Not many from him with BPO, but here's a forthcoming Mahler 7 with the BRSO. I had the impression that they didn't do much Mahler and checked my database ARKIVMUSIC, Presto. Sure enough, other than with Kubelik, there are few Mahler recordings. Klemperer did 2 and 4, Mariss Jansons did 1, 5, 7 and 9. Leinsdorf did 6, Nezet-Seguin did 1, Haitink did 3 and 9. Maazel and Rattle did Das Lied. Harding did 6, I'm sure there are more, but it isn't many is it?

I've liked what I've heard so far from Kirill, so I'm looking forward to this.

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/search?search_query=kirill%20petrenko%20mahler

On 2021-06-01 16:46, Frank Berger wrote:
> Not many from him with BPO, but here's a forthcoming Mahler 7 with the
> BRSO.  I had the impression that they didn't do much Mahler and checked
> my database ARKIVMUSIC, Presto.  Sure enough, other than with Kubelik,
> there are few Mahler recordings.  Klemperer did 2 and 4, Mariss Jansons
> did 1, 5, 7 and 9.  Leinsdorf did 6, Nezet-Seguin did 1, Haitink did 3
> and 9. Maazel and Rattle did Das Lied. Harding did 6, I'm sure there are
> more, but it isn't many is it?
>
> I've liked what I've heard  so far from Kirill, so I'm looking forward
> to this.
>
> https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/search?search_query=kirill%20petrenko%20mahler
>

It's already out (on Qobuz anyway). I listened to it the other day on a
walk. It's quite nice.

--
- Alex Brown

On 2021-06-01 17:04, Alex Brown wrote:
> On 2021-06-01 16:46, Frank Berger wrote:
>> Not many from him with BPO, but here's a forthcoming Mahler 7 with the
>> BRSO.  I had the impression that they didn't do much Mahler and
>> checked my database ARKIVMUSIC, Presto.  Sure enough, other than with
>> Kubelik, there are few Mahler recordings.  Klemperer did 2 and 4,
>> Mariss Jansons did 1, 5, 7 and 9.  Leinsdorf did 6, Nezet-Seguin did
>> 1, Haitink did 3 and 9. Maazel and Rattle did Das Lied. Harding did 6,
>> I'm sure there are more, but it isn't many is it?
>>
>> I've liked what I've heard  so far from Kirill, so I'm looking forward
>> to this.
>>
>> https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/search?search_query=kirill%20petrenko%20mahler
>>
>
> It's already out (on Qobuz anyway). I listened to it the other day on a
> walk. It's quite nice.
>
>

There's a BRSO Mahler box with some more:

https://www.br-so.com/cd-dvd/gustav-mahler-symphonies-1-9/

--
- Alex Brown

There are lots of Mahler concert recordings in their digital concert hall (subscription required) and they recently released this box:

https://www.berliner-philharmoniker-recordings.com/mahler-symphonies.html

On 6/1/2021 12:33 PM, Alex Brown wrote:
> On 2021-06-01 17:04, Alex Brown wrote:
>> On 2021-06-01 16:46, Frank Berger wrote:
>>> Not many from him with BPO, but here's a forthcoming Mahler 7 with the BRSO.  I had the impression that they didn't do much Mahler and checked my database ARKIVMUSIC, Presto.  Sure enough, other than with Kubelik, there are few Mahler recordings.  Klemperer did 2 and 4, Mariss Jansons did 1, 5, 7 and 9.  Leinsdorf did 6, Nezet-Seguin did 1, Haitink did 3 and 9. Maazel and Rattle did Das Lied. Harding did 6, I'm sure there are more, but it isn't many is it?
>>>
>>> I've liked what I've heard  so far from Kirill, so I'm looking forward to this.
>>>
>>> https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/search?search_query=kirill%20petrenko%20mahler
>>
>> It's already out (on Qobuz anyway). I listened to it the other day on a walk. It's quite nice.
>>
>>
>
> There's a BRSO Mahler box with some more:
>
> https://www.br-so.com/cd-dvd/gustav-mahler-symphonies-1-9/
>
>

Yes. Most of them I mentioned above, but a few I didn't.

On 6/1/2021 12:53 PM, bogdan wrote:
> There are lots of Mahler concert recordings in their digital concert hall (subscription required) and they recently released this box:
>
> https://www.berliner-philharmoniker-recordings.com/mahler-symphonies.html
>

Wrong orchestra, but nice try.

