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 by: The Doctor - Wed, 6 Dec 2023 16:20 UTC

https://www.facebook.com/groups/SpitzDoctorWhoGroup/posts/10160656656562771/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9361046/reviews?ref_=tt_urv
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 by: The Last Doctor - Wed, 6 Dec 2023 18:48 UTC

The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/SpitzDoctorWhoGroup/posts/10160656656562771/

I can’t see that post or its comments. That’s a private group that looks
like it’s pretending to be the official “Doctor Who” group Dave. I’m not
applying to join a group that is faking authenticity and hiding its
discussions. Recipe for a hate group right there.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt9361046/reviews?sort=userRating&dir=desc

Fixed your link, for some reason your version was starting at the very
bottom end of the reviews … the episode had 6k ratings for an average of
5.2 stars (yes, it was divisive) but 121 of 276 reviews (only 2.5% of
raters places a review) are 1 star - which just reflects the fact that far
more people who dislike a thing write to criticise than those who like it
write to praise it … and maybe you should get a chance to read some other
views before getting bored with dozens of essentially identical hate
reviews …

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“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 7 Dec 2023 01:06 UTC

In article <ukqflv$sio7$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/SpitzDoctorWhoGroup/posts/10160656656562771/
>
> I can’t see that post or its comments. That’s a private group that looks
>like it’s pretending to be the official “Doctor Who” group Dave.
>I’m not
>applying to join a group that is faking authenticity and hiding its
>discussions. Recipe for a hate group right there.
>

Try joining.

>https://m.imdb.com/title/tt9361046/reviews?sort=userRating&dir=desc
>
>Fixed your link, for some reason your version was starting at the very
>bottom end of the reviews … the episode had 6k ratings for an average of
>5.2 stars (yes, it was divisive) but 121 of 276 reviews (only 2.5% of
>raters places a review) are 1 star - which just reflects the fact that far
>more people who dislike a thing write to criticise than those who like it
>write to praise it … and maybe you should get a chance to read some other
>views before getting bored with dozens of essentially identical hate
>reviews …
>

Fixed or are you putting a fix?

>--
>“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

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The Last Doctor wrote:

> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> >
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SpitzDoctorWhoGroup/posts/10160656656562771/
>
> I’m not applying to join a group that is faking authenticity
> and hiding its discussions. Recipe for a hate group right there.

A hate group? Of Doctor Who fans? Nah, surely not...

Dave goes on about Google but he'll happily spam RADW with dodgy Spacebook
links...

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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 7 Dec 2023 12:10 UTC

In article <xn0oaaqgmq64uvt000@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Last Doctor wrote:
>
>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> >
>https://www.facebook.com/groups/SpitzDoctorWhoGroup/posts/10160656656562771/
>>
>> I’m not applying to join a group that is faking authenticity
>> and hiding its discussions. Recipe for a hate group right there.
>
>A hate group? Of Doctor Who fans? Nah, surely not...
>
>Dave goes on about Google but he'll happily spam RADW with dodgy Spacebook
>links...

spacebook?
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 by: Travoltron - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 08:21 UTC

On 12/6/2023 10:48 AM, The Last Doctor wrote:
> I can’t see that post or its comments. That’s a private group that looks
> like it’s pretending to be the official “Doctor Who” group Dave. I’m not
> applying to join a group that is faking authenticity and hiding its
> discussions. Recipe for a hate group right there.

What a coward you are.

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 by: The Last Doctor - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 10:28 UTC

Travoltron <Travoltron@fakeemail.com> wrote:
> On 12/6/2023 10:48 AM, The Last Doctor wrote:
>> I can’t see that post or its comments. That’s a private group that looks
>> like it’s pretending to be the official “Doctor Who” group Dave. I’m not
>> applying to join a group that is faking authenticity and hiding its
>> discussions. Recipe for a hate group right there.
>
> What a coward you are.
>

If that group changes its public identity from “Doctor Who” to something
that makes is clear it isn’t the official forum of Doctor Who, and opens up
its posts to be read so that a reasonable decision can be made as to
whether it’s a community I’d like to engage with, then I can decide.

