In article <acdbe0c2-a9df-4b50-86a0-c7f668015291n@googlegroups.com>,
Mandryka <howie.stone01@gmail.com> wrote:
>Some details about her [ Rebecca Stewart ] new Josquin project here
>https://fr-fr.facebook.com/Secondapratica/videos/this-is-one-of-dr-rebeccas-stewarts-first-choirbooks-containing-josquins-absolve/607763179695530/

If I am reading a June comment right, there should be a new recording
soon? Of what, or where it will be released, I have no idea....

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 11:38:04 PM UTC+1, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
> In article <acdbe0c2-a9df-4b50...@googlegroups.com>,
> Mandryka <howie....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Some details about her [ Rebecca Stewart ] new Josquin project here
> >https://fr-fr.facebook.com/Secondapratica/videos/this-is-one-of-dr-rebeccas-stewarts-first-choirbooks-containing-josquins-absolve/607763179695530/
>
> If I am reading a June comment right, there should be a new recording
> soon? Of what, or where it will be released, I have no idea....

Would love to go to this, but alas, too risky

https://oudemuziek.nl/agenda/alle-concerten-20212022/fom21002-cantus-modalis-seconda-prat-ca/27-aug-utrecht-2230/

In article <ce6f3f75-88c5-4d75-a067-6f12c417cd11n@googlegroups.com>,
Mandryka <howie.stone01@gmail.com> wrote:
>https://oudemuziek.nl/agenda/alle-concerten-20212022/fom21002-cantus-modalis-seconda-prat-ca/27-aug-utrecht-2230/

The _Missa Mater patris_ should be a good piece for them....

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 4:22:37 AM UTC+1, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
> In article <ce6f3f75-88c5-4d75...@googlegroups.com>,
> Mandryka <howie....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >https://oudemuziek.nl/agenda/alle-concerten-20212022/fom21002-cantus-modalis-seconda-prat-ca/27-aug-utrecht-2230/
>
> The _Missa Mater patris_ should be a good piece for them....

Indeed, I have a recording of them doing it which I think I took from YouTube. The Tallis Scholars CD has some wonderful moments in it.

http://josquin500.com/

Rebecca Stewart, Missa Matris Patris

https://www.amazon.com/Memoria-Mea-Rebecca-Stewart/dp/B099C8F91X

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 10:43:38 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
> Rebecca Stewart, Missa Matris Patris
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Memoria-Mea-Rebecca-Stewart/dp/B099C8F91X

Have you/anyone gotten a chance to hear this yet? I wasn't sure it would ever actually appear!

In the meantime I've discovered Rebecca Stewart's / Schola Cantorum Brabantiae's Machaut Messe de Nostre Dame studio recording, quite different from the live recording you sent me a long time ago on talkclassical, really 'rhetorical' and effective in a totally different way than my other favorite school of interpretation, the Peres and Schmelzer CDs...

Looking back on my earlier comments here as Ellie Ke, a little struck by how severely one-track-minded I was regarding Stewartian modality, even if basically my enthusiasm hasn't much waned...

In article <8ca2329a-ebb6-4d5b-a75a-e19f7f4c58afn@googlegroups.com>,
cheregi <elirkerry@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 10:43:38 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
>> Rebecca Stewart, Missa Matris Patris
>Have you/anyone gotten a chance to hear this yet?

Supposedly releases in September. Carpe diem (the record label)
is on Bandcamp now, so perhaps a free & easy audition in a few
weeks....

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:41:17 AM UTC+1, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
> In article <8ca2329a-ebb6-4d5b...@googlegroups.com>,
> cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 10:43:38 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
> >> Rebecca Stewart, Missa Matris Patris
> >Have you/anyone gotten a chance to hear this yet?
> Supposedly releases in September. Carpe diem (the record label)
> is on Bandcamp now, so perhaps a free & easy audition in a few
> weeks....
A couple of mass movements are on streaming now, qobuz and spotify.

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:41:17 AM UTC+1, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
> In article <8ca2329a-ebb6-4d5b...@googlegroups.com>,
> cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 10:43:38 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
> >> Rebecca Stewart, Missa Matris Patris
> >Have you/anyone gotten a chance to hear this yet?
> Supposedly releases in September. Carpe diem (the record label)
> is on Bandcamp now, so perhaps a free & easy audition in a few
> weeks....
Now on spotify, qobuz etc.

On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 4:57:16 PM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:41:17 AM UTC+1, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
> > In article <8ca2329a-ebb6-4d5b...@googlegroups.com>,
> > cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 10:43:38 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
> > >> Rebecca Stewart, Missa Matris Patris
> > >Have you/anyone gotten a chance to hear this yet?
> > Supposedly releases in September. Carpe diem (the record label)
> > is on Bandcamp now, so perhaps a free & easy audition in a few
> > weeks....
> Now on spotify, qobuz etc.

And at almost the same time as the third of Eliane Radigue's Occam Ocean records, which strike me as very much related - what a pleasant coincidence.

This is the most hushed and static-feeling Nymphes des Bois I can remember hearing. Certainly communicates the feeling of 'In memoria'. Also though interesting to note, at the same time, more 'solidity', less 'ethereality', to the voices than in the old Cappella Pratensis recordings, I think. Presumably booklet notes would go into this, but does anyone know if the dispute over the authenticity of Missa Mater patris as a Josquin composition is entirely down to the un-Josquin-like style, or is there 'firmer' evidence?

