run-on sentence, that doesn't have to be interpreted that way.

>> Do you see an advocation of White Supremacy in the poem?

> No. Do you?

>> Why is it titled "The Snow Man" instead of "The Snowman?"

> Because it's not a poem about a a snowman. Snowmen have nothing to do with it.

>> Do you think that "shagged" has a sexual meaning in the poem?

> No; "shagged" obviously has its primary meaning:
> "verb (1)
> shagged; shagging
> intransitive verb
> : to fall or hang in shaggy masses"
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shag

> What do you think?

>> There isn't actually a snowman in the poem, so why is it "The Snow Man?"

> See above.

>> What is Stevens saying about Man and Nature?

> I think he's saying that one must purge our minds of our ideas about the thing (in this case, the winter landscape) in order to see the thing in itself. What do you think he's saying?

>> Was Billy Preston's song "Nothing from Nothing" based on this poem?

> Doubtful. Where would you get an idea like that from? The two occurrences of "Nothing" in the last line?

>> > But I've found that Stevens is a lot like David Bowie; anything new he did sounded very weird at first, but grew on me over time.

>> We don't care for David Bowie. What Stevens and Bowie have in common is that they are both dead.

> Do you think anyone cares whether you care for David Bowie or not?

NancyGene continues to display her ignorance.

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 by: Will Dockery - Sun, 8 Jan 2023 12:03 UTC

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:29:36 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
> > > > The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
> > > >
> > > > One must have a mind of winter
> > > > To regard the frost and the boughs
> > > > Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
> > > > [...]
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
> > > >
> > > > #pennyspoems
> > > Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....
> > I'd call it my favorite Stevens poem. It's the first one I read; it was assigned in my one modern poetry class back in uni. I actually didn't like it at all back then.
> Why didn't you like it?
> Do you see an advocation of White Supremacy in the poem?
> Why is it titled "The Snow Man" instead of "The Snowman?"
> Do you think that "shagged" has a sexual meaning in the poem?
> There isn't actually a snowman in the poem, so why is it "The Snow Man?"
> What is Stevens saying about Man and Nature?
> Was Billy Preston's song "Nothing from Nothing" based on this poem?
> > But I've found that Stevens is a lot like David Bowie; anything new he did sounded very weird at first, but grew on me over time.
> We don't care for David Bowie. What Stevens and Bowie have in common is that they are both dead.

You probably prefer Pat Boone and Tiny Tim to David Bowie and Wallace Stevens, right?

🙂

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 by: NancyGene - Sun, 8 Jan 2023 18:13 UTC

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 11:34:11 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:29:36 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
> > > > > The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
> > > > >
> > > > > One must have a mind of winter
> > > > > To regard the frost and the boughs
> > > > > Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
> > > > >
> > > > > #pennyspoems
> > > > Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....
>
> > > I'd call it my favorite Stevens poem. It's the first one I read; it was assigned in my one modern poetry class back in uni. I actually didn't like it at all back then.
>
> > Why didn't you like it?
> I found it didactic, or preachy. But it's one long run-on sentence, that doesn't have to be interpreted that way.

George Dance, you should have stated when you posted the poem that you used to find it didactic/preachy, then give a reason (that doesn't mention glitter people) why you changed your mind. The poem is not a run-on sentence--it is correctly punctuated. The two semicolons are there because the lists/reasons he gives already contain several commas.

> > Do you see an advocation of White Supremacy in the poem?
> No. Do you?
Perhaps it's subliminal in the poem? Quoting Mr. Stevens, "“Who’s the coon?"

> > Why is it titled "The Snow Man" instead of "The Snowman?"
> Because it's not a poem about a a snowman. Snowmen have nothing to do with it.
Then why isn't it "The Trash Man" or "The Woods Man?"

> > Do you think that "shagged" has a sexual meaning in the poem?
> No; "shagged" obviously has its primary meaning:
> "verb (1)
> shagged; shagging
> intransitive verb
> : to fall or hang in shaggy masses"
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shag
If we interpret the poem in "modern" language, it says that the junipers were raped with ice. Now, why wouldn't someone want to change the wording to make it less offensive? If it's not under copyright, someone should do that, right?