On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 1:16:51 PM UTC-4, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 6/1/2021 12:53 PM, bogdan wrote:
> > There are lots of Mahler concert recordings in their digital concert hall (subscription required) and they recently released this box:
> >
> > https://www.berliner-philharmoniker-recordings.com/mahler-symphonies.html
> >
> Wrong orchestra, but nice try.

Ah, you meant BRSO, I see.

On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 12:53:29 PM UTC-4, bogdan wrote:
> There are lots of Mahler concert recordings in
> their digital concert hall (subscription required)
> and they recently released this box:
>
> https://www.berliner-philharmoniker-recordings.com/mahler-symphonies.html

The BPO does not have the "Mahler
sound". Try the RCO, CSO, NYPO or
LSO.

dk

On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 5:46:52 AM UTC-10, Frank Berger wrote:
> Not many from him with BPO, but here's a forthcoming Mahler 7 with the BRSO. I had the impression that they didn't do much Mahler and checked my database ARKIVMUSIC, Presto. Sure enough, other than with Kubelik, there are few Mahler recordings. Klemperer did 2 and 4, Mariss Jansons did 1, 5, 7 and 9. Leinsdorf did 6, Nezet-Seguin did 1, Haitink did 3 and 9. Maazel and Rattle did Das Lied. Harding did 6, I'm sure there are more, but it isn't many is it?
>
> I've liked what I've heard so far from Kirill, so I'm looking forward to this.
>
> https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/search?search_query=kirill%20petrenko%20mahler

Um, Petrenko's Mahler 7th is with the Bayerische Staatsoper orchestra, not the BRSO. Bayerishe Staatsoper I believe has done Mahler 3 and 5 with Mehta..

Eric

If there is such a thing as a Mahler sound (other than just an orchestra playing Mahler) it would require a certain opulence and sonority-indulging. Any first-rate orchestra can do this, and, since we're mostly talking about recordings, any sound engineer can amp this up a little.

I would not consider the LSO a typical Mahler orchestra.

I have to admit I am not the world's hugest Mahler fan.

On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 3:02:53 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> If there is such a thing as a Mahler sound
> (other than just an orchestra playing Mahler)
> it would require a certain opulence and sonority-
> indulging.

Indeed. Very perceptive!

> Any first-rate orchestra can do this,

As far as my ears can tell, there aren't that many
"first-rate" orchestras, and the BPO is certainly
not among them. This is a pointless discussion
as long as you do not explain you criteria for
"first-rate" orchestras,

> and, since we're mostly talking about recordings,
> any sound engineer can amp this up a little.
>
> I would not consider the LSO a typical Mahler
> orchestra.

Their Mahler recordings under Jascha Horenstein
were exemplary. In fairness that was a long time
ago, before the UK switched to the metric system.

> I have to admit I am not the world's hugest
> Mahler fan.

I am no longer as much of a fan as I used to be.
But I occasionally remember antique opinions.

dk

On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 12:02:53 AM, herman wrote:
>
> If there is such a thing as a Mahler sound (other than just an orchestra playing Mahler) it would require a certain opulence and sonority-indulging. Any first-rate orchestra can do this, and, since we're mostly talking about recordings, any sound engineer can amp this up a little.
>
> I would not consider the LSO a typical Mahler orchestra.
>
> I have to admit I am not the world's hugest Mahler fan.

I concur with herman, save the last sentence. Although, admittedly, my Mahler fandom has waned over the last half-decade as my Bruckeritis has become more severe. I bought the Haitink Concertgebouw Mahler CD/BD set (2018) on UME. It really did not take as much as I had liked it in another time. Will not be culled, however. To be revisited in one year. And Gergiev's LSO cycle is the pits.

On 6/1/2021 10:43 PM, wanwan wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 5:46:52 AM UTC-10, Frank Berger wrote:
>> Not many from him with BPO, but here's a forthcoming Mahler 7 with the BRSO. I had the impression that they didn't do much Mahler and checked my database ARKIVMUSIC, Presto. Sure enough, other than with Kubelik, there are few Mahler recordings. Klemperer did 2 and 4, Mariss Jansons did 1, 5, 7 and 9. Leinsdorf did 6, Nezet-Seguin did 1, Haitink did 3 and 9. Maazel and Rattle did Das Lied. Harding did 6, I'm sure there are more, but it isn't many is it?
>>
>> I've liked what I've heard so far from Kirill, so I'm looking forward to this.
>>
>> https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/search?search_query=kirill%20petrenko%20mahler
>
> Um, Petrenko's Mahler 7th is with the Bayerische Staatsoper orchestra, not the BRSO. Bayerishe Staatsoper I believe has done Mahler 3 and 5 with Mehta.
>
>
> Eric
>

Oops. Stupid me was fooled by the lack of the word "opera" in the name of the orchestra.

