There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi Neuro
Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market because with
it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the wrong amount of water in!

It suggests that Zojirushi Neuro Fuzzy model is completely different
from and better than all other rice cookers on the market.

And there is the usual ultra-conservative kriticism of the article,
saying "I have been doing rice for years in a saucepan on a log campfire
and I always get it right. It is so easy that how could anyone get it
wrong and need this super-expensive Zojirushi model?"

Leaving the krazies aside for a moment, does anyone know if what
Wirecutter describes as the Zojirushi Neuro Fuzzy foolproof method is
any different from any other company's fuzzy logic? Or, indeed, any
different from Zojirushi other or earlier Fuzzy Logic rice cookers?

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 10:45:30 -0400
Amandaa Ripanykhazov <licensedtoquill@gmail.com> wrote:

> It suggests that Zojirushi Neuro Fuzzy model is completely different
> from and better than all other rice cookers on the market.

It remains the best, is that not enough?

But there is a difference between that and one that just senses steam
release.

https://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/42301/what-are-the-benefits-of-fuzzy-logic-in-a-rice-cooker

I just purchased a Zojirushi rice cooker a couple of months ago and
can’t imagine cooking rice without it now.

Fuzzy logic in comparison to binary logic is a varying degree of a state. In binary logic an item is either true or false (on or off) but in fuzzy logic it can be in between, partially on or partially off. Instead of hard “done” state the fuzzy logic states may be “somewhat” or “nearly” done. This while cooking it could take on the meaning of” too hot”, “about right” or “not much change”. Where this comes into play in a rice cooker is when the sensor monitoring the water content reaches the critical point an ordinary cooker will just turn off the heater however, a fuzzy logic cooker will use an equation (usually derived from experimentation) to vary the temperature and optimize the amount water being absorbed and evaporated. Typically a fuzzy logic system will have multiple “critical” points and will vary the temperature during ramp up and down as well as during the cooking. Generally, different types of rice will absorb different amounts of water at different rates. The fuzzy logic circuitry will monitor the changes and adjust itself to accommodate the predetermined profile.

I guess you could say the benefit of a fuzzy logic cooker is that
someone took the time to learn the complexities of the cooking process
and characteristics of the rice then adapted the preparation process to
match the “ideal” conditions for the perfect rice.

On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi Neuro
> Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market because with
> it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the wrong amount of water in!
>
(snippage) Beats me. I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
rice. Follow the package directions and whatever you do, don't take the
lid off the pan.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
>> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi Neuro
>> Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market because with it,
>> you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the wrong amount of water in!
>>
> (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
> rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do, don't take the
> lid off the pan.
>
> Jill

This is at least the 10 thousandths time you majesty has posted about your
ability to cook rice without a rice cooker.

We get it your highness! Your majesty could boil a handfull of rat turds
and come out with perfect rice. Every time. Every fucking time.

WE GET IT YOUR MAJESTY!

On 2024-04-17 7:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
>> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi Neuro
>> Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market because with
>> it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the wrong amount of
>> water in!
>>
> (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
> rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do, don't take the
> lid off the pan.
>

I bought a rice cooker a couple years ago. I saw it sitting on a shelf
in the spare room the other day. It's been sitting there for a long
time.I only used it a couple times and it wasn't any easier to use than
a pot of water and the results weren't any better.

On 2024-04-17 6:36 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-04-17 7:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
>>> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi Neuro
>>> Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market because with
>>> it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the wrong amount of
>>> water in!
>>>
>> (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
>> rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do, don't take
>> the lid off the pan.
>>
>
> I bought a rice cooker a couple years ago. I saw it sitting on a shelf
> in the spare room the other day. It's been sitting there for a long
> time.I only used it a couple times and it wasn't any easier to use than
> a pot of water and the results weren't any better.
>
But now that you have it, you might as well use it:-)

On 4/17/2024 8:36 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-04-17 7:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
>>> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi Neuro
>>> Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market because with
>>> it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the wrong amount of
>>> water in!
>>>
>> (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
>> rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do, don't take
>> the lid off the pan.
>>
>
> I bought a rice cooker a couple years ago. I saw it sitting on a shelf
> in the spare room the other day. It's been sitting there for a long
> time.I only used it a couple times and it wasn't any easier to use than
> a pot of water and the results weren't any better.
>
IIRC, the comments from pro rice cooker fans here who own one have been
from people who cook a lot of rice and want a cooker that will keep it
held at a safe temperature throughout the day. <shrug> I don't cook
enough rice to want it to sit there in a cooker all day.