Meanwhile Dave would be welcome to copy-paste some of the content so that
we can see what is being discussed. Why on Earth would any sensible person
want to validate a group that hides its identity and its discussions by
trying to join it?

Meaningless accusations of cowardice are just trolling.

--
“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 14:20 UTC

In article <uljmm1$2baji$1@dont-email.me>,
Travoltron <Travoltron@fakeemail.com> wrote:
>On 12/6/2023 10:48 AM, The Last Doctor wrote:
>> I can’t see that post or its comments. That’s a private group
>that looks
>> like it’s pretending to be the official “Doctor Who” group
>Dave. I’m not
>> applying to join a group that is faking authenticity and hiding its
>> discussions. Recipe for a hate group right there.
>
>What a coward you are.

What do you expect from the Pro-Timess Child group?
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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 14:21 UTC

In article <ulju4u$2cfk6$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>Travoltron <Travoltron@fakeemail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/6/2023 10:48 AM, The Last Doctor wrote:
>>> I can’t see that post or its comments. That’s a private group that looks
>>> like it’s pretending to be the official “Doctor Who” group
>Dave. I’m not
>>> applying to join a group that is faking authenticity and hiding its
>>> discussions. Recipe for a hate group right there.
>>
>> What a coward you are.
>>
>
>If that group changes its public identity from “Doctor Who” to something
>that makes is clear it isn’t the official forum of Doctor Who, and opens up
>its posts to be read so that a reasonable decision can be made as to
>whether it’s a community I’d like to engage with, then I can decide.
>
>Meanwhile Dave would be welcome to copy-paste some of the content so that
>we can see what is being discussed. Why on Earth would any sensible person
>want to validate a group that hides its identity and its discussions by
>trying to join it?
>
>Meaningless accusations of cowardice are just trolling.
>

Who trolls who?

>--
>“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

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 by: Blueshirt - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 15:37 UTC

The Doctor wrote:

> In article <uljmm1$2baji$1@dont-email.me>,
> Travoltron <Travoltron@fakeemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What a coward you are.
>
> What do you expect from the Pro-Timess Child group?

This actually isn't a pro-Timeless Child group Dave... that just
shows your lack of comprehension and how much attention you actually
pay to the discussions here while you pursue your quest to be the top
poster.

What I say is and have said is, it won't be retconned. Mainly because
RTD has said so. But logically it never made sense for him to do so.
Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor's era is officially termed "Season One"... which
means a soft reboot for the show - probably for the Disney+ audience
- so RTD/Bad Wolf were never going to waste time revisiting Chris
Chibnall's baggage just to write it out.

Anybody thinking other wise was just being delusional.

However it doesn't mean we thought the Timeless Child was a great
idea!

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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 16:32 UTC

In article <nnd$77e889e9$6c98e873@151f7b58505a7d65>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <uljmm1$2baji$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Travoltron <Travoltron@fakeemail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > What a coward you are.
>>
>> What do you expect from the Pro-Timess Child group?
>
>This actually isn't a pro-Timeless Child group Dave... that just
>shows your lack of comprehension and how much attention you actually
>pay to the discussions here while you pursue your quest to be the top
>poster.
>
>What I say is and have said is, it won't be retconned. Mainly because
>RTD has said so. But logically it never made sense for him to do so.
>Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor's era is officially termed "Season One"... which
>means a soft reboot for the show - probably for the Disney+ audience
>- so RTD/Bad Wolf were never going to waste time revisiting Chris
>Chibnall's baggage just to write it out.
>
>Anybody thinking other wise was just being delusional.
>
>However it doesn't mean we thought the Timeless Child was a great
>idea!

