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 by: Bob Roman - Thu, 25 Aug 2022 19:29 UTC

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:10:22 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> The players are based on individual NBA or ABA seasons. The owner of the team
> can pick any season for any player that played at Ohio State. I don't think Herb
> had a season good enough to knock out any of the big men on this team.

Tony Campbell (1989-90 Timberwolves) at shooting guard, before Derek Anderson, and well before Bob Donham.

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 by: Bruce - Thu, 25 Aug 2022 20:33 UTC

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-4, robert...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:10:22 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > The players are based on individual NBA or ABA seasons. The owner of the team
> > can pick any season for any player that played at Ohio State. I don't think Herb
> > had a season good enough to knock out any of the big men on this team.
> Tony Campbell (1989-90 Timberwolves) at shooting guard, before Derek Anderson, and well before Bob Donham.

Campbell's eFG is is only 46.0% while Anderson's is 49.6. Campbell's FT% is 79%, Anderson's is 90%.

Campbell's usage is 29%, which is very high, so he would take away possessions from better eFG guys on the team. Anderson's usage is only 19.6%, so he take up about 1/5 of the possessions while he's in the game. Campbell also turns the ball over 50% more often than Anderson. Campbell is 3.8 TO per 48, Anderson is 2.4 TO per 48. Anderson gets an assist twice as often as Campbell, 6.1 per 48 to 3.2 per 48 for Campbell. Defenders are rated from 1 to 100, with 100 the best. Anderson is 44, Campbell is 49.

So the only things that Campbell is better at is a bit better defender, and a better offensive rebounder. It's not even very close, Anderson is a far better player in this simulation. Campbell is a ball hog who uses up a ton of possessions and is not very efficient offensively. Donham has similar numbers to Anderson, but not as good, but still better than Campbell. Donham is also a 62 defender.

Lucas has an eFG of 54.2, and Clemons is 49.5. so you don't want Campbell coming in and taking away possessions and shots from those guys as well as Havlicek. Neil Johnston's 3FG is about the same as Campbell, but he's also a huge rebounder and a 90 defender.

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 by: Bruce - Thu, 25 Aug 2022 20:55 UTC

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 4:33:50 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-4, robert...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:10:22 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > > The players are based on individual NBA or ABA seasons. The owner of the team
> > > can pick any season for any player that played at Ohio State. I don't think Herb
> > > had a season good enough to knock out any of the big men on this team.
> > Tony Campbell (1989-90 Timberwolves) at shooting guard, before Derek Anderson, and well before Bob Donham.

90 Campbell took up 2091 possessions to score 1903 points. That's .91 a possession, which is below average.

03 Anderson took up 1082 possessions to score 1057 points. That's .98 a possession, above the league average of about .93 and about 8% higher than Campbell's .91.

Campbell was a just a high scorer on a bad team, which usually means forcing shots and taking up a lot of possessions to get his points, like Mello on the Knicks. They try to beat double teams and don't pass the ball much, which leads to bad shots.

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 by: Bruce - Thu, 25 Aug 2022 20:59 UTC

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 4:55:45 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 4:33:50 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-4, robert...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:10:22 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > > > The players are based on individual NBA or ABA seasons. The owner of the team
> > > > can pick any season for any player that played at Ohio State. I don't think Herb
> > > > had a season good enough to knock out any of the big men on this team.
> > > Tony Campbell (1989-90 Timberwolves) at shooting guard, before Derek Anderson, and well before Bob Donham.
> 90 Campbell took up 2091 possessions to score 1903 points. That's .91 a possession, which is below average.
>
> 03 Anderson took up 1082 possessions to score 1057 points. That's .98 a possession, above the league average of about .93 and about 8% higher than Campbell's .91.
>
> Campbell was a just a high scorer on a bad team, which usually means forcing shots and taking up a lot of possessions to get his points, like Mello on the Knicks. They try to beat double teams and don't pass the ball much, which leads to bad shots.

Campbell took 54 threes and made just 9 of them, so 27 points on 54 possessions. .5 a pop.

Anderson took 331 threes and made 116 of them, so 348 points in 331 possessions, 1.05 a clip.

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 by: Bob Roman - Fri, 26 Aug 2022 13:43 UTC

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 4:33:50 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-4, Bob wrote:
> > Tony Campbell (1989-90 Timberwolves) at shooting guard, before Derek Anderson, and well before Bob Donham.

> Campbell's eFG is is only 46.0% while Anderson's is 49.6. Campbell's FT% is 79%, Anderson's is 90%.
>
> Campbell's usage is 29%, which is very high, so he would take away possessions from better eFG guys on the team [etc]

I respect this analysis. Nicely done.

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 by: Bruce - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 18:22 UTC

Bob, the Buckeyes just had their best win of the season:

https://www.whatifsports.com/NBA/boxscore.asp?GameID=10261863&nomenu=1&teamfee=9.95

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clearnet tor