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05/12/23 -- Vol. 41, No. 46, Whole Number 2275

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Topics:
NORTH BY NORTHWEST (comments by Mark R. Leeper)
Mini Reviews, Part 22 (PK, MIDSOMMAR, WE HAVE A GHOST)
(film reviews by Mark R. Leeper
and Evelyn C. Leeper)
Roddenberry Archives Project and Otoy (comments
by Greg Frederick)
A.I. Designs 3D Printed Rocket Engine (comments
by Greg Frederick)
Re-Reading, Banshees, Mary Robinette Kowal
(letter of comment by John Hertz)
This Week's Reading (ONCE UPON A TOME) (book comments
by Evelyn C. Leeper)

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TOPIC: NORTH BY NORTHWEST (comments by Mark R. Leeper)

I am 72 years old and I have earned the right to speak my mind now.

There is no way Cary Grant could have pulled Eva Marie Saint up to
the ledge in NORTH BY NORTHWEST. She's dead. [-mrl]

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TOPIC: Mini Reviews, Part 22 (film reviews by Mark R. Leeper and
Evelyn C. Leeper)

This is the twenty-second batch of mini-reviews, all films of the
fantastic:

PK (2014): PK is a 2014 Indian science fiction film about an alien
who is visiting Earth. Within the first five minutes of his
arrival, someone steals the device for recalling his spaceship.
But unlike E.T., PK looks entirely human, even if he acts a little
weird, and talks a little strange. And the weirdness is how PK
gets his name: people keep calling him "peekay", which is Hindi for
"drunk"--or "tipsy", as the subtitles would have it. (The latter
makes him sound like an alien Topper or Thin Man.)

PK does have the same problem as E.T., but instead of hiding in
closets or within Halloween costumes, he interacts with society,
which he does not entirely understand. (Example: he sees someone
hand a vendor a 20-rupee note with Gandhi on it, and get some food
in return. So he collects all the pictures of Gandhi he can
finds--postcards, flyers, posters--and tries to exchange them for
food.)

So this is much more a "first contact" story, with the convenience
of PK able to acquire language skills fairly early on through
telepathy. But the real focus of PK (the movie) is religion, as PK
tries to petition God--some God, any God--to help him get his
"remote" back after seeing everyone around him asking God for
favors. Needless to say, it doesn't work, and PK develops a
philosophy that deals with this.

There is also a love story that serves more as bookends than as a
through-thread, and a few songs, but no major production numbers.
Its main virtue is as a science fiction film. [-mrl/ecl]

Released 18 December 2014; US release date unknown; currently on
Netflix streaming. Rating: +2 (-4 to +4), or 7/10

Film Credits: <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2338151/reference>

What others are saying: <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pk>

MIDSOMMAR (2019): In MIDSOMMAR, three friends travel to Sweden to
observe the midsummer festival at the farm/commune of another of
their friends. It is probably not much of a spoiler at this point
to say that this film bears more than a slight resemblance to THE
WICKER MAN, although the "outsiders" here are not quite as clueless
as Sergeant Howie. For starters, one of them is doing his thesis
on midsummer festivals.

This is a 2019 movie, so not surprisingly, there is more sex (and
gore) than in the 1972 WICKER MAN. (FWIW, Britt Ekland's dance in
THE WICKER MAN is far more erotic than the more explicit sex of
MIDSOMMAR.) There are also more special effects, though they are
primarily in the service of either the gore, or various
hallucinations, rather than any possible supernatural elements.

