On 2/1/2023 11:51 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> writes:
>> On 2/1/2023 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> I said:
>>>> .....Second, AR-15 platform .22 rifles have been around for a long time.
>>> Which statement felt disingenuous to me at the time. The vast
>>> majority of the public identifies a '.22' rifle with the .22LR (or short)
>>> round.
>>>
>>> Other than the diameter of the slug, there is very little in common
>>> between the .223 and the .22LR, or the weapons that use them.
>>
>> Maybe it was. The public also thinks of the .223 (or 5.56) as some huge,
>> instantaneous death dealing round, not the light-weight it is in
>> reality. (Which is why the Army is switching to the 6.8mm.}
>>
>> In several states the .223 can't be use for large game.
>
> In the county that I grew up in, rifles weren't allowed for
> hunting any large game (other than varmints); the deer and bear
> hunters used 12 or 16g deer slugs. The restrictions were
> primary for hunter safety due to the terrain and other factors.
>
> I believe that those restrictions have been relaxed or removed
> subsequently as the state has slid further to the right and
> the heston era NRA moved away from a hunters organization to
> a bunch of crazy fuckers.
>
>
>
Transplanted Texan, grew up in rural Indiana, and it was much the same
there. Shoutgun slug only for the same reason and because we didn't
generally have miles of open land for the miss to land on. You would
think that heavily forested land would count. Now, pistol caliber rifles
are now allowed, of which (talking to friends) .44 mag lever action
seems to be most popular, then .357. I doubt anyone is using .38 or 9mm.

Sorry about that. Somehow flipped my .written reply to .fandom

On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 13:06:37 -0600, "Jay E. Morris"
<morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:

>On 2/1/2023 11:51 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> writes:
>>> On 2/1/2023 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>> I said:
>>>>> .....Second, AR-15 platform .22 rifles have been around for a long time.
>>>> Which statement felt disingenuous to me at the time. The vast
>>>> majority of the public identifies a '.22' rifle with the .22LR (or short)
>>>> round.
>>>>
>>>> Other than the diameter of the slug, there is very little in common
>>>> between the .223 and the .22LR, or the weapons that use them.
>>>
>>> Maybe it was. The public also thinks of the .223 (or 5.56) as some huge,
>>> instantaneous death dealing round, not the light-weight it is in
>>> reality. (Which is why the Army is switching to the 6.8mm.}
>>>
>>> In several states the .223 can't be use for large game.
>>
>> In the county that I grew up in, rifles weren't allowed for
>> hunting any large game (other than varmints); the deer and bear
>> hunters used 12 or 16g deer slugs. The restrictions were
>> primary for hunter safety due to the terrain and other factors.
>>
>> I believe that those restrictions have been relaxed or removed
>> subsequently as the state has slid further to the right and
>> the heston era NRA moved away from a hunters organization to
>> a bunch of crazy fuckers.
>>
>>
>>
>Transplanted Texan, grew up in rural Indiana, and it was much the same
>there. Shoutgun slug only for the same reason and because we didn't
>generally have miles of open land for the miss to land on. You would
>think that heavily forested land would count. Now, pistol caliber rifles
>are now allowed, of which (talking to friends) .44 mag lever action
>seems to be most popular, then .357. I doubt anyone is using .38 or 9mm.

My father was a regular hunter, and tended to use a 30.06 or a 30 30,
either bolt or lever action. Usually converted WWII and earlier
military rifles. Note: This was in California, most hunting areas
are mountainous. I never heard of anyone using shotgun slugs (AKA
canons) for hunting, shotguns, with shot, are reserved for birds (and
skeet).
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On 2/1/2023 4:51 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 13:06:37 -0600, "Jay E. Morris"
> <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2023 11:51 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> writes:
>>>> On 2/1/2023 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>> I said:
>>>>>> .....Second, AR-15 platform .22 rifles have been around for a long time.
>>>>> Which statement felt disingenuous to me at the time. The vast
>>>>> majority of the public identifies a '.22' rifle with the .22LR (or short)
>>>>> round.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than the diameter of the slug, there is very little in common
>>>>> between the .223 and the .22LR, or the weapons that use them.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it was. The public also thinks of the .223 (or 5.56) as some huge,
>>>> instantaneous death dealing round, not the light-weight it is in
>>>> reality. (Which is why the Army is switching to the 6.8mm.}
>>>>
>>>> In several states the .223 can't be use for large game.
>>>
>>> In the county that I grew up in, rifles weren't allowed for
>>> hunting any large game (other than varmints); the deer and bear
>>> hunters used 12 or 16g deer slugs. The restrictions were
>>> primary for hunter safety due to the terrain and other factors.
>>>
>>> I believe that those restrictions have been relaxed or removed
>>> subsequently as the state has slid further to the right and
>>> the heston era NRA moved away from a hunters organization to
>>> a bunch of crazy fuckers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Transplanted Texan, grew up in rural Indiana, and it was much the same
>> there. Shoutgun slug only for the same reason and because we didn't
>> generally have miles of open land for the miss to land on. You would
>> think that heavily forested land would count. Now, pistol caliber rifles
>> are now allowed, of which (talking to friends) .44 mag lever action
>> seems to be most popular, then .357. I doubt anyone is using .38 or 9mm.
>
> My father was a regular hunter, and tended to use a 30.06 or a 30 30,
> either bolt or lever action. Usually converted WWII and earlier
> military rifles. Note: This was in California, most hunting areas
> are mountainous. I never heard of anyone using shotgun slugs (AKA
> canons) for hunting, shotguns, with shot, are reserved for birds (and
> skeet).

Common in areas without a lot of wide open spaces or very large piles of
dirt and stone to stop high-power rifle rounds. As I said above, it was
required in Indiana until 2017. And I just got word back that the pistol
caliber is only for public land. Private land is anything above .243/6mm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_slug