On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 9:06:23 AM UTC-4, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 6/1/2021 10:43 PM, wanwan wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 5:46:52 AM UTC-10, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> Not many from him with BPO, but here's a forthcoming Mahler 7 with the BRSO. I had the impression that they didn't do much Mahler and checked my database ARKIVMUSIC, Presto. Sure enough, other than with Kubelik, there are few Mahler recordings. Klemperer did 2 and 4, Mariss Jansons did 1, 5, 7 and 9. Leinsdorf did 6, Nezet-Seguin did 1, Haitink did 3 and 9. Maazel and Rattle did Das Lied. Harding did 6, I'm sure there are more, but it isn't many is it?
> >>
> >> I've liked what I've heard so far from Kirill, so I'm looking forward to this.
> >>
> >> https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/search?search_query=kirill%20petrenko%20mahler
> >
> > Um, Petrenko's Mahler 7th is with the Bayerische Staatsoper orchestra, not the BRSO. Bayerishe Staatsoper I believe has done Mahler 3 and 5 with Mehta.
> >
> >
> > Eric
> >
> Oops. Stupid me was fooled by the lack of the word "opera" in the name of the orchestra.

I'm sure the Bavarian St. Orchestra has played a lot less Mahler than the BRSO. They spent years with Sawallisch, who didn't conduct Mahler. Mehta probably conducted some there, but no recordings come to mind.

On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 9:25:17 AM UTC+2, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 3:02:53 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> > If there is such a thing as a Mahler sound
> > (other than just an orchestra playing Mahler)
> > it would require a certain opulence and sonority-
> > indulging.
> Indeed. Very perceptive!
> > Any first-rate orchestra can do this,
> As far as my ears can tell, there aren't that many
> "first-rate" orchestras, and the BPO is certainly
> not among them. This is a pointless discussion
> as long as you do not explain you criteria for
> "first-rate" orchestras,
> > and, since we're mostly talking about recordings,
> > any sound engineer can amp this up a little.
> >
> > I would not consider the LSO a typical Mahler
> > orchestra.
> Their Mahler recordings under Jascha Horenstein
> were exemplary. In fairness that was a long time
> ago, before the UK switched to the metric system.

Yes, people forget (especially when they're surrounded by LPs and CDs) that an orchestra changes over time, members leave, conductors come and go (rarely talking of Michelangelo) and, last but not least, audiences change.
Only if there is an unbroken performance tradition, as in the case of the Concertgebouw, can one speak of a Mahler orchestra because of the tradition and the old Mengelberg scores.
BTW I find it lamentable that the RCO identifies so much with Mahler. I agree with Haitink that you can overperform this music. But, hey, it sells tix.

With the right conductor, the BPO can do top-notch Mahler, like in this live recording with Bertini from 1985:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jb5andWyDs

On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 3:31:36 AM UTC-10, Phl Maestro wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 9:06:23 AM UTC-4, Frank Berger wrote:
> > On 6/1/2021 10:43 PM, wanwan wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 5:46:52 AM UTC-10, Frank Berger wrote:
> > >> Not many from him with BPO, but here's a forthcoming Mahler 7 with the BRSO. I had the impression that they didn't do much Mahler and checked my database ARKIVMUSIC, Presto. Sure enough, other than with Kubelik, there are few Mahler recordings. Klemperer did 2 and 4, Mariss Jansons did 1, 5, 7 and 9. Leinsdorf did 6, Nezet-Seguin did 1, Haitink did 3 and 9. Maazel and Rattle did Das Lied. Harding did 6, I'm sure there are more, but it isn't many is it?
> > >>
> > >> I've liked what I've heard so far from Kirill, so I'm looking forward to this.
> > >>
> > >> https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/search?search_query=kirill%20petrenko%20mahler
> > >
> > > Um, Petrenko's Mahler 7th is with the Bayerische Staatsoper orchestra, not the BRSO. Bayerishe Staatsoper I believe has done Mahler 3 and 5 with Mehta.
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > Oops. Stupid me was fooled by the lack of the word "opera" in the name of the orchestra.
> I'm sure the Bavarian St. Orchestra has played a lot less Mahler than the BRSO. They spent years with Sawallisch, who didn't conduct Mahler. Mehta probably conducted some there, but no recordings come to mind.

Gee, it's only been 29 years since Sawallisch was GMD of the Staatsoper. They've been through 4 GMDs including Mehta and Nagano who conduct Mahler. As I mentioned, the orchestra recorded both 3 and 5 with Mehta.