Jill

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-04-17 7:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
>>> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi Neuro
>>> Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market because with
>>> it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the wrong amount of water in!
>>>
>> (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
>> rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do, don't take the
>> lid off the pan.
>>
>
> I bought a rice cooker a couple years ago. I saw it sitting on a shelf in
> the spare room the other day. It's been sitting there for a long time.I
> only used it a couple times and it wasn't any easier to use than a pot of
> water and the results weren't any better.
>

That's what her majesty has been preaching for years!

Officer dave, it's good to know that you've had the exact same experience
as her highness. I don't know why so many people buy those worthless rice
cookers. Fools, I guess.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/17/2024 8:36 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2024-04-17 7:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
>>>> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi Neuro
>>>> Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market because with
>>>> it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the wrong amount of water
>>>> in!
>>>>
>>> (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
>>> rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do, don't take
>>> the lid off the pan.
>>>
>>
>> I bought a rice cooker a couple years ago. I saw it sitting on a shelf in
>> the spare room the other day. It's been sitting there for a long time.I
>> only used it a couple times and it wasn't any easier to use than a pot of
>> water and the results weren't any better.
>>
> IIRC, the comments from pro rice cooker fans here who own one have been
> from people who cook a lot of rice and want a cooker that will keep it held
> at a safe temperature throughout the day. <shrug>  I don't cook enough rice
> to want it to sit there in a cooker all day.
>
> Jill

Your majesty sure shrugs a lot.

Get some ben gay and rub it on your shoulders if they get sore.

On 4/17/2024 8:50 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2024-04-17 6:36 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2024-04-17 7:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
>>>> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi Neuro
>>>> Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market because
>>>> with it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the wrong amount
>>>> of water in!
>>>>
>>> (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
>>> rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do, don't take
>>> the lid off the pan.
>>>
>>
>> I bought a rice cooker a couple years ago. I saw it sitting on a shelf
>> in the spare room the other day. It's been sitting there for a long
>> time.I only used it a couple times and it wasn't any easier to use
>> than a pot of water and the results weren't any better.
>>
> But now that you have it, you might as well use it:-)

Sounds like it's just another small kitchen appliance, used a couple of
times and then forgotten. I never succumbed to buying a rice cooker
because (a) I don't eat a lot of rice and (b) I know how to cook it in a
pot on the stove. Fuzzy logic? Not required.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/17/2024 8:50 PM, Graham wrote:
>> On 2024-04-17 6:36 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-17 7:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
>>>>> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi Neuro
>>>>> Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market because with
>>>>> it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the wrong amount of
>>>>> water in!
>>>>>
>>>> (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
>>>> rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do, don't take
>>>> the lid off the pan.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I bought a rice cooker a couple years ago. I saw it sitting on a shelf
>>> in the spare room the other day. It's been sitting there for a long
>>> time.I only used it a couple times and it wasn't any easier to use than
>>> a pot of water and the results weren't any better.
>>>
>> But now that you have it, you might as well use it:-)
>
> Sounds like it's just another small kitchen appliance, used a couple of
> times and then forgotten.  I never succumbed to buying a rice cooker
> because (a) I don't eat a lot of rice and (b) I know how to cook it in a
> pot on the stove.  Fuzzy logic?  Not required.
>
> Jill

Indeed. Your majesty's logic is clear, and plain to any loyal subject. Your
highness is not a fuzzy queen. Perhaps a glabrous monarch?

On 2024-04-17 8:50 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2024-04-17 6:36 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2024-04-17 7:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
>>>> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi Neuro
>>>> Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market because
>>>> with it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the wrong amount
>>>> of water in!
>>>>
>>> (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
>>> rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do, don't take
>>> the lid off the pan.
>>>
>>
>> I bought a rice cooker a couple years ago. I saw it sitting on a shelf
>> in the spare room the other day. It's been sitting there for a long
>> time.I only used it a couple times and it wasn't any easier to use
>> than a pot of water and the results weren't any better.
>>
> But now that you have it, you might as well use it:-)

I suppose. It is in another room. It's much easier to grab a pot, put it
on a burner and make the rice in that. Truth is, I was so unimpressed
with the rice cooker I just don't even think about using it.

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 21:46:47 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-04-17 8:50 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> On 2024-04-17 6:36 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-17 7:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>
>>>> (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
>>>> rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do, don't take
>>>> the lid off the pan.
>>>
>>> I bought a rice cooker a couple years ago. I saw it sitting on a shelf
>>> in the spare room the other day. It's been sitting there for a long
>>> time.I only used it a couple times and it wasn't any easier to use
>>> than a pot of water and the results weren't any better.
>>>
>> But now that you have it, you might as well use it:-)
>
>I suppose. It is in another room. It's much easier to grab a pot, put it
>on a burner and make the rice in that. Truth is, I was so unimpressed
>with the rice cooker I just don't even think about using it.