In article <4454b057-8eb4-4ac9-ab32-aa269f9435dfn@googlegroups.com>,
cheregi <elirkerry@gmail.com> wrote:
>... does anyone know if the dispute over the authenticity of Missa
>Mater patris as a Josquin composition is entirely down to the
>un-Josquin-like style, or is there 'firmer' evidence?

It's a style argument, and at this point, I'm pretty sure it's
Josquin.

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 2:47:14 PM UTC-4, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
> In article <4454b057-8eb4-4ac9...@googlegroups.com>,
> cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >... does anyone know if the dispute over the authenticity of Missa
> >Mater patris as a Josquin composition is entirely down to the
> >un-Josquin-like style, or is there 'firmer' evidence?
> It's a style argument, and at this point, I'm pretty sure it's
> Josquin.

I continue to be in awe of how thin the basis for knowledge about history often turns out to be...

In article <e0db1c6c-9937-4777-9bfb-2c31ecc90e27n@googlegroups.com>,
cheregi <elirkerry@gmail.com> wrote:
>I continue to be in awe of how thin the basis for knowledge about
>history often turns out to be...

It's a good point, and there's something of a chicken & egg problem
in listening to Josquin, in terms of getting the scores right in
the first place, but as more & more of this music starts to sound
idiomatic in interpretation, I also start to feel a keen sense for
these dead men -- after all these decades -- and the many, many
notes they wrote. That part isn't ultimately all that thin.

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 3:43:12 PM UTC-4, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
> In article <e0db1c6c-9937-4777...@googlegroups.com>,
> cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I continue to be in awe of how thin the basis for knowledge about
> >history often turns out to be...
> It's a good point, and there's something of a chicken & egg problem
> in listening to Josquin, in terms of getting the scores right in
> the first place, but as more & more of this music starts to sound
> idiomatic in interpretation, I also start to feel a keen sense for
> these dead men -- after all these decades -- and the many, many
> notes they wrote. That part isn't ultimately all that thin.

Today I am returning to Ockeghem's songs which were at or near the beginning of my interest in medieval and renaissance music, and what you wrote feels especially poignant, that I could, whatever it means or for whatever it's worth, relate in a straightforwardly-felt way to music written down 500 years ago. And there is something the same that does come through in even very different performances of a given song. For me today it's Ma maistresse that just feels like such perfect songwriting and so distinctively Ockeghem.

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:30:59 AM UTC-4, cheregi wrote:

Anyway, has anyone else seen anything about this - https://graindelavoix.myshopify.com/products/josquin-the-undead-laments-deplorations-and-dances-of-death

So after all we are getting Graindelavoix Josquin! But of course it's not any of the usual suspects, rather it's the same posthumous greatest-hits chanson collection that Ensemble Clement Janequin just performed so compellingly, and even in a kind of vaguely Graindelavoix-y way, with the 'roughness' of the voices...

In article <90a5c427-b27f-4d24-a6a9-1f01495eb10cn@googlegroups.com>,
cheregi <elirkerry@gmail.com> wrote:
>Anyway, has anyone else seen anything about this -
>https://graindelavoix.myshopify.com/products/josquin-the-undead-laments-deplorations-and-dances-of-death

Hadn't seen it yet.... Interesting choice for Graindelavoix.

In article <sh5dqr$ev1$1@hope.eyrie.org>,
Todd M. McComb <mccomb@medieval.org> wrote:
>Hadn't seen it yet.... Interesting choice for Graindelavoix.

I really enjoyed this the second time through. Might be the release
of the anniversary year so far for me... per early impressions.

On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 2:17:53 AM UTC-4, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> In article <sh5dqr$ev1$1...@hope.eyrie.org>,
> Todd M. McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
> >Hadn't seen it yet.... Interesting choice for Graindelavoix.
> I really enjoyed this the second time through. Might be the release
> of the anniversary year so far for me... per early impressions.

Really enjoyed the two early 'singles' on the graindelavoix 'bootlegs' youtube channel, and was already thinking about how there's something extra special about the level of refinement here compared to previous graindelavoix releases, so it's vindicating to see you express a similar sentiment in your longer remarks.

Listening to Heringman’s latest Josquin, love the way he plays the silences.

On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 9:10:07 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> Listening to Heringman’s latest Josquin, love the way he plays the silences.

Now enjoying the John Potter/ Anna Maria Friman disc with Josquin and others. Secret Histories.

Profeti Della Quinta doing Mille Regretz, unfortunately not a harbinger of (yet another) Josquin songs recording but quite beautiful nonetheless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkfVzCZ68_Q

And then this prompted youtube to recommend me a recording of the same song by 'Pulse Ensemble', who seem to be new: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkzMHuIaI-c&list=PL9jU1OI3wsKK8Yr8QzLs9v4SJgUFJ6iSi&index=11

Quite a discovery, I think, much as I wish I could say it came by another route. Very distinctive, bassy sound, and in some tracks bringing also a rather unique sense of (subtle) ornamentation.