Of interest to those who follow folk horror (see our review of
WOODLANDS DARK AND DAYS BEWITCHED in the 01/06/23 issue), but
obviously THE WICKER MAN (the original from 1973, not the 2006
remake) should be seen before this. [-mrl/ecl]

Released 03 July 2019. Rating: high +1 (-4 to +4) or 6/10

Film Credits: <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8772262/reference>

What others are saying: <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/midsommar>

WE HAVE A GHOST (2023): WE HAVE A GHOST is a family-friendly
(PG-13) horror comedy about a family that moves into a house with a
ghost who tries to be scary, but is actually totally lost. He has
no memory, can't talk (but can groan), and doesn't even seem to
have come from the house. (He apparently can interact with the
real world, but no one ever thinks to have him write answers to
questions that might help solve his mystery. For that matter, his
interactions with the real world seem inconsistent, or as one
character describes it, "We can't touch you, but you can touch us?"
[-ecl]

Released on Netflix streaming 24 February 2023. Rating: low +1 (-4
to +4) or 5/10

Film Credits: <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7798604/reference>

What others are saying:
<https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/we_have_a_ghost>

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TOPIC: Roddenberry Archives Project and Otoy (comments by Greg
Frederick)

Here is a link for the Roddenberry Archives Project and Otoy below
<https://home.otoy.com/roddenberryarchiveaug22/>

And here is a link for a two-minute film called "Regeneration"
which has an old CGI Spock in a hooded outfit and then a younger
Spock (real actor) in a blue uniform:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KXU2Ob8gYY>

The blue uniform Spock is an actor heavily made up to look like
Spock (the likeness is amazing). Nimoy died in 2015 but look at
the actor they got recently to be part of the Roddenberry Archives
project to recreate old Star Trek episodes like "The Cage".

[-gf]

Mark commented:

Hard to believe. [-mrl]

Greg responded:

Yes, hard to believe. Wait till you see what AI (artificial
intelligence) and CGI has done to de-age Harrison Ford for the new
"Indiana Jones" film coming this summer. They are using AI to mine
thousands of old Ford video images from his early films to
re-create a thirty-something Ford for part of that film and then
blended and animated his early face with CGI. [-gf]

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TOPIC: A.I. Designs 3D Printed Rocket Engine (comments by Greg
Frederick)

Looks like AI is already designing a 3D printed rocket engine.
It's a design no human designer ever created.

Five-minute video here:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cms_v_OUXco>

[-gf]

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TOPIC: Re-Reading, Banshees, Mary Robinette Kowal (letter of
comment by John Hertz)

In response to comments in various issues of the MT VOID, John
Hertz writes:

I agree with E (VOID 2266, v. 41 n. 37 10 Mar) that CORIOLANUS
(Shakespeare), THE HOBBIT (Tolkien), KIM (Kipling), MOBY-DICK
(Melville), and Jane Austen are worth re-reading; and I have. I
re-read the 1969 Penguin rev. of Harbage's 1967 ed'n of the
COMPLETE WORKS (each play with its own editor; what H calls the
"non-dramatic poetry" e.g. VENUS AND ADONIS, sonnets; introductory
essays). I often quote Nabokov's "You never appreciate a good book
until you read it at least a second time", see his wonderful
LECTURES ON LITERATURE (F. Bowers ed. 1980), which incidentally has
the best treatment of JYKYLL & HYDE I know (S pronounced the
doctor's name jeek'l, it's Scots, as S was; to help pronounce N's
name there's a book in it, na-*book*-off; he'd probably welcome
[wherever he may be, 1899-1977] jokes on "Na book off", he used to
point out that the difference between a thing's cosmic
significance, and its comic significance, was a single sibilant).

My Irish friend insists there is only one banshee (VOID 2267, v. 41
n. 38, 17 Mar). I dunno.

Here's a further reminder of Mary Robinette Kowal's range (VOID
2267). Whe Discon III in the midst of its hardships found itself
with no one in the chair, she stepped up to that task--which few
pros have done; perhaps few could, it's very unlike their ordinary
(if I may use that word) work. I was one of the Masquerade judges,
as I often am; another was Jill Eastlake, as she often is; the
third was Kowal--while chairing that Worldcon!--at which she was
jes' find (hello, fellow POGO fans).