>
> What do you think?
> > There isn't actually a snowman in the poem, so why is it "The Snow Man?"
> See above.

Therefore, it could also be "The Trash Man?"

> > What is Stevens saying about Man and Nature?
> I think he's saying that one must purge our minds of our ideas about the thing (in this case, the winter landscape) in order to see the thing in itself. What do you think he's saying?
Don't confuse what we see in Nature with what we see in Man.

> > Was Billy Preston's song "Nothing from Nothing" based on this poem?
> Doubtful. Where would you get an idea like that from? The two occurrences of "Nothing" in the last line?
Obviously. It could also have been inspired by Frances Ellen Watkins Harper's poem "Nothing and Something."

> > > But I've found that Stevens is a lot like David Bowie; anything new he did sounded very weird at first, but grew on me over time.
>
> > We don't care for David Bowie. What Stevens and Bowie have in common is that they are both dead.
> Do you think anyone cares whether you care for David Bowie or not?
No more than anyone cares that the Columbus Pissbums think that it is a "lovely" poem or that David Bowie is an "all-time favorite" of theirs.

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 by: General-Zod - Sun, 8 Jan 2023 18:32 UTC

George Dance wrote:

> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >
>> > Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
>> > The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
>> >
>> > One must have a mind of winter
>> > To regard the frost and the boughs
>> > Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
>> > [...]
>> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
>> >
>> > #pennyspoems
>> Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....

> I'd call it my favorite Stevens poem. It's the first one I read; it was assigned in my one modern poetry class back in uni. I actually didn't like it at all back then. But I've found that Stevens is a lot like David Bowie; anything new he did sounded very weird at first, but grew on me over time.

GOOD MORNING, AGREED COMPLETELY....

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 by: Jordy C - Sun, 8 Jan 2023 19:22 UTC

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:29:36 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
> > > > The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
> > > >
> > > > One must have a mind of winter
> > > > To regard the frost and the boughs
> > > > Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
> > > > [...]
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
> > > >
> > > > #pennyspoems
> > > Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....
> > I'd call it my favorite Stevens poem. It's the first one I read; it was assigned in my one modern poetry class back in uni. I actually didn't like it at all back then.
> Why didn't you like it?
> Do you see an advocation of White Supremacy in the poem?
> Why is it titled "The Snow Man" instead of "The Snowman?"
> Do you think that "shagged" has a sexual meaning in the poem?
> There isn't actually a snowman in the poem, so why is it "The Snow Man?"
> What is Stevens saying about Man and Nature?
> Was Billy Preston's song "Nothing from Nothing" based on this poem?
> > But I've found that Stevens is a lot like David Bowie; anything new he did sounded very weird at first, but grew on me over time.
> We don't care for David Bowie. What Stevens and Bowie have in common is that they are both dead.
Bowie(along with Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen, The Beatles etc)is one of the GREATEST artists of ALL TIME!!!

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 by: W-Dockery - Mon, 9 Jan 2023 03:41 UTC

Jordy C wrote:

> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:29:36 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
>> > > > The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
>> > > >
>> > > > One must have a mind of winter
>> > > > To regard the frost and the boughs
>> > > > Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
>> > > > [...]
>> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
>> > > >
>> > > > #pennyspoems
>> > > Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....
>> > I'd call it my favorite Stevens poem. It's the first one I read; it was assigned in my one modern poetry class back in uni. I actually didn't like it at all back then.
>> Why didn't you like it?
>> Do you see an advocation of White Supremacy in the poem?
>> Why is it titled "The Snow Man" instead of "The Snowman?"
>> Do you think that "shagged" has a sexual meaning in the poem?
>> There isn't actually a snowman in the poem, so why is it "The Snow Man?"
>> What is Stevens saying about Man and Nature?
>> Was Billy Preston's song "Nothing from Nothing" based on this poem?
>> > But I've found that Stevens is a lot like David Bowie; anything new he did sounded very weird at first, but grew on me over time.
>> We don't care for David Bowie. What Stevens and Bowie have in common is that they are both dead.
> Bowie(along with Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen, The Beatles etc)is one of the GREATEST artists of ALL TIME!!!

Agreed and seconded.