The Timeless Child an albatroos on Doctor Who!
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 by: Blueshirt - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 16:37 UTC

The Doctor wrote:

> In article <nnd$77e889e9$6c98e873@151f7b58505a7d65>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > The Doctor wrote:
> >>
> >> What do you expect from the Pro-Timess Child group?
> >
> > This actually isn't a pro-Timeless Child group Dave... that just
> > shows your lack of comprehension and how much attention you
> > actually pay to the discussions here while you pursue your quest
> > to be the top poster.
> >
> > What I say and have said is, it won't be retconned. Mainly
> > because RTD has said so. But logically it never made sense for
> > him to do so. Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor's era is officially termed
> > "Season One"... which means a soft reboot for the show - probably
> > for the Disney+ audience - so RTD/Bad Wolf were never going to
> > waste time revisiting Chris Chibnall's baggage just to write it
> > out.
> >
> > Anybody thinking other wise was just being delusional.
> >
> > However it doesn't mean we thought the Timeless Child was a great
> > idea!
>
> The Timeless Child an albatroos on Doctor Who!

Assuming you mean Albatross, nobody contradicts you on that! The
argument we put is right or wrong it's part of the show. I never
thought it would be retconned and I don't need it to be. I like and
dislike various parts of Doctor Who. The Timeless Child was a bad
idea, but that era has gone. So we go forward and move on.

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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 16:45 UTC

In article <nnd$533b223b$18f84637@d0ec5fa94412df35>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <nnd$77e889e9$6c98e873@151f7b58505a7d65>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> > The Doctor wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What do you expect from the Pro-Timess Child group?
>> >
>> > This actually isn't a pro-Timeless Child group Dave... that just
>> > shows your lack of comprehension and how much attention you
>> > actually pay to the discussions here while you pursue your quest
>> > to be the top poster.
>> >
>> > What I say and have said is, it won't be retconned. Mainly
>> > because RTD has said so. But logically it never made sense for
>> > him to do so. Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor's era is officially termed
>> > "Season One"... which means a soft reboot for the show - probably
>> > for the Disney+ audience - so RTD/Bad Wolf were never going to
>> > waste time revisiting Chris Chibnall's baggage just to write it
>> > out.
>> >
>> > Anybody thinking other wise was just being delusional.
>> >
>> > However it doesn't mean we thought the Timeless Child was a great
>> > idea!
>>
>> The Timeless Child an albatroos on Doctor Who!
>
>Assuming you mean Albatross, nobody contradicts you on that! The
>argument we put is right or wrong it's part of the show. I never
>thought it would be retconned and I don't need it to be. I like and
>dislike various parts of Doctor Who. The Timeless Child was a bad
>idea, but that era has gone. So we go forward and move on.
>
>

Retcon the albatross out to restore Doctor Who to glory!
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 by: Daniel65 - Sun, 17 Dec 2023 09:34 UTC

The Doctor wrote on 17/12/23 3:45 am:
> In article <nnd$533b223b$18f84637@d0ec5fa94412df35>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <nnd$77e889e9$6c98e873@151f7b58505a7d65>,
>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you expect from the Pro-Timess Child group?
>>>>
>>>> This actually isn't a pro-Timeless Child group Dave... that just
>>>> shows your lack of comprehension and how much attention you
>>>> actually pay to the discussions here while you pursue your quest
>>>> to be the top poster.
>>>>
>>>> What I say and have said is, it won't be retconned. Mainly
>>>> because RTD has said so. But logically it never made sense for
>>>> him to do so. Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor's era is officially termed
>>>> "Season One"... which means a soft reboot for the show - probably
>>>> for the Disney+ audience - so RTD/Bad Wolf were never going to
>>>> waste time revisiting Chris Chibnall's baggage just to write it
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody thinking other wise was just being delusional.
>>>>
>>>> However it doesn't mean we thought the Timeless Child was a great
>>>> idea!
>>>
>>> The Timeless Child an albatroos on Doctor Who!
>>
>> Assuming you mean Albatross, nobody contradicts you on that! The
>> argument we put is right or wrong it's part of the show. I never
>> thought it would be retconned and I don't need it to be. I like and
>> dislike various parts of Doctor Who. The Timeless Child was a bad
>> idea, but that era has gone. So we go forward and move on.
>
> Retcon the albatross out to restore Doctor Who to glory!
>
Yes, Blueshirt, the asswipe has very little, if any, comprehension of
what he reads!!
--
Daniel