Eric

On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:41:47 PM UTC-7, wanwan wrote:

> . . . Gee, it's only been 29 years since Sawallisch was GMD of the Staatsoper. They've been through 4 GMDs including Mehta and Nagano who conduct Mahler. As I mentioned, the orchestra recorded both 3 and 5 with Mehta.
>
> Eric

And that Farao album of the Mahler 3 and 5 with Mehta and the Bayerisches Staatsorchester (which is how the orchestra is identified on the actual booklet!) is a pretty dynamite album, IMHO. In the Fifth, the third time was the charm for Mehta, after his Decca run-through with the LAPO (with its false violin entrances in the last movement!) and his Teldec NYPO "transitional" performance (which could have stood some more incisive engineering). I have the blu-ray audio incarnation of the Farao album (on a single disc), and the SQ is truly outstanding in 5Ch (DTS HD-MA) - and fortunately, the performances are similarly excellent. Nice to know that old dogs can learn new tricks! (Although, in the case of the 3rd, Mehta's older LAPO performance was actually pretty good too!)

On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 7:08:53 PM UTC-4, bogdan wrote:
> With the right conductor, the BPO can do top-notch
> Mahler, like in this live recording with Bertini from 1985:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jb5andWyDs

Past century.

dk

On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:34:05 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 9:25:17 AM UTC+2, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 3:02:53 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> > > If there is such a thing as a Mahler sound
> > > (other than just an orchestra playing Mahler)
> > > it would require a certain opulence and sonority-
> > > indulging.
> > Indeed. Very perceptive!
> > > Any first-rate orchestra can do this,
> > As far as my ears can tell, there aren't that many
> > "first-rate" orchestras, and the BPO is certainly
> > not among them. This is a pointless discussion
> > as long as you do not explain you criteria for
> > "first-rate" orchestras,
> > > and, since we're mostly talking about recordings,
> > > any sound engineer can amp this up a little.
> > > I would not consider the LSO a typical Mahler
> > > orchestra.
> > Their Mahler recordings under Jascha Horenstein
> > were exemplary. In fairness that was a long time
> > ago, before the UK switched to the metric system.
> Yes, people forget (especially when they're surrounded
> by LPs and CDs) that an orchestra changes over time,

Yep.

> members leave, conductors come and go (rarely talking
> of Michelangelo) and, last but not least, audiences change.

Yep.

> Only if there is an unbroken performance tradition, as in
> the case of the Concertgebouw, can one speak of a Mahler
> orchestra because of the tradition and the old Mengelberg
> scores. BTW I find it lamentable that the RCO identifies so
> much with Mahler.

Would you rather have the RCO identify itself with Boring van
Beethoven or with Dick Wagner?

> I agree with Haitink that you can overperform this music.

Yep.

> But, hey, it sells tix.

Last time I checked a subscription ticket for the complete
Mahler symphony cycle was 2,000 EUR! I would rather
deposit that much in the trust fund for my kitten!

dk

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 9:21:16 AM UTC+2, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:34:05 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 9:25:17 AM UTC+2, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 3:02:53 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> > > > If there is such a thing as a Mahler sound
> > > > (other than just an orchestra playing Mahler)
> > > > it would require a certain opulence and sonority-
> > > > indulging.
> > > Indeed. Very perceptive!
> > > > Any first-rate orchestra can do this,
> > > As far as my ears can tell, there aren't that many
> > > "first-rate" orchestras, and the BPO is certainly
> > > not among them. This is a pointless discussion
> > > as long as you do not explain you criteria for
> > > "first-rate" orchestras,
> > > > and, since we're mostly talking about recordings,
> > > > any sound engineer can amp this up a little.
> > > > I would not consider the LSO a typical Mahler
> > > > orchestra.
> > > Their Mahler recordings under Jascha Horenstein
> > > were exemplary. In fairness that was a long time
> > > ago, before the UK switched to the metric system.
> > Yes, people forget (especially when they're surrounded
> > by LPs and CDs) that an orchestra changes over time,
> Yep.
> > members leave, conductors come and go (rarely talking
> > of Michelangelo) and, last but not least, audiences change.
> Yep.
> > Only if there is an unbroken performance tradition, as in
> > the case of the Concertgebouw, can one speak of a Mahler
> > orchestra because of the tradition and the old Mengelberg
> > scores. BTW I find it lamentable that the RCO identifies so
> > much with Mahler.
> Would you rather have the RCO identify itself with Boring van
> Beethoven or with Dick Wagner?