On 5/14/23 10:53 AM, eleeper@optonline.net wrote:
> I agree with E (VOID 2266, v. 41 n. 37 10 Mar) that CORIOLANUS
> (Shakespeare), THE HOBBIT (Tolkien), KIM (Kipling), MOBY-DICK
> (Melville), and Jane Austen are worth re-reading; and I have. I
> re-read the 1969 Penguin rev. of Harbage's 1967 ed'n of the
> COMPLETE WORKS (each play with its own editor; what H calls the
> "non-dramatic poetry" e.g. VENUS AND ADONIS, sonnets; introductory
> essays). I often quote Nabokov's "You never appreciate a good book
> until you read it at least a second time", see his wonderful
> LECTURES ON LITERATURE (F. Bowers ed. 1980), which incidentally has
> the best treatment of JYKYLL & HYDE I know (S pronounced the
> doctor's name jeek'l, it's Scots, as S was; to help pronounce N's
> name there's a book in it, na-*book*-off; he'd probably welcome
> [wherever he may be, 1899-1977] jokes on "Na book off", he used to
> point out that the difference between a thing's cosmic
> significance, and its comic significance, was a single sibilant).

Much like the difference between the Italian words for winter (inverno)
and Hell (inferno).

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

In article <013674b3-4d22-46ad-877f-1ae212e74bb8n@googlegroups.com>,
evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:

> (FWIW, Britt Ekland's dance in
> THE WICKER MAN is far more erotic than the more explicit sex of
> MIDSOMMAR.)

Apparently a body double was used for Ekland.

In article <013674b3-4d22-46ad-877f-1ae212e74bb8n@googlegroups.com>,
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
>Here's a further reminder of Mary Robinette Kowal's range (VOID
>2267). Whe Discon III in the midst of its hardships found itself
>with no one in the chair, she stepped up to that task--which few
>pros have done; perhaps few could, it's very unlike their ordinary
>(if I may use that word) work. I was one of the Masquerade judges,
>as I often am; another was Jill Eastlake, as she often is; the
>third was Kowal--while chairing that Worldcon!--at which she was
>jes' find (hello, fellow POGO fans).

(Hal Heydt)
Small World Dept. My brother-in-law, George Mitchell, is an old
friend of the Eastlakes.

In article <memo.20230514173421.11852A@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>,
Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <013674b3-4d22-46ad-877f-1ae212e74bb8n@googlegroups.com>,
>evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:
>
>> (FWIW, Britt Ekland's dance in
>> THE WICKER MAN is far more erotic than the more explicit sex of
>> MIDSOMMAR.)
>
>Apparently a body double was used for Ekland.

Whoever that body double is, they deserve an Oscar.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article <u3shqv$fap$1@panix2.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

> Whoever that body double is, they deserve an Oscar.

According to the IMDb, it was a stripper from Glasgow.

Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
> . . .

I'm glad to hear you're still here. I thought of you when I recently
watched the Horrible Histories Prom on YouTube. Have you seen it,
either in person or online?

Horrible Histories also has a "Monarch Song," a really catchy tune
that teaches the names of all the English/British kings and queens --
including the latest one -- since 1066.

Speaking of which, I also watched the coronation. It's interesting
that they once again played Zadok the Priest for its intended purpose,
for just the tenth time ever.

It's interesting that Charles III is not a descendant of Charles I or
Charles II, but his elsest son is descended from both -- and is also
descended from someone who fought on the American side in the American
Revolution.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

In article <u46i0r$r35$1@reader2.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F.
Lynch) wrote:

>
> I'm glad to hear you're still here. I thought of you when I recently
> watched the Horrible Histories Prom on YouTube. Have you seen it,
> either in person or online?

Horrible Histories was broadcast on the children's channel of the BBC and
I never caught it. However, the team behind it did a comic fantasy
series called Yonderland and went on to do the sitcom Ghosts. They also
were involved in (but don't appear in) the US version of the sitcom.

On 5/18/23 9:05 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

> Speaking of which, I also watched the coronation. It's interesting
> that they once again played Zadok the Priest for its intended purpose,
> for just the tenth time ever.

Do you mean the coronation of a king or something more specific?

It expresses the wish each time that it will be the last time. ("May the
king live forever.") So far that hasn't happened.

Mozart wrote a Coronation Mass and a Coronation Concerto, neither of
which was written specifically for a coronation.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

On 5/18/23 9:05 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

> Speaking of which, I also watched the coronation. It's interesting
> that they once again played Zadok the Priest for its intended purpose,
> for just the tenth time ever.