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 by: The Last Doctor - Sun, 17 Dec 2023 10:08 UTC

The Doctor wrote:
> Blueshirt wrote:
>> The Doctor wrote:
>>> Blueshirt wrote:

>>>> … it doesn't mean we thought the Timeless Child was a great
>>>> idea!

Word.

>>> The Timeless Child an albatroos on Doctor Who!

Albatroos. A very very Scottish pair of trousers.

>> The Timeless Child was a bad
>> idea, but that era has gone.

Again, word. Though it’s the specific implementation, rather than the core
concept of a pre-Hartnell Doctor (which I’ve believed in ever since it was
shown to us on screen in 1976) that I am not keen on.

> Retcon the albatross out to restore Doctor Who to glory!

The Albatross is a key element of the “intermission”sketch. Without it,
Cleese would merely be selling wafers, or possibly the “gannet on a stick”
that features at the end of the sketch.

“Two choc ices, please.”
“I haven’t got any choc ices. I’ve only got this …ALBATROSS!”

I can’t see any reason to retcon it out: Python would be poorer without it.
And I’m not sure what it has to do with Doctor Who anyway.

And if the Doctor ever did encounter the Ancient Mariner from Coleridge’s
poem, surely that albatross would also be integral to the story.

As to the Doctor’s “glory” days, those ended on 20 October 1979. I’ve
really enjoyed the new era, or most of it, but it’s never fully recaptured
the bonkers magic it held for me as a child and the last truly great story
for me was City of Death. It was all downhill from there to Survival, and
though it leapt back up in quality by leagues after that, it’s never been
quite the same since. Maybe if I could view Tennant or Smith with the eyes
of a child … but we can’t.

--
“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

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 by: The Doctor - Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:02 UTC

In article <ulmfc4$2sbda$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote on 17/12/23 3:45 am:
>> In article <nnd$533b223b$18f84637@d0ec5fa94412df35>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <nnd$77e889e9$6c98e873@151f7b58505a7d65>,
>>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you expect from the Pro-Timess Child group?
>>>>>
>>>>> This actually isn't a pro-Timeless Child group Dave... that just
>>>>> shows your lack of comprehension and how much attention you
>>>>> actually pay to the discussions here while you pursue your quest
>>>>> to be the top poster.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I say and have said is, it won't be retconned. Mainly
>>>>> because RTD has said so. But logically it never made sense for
>>>>> him to do so. Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor's era is officially termed
>>>>> "Season One"... which means a soft reboot for the show - probably
>>>>> for the Disney+ audience - so RTD/Bad Wolf were never going to
>>>>> waste time revisiting Chris Chibnall's baggage just to write it
>>>>> out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody thinking other wise was just being delusional.
>>>>>
>>>>> However it doesn't mean we thought the Timeless Child was a great
>>>>> idea!
>>>>
>>>> The Timeless Child an albatroos on Doctor Who!
>>>
>>> Assuming you mean Albatross, nobody contradicts you on that! The
>>> argument we put is right or wrong it's part of the show. I never
>>> thought it would be retconned and I don't need it to be. I like and
>>> dislike various parts of Doctor Who. The Timeless Child was a bad
>>> idea, but that era has gone. So we go forward and move on.
>>
>> Retcon the albatross out to restore Doctor Who to glory!
>>
>Yes, Blueshirt, the % has very little, if any, comprehension of
>what he reads!!
>--
>Daniel

