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* Pre-1947 Recordings Tournament - May 2022 - Preliminary Round - Group 4Bruce
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|   `* Re: Pre-1947 Recordings Tournament - May 2022 - Preliminary Round - Group 4Mark D.
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+* Re: Pre-1947 Recordings Tournament - May 2022 - Preliminary Round - Group 4Jim Colegrove
|`- Re: Pre-1947 Recordings Tournament - May 2022 - Preliminary Round - Group 4RWC
+- Re: Pre-1947 Recordings Tournament - May 2022 - Preliminary Round - Group 4Mark D.
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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 11:09:22 PM UTC-4, Mark D. wrote:
> On May 5, 2022 at 3:06:27 PM CDT, "Bill B" <bb...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 3:38:07 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> >
> >>>> 3-Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
> >>>
> >>> You didn't like Ella's take on calypso, or any calypso you said, but you're
> >>> okay with the Andrews?
> >> ----------
> >> I didn't know until recently that it was a calypso record. I guess the
> >> Andrewses sanitized it to the point where I just heard it as a pop song.
> >
> > Here's my favorite version of "Rum And Coca Cola:"
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUj4Ip1owbA
> I like it a lot, but I don't see it as a version of the Andrews clan's song.

How about this version?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za3J5fVA-2I

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 by: DianeE - Fri, 6 May 2022 03:55 UTC

On 5/5/2022 8:40 PM, Bruce wrote:
> FINAL RANKINGS
>
>
> 1. Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan - 39
> 2. Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters - 30 (2 first place)
> 3. Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl) - 30 (1 first place)
> 4. Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings - 27
>
> 5. Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson) - 23
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Should be 24, not 23, otherwise doesn't add up right.
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>
> Carl's Jordan wins the group, looks like Jordan will dominate these pre-1947 contests until we run out of good songs by him to nominate. Steve's mixed drink wins a tie breaker over Diane's integrator for second place, but both are for sure in the next round. Rick's Old Folks At Home Boogie is in the 4th place pool. Roger's Red Blues was dead last, and not that close even to 4th place. I haven't been this shocked at a preliminary round elimination since by Cochran Brothers went out right away many months ago. I figured "Red Blues" as a clear winner in this group. I guess I have not yet got a handle on all of the panelists taste from this era yet.
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Three of us who put it last mentioned the squeal in his voice as the
deciding factor. That should give you a clue!

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 11:56:01 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> On 5/5/2022 8:40 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > FINAL RANKINGS
> >
> >
> > 1. Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan - 39
> > 2. Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters - 30 (2 first place)
> > 3. Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet (Lionel Hampton vcl) - 30 (1 first place)
> > 4. Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings - 27
> >
> > 5. Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson) - 23
> -------------
> Should be 24, not 23, otherwise doesn't add up right.

Yes it's 24.

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 by: Mark D. - Fri, 6 May 2022 12:40 UTC

On May 5, 2022 at 10:11:38 PM CDT, "Bruce" <SavoyBG@aol.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 11:09:22 PM UTC-4, Mark D. wrote:
>> On May 5, 2022 at 3:06:27 PM CDT, "Bill B" <bb...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 3:38:07 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> 3-Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't like Ella's take on calypso, or any calypso you said, but you're
>>>>> okay with the Andrews?
>>>> ----------
>>>> I didn't know until recently that it was a calypso record. I guess the
>>>> Andrewses sanitized it to the point where I just heard it as a pop song.
>>>
>>> Here's my favorite version of "Rum And Coca Cola:"
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUj4Ip1owbA
>> I like it a lot, but I don't see it as a version of the Andrews clan's song.
>
> How about this version?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za3J5fVA-2I

Eh.

--md

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On Thu, 5 May 2022 17:50:12 -0700 (PDT), Dennis C from Tennessee
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>figured "Red Blues" as a clear winner in this group

reflecting perhaps a distrust of the motives of some voters?

no, rather you thought most voters had an allegiance to raw-r&b, and
you were mistaken, they actually prefer r&b-pop (such as Jordan)

related, for the last 3 years these same voters have in general much
preferred r&b-pop from 1955-1958 than raw-r&b from an earlier period
- for example, the Spaniels and Nutmegs are much preferred over
Wynonie Harris

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 by: RWC - Fri, 6 May 2022 13:52 UTC

On Thu, 05 May 2022 11:09:36 -0500, Jim Colegrove
<coolg@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:

>
>1. Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings
>
>2. Red Blues - Cootie Williams (vocal Eddie Vinson)
>
>3. Exactly Like You - Benny Goodman Quartet
>
>4. Is You Is Or Is You Ain't (Ma' Baby) - Louis Jordan
>
>5. Rum And Coca Cola - Andrews Sisters

It's disappointing that Jim does not say more about his
controversial (non-majority) preferences.

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 by: DianeE - Fri, 6 May 2022 16:05 UTC

On 5/6/2022 9:12 AM, RWC wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2022 17:50:12 -0700 (PDT), Dennis C from Tennessee
> <dennisrowan1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> figured "Red Blues" as a clear winner in this group
>
> reflecting perhaps a distrust of the motives of some voters?
>
> no, rather you thought most voters had an allegiance to raw-r&b, and
> you were mistaken, they actually prefer r&b-pop (such as Jordan)
>
> related, for the last 3 years these same voters have in general much
> preferred r&b-pop from 1955-1958 than raw-r&b from an earlier period
> - for example, the Spaniels and Nutmegs are much preferred over
> Wynonie Harris

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No, Geoff, it's Eddie Vinson's voice that turned us off. As we all said.
"Red Blues" is *not* "raw R&B." Cootie Williams was Duke Ellington's
trumpeter for many years, playing sophisticated jazz rather than
anything remotely "raw." Eddie Cleanhead Vinson played saxophone and
was hardly the country bluesman you seem to imagine.

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 by: RWC - Fri, 6 May 2022 22:32 UTC

On Fri, 6 May 2022 12:05:36 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>On 5/6/2022 9:12 AM, RWC wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 May 2022 17:50:12 -0700 (PDT), Dennis C from Tennessee
>> <dennisrowan1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> figured "Red Blues" as a clear winner in this group
>>
>> reflecting perhaps a distrust of the motives of some voters?
>>
>> no, rather you thought most voters had an allegiance to raw-r&b, and
>> you were mistaken, they actually prefer r&b-pop (such as Jordan)
>>
>> related, for the last 3 years these same voters have in general much
>> preferred r&b-pop from 1955-1958 than raw-r&b from an earlier period
>> - for example, the Spaniels and Nutmegs are much preferred over
>> Wynonie Harris
>
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>No, Geoff, it's Eddie Vinson's voice that turned us off. As we all said.
>"Red Blues" is *not* "raw R&B." Cootie Williams was Duke Ellington's
>trumpeter for many years, playing sophisticated jazz rather than
>anything remotely "raw." Eddie Cleanhead Vinson played saxophone and
>was hardly the country bluesman you seem to imagine.

I hear what you say Diane, but you (and no doubt others) have,
understandably, misunderstood my brief (without any qualifications)
post. I'm well aware that the instrumental backing is not 'raw', but
in my mind the vocal is not pop-sophisticated and therefore, loosely
speaking, puts the 'recording as a whole' in the 'raw' category of r&b
- which is why it did not score well against Jordan and the Sisters.

Many thanks, Diane, for giving me the opportunity to explain further.

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