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* The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameDianeE
+- Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameMark D.
+* Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameDianeE
|`- Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameBruce
+* Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameDean F.
|`* Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameDennis C from Tennessee
| `- Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameBruce
`* Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameDean F.
 +* Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameBruce
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 | +* Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameDianeE
 | |`- Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameDianeE
 | +* Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameJim Colegrove
 | |+* Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameRoger Ford
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 | |+* Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameJim Colegrove
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 | `* Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameBob Roman
 |  `* Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameDianeE
 |   +* Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameBruce
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 |   |`- Re: The Rock & Ridiculous Hall Of FameBob Roman
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 by: DianeE - Sun, 8 May 2022 01:19 UTC

On 5/7/2022 7:48 PM, Bob Roman wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:15:44 AM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
>> I've been studying rock & roll history for 45 years and had never heard of Elizabeth Cotten.
>
> Me too. But I took it the other way. I was excited by the opportunity to make a discovery.
>
> That's rare these days.
>
> And I'm liking what I'm hearing.
>
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Well, if you like her, you probably love Mississippi John Hurt (as I
do). Do you think he should be inducted? Do you not agree that their
selections are just getting completely absurd? You have to tie yourself
into a knot to justify a lot of them.
What do you think about Judas Priest in the non-performer category?
That just baffles me. I mean, I can't stand their music, but I
acknowledge that they were one of the top acts in their genre.
I thought it was insulting enough when they inducted Allen Toussaint as
a non-performer.

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 by: Bruce - Sun, 8 May 2022 02:12 UTC

On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 9:19:22 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 7:48 PM, Bob Roman wrote:
> > On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:15:44 AM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
> >> I've been studying rock & roll history for 45 years and had never heard of Elizabeth Cotten.
> >
> > Me too. But I took it the other way. I was excited by the opportunity to make a discovery.
> >
> > That's rare these days.
> >
> > And I'm liking what I'm hearing.
> >
> ----------
> Well, if you like her, you probably love Mississippi John Hurt (as I
> do). Do you think he should be inducted? Do you not agree that their
> selections are just getting completely absurd? You have to tie yourself
> into a knot to justify a lot of them.
> What do you think about Judas Priest in the non-performer category?

Priest did not go in as a non-performer, they went in for "music excellence," like LL Cool J last year. That's for performers that someone there wants to put in but they can't get the voters to vote them in.

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On 5/7/2022 10:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 9:19:22 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:

>> What do you think about Judas Priest in the non-performer category?
>
> Priest did not go in as a non-performer, they went in for "music excellence," like LL Cool J last year. That's for performers that someone there wants to put in but they can't get the voters to vote them in.
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The article says:
<<Judas Priest was on the ballot, but will instead be inducted in the
non-performer category for musical excellence, alongside the songwriting
and production duo Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis.>>

*in the non-performer category*

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On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:20:53 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 10:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 9:19:22 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
>
> >> What do you think about Judas Priest in the non-performer category?
> >
> > Priest did not go in as a non-performer, they went in for "music excellence," like LL Cool J last year. That's for performers that someone there wants to put in but they can't get the voters to vote them in.
> -----------
> The article says:
> <<Judas Priest was on the ballot, but will instead be inducted in the
> non-performer category for musical excellence, alongside the songwriting
> and production duo Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis.>>
>
> *in the non-performer category*

The article is wrong. The non performer category is this Ahmet Ertegun award that Sylvia just went in for. The musical excellence category is not specifically for non performers.

Ahmet Ertegun Award: non-performing industry professionals who have had a major influence on the creative development and growth of rock & roll and music that has impacted youth culture.

Musical Excellence Award: given to artists, musicians, songwriters and producers whose originality and influence creating music have had a dramatic impact on music.

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By the way, in one of the things I read about Sylvia's induction is said that she wrote "Pillow Talk" for Al Green, who turned it down because he thought it was too sexual for his religious views. So she said to herself, I can sing this, and she did.

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On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> What's the bias in inducting Kraftwerk and Gil Scott-Heron?

The HoF was hellbent on getting those two inducted. When they couldn't garner enough votes to get them in to the main Hall, they used a backdoor method instead. Not only was it biased but sneaky as well.

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On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 9:19:22 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 7:48 PM, Bob Roman wrote:
> > On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:15:44 AM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
> >> I've been studying rock & roll history for 45 years and had never heard of Elizabeth Cotten.
> >
> > Me too. But I took it the other way. I was excited by the opportunity to make a discovery.
> > That's rare these days.
> > And I'm liking what I'm hearing.
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> Well, if you like her, you probably love Mississippi John Hurt (as I
> do). Do you think he should be inducted? Do you not agree that their
> selections are just getting completely absurd? You have to tie yourself
> into a knot to justify a lot of them.

I do like Mississippi John Hurt.

If they inducted him as an early influence, I wouldn't care one way or the other.

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On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:12:01 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> Priest did not go in as a non-performer, they went in for "music excellence," like LL Cool J last year. That's for performers that someone there wants to put in but they can't get the voters to vote them in.

The Award for Musical Excellence was originally the Sideman category. In 2010, they stretched it to its new meaning.

These were the people inducted under the old name:
Chet Atkins
Benny Benjamin
Bill Black
Hal Blaine
James Burton
Floyd Cramer
Steve Douglas
DJ Fontana
James Jamerson
Johnnie Johnson
King Curtis
Little Walter
Scotty Moore
Spooner Oldham
Earl Palmer

These are the people inducted under the new name:
Tom Dowd
The E Street Band
Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
Glyn Johns
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Cosimo Matassa
Billy Preston
Randy Rhoads
Nile Rodgers
Leon Russell
Ringo Starr

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