I think RFC should do an intervention and help Jill and Dave get over
the topic of rice cookers, or they'll be going in circles, feeding off
each other forever.

On 18/04/2024 00:57, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
>> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi Neuro
>> Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market because with
>> it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the wrong amount of
>> water in!
>>
> (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
> rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do, don't take the
> lid off the pan.
>
Many years ago, we had a rice cooker. It took up a fair amount of space
on the worktop - when it died, I started doing rice in the microwave.
Perfect rice every time, it stays nice and hot until needed, and takes
up no extra space on the counter - our microwave is mounted over the
counter.

On 2024-04-18, S Viemeister wrote:

> rice [...] in the microwave. Perfect rice every time,

Agree. I always use the MV for rice. Heating goes directly
to water molecules only, thus making browning possible
only when all water within the cavity has been released.

Yhis is opposed to conduction, where burning is possible at
the bottom while still overlaid with wet rice. If you do
start browning with a MV, it occurs dispersed throughout
as a function of time-averaged standing wave loci.

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 19:57:48 -0400
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

> I've never needed a rice cooker to cook perfect
> rice.

Your estimation of perfection likely far less repeatable than fuzzy
logic's.

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 19:15:47 -0500
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Your majesty could boil a handfull of rat turds
> and come out with perfect rice. Every time. Every fucking time.
>
> WE GET IT YOUR MAJESTY!

ROTFLMFAO!

new use for rat turds, yay!

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 20:36:21 -0400
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2024-04-17 7:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
> >> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi
> >> Neuro Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market
> >> because with it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the
> >> wrong amount of water in!
> >>
> > (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook
> > perfect rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do,
> > don't take the lid off the pan.
> >
>
> I bought a rice cooker a couple years ago. I saw it sitting on a
> shelf in the spare room the other day. It's been sitting there for a
> long time.I only used it a couple times and it wasn't any easier to
> use than a pot of water and the results weren't any better.
>

Musta bought some cheapass chicom shit from The Brick then.

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 18:50:35 -0600
Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

> On 2024-04-17 6:36 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2024-04-17 7:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 4/17/2024 10:45 AM, Amandaa Ripanykhazov wrote:
> >>> There is an article in today's Wirecutter about the Zojirushi
> >>> Neuro Fuzzy, saying it is the most amazing thing on the market
> >>> because with it, you CANNOT screw up rice. Even if you put the
> >>> wrong amount of water in!
> >>>
> >> (snippage) Beats me.  I've never needed a rice cooker to cook
> >> perfect rice.  Follow the package directions and whatever you do,
> >> don't take the lid off the pan.
> >>
> >
> > I bought a rice cooker a couple years ago. I saw it sitting on a
> > shelf in the spare room the other day. It's been sitting there for
> > a long time.I only used it a couple times and it wasn't any easier
> > to use than a pot of water and the results weren't any better.
> >
> But now that you have it, you might as well use it:-)

Does it have a setting to boil your leftarded toes with?

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 21:07:32 -0400
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

> I don't cook
> enough rice to want it to sit there in a cooker all day.

I

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....rinse , lather, repeat...

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 21:26:29 -0400
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

> I never succumbed to buying a rice cooker

Honestly, not a single person gives a flying fuck, ya narcissistic
nitwit.

> Leaving the krazies aside for a moment, does anyone know if what
> Wirecutter describes as the Zojirushi Neuro Fuzzy foolproof method is
> any different from any other company's fuzzy logic?  Or, indeed, any
> different model from Zojirushi or earlier Fuzzy Logic rice cookers?

I had a suspicion that someone would respond "I have been doing rice for
years in a saucepan on a log campfire and I always get it right. It is
so easy that how could anyone get it wrong and need this super-expensive
Zojirushi model?"

Since what always goes wrong is that I put in too little or too much
water, and since this Zojirushi makes perfect rice every time however
much water is put in, does anyone know if that is a function of THIS
PARTICULAR cooker being pushed in this wirecutter review, - or is this
a function of every fuzzy logic cooker of every model of every brand?

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 21:46:47 -0400
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Truth is, I was so unimpressed
> with the rice cooker I just don't even think about using it.

Well quit buying price point junk then!

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:32:24 +0100
S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

> I started doing rice in the microwave.
> Perfect rice every time

Doubtful.

On 18 Apr 2024 13:55:18 GMT
Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

> Yhis is opposed to conduction, where burning is possible at
> the bottom while still overlaid with wet rice.

Ergo the fuzzy logic cooker is wholly superior, as reviewed and
confirmed.