I didn't follow the coronation, but during one bit which I happened to
catch, The middle part of "Jupiter" from Holst's "The Planets" was sung
as a hymn. Apparently the British have filked it.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

In <u4li7f$31fqi$1@dont-email.me> Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> writes:

>I didn't follow the coronation, but during one bit which I happened to
>catch, The middle part of "Jupiter" from Holst's "The Planets" was sung
>as a hymn. Apparently the British have filked it.

Yes, they have:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Vow_to_Thee,_My_Country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZvylOSy5A

One of the concert bands I play with [ https://306wingconcertband.ca ] has
an arrangement of it in our repertoire.

- Steven
--
___________________________________________________________________________
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Montreal, QC, Canada | morning, nothing worse will happen all day
smw@smwonline.ca | long." -- California saying
http://smwonline.ca |
| "...to you or the toad."
| -- Niven's restatement of California saying

Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
> Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>> Speaking of which, I also watched the coronation. It's interesting
>> that they once again played Zadok the Priest for its intended
>> purpose, for just the tenth time ever.

> Do you mean the coronation of a king or something more specific?

King or Queen. Handel composed it about 300 years ago for the
then-upcoming coronation of George II. It was used for him, and
for the nine British coronations since then: George III, George IV,
William IV, Victoria, Edward VII, George V, George VI, Elizabeth II,
and Charles III. (Edward VIII didn't get a coronation.)

It's used when the monarch is oiled (!) by a priest, as Zadok
allegedly did with King Solomon. Coronations are very much religious
ceremonies. Europe was scandalized when Napoleon crowned himself
rather than letting a priest do it.

> It expresses the wish each time that it will be the last time.
> ("May the king live forever.") So far that hasn't happened.

The last British king only made it to 56. But it's too soon to be
sure that Charles III won't live forever.

It's certainly been pointed out that if a monarch does live forever,
that would spare the expense of future royal coronations and funerals.

Trivia question: When and for whom was Britain's last royal funeral
(i.e. funeral of a monarch) before that of Elizabeth II?

Again I recommend Horrible Histories for lots of cool songs about lots
of history. It can be found on YouTube. Thanks mostly to their very
catchy Monarch Song I have memorized all the English/British rulers of
the past thousand-odd years, without intending to.

It's not quite filk, since I think all their tunes are original, but
they're often based on other well-known tunes. For instance compare
their "Borgia Family" song to the Addams Family TV show theme song.

Another bit of trivia I independently discovered is that Elizabeth II
ruled for more years than all the kings since the death of George III
(whom the US fought its revolution against two and half centuries ago)
put together.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

On 5/24/23 6:06 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

>> It expresses the wish each time that it will be the last time.
>> ("May the king live forever.") So far that hasn't happened.
>
> The last British king only made it to 56. But it's too soon to be
> sure that Charles III won't live forever.

It's always too soon to say he will live forever.

> It's certainly been pointed out that if a monarch does live forever,
> that would spare the expense of future royal coronations and funerals.
>
> Trivia question: When and for whom was Britain's last royal funeral
> (i.e. funeral of a monarch) before that of Elizabeth II?

I would assume George VI's funeral, around 1952. Wikipedia confirms
that's when his funeral was. I was an infant then.

>
> Again I recommend Horrible Histories for lots of cool songs about lots
> of history. It can be found on YouTube. Thanks mostly to their very
> catchy Monarch Song I have memorized all the English/British rulers of
> the past thousand-odd years, without intending to.
>
> It's not quite filk, since I think all their tunes are original, but
> they're often based on other well-known tunes. For instance compare
> their "Borgia Family" song to the Addams Family TV show theme song.

I just listened to "The Borgia Family," because of my interest in the
early modern period. Good one.

> Another bit of trivia I independently discovered is that Elizabeth II
> ruled for more years than all the kings since the death of George III
> (whom the US fought its revolution against two and half centuries ago)
> put together.

