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 by: geoff - Wed, 9 Mar 2022 20:34 UTC

On 10/03/2022 6:12 am, Norbert K wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXB1FSH9Ncs&t=904s
>

And for the benefit of those out there who may not have seen this, here
is Ritchie Castellano's version. Unfortunately quite lo-res, but the
only surviving version still out there in the 'wild' that hasn't been
stomped on ;- (

Looks like he had as much fun doing it as Paul/George/John did.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1HW411s7XH/

geoff

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On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:12:48 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXB1FSH9Ncs&t=904s
Whoa, thanks for that, Norbert. I did find it confusing when he put it all together (at the 16:54 mark). There are four, not three guitars shown. So I thought the first (gray and white Fender?) one and the red (Gibson) one that comes in next were both Paul, but they are playing at the same time, so was there overdubbing? Then George comes in with the brown Les Paul, then John with the yellow Epiphone. I guess my main question is, though Pachelli shows us Paul's parts playing only the red Gibson, when he shows the whole thing is Paul playing the gray and white Fender (if it's a Fender) as well?

In the Richie Castellano one, he does that first Paul part, which I'll call the "vamp" (then the "Love you" vocals come in over it) and then that part continues, but is not shown as the second Paul part comes in (where he's wearing a red tee shirt), followed by George and John. But Paul, who presumably is continuing the vamp riff, also joins the fun with George and John, so there must be overdubbing.

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 by: Norbert K - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 22:42 UTC

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 4:56:57 PM UTC-5, Willie Williams wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:12:48 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXB1FSH9Ncs&t=904s
> Whoa, thanks for that, Norbert. I did find it confusing when he put it all together (at the 16:54 mark). There are four, not three guitars shown. So I thought the first (gray and white Fender?) one and the red (Gibson) one that comes in next were both Paul, but they are playing at the same time, so was there overdubbing? Then George comes in with the brown Les Paul, then John with the yellow Epiphone. I guess my main question is, though Pachelli shows us Paul's parts playing only the red Gibson, when he shows the whole thing is Paul playing the gray and white Fender (if it's a Fender) as well?

Yeah, the grey Fender Telecaster is Paul (it's his song) as well. The solos were dubbed over that.

There's more on the whole thing in Geoff Emerick's book. They were debating whether George or Paul should solo over the rhythm part. Lennon noodled a bit, and said, "*I* should solo over it." Everyone sort of chuckled, but Lennon persisted a little -- and the idea of the three of them trading solos emerged.

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 by: geoff - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 23:05 UTC

On 11/03/2022 10:56 am, Willie Williams wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:12:48 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXB1FSH9Ncs&t=904s
> Whoa, thanks for that, Norbert. I did find it confusing when he put it all together (at the 16:54 mark). There are four, not three guitars shown. So I thought the first (gray and white Fender?) one and the red (Gibson) one that comes in next were both Paul, but they are playing at the same time, so was there overdubbing? Then George comes in with the brown Les Paul, then John with the yellow Epiphone. I guess my main question is, though Pachelli shows us Paul's parts playing only the red Gibson, when he shows the whole thing is Paul playing the gray and white Fender (if it's a Fender) as well?
>
> In the Richie Castellano one, he does that first Paul part, which I'll call the "vamp" (then the "Love you" vocals come in over it) and then that part continues, but is not shown as the second Paul part comes in (where he's wearing a red tee shirt), followed by George and John. But Paul, who presumably is continuing the vamp riff, also joins the fun with George and John, so there must be overdubbing.
>

Overdubbing only necessary if one player is playing different parts at
the same time !

No no problem with the not overdubbed recollection. Just separate
tracks, played live, in one take, as Emerick states.

Even if recorded to just one single track it still wouldn't imply any
overdubbing. However it would have then been very tricky to balance the
parts in mixing, if required, which is *why* it wasn't done that way. It
may have then also have required more than just the one take.