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 by: The Doctor - Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:03 UTC

In article <ulmhb5$2smtp$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>> Blueshirt wrote:
>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>> Blueshirt wrote:
>
>>>>> … it doesn't mean we thought the Timeless Child was a great
>>>>> idea!
>
>Word.
>
>>>> The Timeless Child an albatroos on Doctor Who!
>
>Albatroos. A very very Scottish pair of trousers.
>
>>> The Timeless Child was a bad
>>> idea, but that era has gone.
>
>Again, word. Though it’s the specific implementation, rather than the core
>concept of a pre-Hartnell Doctor (which I’ve believed in ever since it was
>shown to us on screen in 1976) that I am not keen on.
>
>> Retcon the albatross out to restore Doctor Who to glory!
>
>The Albatross is a key element of the “intermission”sketch. Without it,
>Cleese would merely be selling wafers, or possibly the “gannet on a stick”
>that features at the end of the sketch.
>
>“Two choc ices, please.”
>“I haven’t got any choc ices. I’ve only got this …ALBATROSS!”
>
>I can’t see any reason to retcon it out: Python would be poorer without it.
>And I’m not sure what it has to do with Doctor Who anyway.
>
>And if the Doctor ever did encounter the Ancient Mariner from Coleridge’s
>poem, surely that albatross would also be integral to the story.
>
>As to the Doctor’s “glory” days, those ended on 20 October 1979. I’ve
>really enjoyed the new era, or most of it, but it’s never fully recaptured
>the bonkers magic it held for me as a child and the last truly great story
>for me was City of Death. It was all downhill from there to Survival, and
>though it leapt back up in quality by leagues after that, it’s never been
>quite the same since. Maybe if I could view Tennant or Smith with the eyes
>of a child … but we can’t.
>

Retcon the Timeless Child!

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 by: Agent Jakanov - Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:51 UTC

doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ulkk77$f1i$1
@gallifrey.nk.ca:

> In article <nnd$533b223b$18f84637@d0ec5fa94412df35>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>The Doctor wrote:

>>> The Timeless Child an albatroos on Doctor Who!
>>
>>Assuming you mean Albatross, nobody contradicts you on that! The
>>argument we put is right or wrong it's part of the show. I never
>>thought it would be retconned and I don't need it to be. I like and
>>dislike various parts of Doctor Who. The Timeless Child was a bad
>>idea, but that era has gone. So we go forward and move on.
>
> Retcon the albatross out to restore Doctor Who to glory!

Comrade, could you send me the latest script from the Kremlin, pozhalusta?
Mine seems to be outdaded.

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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 18 Dec 2023 00:25 UTC

In article <ulmudi$2umvk$8@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ulkk77$f1i$1
>@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>
>> In article <nnd$533b223b$18f84637@d0ec5fa94412df35>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>The Doctor wrote:
>
>>>> The Timeless Child an albatroos on Doctor Who!
>>>
>>>Assuming you mean Albatross, nobody contradicts you on that! The
>>>argument we put is right or wrong it's part of the show. I never
>>>thought it would be retconned and I don't need it to be. I like and
>>>dislike various parts of Doctor Who. The Timeless Child was a bad
>>>idea, but that era has gone. So we go forward and move on.
>>
>> Retcon the albatross out to restore Doctor Who to glory!
>
>Comrade, could you send me the latest script from the Kremlin, pozhalusta?
>Mine seems to be outdaded.

Arrest the GRU!
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 by: Agent Jakanov - Mon, 18 Dec 2023 03:49 UTC

doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
news:ulo3hp$18jc$7@gallifrey.nk.ca:

> In article <ulmudi$2umvk$8@dont-email.me>,
> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ulkk77$f1i$1
>>@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>
>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>>>> The Timeless Child an albatroos on Doctor Who!
>>>>

>>> Retcon the albatross out to restore Doctor Who to glory!
>>
>>Comrade, could you send me the latest script from the Kremlin,
>>pozhalusta? Mine seems to be outdaded.
>
> Arrest the GRU!

