On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 9:14:30 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 6:38 am, Bruce wrote:
> > Zappa auditioned some friends of mine in the 1970s, the Sparrows Quartette. He totally did not get them and tried to have them go more mainstream and starting doing popular songs like "Under The Boardwalk" and "My Girl." They told him to fuck off. These are 4 white Jews and Italians singing in a hardcore black vocal group style.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-mItJxedvU
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM1EJ8pUBkk
> I didn't realise that out of tune was a black vocal style.

You clearly know nothing about 1950s rhythm and blues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mux8F1iLCm4

On 16/04/2022 3:01 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 9:14:30 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 6:38 am, Bruce wrote:
>>> Zappa auditioned some friends of mine in the 1970s, the Sparrows Quartette. He totally did not get them and tried to have them go more mainstream and starting doing popular songs like "Under The Boardwalk" and "My Girl." They told him to fuck off. These are 4 white Jews and Italians singing in a hardcore black vocal group style.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-mItJxedvU
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM1EJ8pUBkk
>> I didn't realise that out of tune was a black vocal style.
>
> You clearly know nothing about 1950s rhythm and blues.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mux8F1iLCm4

I cannot imagine that in the 1950s rhythm and blues sung a cappella with
weak voices, and out of tune was considered to be where it was at.

geoff

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:03:54 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:

> I cannot imagine that in the 1950s rhythm and blues sung a cappella with
> weak voices, and out of tune was considered to be where it was at.

That's your problem, you can't recognize strong voices when you hear them because you are so unfamiliar with this style of music. And the "out of tune" part, if true here (I certainly don't trust your judgment) was part of the charm of this music. In the early to mid-50s the people in these groups were usually still in high school, and you were getting their pure untrained street sound, uncurbed emotions not yet ruined by whitey who did not understand this music.

Your shit taste probably would prefer this fucking lame shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJfT8IjBQc

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:03:54 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
>
> > I cannot imagine that in the 1950s rhythm and blues sung a cappella with
> > weak voices, and out of tune was considered to be where it was at.
> That's your problem, you can't recognize strong voices when you hear them because you are so unfamiliar with this style of music. And the "out of tune" part, if true here (I certainly don't trust your judgment) was part of the charm of this music. In the early to mid-50s the people in these groups were usually still in high school, and you were getting their pure untrained street sound, uncurbed emotions not yet ruined by whitey who did not understand this music.
>
> Your shit taste probably would prefer this fucking lame shit:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJfT8IjBQc

Us cognoscenti prefer this reading:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YFr-o0AhsA

On 17/04/2022 3:33 am, Bruce wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:03:54 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
>
>> I cannot imagine that in the 1950s rhythm and blues sung a cappella with
>> weak voices, and out of tune was considered to be where it was at.
>
> That's your problem, you can't recognize strong voices when you hear them because you are so unfamiliar with this style of music. And the "out of tune" part, if true here (I certainly don't trust your judgment) was part of the charm of this music. In the early to mid-50s the people in these groups were usually still in high school, and you were getting their pure untrained street sound, uncurbed emotions not yet ruined by whitey who did not understand this music.

Yep, certainly a part of music and social history. But if you cannot
hear that The Sparrows (weak voices and out of tune), and The Gazelles
9lead singer strong voice, backing less so, and all pitch-challenged)
are singing in what is musically accepted as 'in tune', then you must be
tone-deaf.

>
> Your shit taste probably would prefer this fucking lame shit:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJfT8IjBQc

That too is execrable in its own cheesy way.