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Subject: Re: PPB: The Snow Man / Wallace Stevens
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 by: Will Dockery - Mon, 9 Jan 2023 10:40 UTC

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 6:34:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:29:36 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
> > > > > The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
> > > > >
> > > > > One must have a mind of winter
> > > > > To regard the frost and the boughs
> > > > > Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
> > > > >
> > > > > #pennyspoems
> > > > Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....
>
> > > I'd call it my favorite Stevens poem. It's the first one I read; it was assigned in my one modern poetry class back in uni. I actually didn't like it at all back then.
>
> > Why didn't you like it?
> I found it didactic, or preachy. But it's one long run-on sentence, that doesn't have to be interpreted that way.
> > Do you see an advocation of White Supremacy in the poem?
> No. Do you?
> > Why is it titled "The Snow Man" instead of "The Snowman?"
> Because it's not a poem about a a snowman. Snowmen have nothing to do with it.
> > Do you think that "shagged" has a sexual meaning in the poem?
> No; "shagged" obviously has its primary meaning:
> "verb (1)
> shagged; shagging
> intransitive verb
> : to fall or hang in shaggy masses"
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shag
>
> What do you think?
I think NancyGene has watched too much Austin Powers.

> > There isn't actually a snowman in the poem, so why is it "The Snow Man?"
> See above.
> > What is Stevens saying about Man and Nature?
> I think he's saying that one must purge our minds of our ideas about the thing (in this case, the winter landscape) in order to see the thing in itself. What do you think he's saying?
> > Was Billy Preston's song "Nothing from Nothing" based on this poem?
> Doubtful. Where would you get an idea like that from? The two occurrences of "Nothing" in the last line?
> > > But I've found that Stevens is a lot like David Bowie; anything new he did sounded very weird at first, but grew on me over time.
>
> > We don't care for David Bowie. What Stevens and Bowie have in common is that they are both dead.
> Do you think anyone cares whether you care for David Bowie or not?

🙂

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 by: General-Zod - Tue, 9 Apr 2024 22:30 UTC

George J. Dance wrote:
>
> Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
> The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens

> One must have a mind of winter
> To regard the frost and the boughs
> Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html

> #pennyspoems

Really love Wallace Stevens poetry...

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 by: George J. Dance - Wed, 10 Apr 2024 03:03 UTC

General-Zod wrote:

> George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>> Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
>> The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens

>> One must have a mind of winter
>> To regard the frost and the boughs
>> Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
>> [...]
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html

>> #pennyspoems

> Really love Wallace Stevens poetry...

He's written some excellent poems.

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 by: General-Zod - Thu, 11 Apr 2024 21:05 UTC

George J. Dance wrote:

> General-Zod wrote:

>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>
>>> Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
>>> The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens

>>> One must have a mind of winter
>>> To regard the frost and the boughs
>>> Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
>>> [...]
>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html

>>> #pennyspoems

>> Really love Wallace Stevens poetry...

> He's written some excellent poems.

Doc critiques me as liking "Everything", but that ain't so... for example I hate the poetry of Penhead and Nancy G... ha ha.

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 by: W.Dockery - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 13:47 UTC

George Dance wrote:

> On Friday, January 6, 2024 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2024 at 3:40:45 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>> > Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
>> > The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens
>> >
>> > One must have a mind of winter
>> > To regard the frost and the boughs
>> > Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
>> > [...]
>> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html
>> >
>> > #pennyspoems
>> Lovely, difficult to go wrong with a Stevens poem....

> I'd call it my favorite Stevens poem. It's the first one I read; it was assigned in my one modern poetry class back in uni. I actually didn't like it at all back then. But I've found that Stevens is a lot like David Bowie; anything new he did sounded very weird at first, but grew on me over time.

Interesting comparison.

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 by: General-Zod - Sun, 14 Apr 2024 19:44 UTC

George J. Dance wrote:

> General-Zod wrote:

>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>
>>> Penny's Poetry Blog's featured poem for January:
>>> The Snow Man, by Wallace Stevens

>>> One must have a mind of winter
>>> To regard the frost and the boughs
>>> Of the pine-trees crusted with snow
>>> [...]
>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2011/01/snow-man-wallace-stevens.html

>>> #pennyspoems

>> Really love Wallace Stevens poetry...

> He's written some excellent poems.

Yep, I daresay I agree....

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