Okei. Thanks for the update, brat. I'll add that to mine too.

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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 18 Dec 2023 06:00 UTC

In article <ulofgg$3b3u1$2@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
>news:ulo3hp$18jc$7@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>
>> In article <ulmudi$2umvk$8@dont-email.me>,
>> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>>>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ulkk77$f1i$1
>>>@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>
>>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>>The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> The Timeless Child an albatroos on Doctor Who!
>>>>>
>
>>>> Retcon the albatross out to restore Doctor Who to glory!
>>>
>>>Comrade, could you send me the latest script from the Kremlin,
>>>pozhalusta? Mine seems to be outdaded.
>>
>> Arrest the GRU!
>
>Okei. Thanks for the update, brat. I'll add that to mine too.
>

Please do. The KGB went bust!
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 by: Agent Jakanov - Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:48 UTC

doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ulon5a$gvk$2
@gallifrey.nk.ca:

> In article <ulofgg$3b3u1$2@dont-email.me>,
> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:

>>>>Comrade, could you send me the latest script from the Kremlin,
>>>>pozhalusta? Mine seems to be outdaded.
>>>
>>> Arrest the GRU!
>>
>>Okei. Thanks for the update, brat. I'll add that to mine too.
>>
>
> Please do. The KGB went bust!

It's true, in both sense of the word. Do you like Russian woman?

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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 18 Dec 2023 23:48 UTC

In article <ulq45p$3kk4b$1@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ulon5a$gvk$2
>@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>
>> In article <ulofgg$3b3u1$2@dont-email.me>,
>> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>
>>>>>Comrade, could you send me the latest script from the Kremlin,
>>>>>pozhalusta? Mine seems to be outdaded.
>>>>
>>>> Arrest the GRU!
>>>
>>>Okei. Thanks for the update, brat. I'll add that to mine too.
>>>
>>
>> Please do. The KGB went bust!
>
>It's true, in both sense of the word. Do you like Russian woman?

AS long as they can kick Putin the groin!
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 by: Agent Jakanov - Tue, 19 Dec 2023 01:34 UTC

doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ulqlon$1bb4$4
@gallifrey.nk.ca:

> In article <ulq45p$3kk4b$1@dont-email.me>,
> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ulon5a$gvk$2
>>@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>
>>> In article <ulofgg$3b3u1$2@dont-email.me>,
>>> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Comrade, could you send me the latest script from the Kremlin,
>>>>>>pozhalusta? Mine seems to be outdaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arrest the GRU!
>>>>
>>>>Okei. Thanks for the update, brat. I'll add that to mine too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Please do. The KGB went bust!
>>
>>It's true, in both sense of the word. Do you like Russian woman?
>
> AS long as they can kick Putin the groin!

You must help them escape from jail then. Are you strong man? Russian
women who can kick groin are waiting for you near Novosibrisk. xoxo

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 by: The Doctor - Tue, 19 Dec 2023 06:07 UTC

In article <ulqruc$3ocmj$2@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ulqlon$1bb4$4
>@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>
>> In article <ulq45p$3kk4b$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>>>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ulon5a$gvk$2
>>>@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>
>>>> In article <ulofgg$3b3u1$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>Comrade, could you send me the latest script from the Kremlin,
>>>>>>>pozhalusta? Mine seems to be outdaded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arrest the GRU!
>>>>>
>>>>>Okei. Thanks for the update, brat. I'll add that to mine too.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please do. The KGB went bust!
>>>
>>>It's true, in both sense of the word. Do you like Russian woman?
>>
>> AS long as they can kick Putin the groin!
>
>You must help them escape from jail then. Are you strong man? Russian
>women who can kick groin are waiting for you near Novosibrisk. xoxo

Drop Putin in Novosibrisk .
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