George III himself was on the throne for a long time. The US fought not
only the Revolution but the War of 1812 against him.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

In article <u4m8e0$356cl$1@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>George III himself was on the throne for a long time. The US fought not
>only the Revolution but the War of 1812 against him.

(Hal Heydt)
That period would also include the undeclared Naval war in the
Caribbeann with the US and UK on one side and the French on the
other.

On 25/05/2023 09:59, Gary McGath wrote:
> On 5/24/23 6:06 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>
>>> It expresses the wish each time that it will be the last time.
>>> ("May the king live forever.")  So far that hasn't happened.
>>
>> The last British king only made it to 56.  But it's too soon to be
>> sure that Charles III won't live forever.
>
> It's always too soon to say he will live forever.
>
>> It's certainly been pointed out that if a monarch does live forever,
>> that would spare the expense of future royal coronations and funerals.
>>
>> Trivia question:  When and for whom was Britain's last royal funeral
>> (i.e. funeral of a monarch) before that of Elizabeth II?
>
> I would assume George VI's funeral, around 1952. Wikipedia confirms
> that's when his funeral was. I was an infant then.
>
The Queen Mum, I'd reck.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
> Gary McGath wrote:
>> Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>>> The last British king only made it to 56. But it's too soon to be
>>> sure that Charles III won't live forever.

>> It's always too soon to say he will live forever.

True. But it's never too soon to say that he might. If not, maybe
his eldest son, who will likely be styled William V. Or his eldest
son's eldest son, who will likely rule as George VII before the end
of this century.

>>> Trivia question: When and for whom was Britain's last royal funeral
>>> (i.e. funeral of a monarch) before that of Elizabeth II?

>> I would assume George VI's funeral, around 1952.

Good guess, but wrong.

> The Queen Mum, I'd reck.

Elizabeth's mother was never a monarch. Neither was her husband.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

On Wed, 24 May 2023 22:06:49 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
<kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

>Trivia question: When and for whom was Britain's last royal funeral
>(i.e. funeral of a monarch) before that of Elizabeth II?

Richard III

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Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>> Trivia question: When and for whom was Britain's last royal funeral
>> (i.e. funeral of a monarch) before that of Elizabeth II?

> Richard III

Correct. After he was killed in battle at Bosworth Field in 1485, his
funeral was held -- 530 years later in 2015, after his body was found
in a car park (ObUS: parking lot).

A related bit of royal weirdness is that several British people alive
today were probably conceived in the same bed that Henry VIII was
conceived in:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/henry-viis-marriage-bed-may-have-spent-15-years-british-hotels-honeymoon-suite-180971485/
(Henry VIII was the son of the guy who defeated Richard III.)
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

On 25/05/2023 14:23, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
>> Gary McGath wrote:
>>> Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>>>> The last British king only made it to 56. But it's too soon to be
>>>> sure that Charles III won't live forever.
>
>>> It's always too soon to say he will live forever.
>
> True. But it's never too soon to say that he might. If not, maybe
> his eldest son, who will likely be styled William V. Or his eldest
> son's eldest son, who will likely rule as George VII before the end
> of this century.
>
>>>> Trivia question: When and for whom was Britain's last royal funeral
>>>> (i.e. funeral of a monarch) before that of Elizabeth II?
>
>>> I would assume George VI's funeral, around 1952.
>
> Good guess, but wrong.
>
>> The Queen Mum, I'd reck.
>
> Elizabeth's mother was never a monarch. Neither was her husband.

A Queen Regnant, no, but definitely a Monarch.

And I am sure her husband was a King Regnant, something about his
brother abdicating the throne in 1936 or thereabouts, thus ascending on
December 11th, IIRC, with the formal Coronation at Westminster Abbey on
May 12th, 1937.

I am sure it was in all the 'papers, I cannot understand how you could
have missed it!

Cheers,
Gary B-)

Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
> Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>> Elizabeth's mother was never a monarch. Neither was her husband.

> A Queen Regnant, no, but definitely a Monarch.

