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Tommy Brown: "V-8 Baby" - SAVOY 813; AUGUST 1951

https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/tommy-brown-v-8-baby-savoy-813/

YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45YBY24u2sM

SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 5/10

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Samp:

A few years from now we’ll come across a group called The Nite Riders who were put together by bassist Doc Starkes. Their most remembered song was called Women And Cadillacs – which is nothing but THIS song with a new title, something Starkes apparently figured deserved sole writing credit for coming up with even though that was taken from the song’s first line. The group featured such studio stalwarts as Harry Van Walls on piano and former Gotham Records guitar ace Harry Crafton, all of them wailing away and while the record didn’t become a hit at the time it is more widely known than the original by Tommy Brown.

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 by: Roger Ford - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 18:13 UTC

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:45:23 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:

>Tommy Brown: "V-8 Baby" - SAVOY 813; AUGUST 1951
>
>
>https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/tommy-brown-v-8-baby-savoy-813/
>
>
>YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45YBY24u2sM
>
>
Here's how Tommy fared with this in the 1951 Singles Battle

R1
>1 Frankie Laine - Flamenco - Columbia 39585
>17 Tommy Brown - V-8 Baby - Savoy 813

R2
>8 Tommy Brown - V-8 Baby - Savoy 813
>5 The Griffin Brothers - Weeping And Crying - Dot 1071

R3
>17 Nat "King" Cole - Too Young - Capitol 1449
>4 Tommy Brown - V-8 Baby - Savoy 813

>SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 5/10

Better than a measly 5......a 7 is more like it

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 by: Roger Ford - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 18:30 UTC

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:48:19 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:

>Samp:
>
>A few years from now we�ll come across a group called The Nite Riders who
>were put together by bassist Doc Starkes. Their most remembered song was
>called Women And Cadillacs - which is nothing but THIS song with a new title,
>something Starkes apparently figured deserved sole writing credit for coming
>up with even though that was taken from the song�s first line. The group
>featured such studio stalwarts as Harry Van Walls on piano and former Gotham
>Records guitar ace Harry Crafton, all of them wailing away and while the record
>didn�t become a hit at the time it is more widely known than the original by
>Tommy Brown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtX1sUl2YXk

That's Melvin Smith on vocals on this one BTW

Originally from 1954,this was an absolutely HUGE seller for us at our
store and became a staple on the London rock 'n' roll circuit for
years.

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 by: Bruce - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 18:30 UTC

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 2:13:29 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:45:23 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
> wrote:
> >Tommy Brown: "V-8 Baby" - SAVOY 813; AUGUST 1951
> >
> >
> >https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/tommy-brown-v-8-baby-savoy-813/
> >
> >
> >YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45YBY24u2sM
> >
> >
> Here's how Tommy fared with this in the 1951 Singles Battle
>
> R1
> >1 Frankie Laine - Flamenco - Columbia 39585
> >17 Tommy Brown - V-8 Baby - Savoy 813
>
> R2
> >8 Tommy Brown - V-8 Baby - Savoy 813
> >5 The Griffin Brothers - Weeping And Crying - Dot 1071
>
> R3
> >17 Nat "King" Cole - Too Young - Capitol 1449
> >4 Tommy Brown - V-8 Baby - Savoy 813
>
> >SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 5/10
>
> Better than a measly 5......a 7 is more like it

That's what I have.

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On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 18:30:11 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
Ford) wrote:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtX1sUl2YXk
>
>Originally from 1954,this was an absolutely HUGE seller for us at our
>store and became a staple on the London rock 'n' roll circuit for
>years.
>
Perhaps a rare cross-over hit from post-war rockin' R&B
to mid-fifties white-teen-defined Rock'n'Roll ?

Roger, were there any other "staples on the London rock 'n' roll
circuit" from "post-war rockin' R&B" ?

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 by: RWC - Sun, 1 May 2022 18:20 UTC

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:54:40 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 18:30:11 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
>Ford) wrote:
>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtX1sUl2YXk
>>
>>Originally from 1954,this was an absolutely HUGE seller for us at our
>>store and became a staple on the London rock 'n' roll circuit for
>>years.
>>
>Perhaps a rare cross-over hit from post-war rockin' R&B
>to mid-fifties white-teen-defined Rock'n'Roll ?
>
>Roger, were there any other "staples on the London rock 'n' roll
>circuit" from "post-war rockin' R&B" ?

So there weren't any other such records.

This highlights the big differences in style and content between
so-called post-war black rock and roll (rockin' R&B) and mid-fifties+
white-teen-defined rock 'n' roll.

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On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:20:11 PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:

> mid-fifties+ white-teen-defined rock 'n' roll.

Which is like 95% shite.