Are you totally unable to stop living in the past (largely that you
didn't actually live in !) and attributing dubious values to music
simply because it is old or historical ?

geoff

On 17/04/2022 4:01 am, Bruce wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:03:54 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
>>
>>> I cannot imagine that in the 1950s rhythm and blues sung a cappella with
>>> weak voices, and out of tune was considered to be where it was at.
>> That's your problem, you can't recognize strong voices when you hear them because you are so unfamiliar with this style of music. And the "out of tune" part, if true here (I certainly don't trust your judgment) was part of the charm of this music. In the early to mid-50s the people in these groups were usually still in high school, and you were getting their pure untrained street sound, uncurbed emotions not yet ruined by whitey who did not understand this music.
>>
>> Your shit taste probably would prefer this fucking lame shit:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJfT8IjBQc
>
> Us cognoscenti prefer this reading:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YFr-o0AhsA
>
>

That The Simpsons ?

geoff

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 7:03:00 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
> On 17/04/2022 3:33 am, Bruce wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:03:54 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
> >
> >> I cannot imagine that in the 1950s rhythm and blues sung a cappella with
> >> weak voices, and out of tune was considered to be where it was at.
> >
> > That's your problem, you can't recognize strong voices when you hear them because you are so unfamiliar with this style of music. And the "out of tune" part, if true here (I certainly don't trust your judgment) was part of the charm of this music. In the early to mid-50s the people in these groups were usually still in high school, and you were getting their pure untrained street sound, uncurbed emotions not yet ruined by whitey who did not understand this music.
> Yep, certainly a part of music and social history. But if you cannot
> hear that The Sparrows (weak voices and out of tune), and The Gazelles
> 9lead singer strong voice, backing less so, and all pitch-challenged)
> are singing in what is musically accepted as 'in tune', then you must be
> tone-deaf.
> >
> > Your shit taste probably would prefer this fucking lame shit:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJfT8IjBQc
> That too is execrable in its own cheesy way.
>
> Are you totally unable to stop living in the past (largely that you
> didn't actually live in !) and attributing dubious values to music
> simply because it is old or historical ?

You talk like there's something noble about liking more modern music. I like what I like. When these things are from is just incidental. I'm happy to live currently in every other aspect of life other than music. It's not my fault that almost all of the music released in the past 35 years or so blows.

Although, here are some of the more modern recordings that I like a lot. These are ALL from the past 10 years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaF5Xv9bW1Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9bs7Gva8_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iImFUChLo8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJSDYyyPoSo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ar4dnbU-Vo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFK6EqnlKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuMokbkkJGE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJRBdLpTeso

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 7:03:53 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
> On 17/04/2022 4:01 am, Bruce wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:03:54 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
> >>
> >>> I cannot imagine that in the 1950s rhythm and blues sung a cappella with
> >>> weak voices, and out of tune was considered to be where it was at.
> >> That's your problem, you can't recognize strong voices when you hear them because you are so unfamiliar with this style of music. And the "out of tune" part, if true here (I certainly don't trust your judgment) was part of the charm of this music. In the early to mid-50s the people in these groups were usually still in high school, and you were getting their pure untrained street sound, uncurbed emotions not yet ruined by whitey who did not understand this music.
> >>
> >> Your shit taste probably would prefer this fucking lame shit:
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJfT8IjBQc
> >
> > Us cognoscenti prefer this reading:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YFr-o0AhsA
> >
> >
> That The Simpsons ?

That's some TV show, right? Never seen it.

On 17/04/2022 12:26 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 7:03:53 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
>> On 17/04/2022 4:01 am, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:03:54 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I cannot imagine that in the 1950s rhythm and blues sung a cappella with
>>>>> weak voices, and out of tune was considered to be where it was at.
>>>> That's your problem, you can't recognize strong voices when you hear them because you are so unfamiliar with this style of music. And the "out of tune" part, if true here (I certainly don't trust your judgment) was part of the charm of this music. In the early to mid-50s the people in these groups were usually still in high school, and you were getting their pure untrained street sound, uncurbed emotions not yet ruined by whitey who did not understand this music.
>>>>
>>>> Your shit taste probably would prefer this fucking lame shit:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJfT8IjBQc
>>>
>>> Us cognoscenti prefer this reading:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YFr-o0AhsA
>>>
>>>
>> That The Simpsons ?
>
> That's some TV show, right? Never seen it.
>

Cartoon with silly cheesy voices.

I've never watched it either, other than accidentally seeing snippets
like most of the western world probably has and is aware of.

geoff