Oh gosh, I think it's not such a great idea to identify so much with one (1) composer. Of course they play non-Mahler all the time. I would not object to the RCO playing post Mahler music more frequently and drop Beethoven entirely (the acoustics do not help LvB's rhythms IMO). I have very good memories of a performance of a big Elliott Carter piece, at least ten years ago, no idea who was conducting. But even playing a lot of Prokofieff or Sibelius or DSCH would probably not sell out tix.

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 12:00:32 PM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 9:21:16 AM UTC+2, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:34:05 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 9:25:17 AM UTC+2, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 3:02:53 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> > > > > If there is such a thing as a Mahler sound
> > > > > (other than just an orchestra playing Mahler)
> > > > > it would require a certain opulence and sonority-
> > > > > indulging.
> > > > Indeed. Very perceptive!
> > > > > Any first-rate orchestra can do this,
> > > > As far as my ears can tell, there aren't that many
> > > > "first-rate" orchestras, and the BPO is certainly
> > > > not among them. This is a pointless discussion
> > > > as long as you do not explain you criteria for
> > > > "first-rate" orchestras,
> > > > > and, since we're mostly talking about recordings,
> > > > > any sound engineer can amp this up a little.
> > > > > I would not consider the LSO a typical Mahler
> > > > > orchestra.
> > > > Their Mahler recordings under Jascha Horenstein
> > > > were exemplary. In fairness that was a long time
> > > > ago, before the UK switched to the metric system.
> > > Yes, people forget (especially when they're surrounded
> > > by LPs and CDs) that an orchestra changes over time,
> > Yep.
> > > members leave, conductors come and go (rarely talking
> > > of Michelangelo) and, last but not least, audiences change.
> > Yep.
> > > Only if there is an unbroken performance tradition, as in
> > > the case of the Concertgebouw, can one speak of a Mahler
> > > orchestra because of the tradition and the old Mengelberg
> > > scores. BTW I find it lamentable that the RCO identifies so
> > > much with Mahler.
> > Would you rather have the RCO identify itself with Boring van
> > Beethoven or with Dick Wagner?
> Oh gosh, I think it's not such a great idea to identify so much
> with one (1) composer. Of course they play non-Mahler all the
> time. I would not object to the RCO playing post Mahler music
> more frequently and drop Beethoven entirely (the acoustics do
> not help LvB's rhythms IMO). I have very good memories of a
> performance of a big Elliott Carter piece, at least ten years ago,
> no idea who was conducting. But even playing a lot of Prokofiev
> or Sibelius or DSCH would probably not sell out tix.

Wouldn't Brahms, Schumann, Mendelssohn and Tchaikovsky
sell more tickets? Or Debussy, Franck or Ravel? The RCO is
the only orchestra outside of France that can produce the
"French sound".

Or how about "exotic" soloists and conductors? Tomomi
Nishimoto would single handedly double the RCO's appeal.

Otherwise, I agree with you about the hall's sound not being
the most suitable for Beethoven, Haydn or Meowszart.

dk

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 9:18:37 PM UTC+2, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Wouldn't Brahms, Schumann, Mendelssohn and Tchaikovsky
> sell more tickets? Or Debussy, Franck or Ravel? The RCO is
> the only orchestra outside of France that can produce the
> "French sound".

Yes, and that's why all the above are programmed frequently
>
> Or how about "exotic" soloists and conductors? Tomomi
> Nishimoto would single handedly double the RCO's appeal.

That's your taste.
>
> Otherwise, I agree with you about the hall's sound not being
> the most suitable for Beethoven, Haydn or Meowszart.
>
It's particularly LvB, whose weight to speed ratio is a problem, more than with Haydn and Mozart.

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 4:13:56 PM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 9:18:37 PM UTC+2, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Wouldn't Brahms, Schumann, Mendelssohn and Tchaikovsky
> > sell more tickets? Or Debussy, Franck or Ravel? The RCO is
> > the only orchestra outside of France that can produce the
> > "French sound".
> Yes, and that's why all the above are programmed frequently
> >
> > Or how about "exotic" soloists and conductors? Tomomi
> > Nishimoto would single handedly double the RCO's appeal.
> That's your taste.
> >
> > Otherwise, I agree with you about the hall's sound not being
> > the most suitable for Beethoven, Haydn or Meowszart.
> >
> It's particularly LvB, whose weight to speed ratio is a problem,
> more than with Haydn and Mozart.

LvB requires more beer than the other two for understanding
his music. One reason I never liked or understood LvB is that
I do not drink beer.

dk

Dan Koren a exposé le 05/06/2021 :
> One reason I never liked or understood LvB is that
> I do not drink beer.

I say it and I repeat it: you have an obvious problem with ALCOHOL...