However there is a separate rhythm guitar part strummed the whole way
through the 'solo' which would have been overdubbed, or more likely the
solo(s) overdubbed onto it.

geoff

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 by: geoff - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 23:09 UTC

On 10/03/2022 10:17 am, Norbert K wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:34:15 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>> On 10/03/2022 6:12 am, Norbert K wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXB1FSH9Ncs&t=904s
>>>
>>
>> And for the benefit of those out there who may not have seen this, here
>> is Ritchie Castellano's version. Unfortunately quite lo-res, but the
>> only surviving version still out there in the 'wild' that hasn't been
>> stomped on ;- (
>>
>> Looks like he had as much fun doing it as Paul/George/John did.
>>
>> https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1HW411s7XH/
>>
>> geoff
>
> Amazing. And new to me.
>

Here's some background to the Castellano project. Sad the video is only
360p. There was an HD version once upon at time, but that (and all other
online copies at any resolution) seem to have been killed off by Apple ;- (

https://richiecastellano.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-abbey-road-video.html

geoff

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 by: geoff - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 23:56 UTC

On 12/03/2022 1:19 am, Rex Mundi wrote:
> The video is unavailable for me.h one ?

If the Castellano one it may be something in your settings or locale. I
guess it is hosted in China(?)

geoff

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 by: geoff - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 23:59 UTC

On 12/03/2022 1:37 am, Rex Mundi wrote:
> Whoops, found it at
> https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1HW411s7XH?p=1
>
> Now I'm curious about his finding Abbey Road Multitracks on youtube!

You can't - they have been blocked (by Apple presumably).

His BohRap one is there though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92wUme22vD8

geoff

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 by: geoff - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 00:14 UTC

Here's somebody else who seems to have 'noticed'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvpUri87wkI

geoff

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 by: geoff - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 00:18 UTC

On 12/03/2022 1:14 pm, geoff wrote:
> Here's somebody else who seems to have 'noticed'.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvpUri87wkI
>
> geoff
>

And somebody else: @ 05:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXcSNZud-Ag

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 by: geoff - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 00:19 UTC

On 12/03/2022 1:18 pm, geoff wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 1:14 pm, geoff wrote:
>> Here's somebody else who seems to have 'noticed'.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvpUri87wkI
>>
>> geoff
>>
>
> And somebody else: @ 05:10
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXcSNZud-Ag

Oh, and somebody else !:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cUrPsMASSE&list=RDpvpUri87wkI&start_radio=1

geoff

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 by: geoff - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 00:22 UTC

On 12/03/2022 1:19 pm, geoff wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 1:18 pm, geoff wrote:
>> On 12/03/2022 1:14 pm, geoff wrote:
>>> Here's somebody else who seems to have 'noticed'.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvpUri87wkI
>>>
>>> geoff
>>>
>>
>> And somebody else: @ 05:10
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXcSNZud-Ag
>
> Oh, and somebody else !:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cUrPsMASSE&list=RDpvpUri87wkI&start_radio=1
>
>
> geoff

I think it was Rick Beato who called Georges little lick at the end of
The End(as in this cover) something like "one of the most exquisite
phrases ever". But again, what would he know ....

geoff

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 by: geoff - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 00:25 UTC

On 12/03/2022 1:22 pm, geoff wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 1:19 pm, geoff wrote:
>> On 12/03/2022 1:18 pm, geoff wrote:
>>> On 12/03/2022 1:14 pm, geoff wrote:
>>>> Here's somebody else who seems to have 'noticed'.
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvpUri87wkI
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>
>>> And somebody else: @ 05:10
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXcSNZud-Ag
>>
>> Oh, and somebody else !:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cUrPsMASSE&list=RDpvpUri87wkI&start_radio=1
>>
>>
>> geoff
>
> I think it was Rick Beato who called Georges little lick at the end of
> The End(as in this cover) something like "one of the most exquisite
> phrases ever". But again, what would he know ....
>
> geoff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr0bUxuzYAM

geoff

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 by: Willie Williams - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 02:05 UTC

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 6:59:36 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 1:37 am, Rex Mundi wrote:
> > Whoops, found it at
> > https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1HW411s7XH?p=1
> >
> > Now I'm curious about his finding Abbey Road Multitracks on youtube!
>
> You can't - they have been blocked (by Apple presumably).
>
> His BohRap one is there though:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92wUme22vD8
>
>
> geoff
My goodness. Thanks for that.

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