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* Pre-1947 Recordings Tournament - May 2022 - Preliminary Round - Group 4Bruce
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+* Re: Pre-1947 Recordings Tournament - May 2022 - Preliminary Round - Group 4Roger Ford
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Group 4 is now open.

Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
https://www.youtube.com/watch/WiayZdPESno

Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH52c3H_L1U

Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7M4thNT_EY

Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcWS6-duvqY

Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRamb2m5WYc

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MY RANKINGS

1. Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)
2. Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan
3. Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
4. Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl)
5. Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings

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> 1. Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
> 2. Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl)
> 3. Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings
> 4. Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan
> 5. Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)

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On Thu, 5 May 2022 07:46:39 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:

>Group 4 is now open.
>
>
Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)
Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan
Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl)
Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 7:46:40 AM UTC-7, Bruce wrote:
> Group 4 is now open.
>

1. Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan
2. Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
3. Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl)
4. Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)
5. Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings

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1. Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters

2. Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan

3. Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings

4. Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl)

5. Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 11:08:46 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2022 07:46:39 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
> wrote:
> >Group 4 is now open.
> >
> >
> Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)
> Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan
> Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
> Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl)
> Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings

It's been awhile, but we are in synch today, guv'ina.

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 by: Rick Schubert - Thu, 5 May 2022 15:36 UTC

On Thu, 5 May 2022 07:46:39 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com> wrote:

>Group 4 is now open.

1. Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings
2. Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan
3. Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)
4. Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl)
5. Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters

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 by: DianeE - Thu, 5 May 2022 16:02 UTC

1-Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl)
2-Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan
3-Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
4-Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings
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 by: DianeE - Thu, 5 May 2022 16:03 UTC

Excellent group today. I know my record is going to get tossed out,
because it's truly obscure, but I'd like to let you know a little bit
about it. This record is from 1936, at a time when black and white
musicians did not play together in public. Phil Schaap (the late jazz
radio DJ) likened Benny Goodman's hiring of Teddy Wilson to Branch
Rickey's hiring of Jackie Robinson more than a decade later. This
quartet consisted of two white guys and two black guys, each one the
grand master of his instrument. Goodman on clarinet, Hampton on vibes,
Wilson on piano, and Gene Krupa on drums. Hope you guys got some
enjoyment out of it anyhow.

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1. Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings

2. Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)

3. Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet

4. Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:02:08 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> 3-Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
> 5-Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)

I thought you hated fake Caribbean music?

I guess you hate great classic blues hits more.

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1- Louis Jordan

2- Benny Goodman & Lionel Hampton

3- The Andrews Sisters

4- Albert Ammons and his Rhythm Kings

5- Cootie Williams & Eddie Vinson (Vinson's vocal yips make Louis Jordan sound staid, baby!)

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 by: Mark D. - Thu, 5 May 2022 17:24 UTC

On May 5, 2022 at 11:02:06 AM CDT, "DianeE" <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

> 1-Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl)
> 2-Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan
> 3-Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters

You didn't like Ella's take on calypso, or any calypso you said, but you're
okay with the Andrews?

> 4-Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings
> 5-Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)

--md

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On May 5, 2022 at 9:46:39 AM CDT, "Bruce" <SavoyBG@aol.com> wrote:
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Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan
Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings
Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl)
Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)

Sorry about that last one, but I have never liked the vocal squeaking which
(thanks to Vinson?) infected r&b for a while.

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On 5/5/2022 1:24 PM, Mark D. wrote:
> On May 5, 2022 at 11:02:06 AM CDT, "DianeE" <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:
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>> 1-Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl)
>> 2-Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan
>> 3-Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
>
> You didn't like Ella's take on calypso, or any calypso you said, but you're
> okay with the Andrews?
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I didn't know until recently that it was a calypso record. I guess the
Andrewses sanitized it to the point where I just heard it as a pop song.

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On 5/5/2022 12:26 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:02:08 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
>> 3-Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
>> 5-Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)
>
> I thought you hated fake Caribbean music?
>
> I guess you hate great classic blues hits more.
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See my reply to Mark. I admire Cootie Williams' trumpet playing very
much. Same reason I don't like "Caldonia," I don't like Cleanhead
Vinson's singing. At least Louis Jordan doesn't have that horrible
squeak/shriek on most of his records!

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 3:38:07 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
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> >
> > You didn't like Ella's take on calypso, or any calypso you said, but you're
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> I didn't know until recently that it was a calypso record. I guess the
> Andrewses sanitized it to the point where I just heard it as a pop song.

Here's my favorite version of "Rum And Coca Cola:"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUj4Ip1owbA

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Bruce is here (helping me get my cat to and from the vet), so here's how
I add them up:

Louis Jordan - 39
Andrews Sisters - 30 (wins tiebreaker because it had more 1st place votes)
Benny Goodman - 30
Albert Ammons - 27
Cootie Williams & Eddie Vinson - 24

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On 5/5/2022 4:06 PM, Bill B wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 3:38:07 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
>
>>>> 3-Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
>>>
>>> You didn't like Ella's take on calypso, or any calypso you said, but you're
>>> okay with the Andrews?
>> ----------
>> I didn't know until recently that it was a calypso record. I guess the
>> Andrewses sanitized it to the point where I just heard it as a pop song.
>
> Here's my favorite version of "Rum And Coca Cola:"
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUj4Ip1owbA
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Would you call it calypso, though? (It doesn't work as an instrumental
IMO, but the first 30 seconds are quite infectious.)

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FINAL RANKINGS

1. Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan - 39
2. Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters - 30 (2 first place)
3. Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl) - 30 (1 first place)
4. Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings - 27

5. Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson) - 23

Carl's Jordan wins the group, looks like Jordan will dominate these pre-1947 contests until we run out of good songs by him to nominate. Steve's mixed drink wins a tie breaker over Diane's integrator for second place, but both are for sure in the next round. Rick's Old Folks At Home Boogie is in the 4th place pool. Roger's Red Blues was dead last, and not that close even to 4th place. I haven't been this shocked at a preliminary round elimination since by Cochran Brothers went out right away many months ago. I figured "Red Blues" as a clear winner in this group. I guess I have not yet got a handle on all of the panelists taste from this era yet.

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I must say, tomorrow's group is exceptional IMO. Gonna be tough to eliminate one of them.

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figured "Red Blues" as a clear winner in this group. I guess I have not yet got a handle on all of the panelists taste from this era yet.

Glad you visited the vet today. You sure coughed up a real hair ball with Cootie, baby!!

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 8:50:13 PM UTC-4, Dennis C from Tennessee wrote:
> figured "Red Blues" as a clear winner in this group. I guess I have not yet got a handle on all of the panelists taste from this era yet.

> Glad you visited the vet today. You sure coughed up a real hair ball with Cootie, baby!!

Hey, it was Roger's nomination. I do have a nice copy of the 78 hanging on my living room wall.

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 by: Mark D. - Fri, 6 May 2022 03:09 UTC

On May 5, 2022 at 3:06:27 PM CDT, "Bill B" <bbug2@optonline.net> wrote:

> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 3:38:07 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
>
>>>> 3-Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
>>>
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>>> okay with the Andrews?
>> ----------
>> I didn't know until recently that it was a calypso record. I guess the
>> Andrewses sanitized it to the point where I just heard it as a pop song.
>
> Here's my favorite version of "Rum And Coca Cola:"
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUj4Ip1owbA

I like it a lot, but I don't see it as a version of the Andrews clan's song.

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