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 by: Roger Ford - Sun, 1 May 2022 18:54 UTC

On Sun, 01 May 2022 14:20:07 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:54:40 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 18:30:11 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
>>Ford) wrote:
>>
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtX1sUl2YXk
>>>
>>>Originally from 1954,this was an absolutely HUGE seller for us at our
>>>store and became a staple on the London rock 'n' roll circuit for
>>>years.
>>>
>>Perhaps a rare cross-over hit from post-war rockin' R&B
>>to mid-fifties white-teen-defined Rock'n'Roll ?
>>
>>Roger, were there any other "staples on the London rock 'n' roll
>>circuit" from "post-war rockin' R&B" ?
>
>So there weren't any other such records.
>
I didn't say that

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 by: RWC - Sun, 1 May 2022 19:09 UTC

On Sun, 01 May 2022 18:54:43 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
Ford) wrote:

>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtX1sUl2YXk
>>>>
>>>>Originally from 1954,this was an absolutely HUGE seller for us at our
>>>>store and became a staple on the London rock 'n' roll circuit for
>>>>years.
>>>>
>>>Perhaps a rare cross-over hit from post-war rockin' R&B
>>>to mid-fifties white-teen-defined Rock'n'Roll ?
>>>
>>>Roger, were there any other "staples on the London rock 'n' roll
>>>circuit" from "post-war rockin' R&B" ?
>>
>>So there weren't any other such records.
>>
>I didn't say that
>
Indirectly, you did.

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 by: RWC - Sun, 1 May 2022 19:20 UTC

On Sun, 1 May 2022 11:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
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>On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:20:11 PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:
>
> > mid-fifties+ white-teen-defined rock 'n' roll.
>
>Which is like 95% shite.

The remaining 5% annihilates 95% of 1947-1954 R&B for entertainment
value - if R&B is not your religion.

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On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 3:20:14 PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:
> On Sun, 1 May 2022 11:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
> wrote:
> >On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:20:11 PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:
> >
> > > mid-fifties+ white-teen-defined rock 'n' roll.
> >
> >Which is like 95% shite.
> The remaining 5% annihilates 95% of 1947-1954 R&B for entertainment
> value - if R&B is not your religion.

Keep dreaming.

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On Sun, 1 May 2022 12:34:53 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
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>On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 3:20:14 PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 May 2022 11:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:20:11 PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:
>> >
>> > > mid-fifties+ white-teen-defined rock 'n' roll.
>> >
>> >Which is like 95% shite.
>> The remaining 5% annihilates 95% of 1947-1954 R&B for entertainment
>> value - if R&B is not your religion.
>
>Keep dreaming.

You wish!

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 by: Roger Ford - Mon, 2 May 2022 05:33 UTC

On Sun, 01 May 2022 15:09:24 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 01 May 2022 18:54:43 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
>Ford) wrote:
>
>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtX1sUl2YXk
>>>>>
>>>>>Originally from 1954,this was an absolutely HUGE seller for us at our
>>>>>store and became a staple on the London rock 'n' roll circuit for
>>>>>years.
>>>>>
>>>>Perhaps a rare cross-over hit from post-war rockin' R&B
>>>>to mid-fifties white-teen-defined Rock'n'Roll ?
>>>>
>>>>Roger, were there any other "staples on the London rock 'n' roll
>>>>circuit" from "post-war rockin' R&B" ?
>>>
>>>So there weren't any other such records.
>>>
>>I didn't say that
>>
>Indirectly, you did.

You may not have noticed but there's almost certainly a time
difference (and possibly a quite substantial one) between where I live
and where you live

I didn't get to your post till you'd already answered it (wrongly BTW)

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 by: RWC - Mon, 2 May 2022 11:32 UTC

On Mon, 02 May 2022 05:33:14 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
Ford) wrote:

>You may not have noticed but there's almost certainly a time
>difference (and possibly a quite substantial one) between where I live
>and where you live
>
>I didn't get to your post till you'd already answered it (wrongly BTW)
>
My 'any other records?' post is date stamped
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:54:40 -0400;

my 'so no other records' post is date stamped
Date: Sun, 01 May 2022 14:20:07 -0400;

that's an elapsed time of 25 hours;

in the meantime your Review Tommy Brown post is date stamped
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 15:13:46 -0400

Anyway, I'm not exercised by this issue :)

You say, "an absolutely HUGE seller for us at our store"; from approx
what starting year did these HUGE Nite Rider sales occur?

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 by: Roger Ford - Mon, 2 May 2022 12:25 UTC

On Mon, 02 May 2022 07:32:43 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 02 May 2022 05:33:14 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
>Ford) wrote:
>
>>You may not have noticed but there's almost certainly a time
>>difference (and possibly a quite substantial one) between where I live
>>and where you live
>>
>>I didn't get to your post till you'd already answered it (wrongly BTW)
>>
>My 'any other records?' post is date stamped
>Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:54:40 -0400;
>
>my 'so no other records' post is date stamped
>Date: Sun, 01 May 2022 14:20:07 -0400;
>
>that's an elapsed time of 25 hours;
>
>in the meantime your Review Tommy Brown post is date stamped
>Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 15:13:46 -0400
>
>Anyway, I'm not exercised by this issue :)
>
Which is why you don't keep mentioning it :)

I repeat I did not see your original post until later. Perhaps it was
delayed in getting here. Happens all the time. Especially with some of
the American ones

>You say, "an absolutely HUGE seller for us at our store"; from approx
>what starting year did these HUGE Nite Rider sales occur?

About 73 or 74 I think

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