> And I am sure her husband was a King Regnant, something about his
> brother abdicating the throne in 1936 or thereabouts, thus ascending on
> December 11th, IIRC, with the formal Coronation at Westminster Abbey on
> May 12th, 1937.

Sorry, by "her" I meant QEII, not her mother. Prince Philip
(1921-2021) was never king.
--
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
> I just listened to "The Borgia Family," because of my interest in
> the early modern period. Good one.

I also recommend "Born to Rule," the "All New Monarch Song," "Sweet
King Richard III," and "The Wives of Henry VIII." All of those are
are mostly early modern.

>> Another bit of trivia I independently discovered is that Elizabeth II
>> ruled for more years than all the kings since the death of George III
>> (whom the US fought its revolution against two and half centuries ago)
>> put together.

Though it's a close-run thing. The kings will pull ahead on November
3rd of next year. (Unless King Charles, his son William, and *his*
son George all die before then, in which case Charlotte (currently age
8) becomes queen. Or, more likely, unless the UK votes to abolish the
monarchy.)

> George III himself was on the throne for a long time.

Right. Longer than any other British (or English) king before or
since. But shorter than either of the latest two British queens.
And the current king won't break George III's record unless he
lives to age 133. Or his mother's record unless he lives to 143.

> The US fought not only the Revolution but the War of 1812 against
> him.

Right, technically speaking. But that was during the Regency period,
so it was actually the future George IV who was prosecuting the war.

If you toss Victoria in the balance, making it a race between kings
and queens, that more than compensates for the whole of George III's
reign. I used my mad computer skills to figure out just how far back
you'd have to go for kings and queens to have ruled for an equal
amount of time since then. The answer, as of today (May 25th), is
January 16th, 1755, during the reign of George II. This date moved
back by one day per day during the whole of Elizabeth II's rule,
reaching May 2nd, 1754 when she died, and it has been moving forward
by one day per day ever since.
--
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

In article <u4ot6d$1sg$1@reader2.panix.com>,
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>> I just listened to "The Borgia Family," because of my interest in
>> the early modern period. Good one.
>
>I also recommend "Born to Rule," the "All New Monarch Song," "Sweet
>King Richard III," and "The Wives of Henry VIII." All of those are
>are mostly early modern.

Ever one was an 'enery. She wouldn't take a Willie or a Sam. No sir.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 5/25/23 8:06 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> Gary McGath<garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>> I just listened to "The Borgia Family," because of my interest in
>> the early modern period. Good one.
> I also recommend "Born to Rule," the "All New Monarch Song," "Sweet
> King Richard III," and "The Wives of Henry VIII." All of those are
> are mostly early modern.
>

The only unfortunate thing is that some of them are designated "kids'
videos," which means I can't save them to a list for future reference.
This is somehow supposed to protect children.

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On Fri, 26 May 2023 00:06:37 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
<kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

>Though it's a close-run thing. The kings will pull ahead on November
>3rd of next year. (Unless King Charles, his son William, and *his*
>son George all die before then, in which case Charlotte (currently age
>8) becomes queen. Or, more likely, unless the UK votes to abolish the
>monarchy.)

I thought that under the new inheritance law, Charlotte, being second
born, would be second in line, before George.
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Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>> (Unless King Charles, his son William, and *his* son George all
>> die before then, in which case Charlotte (currently age 8) becomes
>> queen. Or, more likely, unless the UK votes to abolish the monarchy.)

> I thought that under the new inheritance law, Charlotte, being second
> born, would be second in line, before George.

Huh? Charlotte is second born *because* George is first born. Who
did you think was William's first-born child?

So if King Charles dies, his first-born child William becomes king,
and if William dies -- before or after Charles -- William's first-born
child George becomes king. Only if all three are dead does Charlotte
become queen.

It still feels weird that all these people, except Charles, are
younger than me. I remember reading a newspaper article announcing
the birth of William, and saying that people in the county neighboring
mine -- Prince William County -- were thrilled, even though it was
named for a different British prince of that name -- in 1731. Fairfax
County, where I live, split off from it in 1742. My reading that
article feels very recent, though he's in his 40s now.
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